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Trilt said:
Please tell me you wouldn't be absolutely flabbergasted by me making a similar vote.

No justification beyond just decreased activity, literally a rezzer, and that's the top vote? Like, I would feel better if you just lynched me haha.
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Well who is left? Sporty is a village read to you, you now think cray is village, I don't think anyone in my group is wolf, so who does that leave?
 
Trilt said:
Please tell me you wouldn't be absolutely flabbergasted by me making a similar vote.

No justification beyond just decreased activity, literally a rezzer, and that's the top vote? Like, I would feel better if you just lynched me haha.
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I haven't read you as a wolf this entire game, but if you're confessing, f yeah I'll vote you.
 
Lupin21 said:
You know what? Go ahead and lynch me. You can't seem to move on from it, so just vote there. I did my part for village. You really think I am the last wolf, you just do that. Yup, lets assume that there are two packs and I bussed everyone except myself. Cuz I have always been about myself. Yup. that's it.
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I've never played a game with 2 packs, but IS it bussing if someone from 1 pack votes for people in the other pack? Do they even know the other pack exists?
 
Trilt said:
Why are my thoughts important here? It's your vote.
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I already had all my say. I've been suspicious of sports since day 2 or 3, but that was also contingent on Please being red, which she wasn't. So... I feel like I was tunneling there. Didn't read cray as wolf entire game either, but now I don't have reds. I have given a pass to jabs for the zenge thing, but what else has she done that is village? And as for you, again, I didn't read you as wolfy, and you mentioned something earlier that I was obtuse about something involving you, so why would I suddenly try to vote you? I am a bit fatigued here.
 
supershorty said:
I've never played a game with 2 packs, but IS it bussing if someone from 1 pack votes for people in the other pack? Do they even know the other pack exists?
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So are we assuming I have yet another wolf still lurking with me? two vs three? That's the only way it can happen. And if that's the case, please tell me who is with me.
 
Lupin21 said:
So are we assuming I have yet another wolf still lurking with me? two vs three? That's the only way it can happen. And if that's the case, please tell me who is with me.
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No, that was an actual question about multiple packs lol your post is what made me think of it
 
supershorty said:
I've never played a game with 2 packs, but IS it bussing if someone from 1 pack votes for people in the other pack? Do they even know the other pack exists?
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They may or may not be told the other pack exists, but they generally do not know who is in it, and no, imo it doesn't count as bussing if you don't know them lol.
 
Lupin21 said:
There were two packs in hunger games. But I had communication with one of them via being in the same PM group, so we all knew who the other was.
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Here’s an idea why don’t all the wolves pick someone in their group to PM to reveal they’re a wolf :naughty:
 
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So I’m going to watch a sunset over a canyon. No idea about internet service up there and sunset is at 9:30 est.
All I’ve got left is cray today flailing hasn’t felt village to me and if you all chose me to yeet today when I flip I still think she’s a good choice for tomorrow.
 
Trilt said:
Also, like, wolf pack aside, is it *really* a game designed by MJ if there isn't chaos involved somehow?
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Which is why I was concerned about mayo being seered as neutral but possibly being a red. But if he voted as he says, then I don't know if he busses like that.
 
samac said:
So I’m going to watch a sunset over a canyon. No idea about internet service up there and sunset is at 9:30 est.
All I’ve got left is cray today flailing hasn’t felt village to me and if you all chose me to yeet today when I flip I still think she’s a good choice for tomorrow.
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Can I mayyyybe interest you in an LIS flip instead to potentially gain more game information?

If he's neutral I promise I'll shut up about Lupin and just lynch Cray tomorrow, lol.
 
Trilt said:
Can I mayyyybe interest you in an LIS flip instead to potentially gain more game information?

If he's neutral I promise I'll shut up about Lupin and just lynch Cray tomorrow, lol.
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He has come off very village to me in PM. Do you think him flipping neutral is worth more than trying to get a wolf?
 
Day 9: We’re Not Finished! Not Finished! Vote Tally

samac (2) - Chaostrodon, Cray
Chaostrodon (2) - LIS, jaboo
Cray (3) - samac, mayo, Barks
Lupin ()
LIS (1) - Trilt
jaboo (1) - Lupin

9/10

Leading: @Crayola227

Missing: @supershorty

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/18/21 (~1.75 hours)

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Guys if we flip Mayo and LIS and one of them doesn't have an exclusive wincon, I'll vote myself next, and I swear to God my next D1 salt vote will be myself.
 
Trilt said:
Can I mayyyybe interest you in an LIS flip instead to potentially gain more game information?

If he's neutral I promise I'll shut up about Lupin and just lynch Cray tomorrow, lol.
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So are you the camera shutter person we've all be calling wolfy? I just don't know how LIS flipping neutral involves me at all, other than me saying I believe him in PM and he is not someone I am lynching.
 
Crayola227 said:
Guys if we flip Mayo and LIS and one of them doesn't have an exclusive wincon, I'll vote myself next, and I swear to God my next D1 salt vote will be myself.
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i don’t think mayo is going to have an exclusive wincon and I’m not willing to sacrifice 2 yeet cycles, but if you give me the same deal on one of them I’ll take it.
 
Lupin21 said:
So are you the camera shutter person we've all be calling wolfy? I just don't know how LIS flipping neutral involves me at all, other than me saying I believe him in PM and he is not someone I am lynching.
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I actually do understand the connection there because he hard defended you a couple times, and in the "reveal" post,
LetItSnow said:
With regard to 3Ps, there are at least two groups, split (obviously) 1/2. If there are more (I doubt it) I don't have any insight.

I have no idea what Mayo's role is - whether it is neutral or 3P.

I do know the other group is neutral with no wincon and thus is no threat to anyone.

Time to get that in thread, because I am super worried that whatever wolf(ves) remain they are just using the 3P thing to muddy the waters. Makes me more and more suspicious of Cray, because villagers lynching neutrals right now would be a stellar way for the wolves to whittle away at the village and win. However, it's worth noting Cray isn't <voting> 3P (at least, as best I know), which maybe brings Cray back from the edge in my mind. I do understand Cray's point with voting 3P over village, but I also think the argument about "shielding" 3P is a little overdone. To me there's a difference between specifically shielding 3P (like Cray alleges) vs saying "I think they are neutral, let's focus on wolves."

Trilt, unless Lupin is converted, your vote is bunk.
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The bolded (and a couple of other statements previously) have seemed liked hard defense of you.

So I guess I get where that's coming from, I could see reading that and others and thinking you two were a group together.
 
samac said:
i don’t think mayo is going to have an exclusive wincon and I’m not willing to sacrifice 2 yeet cycles, but if you give me the same deal on one of them I’ll take it.
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The problem is I'm not sure which has an exclusive wincon and which is true neutral if that exists. I could see an MJ game having more than one type of neutral or 3P for this very confusing reason.
 
samac said:
i don’t think mayo is going to have an exclusive wincon and I’m not willing to sacrifice 2 yeet cycles, but if you give me the same deal on one of them I’ll take it.
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Just to do the math from your own numbers by that
Currently likely 6 villages, up to 2 wolves.
that would make us 4-1 as they drop villagers at night.
 
samac said:
He has come off very village to me in PM. Do you think him flipping neutral is worth more than trying to get a wolf?
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I'm just uncomfortable with the 3+ neutral claim. We have an affiliation seer confirmed neutral in Mayo, and his thoughts, votes and claim are reasonable.

Meanwhile I basically pushed Cray based on her sketchy responses to some questioning based on LIS' sketchy sudden remembering of being attacked a couple days ago. I have other reasons to feel like she's not sketch.

I think it's hard, because yes, I usually say get the damn wolves first. But we've been TRYING to do that for several days to no avail. Maybe we need to be doing a bit of game solving looking at the others instead.
 
Trilt said:
I'm just uncomfortable with the 3+ neutral claim. We have an affiliation seer confirmed neutral in Mayo, and his thoughts, votes and claim are reasonable.

Meanwhile I basically pushed Cray based on her sketchy responses to some questioning based on LIS' sketchy sudden remembering of being attacked a couple days ago. I have other reasons to feel like she's not sketch.

I think it's hard, because yes, I usually say get the damn wolves first. But we've been TRYING to do that for several days to no avail. Maybe we need to be doing a bit of game solving looking at the others instead.
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I guess the question is, is it really that hard for you to believe LIS didn't remember being attacked? heh

Also, I am at that point were maybe we just have to think about conversion if everyone is coming off so village. Are we going to run ourselves into the ground an lose because of trying to find an original that doesn't exist? Legit question here because we all seem to have reasons that we are villagers. Minus Mayo and LIS.
 
Lupin21 said:
So are you the camera shutter person we've all be calling wolfy? I just don't know how LIS flipping neutral involves me at all, other than me saying I believe him in PM and he is not someone I am lynching.
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Yes. I am. And it's not a watcher role, and it's not wolfy, and everyone thinking it was sketchy when the wolves already had a confirmed seer AND JOAT who could track just made me roll my eyes constantly with the mods in my PM, lol.

And this feels completely obtuse. LIS has been defending you on thread, repeatedly said you weren't a wolf (including digging in his heels when I brought up lone wolf), claims 3+ neutrals, and you really think I'm not going to make the logical leap that you're perhaps more than just PM buddies?
 
supershorty said:
I actually do understand the connection there because he hard defended you a couple times, and in the "reveal" post,

The bolded (and a couple of other statements previously) have seemed liked hard defense of you.

So I guess I get where that's coming from, I could see reading that and others and thinking you two were a group together.
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meh, I've been defending my whole group. It doesn't surprise me LIS would say I'm a dumb lynch at this stage. So is chaos and samac.
 
Trilt said:
Yes. I am. And it's not a watcher role, and it's not wolfy, and everyone thinking it was sketchy when the wolves already had a confirmed seer AND JOAT who could track just made me roll my eyes constantly with the mods in my PM, lol.

And this feels completely obtuse. LIS has been defending you on thread, repeatedly said you weren't a wolf (including digging in his heels when I brought up lone wolf), claims 3+ neutrals, and you really think I'm not going to make the logical leap that you're perhaps more than just PM buddies?
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What's your thought on Chaos saying the same thing then? Why focus on LIS?
 
Trilt said:
Yes. I am. And it's not a watcher role, and it's not wolfy, and everyone thinking it was sketchy when the wolves already had a confirmed seer AND JOAT who could track just made me roll my eyes constantly with the mods in my PM, lol.

And this feels completely obtuse. LIS has been defending you on thread, repeatedly said you weren't a wolf (including digging in his heels when I brought up lone wolf), claims 3+ neutrals, and you really think I'm not going to make the logical leap that you're perhaps more than just PM buddies?
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Then go ahead and help my tired brain. What is your actual role claim so maybe we can finish this game tonight and I can rest in peace.
 
Lupin21 said:
Then go ahead and help my tired brain. What is your actual role claim so maybe we can finish this game tonight and I can rest in peace.
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Oh **** off with that. You've said yourself I'm not wolfy. You've designed enough games to realize it is borderline ridiculous to have a wolf pack with a seer, tracking JOAT and another information gathering role in what you're apparently now alleging is a 4 wolf, no conversion pack in a 26 player game.

The fact that you were accepting this role as sketchy without analyzing it's use at all is literally a reason I've been eyeballing you. It reeks of going with the flow and that's not usually how you play.
 
Lupin21 said:
I guess the question is, is it really that hard for you to believe LIS didn't remember being attacked? heh
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And honestly, no it isn't that hard lol. Except when I looked back and realized we actually talked about that part of the write-up a fair bit on thread, so it's a bit more of a sell then...
 
Trilt said:
Oh **** off with that. You've said yourself I'm not wolfy. You've designed enough games to realize it is borderline ridiculous to have a wolf pack with a seer, tracking JOAT and another information gathering role in what you're apparently now alleging is a 4 wolf, no conversion pack in a 26 player game.

The fact that you were accepting this role as sketchy without analyzing it's use at all is literally a reason I've been eyeballing you. It reeks of going with the flow and that's not usually how you play.
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I'm not going with the flow. The pattern seemed to fit well enough. And look how much crazy **** there is in this game. I don't know what all roles are out there and how balanced it is. I do know that there seems to be a lot of protection in the game, so why not have overpowered wolves but not as many? Or, like I said, what if Mayo is not actually neutral? There are so many what ifs in this size game. You are being so pushy and weird right now. You know I am a veterinarian like you and have some crazy days that means I don't get to play like I used to, right?
 
Lupin21 said:
I'm not going with the flow. The pattern seemed to fit well enough. And look how much crazy **** there is in this game. I don't know what all roles are out there and how balanced it is. I do know that there seems to be a lot of protection in the game, so why not have overpowered wolves but not as many? Or, like I said, what if Mayo is not actually neutral? There are so many what ifs in this size game. You are being so pushy and weird right now. You know I am a veterinarian like you and have some crazy days that means I don't get to play like I used to, right?
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I don't have the spreadsheets, I am skimming and reacting in real time, and gorramit, I was extremely happy with myself with how well I actually have done in this game considering the last time I played is not even in my memory banks. You do better and get gud. I already did my part.
 
Lupin21 said:
I'm not going with the flow. The pattern seemed to fit well enough. And look how much crazy **** there is in this game. I don't know what all roles are out there and how balanced it is. I do know that there seems to be a lot of protection in the game, so why not have overpowered wolves but not as many? Or, like I said, what if Mayo is not actually neutral? There are so many what ifs in this size game. You are being so pushy and weird right now. You know I am a veterinarian like you and have some crazy days that means I don't get to play like I used to, right?
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I'm being pushy and weird because you literally just voted for the village rezzer who called out a wolf before he was seered on thread instead of actually contributing to a lynch. And you just made someone you've been village leaning out their PR on the main thread.

So are you holding onto your vote for if things get close and you need to swing it, or are you just that checked out and exasperated?
 
Trilt said:
I'm being pushy and weird because you literally just voted for the village rezzer who called out a wolf before he was seered on thread instead of actually contributing to a lynch. And you just made someone you've been village leaning out their PR on the main thread.

So are you holding onto your vote for if things get close and you need to swing it, or are you just that checked out and exasperated?
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Who is the wolf? You tell me. You don't think it is cray, and your vote is on someone I personally know is not a wolf. If it is a convert, maybe I am spot on. How do you know? Don't get so judgmental when you don't actually know the state of the game.
 
I have been handwaving a lot of things aside because I know you're busy, and yeah, I'm a vet too and understand that you can't be here as much as when we played in school. But when I literally say "what the ****" out loud, you've officially made a weird ass move lol.
 
Lupin21 said:
Who is the wolf? You tell me. You don't think it is cray, and your vote is on someone I personally know is not a wolf. If it is a convert, maybe I am spot on. How do you know? Don't get so judgmental when you don't actually know the state of the game.
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It's true. She could be a convert. I accept that, but it still felt like an out of left field lynch.

And you're so adamant about LIS not being a wolf, but at the same time are questioning why I'm lumping you two together and questioning the neutral claim. You can't have your cake and eat it too, lol.
 
kaydubs said:
Day 9: We’re Not Finished! Not Finished! Vote Tally

samac (2) - Chaostrodon, Cray
Chaostrodon (2) - LIS, jaboo
Cray (3) - samac, mayo, Barks
Lupin ()
LIS (1) - Trilt
jaboo (1) - Lupin

9/10

Leading: @Crayola227

Missing: @supershorty

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/18/21 (~1.75 hours)

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Chaos is my other top wolf read, so moving there for self prez 1 hr 20 min to end game doesn't feel too soon or violate conventions on self prezzing.

##### unyeet Samac #####
#### yeet Chaos ####

I want to give time for defense and the tie to be broken appropriately.
 
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