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[Trilt]

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it gets better when village feels like we're winning. worse when we're clueless.

I've seen several people talking about people bitching about fluff and minimal of that actually happening. There's been plenty memes and random other conversation...

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is pack theorizing like this a big thing nowadays?

And is anyone ever really right when guessing coherent packs? I totally understand saying things don't look w/w or look v/v or whatever, but I feel like you're sure assuming a lot of your own wolf hunting abilities when you're anywhere near thinking you've got multiple members correct...

For me, the w/w, w/v, and v/v is pack theorizing. I don't expect people to pull a bunch of names out of a hat, but saying everyone could be wolves with everyone isn't very helpful.

 

[Crayola227]

Is pack theorizing like this a big thing nowadays?

And is anyone ever really right when guessing coherent packs? I totally understand saying things don't look w/w or look v/v or whatever, but I feel like you're sure assuming a lot of your own wolf hunting abilities when you're anywhere near thinking you've got multiple members correct...

Yeah it's a new thing, and I hate it. I think it's awful and helps people fall for lots of wolf wifom on who's what Af.

 

[holdthemayo]

Do you think cyndias/AM is W/W?

I did yesterday. They both still seem wolfy. But it seems more likely to be w/v based on voting what I've caught up on today.

 

[Crayola227]

W

I'm assuming it's all powerwolfing, same pack, so i'm looking at W/W interactions

Why are you making these assumptions?

 

[Lawpy]

W
Why are you making these assumptions?

To simplify the thought process since bussing complicates things

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3 Trouble! Trouble Everywhere! Vote Tally

katashark (1) - pawprints
Viscernable (5) - Cray, Dina, genny, Trilt, AM
Cyndia (1) - Sporty
alleycat (4) - Lupin, Lawpy, Barks, LIS
mkg ()
Chaostrodon ()
mayo ()
LIS (1) - Chaostrodon
pawprintsandponytails (1) - Cyndia
AM (3) - supershorty, mayo, Viscernable

16/22

Winning: @Viscernable

Missing: @vetschoolsletmeinplease @alleycat03 @mkg323 @katashark @jaboo @Ms Procrastinator

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/6/21 (~1.25 hours)

 

[alleycat03]

I ISOed alley and my two general feelings are that she mentions being behind on reading the thread a lot and that she does a lot of hedging and it felt like she talked a lot about MsP and how peo. I also find it kinda interesting that each time she posts a chart of reads that the notes completely change and also that the notes say nothing about how she’s reading the person

Her original “read” on zenge. Doesn’t really say much.

Apparently when you try to quote the chart it gets messed up. Anyway, her first chart from D1 had a lot of comments about what other people thought of zenge

The spreadsheet is just how I keep track of interactions between all of the players. I got behind fairly quick, but I believe strongly that the village deserves to have my thoughts and views and reads as much as possible, so I kept you all updated as I was reading and catching up. There was a lot of discussion about Z and several people thought he was wolfy, so he was mentioned very frequently in my spreadsheet. It also had a lot of comments about April, Alissa, Lawpy, MsP, and AM too, not just Z. Any interaction I thought was relevant, I included. Z was talked about a lot, so that is why his name popped up a ton.

Her second reads chart didn’t mention zenge at all beyond his own line. Then in the third one there were more comments about what others thought of him.

Same as above

Again, I just included interactions and anything that seemed relevant to me in the pages between the last time I posted and my most recent update.

then there was this unexplained Alissa vote an hour before yeet close


This was the most explaining of the vote that I saw from D1 that she posted right after the vote. Again, it’s just comments on things that had happened and is not clear why she was even voting for her

And then a day later came back with this for the reasoning.

alleycat03 said:
I don't think it was villagey at all. This is why Alissa got my vote last night. Her vote switch was weird. Her defense of the vote switch was wolfy. Clearly I was mistaken, but that is why I voted for her. I know I was absent at yeet close because of the roommate meeting, so I wanted to explain why I voted for Alissa and clarify my reasoning.

So overall I’m really wondering about the focus on zenge and why he showed up in so many comments about other people when she didn’t seem to be wolf reading him at all? From what I remember of D1 there really wasn’t that much focus on him overall so weird to take so much note of it.

I have explained numerous times why I voted for Alissa. A TON of stuff happened after I voted on D1 and I had to leave, so I was just trying to vote my top wolf read, and I explained here why she was a wolf candidate ( taken from my D1 reads spreadsheet in the quoted post below this):

Alissa

Wolfy

Switched vote off of AM very quickly, why even vote for her in the first place? Very hedgy and defensive of her vote

Current Reads:

Lawpy	Lean village	questioning and joking around, he seems very chill (but I haven't seen him wolf yet hmm)
Alissa	Wolfy	Switched vote off of AM very quickly, why even vote for her in the first place? Very hedgy and defensive of her vote
Z	lean wolf	Not a fan of the switch to MsP but I get the logic behind it. Got defensive though, and was very adamant about the nature of his pressure vote.
pleasy	lean village	tone seems genuine, but her overexplanation pings wolfy to me
AM	lean wolf	Overly defensive, misremembering, not questioning as much as usual
Shorty	lean village	I find myself agreeing a lot with her reads, she is also contributing to wolf-hunting and has a large thread presence that appears pro-village
Cray	lean village	lots and lots of posts, has not been shy about sharing her thoughts substantially, which is typical of her as a villager.

 

[genny]

if some of the missing people would vote, that would be really nice.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Pleasy- Their reads list is off to me. Everyone is saying that they couldn’t possibly be wolf because of vis’s vote. I still think they tried to get the least powerful (PR wise) wolf yeeted because there were three of them in danger before the zenge reveal. Their reads list doesn’t help me read them any less wolf. Why doesn’t vis even make the reads list? I’m cool with dying in this tinfoil.

Kata- Barely posts.Posts don’t really have that much substance, Seems to not be on thread much and in danger of not meeting minimum

Sporty- Put zenge closer to being yeeted day 1. She was on both zenge and visc thursday. Her vis vote (before zenge reveal) doesn’t fit in with my pleasy/vis/zenge theory. She couldn’t be a part of the pack. Her votes are looking good so far.

Both vis and alley reacted weirdly to the zenge reveal, but I want vis flipped more Yeet Visc

 

[jaboo]

Because jaboo first voted Z, I assume. I wouldn’t say she’s CLEARED so much that it’s super surprising she wasn’t killed, especially when Dina is actually cleared, but you could easily argue that since Dina is the obvious protection choice that jaboo would be the obvious kill choice

Thank you for explaining this better than I could have!

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Within each category, people are alphabetized. I have 3 categories of village and woof, from I'm so sure I could put money on it, to I'm pretty sure, to lean.
A couple of policy things I did:
Those who were NOT on Z at close were all moved down 1+ peg (down is towards hellfire red)
Those who were on the Z vote BEFORE reveal were moved to at least medium green.
Those who moved to the Z vote AFTER the reveal either remained in their reads or moved down 1 peg.

Spoiler: my villig

Darkest green; they're a villager i just know it and if they're not im never trusting anything again
Dina- village seer+ i've been reading her village the whole game pretty much
Shorty- reading her village before for how i feel her tone is with her analyses, and then being on z before the reveal cleared her the rest of the way

Medium Green; This category is SLIGHTLY below the one above.
Cray- I've been very sure of my village read of her the whole game, but anyone who wasn't on z at close just got moved down a peg.
Jaboo- cleared for the z vote and the tone sounds overall provillage (moved from a village lean)
Mayo- cleared for the Z vote
Snow- cleared from my "not w/w" list I keep

Light green- varying levels of further away from the reads and fo shos
barkley- i felt p2968 had some really good analyses and took work to do. reads genuine wolf hunting to me.
genny- voted Z two days in a row
lawpy-tone has remained village to me
trilt-kinda similar to bark's lean, p3067 seems genuine wolfhunting to me
visc- p2636 seems really genuine to me. the giant VCA is good wolfhunting and really critical thinking imo

Spoiler: neutrals

Neutrals/I'm confused- this is a varied category and everyone is here for different reasons.

Alley- a lot of people made good point on her, and then her defense also made sense to me. she was headin for the wolf leans until she came on and defended herself in a way that read genuine. As much as I hate to misyeet, I think a flip on her could be valuable.
Chaos- I think there's merit to shorty's point about playing the noob card too often. I'm pretty confused about chaos, there have also been points made against them throughout the game that I agree with, but then my own interpretation of their posts is genuine provillage.
Cyndia-she evades my ability read her
lupin - same.
mkg- pretty far down the alissa wagon, after the z reveal move. wanna hear what they say tomorrow
sporty- moved up from a medium orange from voting z two days in a row

Spoiler: i 'on' like the look of em

So here's the thing. I only have sunset orange, wolf LEANS right now. I'm not straight up wolf readin anyone, even after my catchup.
AM- Ok here's the thing. MULTIPLE people have said the tone is off and I agree. I can't shake that something's not right here. I feel like she's been more abrasive with some people and less abrasive than I'd expect with others and idk if that's AI but it gives me a funny feeling.
kata- still here from when all low posters were moved down to orange.
MsP-still here from when all low posters were moved down to orange
ponytails-still here from when all low posters were moved down to orange. I also don't feel great about some of the inconsistencies that have been pointed out in her spreadsheet but I don't think those are exactly damning

 

[katashark]

###########
Vote vis
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[katashark]

I'm convinced after yesterday still that vis is a wolf. so, i'm placing my vote there.

 

[katashark]

Do you think cyndias/AM is W/W?

I know you aren't asking me, but I don't. I think either V/V or W/V.

 

[Animal Midwife]

This is why Vis is in your village reads @vetschoolsletmeinplease?

I know my vote on please when Z, please, and I were tied, right before a Z vote became inevitable, looks terrible. If anyone else did that, they would be my top wolf read by far.

I don't think I have any strong defense since I haven't really been keeping up or playing well, which unfortunately makes it likely that I'll be misyeeted today, and whether village or wolf I don't usually directly defend myself. As a wolf I try to get village-read by appearing to respond to suspicion with working harder to wolfhunt instead of defensiveness, and as a villager I take the same strategy, both for the same reason (defensiveness is often counterproductive and just makes people more suspicious) and because I'm trying to get as much wolfhunting done as possible before I go.

This situation feels like the time to directly defend myself, though, because there's lots of time left to do so while also wolfhunting (previous misyeets have happened really fast for me), and because I don't know that my wolfhunting will be strong enough to speak for itself when I've skimmed the thread so much. I'm my own innocent child and don't intend to let myself get misyeeted, so I'm going to fight this.

 

[Lawpy]

I know you aren't asking me, but I don't. I think either V/V or W/V.

How are you reading mayos?

 

[katashark]

How are you reading mayos?

village lean

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

This is why Vis is in your village reads @vetschoolsletmeinplease?

That, combined with the VCA, like i said. i didn't say it was that post alone.

 

[Lawpy]

village lean

I know you aren't asking me, but I don't. I think either V/V or W/V.

Who is wolfier: AM or cyndias and why?

 

[pawprintsandponytails]

************** Unyeet kata
Yeet vis *************

 

[Barkley13]

This is why Vis is in your village reads @vetschoolsletmeinplease?

The best defense is no defense? 😛

 

[Lawpy]

Whoa the vissy wagon is picking up speed!

 

[Lawpy]

Votecount pls!

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Spoiler: My beautiful bread baby is ready for the oven

 

[Animal Midwife]

Within each category, people are alphabetized. I have 3 categories of village and woof, from I'm so sure I could put money on it, to I'm pretty sure, to lean.
A couple of policy things I did:
Those who were NOT on Z at close were all moved down 1+ peg (down is towards hellfire red)
Those who were on the Z vote BEFORE reveal were moved to at least medium green.
Those who moved to the Z vote AFTER the reveal either remained in their reads or moved down 1 peg.

Spoiler: my villig

Darkest green; they're a villager i just know it and if they're not im never trusting anything again
Dina- village seer+ i've been reading her village the whole game pretty much
Shorty- reading her village before for how i feel her tone is with her analyses, and then being on z before the reveal cleared her the rest of the way

Medium Green; This category is SLIGHTLY below the one above.
Cray- I've been very sure of my village read of her the whole game, but anyone who wasn't on z at close just got moved down a peg.
Jaboo- cleared for the z vote and the tone sounds overall provillage (moved from a village lean)
Mayo- cleared for the Z vote
Snow- cleared from my "not w/w" list I keep

Light green- varying levels of further away from the reads and fo shos
barkley- i felt p2968 had some really good analyses and took work to do. reads genuine wolf hunting to me.
genny- voted Z two days in a row
lawpy-tone has remained village to me
trilt-kinda similar to bark's lean, p3067 seems genuine wolfhunting to me
visc- p2636 seems really genuine to me. the giant VCA is good wolfhunting and really critical thinking imo

Spoiler: neutrals

Neutrals/I'm confused- this is a varied category and everyone is here for different reasons.

Alley- a lot of people made good point on her, and then her defense also made sense to me. she was headin for the wolf leans until she came on and defended herself in a way that read genuine. As much as I hate to misyeet, I think a flip on her could be valuable.
Chaos- I think there's merit to shorty's point about playing the noob card too often. I'm pretty confused about chaos, there have also been points made against them throughout the game that I agree with, but then my own interpretation of their posts is genuine provillage.
Cyndia-she evades my ability read her
lupin - same.
mkg- pretty far down the alissa wagon, after the z reveal move. wanna hear what they say tomorrow
sporty- moved up from a medium orange from voting z two days in a row

Spoiler: i 'on' like the look of em

So here's the thing. I only have sunset orange, wolf LEANS right now. I'm not straight up wolf readin anyone, even after my catchup.
AM- Ok here's the thing. MULTIPLE people have said the tone is off and I agree. I can't shake that something's not right here. I feel like she's been more abrasive with some people and less abrasive than I'd expect with others and idk if that's AI but it gives me a funny feeling.
kata- still here from when all low posters were moved down to orange.
MsP-still here from when all low posters were moved down to orange
ponytails-still here from when all low posters were moved down to orange. I also don't feel great about some of the inconsistencies that have been pointed out in her spreadsheet but I don't think those are exactly damning

Why is genny lower than shorty when she was on Zenge twice before the reveal? Also, why is jboo lower than shorty when she was on him most consistently and the longest?

Also, is this "vote Zenge requirement" factoring in loud actions that Dina mentioned?

 

[Barkley13]

************** Unyeet kata
Yeet vis *************

Why? I haven’t been able to find any current mentions of vis from you

 

[Lawpy]

Lets try something out:

unyeet alleys
yeet AM

 

[Animal Midwife]

That, combined with the VCA, like i said. i didn't say it was that post alone.

What VCA? The recent post that was concentrated on the last two hours of yesterday?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm convinced after yesterday still that vis is a wolf. so, i'm placing my vote there.

Do you have other wolf reads?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

What VCA? The recent post that was concentrated on the last two hours of yesterday?

The long string of posts that I felt really considered things in a critical light and did a lot of leg work on their own, yes
It's now the weekend. I buy that v has more time now and it's showing

 

[alleycat03]

So are Mayo and Shorty both post restricted?? I'm very confused with their gifs posting and I haven't gotten a clear answer so far in my reading.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

So are Mayo and Shorty both post restricted?? I'm very confused with their gifs posting and I haven't gotten a clear answer so far in my reading.

shorty cant say workds, it looks like mkg cannot post at all

 

[Animal Midwife]

************** Unyeet kata
Yeet vis *************

What made you switch?

 

[supershorty]

So are Mayo and Shorty both post restricted?? I'm very confused with their gifs posting and I haven't gotten a clear answer so far in my reading.

Spoiler

 

[Dinashadow]

Lets try something out:

unyeet alleys
yeet AM

wait, why? I'd go cyndia before AM

 

[jaboo]

I don't have time to do a spreadsheet. So I'm winging it. Yanno?

Me, the entirety of playing WW.

 

[jaboo]

I like Cray’s thought that a post restriction could be a consequence of a blocked kill. MKG is high up on my POE right now because of that.

 

[Lawpy]

wait, why? I'd go cyndia before AM

I'm not happy how fast the vissy wagon went when AM broke the vissy-alleys tie by voting vissy

 

[jaboo]

Cyndia has been giving me odd vibes since I joined, so I’m happy to vote there. But it’s not based on much other than feels.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Why is genny lower than shorty when she was on Zenge twice before the reveal? Also, why is jboo lower than shorty when she was on him most consistently and the longest?

Also, is this "vote Zenge requirement" factoring in loud actions that Dina mentioned?

genny and jboo are both lower than shorty bc shorty was one of my strongest village reads already, before the zenge vote. The other two weren't
no it's not factoring in loud actions. I know it's lazy but it gets too twisty for my brain to process. If I try to factor that in imma get a bunch of schools is hedgey flags and i dont want that

 

[Viscernable]

Whoa the vissy wagon is picking up speed!

I’m sure wolves are bussing the hell out of me when they just lost their seer and had no successful kill last night, though. That makes perfect sense. 😒

 

[supershorty]

I like Cray’s thought that a post restriction could be a consequence of a blocked kill. MKG is high up on my POE right now because of that.

Spoiler

In case shorty's gifs weren't clear. There's a separate issue that genny (who was PMing mkg) said that she thought mkg was silenced based on something mkg said in PM and it sounded like it was from an item.

 

[holdthemayo]

So are Mayo and Shorty both post restricted?? I'm very confused with their gifs posting and I haven't gotten a clear answer so far in my reading.

Scabby on my knee.
Scabby on my knee.
Scabby on my knee.
Scabby on my knee.
Scabby on my knee.
Scabby on my knee.
Scabby - Scabby on my knee!
Scabby on my knee!
Chocolates is better than grapes!

 

[Viscernable]

************** Unyeet kata
Yeet vis *************

Ah, voting with who you were “wolfreading”. When they voted with minimal explanation. Excellent.

 

[Animal Midwife]

genny and jboo are both lower than shorty bc shorty was one of my strongest village reads already, before the zenge vote. The other two weren't

Okay, but don't you think current realities should matter more than past feelings?

no it's not factoring in loud actions. I know it's lazy but it gets too twisty for my brain to process. If I try to factor that in imma get a bunch of schools is hedgey flags and i dont want that

Why is it lazy to factor in a confirmed mechanic?

 

[Lawpy]

Ouch a cray sad react 🙁

 

[jaboo]

Spoiler

Do you trust genny’s claim though?

 

[genny]

I’m sure wolves are bussing the hell out of me when they just lost their seer and had no successful kill last night, though. That makes perfect sense. 😒

so who are the wolves taking advantage and voting for you?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Why is it lazy to factor in a confirmed mechanic?

i didn't say that. I said i know it's lazy of me not to.