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[Animal Midwife]

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What do people think of MsP , I pointed out Msp-Zenge interactions could be w/w , and I find that Msp-alley interactions have been pretty similiar

I've actually been leaning her more village since the increased activity has allowed me to get inside her head more. Despite not voting there, she was one of the people who mentioned alley being sketchy on D3. I'll have to double-check the timing, but didn't feel w/w at the time.

 

[Animal Midwife]

hi y'all long school day
so a couple of thoughts;

chaos' at yeet vote is kinda bothering me, esp followed up by all of the questions after yeet abt how tie works. it reminded me of what shorty said about her playing up the noob card in the noob game to skate by as a wolf. the issue is after looking at their interactions, i can't really see him w/w with zenge. I haven't looked at his alley interactions though.

hi samac! im sorry you're in the hot seat bc of a low poster. you remain in my POE.

also based off of their interactions i really don't see cyndia, z and alley being w/w/w. now her behavior alone didn't skootch her into village reads, but i have a light village lean after looking at those interactions bc they just don't read like a pack to me. and now that we know there's at least 1 neutral, i agree that i don't think multiple packs are likely. I guess it doesn't RO lone wolf though. and then i didn't notice it until samac pointed it out, but i guess it is a little odd that her most active day was her gif day. it's an easy day to look like you're making a lot of effort to communicate w the village. Idk how to feel about cyndia, in summary lol

Are you still going to finish the comparisons with the rest of the roster?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Are you still going to finish the comparisons with the rest of the roster?

I'm certainly gonna try, jaboo's up next. (samac got moved down to above shorty im very sorry i have to do alphabetical) but we're in week 10 of a 10 week quarter and my grade in cell bio isn't looking too hot. im gonna go do jaboo rn though

 

[Animal Midwife]

I hope Lawpy didn't get so wrapped up in his tinfoils that he smoked one of those cigarettes.

 

[Barkley13]

Of the three who were tied last night, who reached the most votes first?

 

[supershorty]

Of the three who were tied last night, who reached the most votes first?

katashark was the first one to reach 6 when I moved off Cray. Before that, they were all at 5.

Then chaos voted alley which put her at 6. Then cray's vote showed up, putting alley at 7. Then chaos unvoted alley and voted Cray 3 minutes to yeet close, putting alley back at 6 and cray at 5. Then alley voted Cray to put her at 6 too.

Those are the votes that counted. I didn't include chaos' one that was too late.

Spoiler: Tallies etc.

Day 4 Smoke and Mirrors Vote Tally

katashark (5) - Lawpy, LIS, Trilt, pawprints, jaboo
Cyndia ()
alleycat (5) - Lupin, genny, MsP, Cyndia, vetschoolsplz
AM ()
pawprints&ponytails ()
vetschoolsplz ()
Cray (5) - supershorty, Dina, Barks, AM, mayo

15/19

winning: @Crayola227 & @alleycat03 & @katashark

Missing: @Crayola227 @katashark @alleycat03 @Chaostrodon

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/8/21 (10 minutes)

Unyeet Cray
Yeet katashark

At least Cray is making an effort to let us know she's there.

vote alleycat.

Havent read **** . just voting based on which wagon I like the people on

Day 4 Smoke and Mirrors Vote Tally

katashark (6) - Lawpy, LIS, Trilt, pawprints, jaboo, shorty
Cyndia ()
alleycat (7) - Lupin, genny, MsP, Cyndia, vetschoolsplz, chaos, cray
AM ()
pawprints&ponytails ()
vetschoolsplz ()
Cray (4) - Dina, Barks, AM, mayo

17/19

winning: @alleycat03

Missing: @katashark @alleycat03

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/8/21 (5 minutes)

yes , exactly what I thought

unvote alley , vote Cray

Day 4 Smoke and Mirrors Vote Tally

katashark (6) - Lawpy, LIS, Trilt, pawprints, jaboo, shorty
Cyndia ()
alleycat (6) - Lupin, genny, MsP, Cyndia, vetschoolsplz, cray
AM ()
pawprints&ponytails ()
vetschoolsplz ()
Cray (6) - Dina, Barks, AM, mayo, chaos, alley

18/19

winning: @alleycat03
@Crayola227 @katashark
Missing: @katashark

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/8/21 (2 minutes)

 

[Barkley13]

katashark was the first one to reach 6 when I moved off Cray. Before that, they were all at 5.

Then chaos voted alley which put her at 6. Then cray's vote showed up, putting alley at 7. Then chaos unvoted alley and voted Cray 3 minutes to yeet close, putting alley back at 6 and cray at 5. Then alley voted Cray to put her at 6 too.

Those are the votes that counted. I didn't include chaos' one that was too late.

Hmm okay maybe not then. I was thinking of this post:

In case of a 3 way tie , the person who got first to the max number of votes is getting out , right? Thats how we play

And wonder if it made sense to think that he attempted switched to alley because he thought she was going to die anyway so wanted the credit for voting there

 

[supershorty]

katashark was the first one to reach 6 when I moved off Cray. Before that, they were all at 5.

Then chaos voted alley which put her at 6. Then cray's vote showed up, putting alley at 7. Then chaos unvoted alley and voted Cray 3 minutes to yeet close, putting alley back at 6 and cray at 5. Then alley voted Cray to put her at 6 too.

Those are the votes that counted. I didn't include chaos' one that was too late.

Jaboo already mentioned this, but looking at the vote progression again makes me really wonder about this point that Trilt made about alley:

She could have pushed the lynch to kata at that point (7 votes), and avoided the risk for herself. Why didn't she?

^This is something I think is worth re-visiting. She in this quote refers to alley.

I can see 3 options: protecting kata, not seeing the tally before submitting her vote, or trying to take out 2 villagers with her in the event that all 3 died in the tie.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hmm okay maybe not then. I was thinking of this post:

And wonder if it made sense to think that he attempted switched to alley because he thought she was going to die anyway so wanted the credit for voting there

Why switch off in the first place then?

 

[Barkley13]

Why switch off in the first place then?

Yeah... I had to look at the vote progression again to see that that thought didn’t make sense

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

so i have to start out jaboo's iso of interactions as lainey bc duh so here we gooooo

Spoiler: Day 1 as lainey

@Trilt @SportPonies @Viscernable @LaineyLou @LetItSnow @katashark

Have all been completely absent so far.

zenge tagging lainey in a long list, dont mean nothin for interactions

I kind of like how this spreadsheet pasted into here. Trying a slightly different approach from Sunny's screenshots. If somebody doesn't have a comment, either they haven't said much or I didn't remember them posting anything of substance.

lainey's column is absent but that's bc mia

Okay, I have a random tinfoil based on my knowledge of Bioshock, but if it doesn’t work don’t read too much into it.

@LaineyLou Would you kindly join us on the thread?

this was a bioshock thing and to me i don't think this would be w/w, bc this could have been done in the wolf chat? not enough to clear but enough to note

SWITCH TO JABOO

Spoiler: Day 1/night 1 as jaboo

Didn’t want to mention this until after write-up, but Zenge was lurking at close. Saw them like something and now I can’t find the post they liked.

d1 will include n1 oh whale
this is some shade throwing for something kinda weird

Ummmm I think most of the roster was here...?

the response to that

And you jumped on the bandwagon immediately after to stoke the flames.

response to that

When the majority of the roster is here at yeet close, why do you think calling me out for also being here, and using sketchy associated words like “lurking” isn’t an attack? Please be as specific as possible because I don’t honestly believe you can’t understand that.

I also can’t believe that you don’t think adding to that comment and saying I’ve been “giving you bad vibes all game” isn’t adding fuel to the fire. Explain to me why you think that your comment isn’t an escalating one.

this seems like an overreaction to me. this COULD be manufactured bc it just seems like weird to me and it culminated to:

Contingency yeet Zenge

I like the pressure there, I’ll stick with it until I have compelling evidence elsewhere.

Jaboo, I’d like you to explain this comment you made:

When the majority of the roster is online at yeet close, why did you feel the need to single me out for also being here, and specifically to throw shade on me by intentionally using negative language like lurking?

Because you showed evidence of reading and reacting to thread but had not posted recently. I’ve done that plenty a time as a wolf. Keep in mind that my definition of “recently” may be subjective given the sheer mass of people that were posting.

the final comment by jaboo seems way too on the nose bad sus to be w/w tbh but for fun i wont RO quite yet
so this would be BEFORE wolves knew about z getting seerd. I think it'll be interesting to read this going into d2 bc if jaboo is a wolf, and knows about z being seerd, they cant move off of z without lookin real fishy. this is put down as a pressure vote, which are votes that move more than like real votes, so seeing this play out will be interesting.

Yes I was here. I’d posted less than an hour before close. I didn’t really feel like there was anything more I needed to add about why I was voting where I was.

Do you believe I was the only player who was here and not posting? Or are you willing to admit there were other players here who were also not actively posting?



So basically you’re hedging this now.

Oh I think it’s very possible. You’re just the one that came up on my radar.

No, I’m not hedging. I’m putting my reasoning in context of someone who had joined the game an hour before close and was trying her best to make informed decisions with very little time and info.

this is seeming more genuine frustration from z to me

Spoiler: Day 2

I still don’t understand how you could see what Jaboo did as anything other than an attack trying to throw shade on me. Like, yes, I was here at yeet close, with everyone else. I was eating dinner, and I didn’t feel like I had a lot to contribute. It was hard enough just to stay up to date with how fast the thread was expanding. But it was only me who was singled out for being here and “lurking in the shadows” That’s an attack.

this also seems more genuine frustration from z to me in a w/v way

Weaker reads: I still really don’t like how Jaboo attacked me for literally just being on the thread at yeet close. (I know April disagreed that it was an attack, you might too, but it’s hard for me to interpret that situation any other way, and is still not answering my questions about it and providing reads so I’m not going to let it go, but I’m willing to realize it might just be a personal bias at this point.

This characterization is not really true, I’ve answered why I’m voting you. And yes, being on thread but not adding anything useful at close is a detriment to the village. Productive conversation is good for the village.

I had added plenty of posts and content throughout the day. I made it clear why I was voting where I was, and had no plans to change, and I didn’t change.

You’re making me out to be sketchy simply because I was actively reading the thread, and not posting anything for all of 38 minutes while I was eating dinner.

I’m not going to keep fighting with you about this because it’s unproductive, but it’s a pretty ridiculous attack IMO.

Remember, I joined about an hour before close. So that content I did not see.

Your definition of “attack” is super exaggerated.

i think this whole thing may have been z trying to get an easy misyeet w a subbed player but it didn't go well and he got frustrated?

[TR]
[TD]Jaboo subbed in[/TD]
[/TR]

only note under this row, im surprised there wasn't anything about the interaction?

[TR]
[TD]defended himself against April and Jaboo, called them both out very strongly. Reminds me of village Z in emojis when he got frustrated. His tone is off and I don't like it[/TD]
[/TR]

in zenge's row of her next reads list (not w the one above)

[TR]
[TD]Jaboo just subbed in, already coming for Z and called him out just for being around at yeet deadline? I don't like how hard she's pushing that argument. Giving her some leeway since I know she subbed in late[/TD]
[/TR]

in jaboo's row of that

Jaboo has really only shaded Z.

Not sure where Jaboo has been either.

(this second post is much later)

It's really hard for me to not look at the fact that Jaboo put their vote on me because I didn't post for all of 38 minutes before yeet close while also reading the thread. I'm not going to go around in circles on this because it's just going to make me angry and I'm trying really hard to not me Angry!Zenge this game, but this really is an abusrd reason to be voting for me.

this reads as genuine frustration to me (hey, wolves get angery too!) but again, more in a w/v way

It’s far from ridiculous. I’ve done it as a wolf.

And that was the first odd thing that stuck out to me since I joined late on D1. So might I be tunneling you based on decency bias? Possibly. But your posts today have done little to convince me that you‘re contributing much else to the village. I’ve mostly seen whining about being voted for.

this is in response to a post by z about jaboo's vote

My running theory is it’s a post restriction that he had to post x amount of quotes from the game today. Either that or he’s just messing around, throwing in tidbits from the game to set the mood

this is in response to alley

I'm not sure how I feel about jaboo because I have a wolf lean on Zenge too but I don't think jaboo's reasoning stands up, and that gives me a weird feeling.

same shorty, same🙁

Oooooop. If true, I may be dead in the morning

this was in response to dina's reveal

All the noobs are going to think I’m some ninja wolf hunter if this flips like I think it’s going to.

ok so z is a gonner at this point but after looking at all this these two made me feel weird.

okay so i have a lot of feelings.
this has made me out a question mark next to jaboo in a way i was really not expecting.


a few thoughts:

the fight on d1 could be manufactured. it was jaboo jumping on z for a weird reason imo, z totally overreacting to it
on the flip side, this could be z getting frustrated with one of the first people to hard call him out on the thread.

going into d2, it reads more w/v to me but i don't think that its completely out of the question that with loud notifications, they coulda been doing some performative stuff to get jaboo some village cred

in the back of my mind, im like wait what if lainey peaced out bc she saw she rng'd wolf and was like lolNOPE and nope'd right off the thread? (although i can't really give too much weight to this lol)

this is all influenced by my final thought, what really pushed jaboo into my village block was being the first vote on z. since and before then, the voting history isn't stellar. Day 1, last vote on the alissa yeet (although we can't super fault for that), Day 2 it was a contingency yeet way before zenge was in any real trouble that, as i said, would be dangerous to move off of w loud notifications, Day 3, last one on the visc vote, and then yesterday on kata. albeit, kata was lookin real weird by end of yesterday, but as a sum of parts, this whole thing actually made me feel worse about jaboo than i did before.

jaboo's been moved back from village read (keep in mind, for the folks in the back, that i categorize village or idk what im doing> village read > village lean) to village lean

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

so i have to start out jaboo's iso of interactions as lainey bc duh so here we gooooo

Spoiler: Day 1 as lainey

zenge tagging lainey in a long list, dont mean nothin for interactions

lainey's column is absent but that's bc mia

this was a bioshock thing and to me i don't think this would be w/w, bc this could have been done in the wolf chat? not enough to clear but enough to note

SWITCH TO JABOO

Spoiler: Day 1/night 1 as jaboo

d1 will include n1 oh whale
this is some shade throwing for something kinda weird

the response to that

response to that

this seems like an overreaction to me. this COULD be manufactured bc it just seems like weird to me and it culminated to:





the final comment by jaboo seems way too on the nose bad sus to be w/w tbh but for fun i wont RO quite yet
so this would be BEFORE wolves knew about z getting seerd. I think it'll be interesting to read this going into d2 bc if jaboo is a wolf, and knows about z being seerd, they cant move off of z without lookin real fishy. this is put down as a pressure vote, which are votes that move more than like real votes, so seeing this play out will be interesting.



this is seeming more genuine frustration from z to me

Spoiler: Day 2

this also seems more genuine frustration from z to me in a w/v way





i think this whole thing may have been z trying to get an easy misyeet w a subbed player but it didn't go well and he got frustrated?


only note under this row, im surprised there wasn't anything about the interaction?


in zenge's row of her next reads list (not w the one above)

in jaboo's row of that


(this second post is much later)


this reads as genuine frustration to me (hey, wolves get angery too!) but again, more in a w/v way


this is in response to a post by z about jaboo's vote


this is in response to alley


same shorty, same🙁


this was in response to dina's reveal

ok so z is a gonner at this point but after looking at all this these two made me feel weird.

okay so i have a lot of feelings.
this has made me out a question mark next to jaboo in a way i was really not expecting.


a few thoughts:

the fight on d1 could be manufactured. it was jaboo jumping on z for a weird reason imo, z totally overreacting to it
on the flip side, this could be z getting frustrated with one of the first people to hard call him out on the thread.

going into d2, it reads more w/v to me but i don't think that its completely out of the question that with loud notifications, they coulda been doing some performative stuff to get jaboo some village cred

in the back of my mind, im like wait what if lainey peaced out bc she saw she rng'd wolf and was like lolNOPE and nope'd right off the thread? (although i can't really give too much weight to this lol)

this is all influenced by my final thought, what really pushed jaboo into my village block was being the first vote on z. since and before then, the voting history isn't stellar. Day 1, last vote on the alissa yeet (although we can't super fault for that), Day 2 it was a contingency yeet way before zenge was in any real trouble that, as i said, would be dangerous to move off of w loud notifications, Day 3, last one on the visc vote, and then yesterday on kata. albeit, kata was lookin real weird by end of yesterday, but as a sum of parts, this whole thing actually made me feel worse about jaboo than i did before.

jaboo's been moved back from village read (keep in mind, for the folks in the back, that i categorize village or idk what im doing> village read > village lean) to village lean

and (yeah yeah hedgey schools idc) this could be all influenced by way too much coffee and not enough sleep, but i want to move jaboo to the edges of my solid village block bc i got wayyyyy to much green on my spreadsheet and i don't think it looks right

 

[Animal Midwife]

and (yeah yeah hedgey schools idc) this could be all influenced by way too much coffee and not enough sleep, but i want to move jaboo to the edges of my solid village block bc i got wayyyyy to much green on my spreadsheet and i don't think it looks right

The game is mostly green. You should be afraid of moving too many wolf reads (or, even worse, too many neutrals), not "too many" village reads.

 

[Crayola227]

One question someone may be able to answer if its been discussed and I've missed it - do we know what caused the GIF post restriction?
This makes an entire day of it for both shorty and cyndia make it very difficult to iso because you have to open them individually.

I believe so far it's happened to Shorty and Cyndia. I think it's the negative effect of an item? Or someone's ability?

 

[supershorty]

I believe so far it's happened to Shorty and Cyndia. I think it's the negative effect of an item? Or someone's ability?

Ability, based on my notification. Someone whispered in my ear.

 

[Crayola227]

So right now I'm not going to have a lot of quotes to pull because this damn thing is 91 pages long and a bear. This is going mostly off feels.
First off I have to say Kata has been minimally active and disappeared completely yesterday and I got the pleasure of stepping in the hot seat she left for me. She is exactly the kind of player that would be low hanging fruit for the wolves to try and yeet and I think we need to look at those who have been pushing the misyeet wagon heavily. I'm going to have to look back through posts to see exactly who was pushing the hardest, I haven't had a lot of time to do that yet.

Chaos - Consistently had voted on a random person. No wagons. Feels like he could be trying to fly under the radar. The only thing giving me pause here is Zenge throwing a vote there. But if chaos wasn’t taking easy heat it could have easily been some light bussing. Wolf chat could have coached him on the 10 pm thing. Find him sus. Wolfy.
AM - I had her as wolf early on, her 20Q style reminded me of her wolf style, but later play and this early post from alley when there was no need to bus puts her on the village side of things for me.

Mayo - Seems like the mayo we've had that has been village. He brings a chaotic energy to villaging that he doesn't for wolfing. I called him village last time as a wolf in an attempt to pocket him but I feel like his behaviors are no different this game than last.
Dina - If she's a wolf I'll eat my left shoe.
Please - Another one I'm now village reading due to the alley posts on her. Alley stated Zenge was more helpful, voted for her multiple times. Village lean, but looking at Bark's posts and the call out on the switch of the Zenge read makes me nervous to put her full village.
Barks - likely a village rez. I like that she had a vote on alley on Saturday and talked about how she wanted to yeet her but changed to Vis when it wasn't taking off.
Paws - Has been rolling extremely under the radar for me. Actually forgot she was in this game until I was checking the roster. I don't like her reads list given AM, and Barks are her strongest wolf reads when at that point barks hadn't done anything that hit me as wolf. Kata was her other strongest wolf read which as I mentioned is an easy misyeet target. She gave absolutely no info with that reads list and just ran off. Wolf lean.
Cray - Likely village. Playing totally different then the game I toted and she was a wolf, she seems to be in her usual post dump play style. Only thing not making me put her into full village is some WIFOM that she knows how that game went so she's actively being a much better wolf.
Shorty - Conflicted. I had originally cleared her completely in my head with going after Z, but now with the mention of loud actions she would have known he was seered on day 2 when she really started . She very well could have bussed him for village cred and it was totally working until I started to look through her stuff. She also made a comment day 1 defending alley for minimal activity. I have never seen her wolf but I'm well aware she is very good at it and I'm skittish.
Lawpy - He has wayyyy to many posts for m. If I'm reading it right it came back at 560 results. I don't even know what to do with that.
It would be an excellent wolf strategy to clog up the searches with hundreds of 1 sentence posts, but those of you who've played more say that's normal right? I'd honestly like to yeet him to prevent ever attempting that search again.


THIS IS SO MUCH AND I NEED A BREAK. I'm gonna get some ice cream while y'all have this.

We sorta have opposite reads on some players, but appreciate you made this list.

Mayo's quote dropping is very concerning to me, and I wonder if it's game related for powering up or finding a partner or something. Doesn't feel village. I kill anything that isn't village. I find you can never trust the meta of jokey chaotic players because it seems to do with more their mood than being AI. Meaning, I don't trust that a village Mayo is jokey and a wolf mayo is serious. We've used that reasoning before on players to our detriment. VCA doesn't clear him.

Barks - likely a village rez. I like that she had a vote on alley on Saturday and talked about how she wanted to yeet her but changed to Vis when it wasn't taking off.

I think that is exactly a reason not to like her. She seems village but I'm keeping my eye on her because she's the rez.

Also don't like how jaboo has dropped off, watching her too since she's the rezzer and the write ups have mentioned some ominous corpse messing with. Hopefully not necrophilia.

Yikes! on Paws. I agree I also forgot they were playing. Main contribution seems to be talking about the diary. Seriously needs to step it up.

Also major yikes on Lawpy. I can't believe he has has posted that much, yet it feels like he's basically said nothing. That was how I caught Please in the last game. The only thing sticks out in my mind was his 360 on me when alley was up, and his cheering of a tie.

I'm just about ready to get off Lupin's dick but I'd appreciate some more reads from her on other players, because if she is village that would be helpful.

Shorty and AM seem village but I don't want them to fool me.

You make some good points here, you're at least seemingly thinking about the game.

 

[Crayola227]

I just got a tinfoil that the rezzer is chaos/3P faction and rezzed Barks as part of it. Just had to get that out of my system.

I'm also sus of LIS for being not village.

Of all the people I'm sussing though, Mayo is the one concerns me most for being not only not village but wolf.

 

[Crayola227]

What does everyone think of Trilt? She's on my POE and I'm nervous about her

Her posts seem village, but her votes say wolf.

I'm worried about Trilt.

 

[Crayola227]

What do people think of MsP , I pointed out Msp-Zenge interactions could be w/w , and I find that Msp-alley interactions have been pretty similiar

Omg I forgot she was playing. That's not good.

 

[Crayola227]

Why switch off in the first place then?

I thought he thought he might save her.

 

[Crayola227]

Have we ever seen, unknownst to the rezzer, the rezzer get converted by the act of rezzing? Tinfoil here.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I thought he thought he might save her.

That seems super silly though. He was the reason she got pushed in the lead in the first place. Following him believing the originally leading person breaks the tie (plus her being semi-outted), it makes even less sense to jump on in the literal last minutes only to jump off and back on again as a partner.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Have we ever seen, unknownst to the rezzer, the rezzer get converted by the act of rezzing? Tinfoil here.

How would the rezzer not know? Regardless, I've never seen it and that'd be a pretty bastard mechanic because it's punishing the player for using their only ability.

 

[LetItSnow]

Why switch off in the first place then?

I suppose the argument would be hoping that the vote swings even more strongly away from alley.

 

[Crayola227]

The game is mostly green. You should be afraid of moving too many wolf reads (or, even worse, too many neutrals), not "too many" village reads.

To this I say it's math: 26 players to start, up to 25% non-village = 6.5. So say 6 non-village. We've caught 2, likely 4 remain. For every non-village remaining, you should have about 2x that number that you are seriously considering. I think too often people overly narrow.

 

[Crayola227]

How would the rezzer not know? Regardless, I've never seen it and that'd be a pretty bastard mechanic because it's punishing the player for using their only ability.

They don't know the rez will trigger their conversion is what I mean.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I do think I recall a game where the rezzer was converted. Can't recall the mechanism.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I suppose the argument would be hoping that the vote swings even more strongly away from alley.

There was like 5 minutes left on the clock when he voted her. That's ridiculously naive to think voting a partner in the last five minutes (when they haven't even voted themselves yet) would discourage others from staying on or shifting the vote especially in that little timeframe.

I know he's a better wolf than that.

 

[Animal Midwife]

To this I say it's math: 26 players to start, up to 25% non-village = 6.5. So say 6 non-village. We've caught 2, likely 4 remain. For every non-village remaining, you should have about 2x that number that you are seriously considering. I think too often people overly narrow.

Nah, it's much better for village wins to have the amount of wolves remaining + one (or two if you're really ambivalent) player in the POE. It only helps the wolves if you give them additional targets to shade and convince you to misyeet.

 

[LetItSnow]

There was like 5 minutes left on the clock when he voted her. That's ridiculously naive to think voting a partner in the last five minutes (when they haven't even voted themselves yet) would discourage others from staying on or shifting the vote especially in that little timeframe.

I know he's a better wolf than that.

Ohhhkay.

Guess I'll take my "ridiculously naive" thinking and shut up now. I don't know ANYTHING about Chaos's play. I don't know Chaos's meta. I don't know how experienced Chaos is.

You want people to post, don't make it <personal>.

I'm done.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ohhhkay.

Guess I'll take my "ridiculously naive" thinking and shut up now. I don't know ANYTHING about Chaos's play. I don't know Chaos's meta. I don't know how experienced Chaos is.

You want people to post, don't make it <personal>.

I'm done.

I meant it would be naive of chaos to think that'd work, not naive for you to suggest it. Should probably start using more pronouns when discussing hypotheticals.

 

[LetItSnow]

I meant it would be naive of chaos to think that'd work, not naive for you to suggest it. Should probably start using more pronouns when discussing hypotheticals.

Ok. My bad. Sorry for the overreaction. Pretty exhausted.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ok. My bad. Sorry for the overreaction. Pretty exhausted.

Understandable. I don't even do anything doctorly and I've still been near crashing around 2am every night this month.

 

[Crayola227]

There was like 5 minutes left on the clock when he voted her. That's ridiculously naive to think voting a partner in the last five minutes (when they haven't even voted themselves yet) would discourage others from staying on or shifting the vote especially in that little timeframe.

I know he's a better wolf than that.

It isn't ridiculously naive given how some people are brushing it off as a village move.

 

[samac]

Yes, that list. It may be wrong but do you think it's wolfy?

Anyway this is my problem. You said you were looking at anyone who was pushing kata because she was an easy misyeet for being quiet but your two main wolf reads are two of the quietest people so wouldn't that also be an easy misyeet?

Chaos has ~100 posts. I don’t necessarily consider that low posting.
paws I guess I don’t have a lot to go off of. and a list I disagree with so strongly is what I have to say maybe woof. Not my biggest lean and I understand the criticism.

More specifically, I'm a little surprised to not make the list at all. Especially since we've PM'd. Obviously there was no substance to the PM, but I should be on your radar one way or another.

I just haven’t finished reviewing. I spent about a hour and a half last night after I got off at 8pm and started with the players I had thoughts on in tot chat and was just working my way through. I know you’re here, I still need to review your post history.

 

[Lupin21]

Reading the surrounding surrounding context for chaos, he voted alley trusting the people on that vote, but people were talking about cray liking posts and alley not. So when cray voted, he interpreted that to be lurking wolf from my read on the situation. Then alley voted and he tried to switch back. Put him village for me that way.

 

[Trilt]

Yeet Cyndia

I'm going into an ER shift for the day and may or may not be back until the couple hours prior to close just depending on caseload.

Between genny having suspicions there and the NK, a general mild wolf lean through the game, and her inconsistencies with what she said she would do and did, I'd like to apply pressure there.

My biggest misgiving is her move being VERY visible and me being uncertain exactly what she gained from pulling that much attention to her. Maybe getting away from chatty genny?

Did she ever get her questions across to you, Dina/did they seem reasonable?

 

[samac]

Jaboo already mentioned this, but looking at the vote progression again makes me really wonder about this point that Trilt made about alley:



I can see 3 options: protecting kata, not seeing the tally before submitting her vote, or trying to take out 2 villagers with her in the event that all 3 died in the tie.

I think it would have been real dumb for wolves not to bus the **** out of kata if she was one. She literally wasn’t here the last day cycle with 0 posts and was fixing to get mod killed. why would you not bus your inactive packmate for village cred?
They offered her role to me because I expressed interest in subbing when Lainey needed a sub, but there was no preplanning for that. The mods asked me while I was asleep which is why there was a delay in the sub info.

 

[Trilt]

I think it would have been real dumb for wolves not to bus the **** out of kata if she was one. She literally wasn’t here the last day cycle with 0 posts and was fixing to get mod killed. why would you not bus your inactive packmate for village cred?
They offered her role to me because I expressed interest in subbing when Lainey needed a sub, but there was no preplanning for that. The mods asked me while I was asleep which is why there was a delay in the sub info.

We weren't looking for ANY WOLF with last cycle's lynch, we were looking for THE WOLF BLOCKER. If we'd gotten a different wolf that wouldn't have stopped us from still looking at the silenced people the next day.

The argument to bus a silent packmate doesn't work as well in the context of the actual lynch vs. hypotheticals.

 

[samac]

We weren't looking for ANY WOLF with last cycle's lynch, we were looking for THE WOLF BLOCKER. If we'd gotten a different wolf that wouldn't have stopped us from still looking at the silenced people the next day.

The argument to bus a silent packmate doesn't work as well in the context of the actual lynch vs. hypotheticals.

In that case they knew alley had to go down. If kata or cray was a wolf do you not think they would have tried to protect one of them?
I have a hard time finding how it would have been in their best interest to let that happen if there were 2 wolves on the board.

 

[Trilt]

In that case they knew alley had to go down. If kata or cray was a wolf do you not think they would have tried to protect one of them?
I have a hard time finding how it would have been in their best interest to let that happen if there were 2 wolves on the board.

I'm sorry, who is the "they" here? Wolves, or Alley in particular?

If Alley in particular, the difficulty is that she held her vote until we were at/near a three way tie situation so it's hard to read. See discussion above re: that, ha.

 

[Trilt]

Just walked into work... and I have 17 inpatients and am receiving. I will likely be sparse.

 

[samac]

I'm sorry, who is the "they" here? Wolves, or Alley in particular?

If Alley in particular, the difficulty is that she held her vote until we were at/near a three way tie situation so it's hard to read. See discussion above re: that, ha.

They would be wolves.

 

[samac]

Also should be back to look at the rest around 5ish.
we have didactics on Wednesday and my morning will be full of the patient that split open his forehead yesterday and broke a staff member’s nose last night. Psychiatry, man.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Theres been a lot of discussion about my voting towards the end of yesterday so I just thought I would clarify my thought process

* I logged on at 8 min to vote close , had no time to read , voted alley simply because I tred the people on alley more than the people on other wagons

* It turns out all 3 people hadnt said anything , given that we were looking for one silenced player it could be any of them

* Cray voted immediately after that suggesting that she was present and silenced , as opposed to other people who could just not be there. (This was also pointed out by mayo) This caused me to shift to alley

* Alley votes after that , meaning that alley was also online. So now there are two people who were clearly silenced , I attempted to move my vote back to alley , again because I tred the peeps on her wagon more

Any qs?

 

[Chaostrodon]

So ummm , the seer got a 3p? Why wouldnt you reveal that?

 

[pawprintsandponytails]

Anyway this is my problem. You said you were looking at anyone who was pushing kata because she was an easy misyeet for being quiet but your two main wolf reads are two of the quietest people so wouldn't that also be an easy misyeet?

I mean I would have to agree... Kata made my wolf list from how she was adamant day one and never really posted much until the deadlines on the other days.

I know I don't post too much and I can tell you two reasons why A) no one wants to read a bunch of my trash short post to hit a minimum (sorry mods, but that's a lot to read through if I throw in my 2 cents every time) B) often times I agree and like a post that says exactly what I am thinking too, so I take more of that approach. I do try to come on and say things when I have differing opinions, like putting you and AM on my list (which, after trilts addition, is probs not the best rabbit hole) C) last night was a date night before my partner leaves for 2 weeks on another externship sooooo I unplugged for the evening.

 

[supershorty]

For what it's worth, Lawpy has been silent in my PM with him since D5 started, including when I sent a non-game-related thing to see if he could/would like it the way Cray liked non-strategy things when she was silenced.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So ummm , the seer got a 3p? Why wouldnt you reveal that?

Because we're wolfhunting, especially for the mutikill wolf who's still a massive threat.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I mean I would have to agree... Kata made my wolf list from how she was adamant day one and never really posted much until the deadlines on the other days.

I know I don't post too much and I can tell you two reasons why A) no one wants to read a bunch of my trash short post to hit a minimum (sorry mods, but that's a lot to read through if I throw in my 2 cents every time) B) often times I agree and like a post that says exactly what I am thinking too, so I take more of that approach. I do try to come on and say things when I have differing opinions, like putting you and AM on my list (which, after trilts addition, is probs not the best rabbit hole) C) last night was a date night before my partner leaves for 2 weeks on another externship sooooo I unplugged for the evening.

Do you have some new reads/thoughts since the old list is now outdated?

 

[Chaostrodon]

Because we're wolfhunting, especially for the mutikill wolf who's still a massive threat.

So? Thats still info and one person we dont have to look at???