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[supershorty]

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April asked for my read on you and there wasn’t a lot to go on. That pinged me but it’s not enough to put you at the top of my list or anything. I brought it up again, because shorty was making the assumption that it meant I didn’t think Alissa was sketchy, which wasn’t the case, I did. I brought it up again, not to go after you, just to highlight that while I thought Alissa was sketchy, I didn’t think the vote switch thing was worth getting hung up on.

Who are you wolf reading right now?

I asked you for your read on Alissa after you posted your read of LIS. I said nothing about my interpretation of your thoughts, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the bolded part from. I don’t really like it, though. You’re on my ISO list today.

There were other people who pressed Alissa on the vote switch moreso than LIS, so I’m just wondering why that specifically pinged him to you, versus anyone else who was questioning it.

 

[Zenge142]

I asked you for your read on Alissa after you posted your read of LIS. I said nothing about my interpretation of your thoughts, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the bolded part from. I don’t really like it, though. You’re on my ISO list today.

There were other people who pressed Alissa on the vote switch moreso than LIS, so I’m just wondering why that specifically pinged him to you, versus anyone else who was questioning it.

Okay, well you asked immediately after I posted mentioning Alissa. If I was wrong about your intention, I was wrong.

It pinged me about LIS because there wasn’t much else to go on. When I’m looking for things that stand out, that stood out. Other people made that case too, and I still disagreed with it, but they also had a lot more posts to analyze.

 

[Trilt]

I see a time stamp of 12:08 CST in the post you quoted. That's almost 12 hours ago. Why would you want to hide updates in a post 12 hours old?

Genny, what are you doing this game? And do you have any intentions of stopping and actually taking things at least a bit seriously?

To a point you being feisty and reactive feels like you, but this is just being obtuse. The time stamp of 12:08 is not relevant when there's obviously bolded, new thoughts in the reads. This was reiterated twice. You're really going to sit here and not actually argue about the content or give any feedback but bitch twice that she didn't take the time to copy and paste and modify it so the time stamp is more to your liking?

 

[Aprilthearab]

Can we quit posting repeatedly about behavior in previous games? I mean, yeah, I get meta-evaluation. But some of this throwback stuff is starting to sound like wolfy post-padding.

My comment was regarding something that happened in this game (it just also happened in a previous game too). I wasn't using it as a meta evaluation.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I’m not following because I thought everyone thought she was a wolf because she wouldn’t yeet AM

Yes. I'm not sure what there isn't to follow? Was just saying that her argument of being the most obvious transparent villager isn't necessarily true

 

[WildZoo]

NIGHT CLOSED, RESULTS PENDING

PLEASE NOTE, VENDING MACHINE ITEMS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED SEPARATELY FROM YOUR REGULAR NIGHT RESULTS, POSSIBLY AFTER WRITEUP IS POSTED BUT MAYBE BEFORE.

 

[genny]

And do you have any intentions of stopping and actually taking things at least a bit seriously?

Spoiler: Yes

 

[Aprilthearab]

Zenge is continuing to not make me feel any better about him. He went from overly formal and friendly to very reactive and aggro when slightly pushed and I don't know where that's coming from. That isn't village!Zenge.

AM is moving into my neutrals, I am no longer getting the same overly-aggro and distorting vibes I did last game. Starting to think she is probably village.

Still not a fan of Kata's unexplained vote on me. I don't care if you vote for me, that's cool. But with no explanation, especially when asked twice and I know she was here? Come on, that's straight up anti-village.

 

[Aprilthearab]

The Mayo/Lawpy fight last night felt v/v to me. Too much attention drawn for it to be w/v. Definitely don't feel it was w/w. Still unsure about where Sun fits into it all but she sounds much like the frustrated villager she was last game.

I find Jaboo quite agreeable though the sample size of posts is very small given the sub in and I'm not confident on my read of her.

 

[WildZoo]

Night 1



When I got here I thought, well, who wants to go and splice up their genes, you know? Like wouldn't that be pretty dangerous? But you know, these plasmids have actually come in pretty handy. It's hard making a living down here sometimes. Easier when you can take what you need. A little telekinesis and the cash is right in your hands.

She smiled, a bit of pocket change in her hand, snatched right from under the nose of one of those lumbering metal men. He hadn't even noticed until she'd already crept away. She lit up a cigarette while she sauntered back to her own room. She never made it. Her body was discovered in the morning, pinned to a wall with several kitchen knives.

Dead is @Aprilthearab, who was Diane Barone, a village thief, who could sneak into another player's room every night and steal a bit of their cash or loot.

~~~


There is no shooting range down here, but that's ok. Some days the whole city is an exercise in target practice.

He felt the power of the gene tonic course through his veins, but he'd spent all his cash on the upgrade and didn't have enough left over to buy himself a gun—typical lack of forethought. But there had to be guns lying around this place somewhere, right? People were so careless. He looted a few trash cans and had just come upon a baby stroller that looked to have something hard and metallic in it...but someone brought a knife to the gunfight, and fortunately for them, they caught the gunslinger empty-handed.

Dead is @Barkley13, who was Casper Waverly, a village weapons expert who could use weapon items to their full potential

~~~



I could have gone along with the rest. Spliced up, forgot who I was, gotten so lost in my addiction that I no longer saw how the great utopia around me crumbled. But no, I didn't want to forget. If I forgot, I'd never get her back. My little girl, the one who was taken from me and turned into a monster. I didn't want to forget her. So I stayed away from ADAM, from plasmids and gene tonics. And I vowed to take down the organization that funded my daughter's transformation.

The woman wept into her pillow. Her daughter turned into a creature who no longer recognized her, her husband, killed while trying to get her back. It was too much. None of the peace and joy that she had been promised when they came to this god-forsaken place. She wondered if the pain would ever end. In the quiet of the night, someone ended it for her, with a single bullet to the brain.

Dead is @sunshinefl, who was Jaida Engelhart, a vanilla villager

It is now Day 2. Vote closes at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland on Thursday, March 4th.

22 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Zenge142
4. @Dinashadow
5. @pawprintsandponytails

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy
14. @SportPonies

Hephaestus
15. @genny
16. @mkg323
17. @Cyndia

Olympus Heights
19. @Ms Procrastinator
20. @Viscernable
21. @alleycat03
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. @katashark
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager

Subs:
1. @samac

Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​

 

[Zenge142]

Jaboo made an observation that I didn't interpret as an attack. I shared my read. I am wolf reading you, and sharing wolf reads is part of the game. I really don't appreciate being called obtuse because this is my genuine interpretation of the exchange and I'm sorry if that came off as an attack.

I'm not sure what's going on with all the tension tonight but I'm really trying to not fuel it.

I still don’t understand how you could see what Jaboo did as anything other than an attack trying to throw shade on me. Like, yes, I was here at yeet close, with everyone else. I was eating dinner, and I didn’t feel like I had a lot to contribute. It was hard enough just to stay up to date with how fast the thread was expanding. But it was only me who was singled out for being here and “lurking in the shadows” That’s an attack.

Im sorry if saying you were being obtuse was over the line, but it genuinely felt like you were stone walling by refusing to acknowledge how that’s perceived as an attack, and how you piling on for something so innocuous was adding fuel to the fire.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I still don’t understand how you could see what Jaboo did as anything other than an attack trying to throw shade on me. Like, yes, I was here at yeet close, with everyone else. I was eating dinner, and I didn’t feel like I had a lot to contribute. It was hard enough just to stay up to date with how fast the thread was expanding. But it was only me who was singled out for being here and “lurking in the shadows” That’s an attack.

Im sorry if saying you were being obtuse was over the line, but it genuinely felt like you were stone walling by refusing to acknowledge how that’s perceived as an attack, and how you piling on for something so innocuous was adding fuel to the fire.

***********

***********

 

[Animal Midwife]

@genny What does your POE look like?

 

[mkg323]

3 kills, 2 with knives and 1 with a gun. Could be 2 wolf kills and 1 3P/villager? having 2 wolf kills would support the 2 faction theory that Lawpy proposed

 

[holdthemayo]

***********

***********

I can see the angels dancing

 

[Dinashadow]

3 kills, 2 with knives and 1 with a gun. Could be 2 wolf kills and 1 3P/villager? having 2 wolf kills would support the 2 faction theory that Lawpy proposed

Would you kindly share your wolf reads?

I went back to your reads list from Monday and 2/3 people on your wolf list are now dead and have flipped village.

 

[sunshinefl]

I can see the angels dancing

**********
that’s April and I dancing forever together
**********

 

[Dinashadow]

I still don’t understand how you could see what Jaboo did as anything other than an attack trying to throw shade on me. Like, yes, I was here at yeet close, with everyone else. I was eating dinner, and I didn’t feel like I had a lot to contribute. It was hard enough just to stay up to date with how fast the thread was expanding. But it was only me who was singled out for being here and “lurking in the shadows” That’s an attack.

Im sorry if saying you were being obtuse was over the line, but it genuinely felt like you were stone walling by refusing to acknowledge how that’s perceived as an attack, and how you piling on for something so innocuous was adding fuel to the fire.

I've been back and forth on you as far as where you belong on my POE, which is not something I feel great about. I usually don't put a lot of stock into NK analysis especially because there might be 3Ps involved, but april seemed to be pushing you and Barks had you as a wolf lean and now they're both gone.

Is genny still your biggest wolf read? Who else are you wolf reading?

 

[mkg323]

Would you kindly share your wolf reads?

I went back to your reads list from Monday and 2/3 people on your wolf list are now dead and have flipped village.

yeah so I've pretty much had to scrap my last reads list, I'm currently going back and running some iso's. Currently going throught schools please, plan on doing alley next cause I dont feel great about her. If I have time tonight might reread zenge and try and figure out why I'm reading him so differently than everyone else. I also want to iso the dead to see if they maybe something stands out as to why they were targeted. I did reread the AM/April argument before night results came out, and it did read v/v for me.

 

[Dinashadow]

yeah so I've pretty much had to scrap my last reads list, I'm currently going back and running some iso's. Currently going throught schools please, plan on doing alley next cause I dont feel great about her. If I have time tonight might reread zenge and try and figure out why I'm reading him so differently than everyone else. I also want to iso the dead to see if they maybe something stands out as to why they were targeted. I did reread the AM/April argument before night results came out, and it did read v/v for me.

Can you explain this? Are you village reading him?

 

[Lawpy]

And we're dorsal

 

[Lawpy]

Night 1



When I got here I thought, well, who wants to go and splice up their genes, you know? Like wouldn't that be pretty dangerous? But you know, these plasmids have actually come in pretty handy. It's hard making a living down here sometimes. Easier when you can take what you need. A little telekinesis and the cash is right in your hands.

She smiled, a bit of pocket change in her hand, snatched right from under the nose of one of those lumbering metal men. He hadn't even noticed until she'd already crept away. She lit up a cigarette while she sauntered back to her own room. She never made it. Her body was discovered in the morning, pinned to a wall with several kitchen knives.

Dead is @Aprilthearab, who was Diane Barone, a village thief, who could sneak into another player's room every night and steal a bit of their cash or loot.

~~~


There is no shooting range down here, but that's ok. Some days the whole city is an exercise in target practice.

He felt the power of the gene tonic course through his veins, but he'd spent all his cash on the upgrade and didn't have enough left over to buy himself a gun—typical lack of forethought. But there had to be guns lying around this place somewhere, right? People were so careless. He looted a few trash cans and had just come upon a baby stroller that looked to have something hard and metallic in it...but someone brought a knife to the gunfight, and fortunately for them, they caught the gunslinger empty-handed.

Dead is @Barkley13, who was Casper Waverly, a village weapons expert who could use weapon items to their full potential

~~~



I could have gone along with the rest. Spliced up, forgot who I was, gotten so lost in my addiction that I no longer saw how the great utopia around me crumbled. But no, I didn't want to forget. If I forgot, I'd never get her back. My little girl, the one who was taken from me and turned into a monster. I didn't want to forget her. So I stayed away from ADAM, from plasmids and gene tonics. And I vowed to take down the organization that funded my daughter's transformation.

The woman wept into her pillow. Her daughter turned into a creature who no longer recognized her, her husband, killed while trying to get her back. It was too much. None of the peace and joy that she had been promised when they came to this god-forsaken place. She wondered if the pain would ever end. In the quiet of the night, someone ended it for her, with a single bullet to the brain.

Dead is @sunshinefl, who was Jaida Engelhart, a vanilla villager

It is now Day 2. Vote closes at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland on Thursday, March 4th.

22 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Zenge142
4. @Dinashadow
5. @pawprintsandponytails

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy
14. @SportPonies

Hephaestus
15. @genny
16. @mkg323
17. @Cyndia

Olympus Heights
19. @Ms Procrastinator
20. @Viscernable
21. @alleycat03
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. @katashark
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager

Subs:
1. @samac

Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​

Hmm 🤔

 

[Lawpy]

Gonna try something:

unyeet mayos
yeet katanas

 

[mkg323]

Can you explain this? Are you village reading him?

Yes I have him as a village lean, but I want to make sure I have him there for good reasons

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm starting off with

Yeet genny

and I also want to hear a lot more from @pawprintsandponytails @SportPonies and @alleycat03

 

[Lawpy]

Spoiler: Late D1 votes

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou ()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (2) - April, genny
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia (1) - mayo
alissa (2) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat

22/26

Winning: @katashark & @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Missing: @mkg323 @SportPonies @Viscernable @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~30 MINUTES)

I still haven't seen a good argument for kata. Not sure why she (he?) is tied for the lead right now.

Unyeet C
Yeet Alissa

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou —> jaboo()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (2) - April, genny
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia ()
alissa (3) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat, mayo

22/26

Winning: @katashark & @vetschoolsletmeinplease & @alissa14

Missing: @mkg323 @SportPonies @Viscernable @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~20 MINUTES)

Okay held off on voting hoping to get a better read and because I didn't know where voting stood, but just saw the tally. Alissa is still my strongest wolf read, followed by Z, and I'm not leaning very wolfy on anyone on her.

yeet alissa

I wanted to vote shorty (gut feel) up until the end of page 11, but my impression has changed a bit now.

yeet Zenge

because there's a chance I'll not notice close if I keep going without placing a vote.

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou —> jaboo()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (3) - April, genny, Sporty
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia ()
alissa (4) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat, mayo, Viscernable

24/26

Winning: @alissa14

Missing: @mkg323 @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~15 MINUTES)

CHECK YO VOTES

Yeet alissa

I'm not a fan of her naked vote on kata, who I have in my neutrals. I feel like shes been backtracking on her voting habits all day.

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (3) - AM, Zenge, supershorty
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (1) - Lawpy
vetschoolsplease (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou —> jaboo()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (3) - April, genny, Sporty
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia ()
alissa (5) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat, mayo, Viscernable, mkg

25/26

Winning: @alissa14

Missing: @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~5 MINUTES)

CHECK YO VOTES

Yeet alissa

should fix your concern, Lupin

unvote kata
vote vetschoolplease

could be more interesting

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys *FINAL* Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (3) - AM, Zenge, supershorty
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (1) - Lawpy
vetschoolsplease (4) - Cray, Barks, MsP, trilt
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou —> jaboo()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (3) - April, genny, Sporty
katashark (2) - LIS, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia ()
alissa (6) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat, mayo, Viscernable, mkg, jaboo

25/26

Winning: @alissa14

Missing: n/a

yeet/vote closed, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21

CHECK YO VOTES

 

[Zenge142]

I've been back and forth on you as far as where you belong on my POE, which is not something I feel great about. I usually don't put a lot of stock into NK analysis especially because there might be 3Ps involved, but april seemed to be pushing you and Barks had you as a wolf lean and now they're both gone.

Is genny still your biggest wolf read? Who else are you wolf reading?

Genny is my strongest, followed by Kata.

Weaker reads: I still really don’t like how Jaboo attacked me for literally just being on the thread at yeet close. (I know April disagreed that it was an attack, you might too, but it’s hard for me to interpret that situation any other way, and is still not answering my questions about it and providing reads so I’m not going to let it go, but I’m willing to realize it might just be a personal bias at this point.

Not feeling great about Chaos’s lack of thread presencebut whatever, not at the top of the list or anything, and he does seem to be wolf hunting when he is here. I’d still like to see more though.

I was leaning pretty heavily on Cyndia for pushing MKG for a bad reason (at least I think so) and then doubling down on it, but I’m feeling a little better about her after posting the reads list she did.

MsP is still someone I’m keeping my eye on, but I was pleasantly surprised by her coming on and posting reads and contributing to the conversation more than what I was expecting. I’m glad to be wrong on that.

I’d like to see sporty, prints, and Vis all catch up and contribute more.

 

[WildZoo]

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[Lawpy]

Was the alissa yeet a counter to the pleasy and katas yeets? 🤔

 

[Lawpy]

Yeah, I don't either if she's only to page 9.

Unyeet Vissy
Yeet genny

Oh wait i missed this

 

[kaydubs]

table of contents updated. As previously mentioned, I will try to keep an updated tally link available there.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Was the alissa yeet a counter to the pleasy and katas yeets? 🤔

I would be extremely suprised if there wasn't at least one wolf on the board by 9PM because the activity really picked up.

 

[Dinashadow]

I was leaning pretty heavily on Cyndia for pushing MKG for a bad reason (at least I think so) and then doubling down on it, but I’m feeling a little better about her after posting the reads list she did.

Are you village reading mkg?

MsP is still someone I’m keeping my eye on, but I was pleasantly surprised by her coming on and posting reads and contributing to the conversation more than what I was expecting. I’m glad to be wrong on that.

Considering the stunt she pulled when she village in the last game do you think she would have incentive to be more active this game if she randed wolf? Because that's something I'm starting to worry about

 

[Lawpy]

I would be extremely suprised if there wasn't a wolf on the board by 9PM because the activity really picked up.

Looks like in response to alissa vote that put katas in the lead

Yeet kata

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (1) - katashark
shorty ()
MsP ()
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (2) - Cray, Barks
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg (1) - Cyndia
LaineyLou ()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (2) - April, genny
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia (1) - mayo
alissa (2) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat

20/26

Winning: @katashark

Missing: @pawprintsandponytails @mkg323 @SportPonies @Viscernable @Ms Procrastinator @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~55 MINUTES)

 

[Zenge142]

Are you village reading mkg?

Yes. Seems just like MKG from last game, just with more experience under her belt and not in the “last man standing” situation she found herself in.

Considering the stunt she pulled when she village in the last game do you think she would have incentive to be more active this game if she randed wolf? Because that's something I'm starting to worry about

Like I said, I’m still keeping my eye on her. Your point is certainly a fair possibility. But I think we can both agree that we’re not seeing happen what happened in basics, and that’s something to be happy about.

 

[Zenge142]

Is genny still your biggest wolf read?

Can I get your thoughts on Genny? You can’t feel good about her thread contributions, and specifically, not just the lack there of, but the outright refusal to contribute to wolf reads other than just voting for me, right?

 

[Lawpy]

Wait jboozy is playing?? Aha! Interesting. Jboozy and vissy both playing is fun because they were deadly wolves in the noob games, and two small Lawpys were sacrificed to both.

 

[jaboo]

I still really don’t like how Jaboo attacked me for literally just being on the thread at yeet close. (I know April disagreed that it was an attack, you might too, but it’s hard for me to interpret that situation any other way, and is still not answering my questions about it and providing reads so I’m not going to let it go, but I’m willing to realize it might just be a personal bias at this point.

This characterization is not really true, I’ve answered why I’m voting you. And yes, being on thread but not adding anything useful at close is a detriment to the village. Productive conversation is good for the village.

 

[jaboo]

Wait jboozy is playing?? Aha! Interesting. Jboozy and vissy both playing is fun because they were deadly wolves in the noob games, and two small Lawpys were sacrificed to both.

Your memory is impressive, because I think that was 2-3 years ago and I hardly remember what I did last week.

 

[Zenge142]

This characterization is not really true, I’ve answered why I’m voting you. And yes, being on thread but not adding anything useful at close is a detriment to the village. Productive conversation is good for the village.

I had added plenty of posts and content throughout the day. I made it clear why I was voting where I was, and had no plans to change, and I didn’t change.

You’re making me out to be sketchy simply because I was actively reading the thread, and not posting anything for all of 38 minutes while I was eating dinner.

I’m not going to keep fighting with you about this because it’s unproductive, but it’s a pretty ridiculous attack IMO.

 

[supershorty]

I have to reevaluate some things based on April's flip in particular since I had a wolfy lean on her, so I'm starting the day off with a Zenge ISO. Zenge has said quite a few things that I've agreed with, but some things have pinged me as well, and ISOing didn't clear up my read of him as much as I hoped it would (despite the number of quotes that I pulled). I'm leaning toward the wolfy side of neutral at this point, based partially on some of his analyses and partially on some tonal things I noticed, and I'm curious to see what his posts are like today. This post is huge, and I'm sorry for that, but I tried to break it up with spoilers.

Spoiler: Voting justifications

You should really be salt voting AM for having pockets so deep they’re criminal.🤣

Yeet AM

I wasn't at all surprised by this vote. It's very possible that a wolf jumped on the AM salt vote train and I'm not discounting that possibility, but there was so much salt directed at her after Goats that I don't want to read into this vote too much.

I just realized MsP is playing this game. I probably would have been blissfully unaware too, until 5 minutes to yeet close when she comes on with a flurry of posts to meet requirements, a suspicious amount of thread knowledge, and vote to make a tie. I’m not sure my stomach lining can take the chaos that is MsP.

UNYEET AM
YEET MsP

This seemed like legitimate reasoning to me. MsP was a misyeet in basics and did play exactly how we'd been told she tended to play (by people who had played with her before). Is this active wolf hunting - no, but I understand the reasoning behind it.

Yes. Who came on 5 minutes to close and intentionally tried to make a tie to yeet two villagers.

If she comes on and actually posts before just 5 minutes to close I’ll move my vote, but I want to put pressure here early.

Reasonable.

Unyeet MsP

Now that she’s posting and I know it won’t be a repeat of last time I saw her play.

The only reason that I pulled this quote in particular is because later on, he goes back to saying that it looks like it will be a repeat of last time, which I thought was a little strange just because the fact that MsP had posted at all to that point proved that it wasn't going to be an exact repeat of last time. That might be me getting hung up on semantics, but I made a note of it. I just saw that he made another post that mentioned her AGAIN while I was writing this ISO out, and I don't know how I feel about that. It feels a little tunnelly to me given that the posts she's made do have good content. It's pretty clear to me, at least, that MsP isn't playing in this game the way she did in Basics. And yet, he goes back to her later on to say it again, when clearly it's not going to be a repeat of basics.

Yep. She reacted to something recently so shes here. It really seems like she only came on to defend herself from my pressure. I'm fully expecting a repeat of Basics.

Again, I was walking Mayo through my thought process specifically on the AM/Genny interaction. I could see arguments for both wolf or village Genny in that interaction.

My overall feelings on Genny though have not been hedgy. I’ve been pretty vocal about how I really don’t like Genny refusing to answer Shorty earlier with a list of reads and literally just now posted this in response to Shorty continuing to press for her wolf reads:
In light of Genny’s repeated refusal to make any wolf reads after being asked for the 2nd day in a row:

Yeet Genny

He and I both started going after genny at this point because she wouldn't give any substantive answer when I asked who her wolf reads were or who was in her POE. This is one of the things that I agree with him on - I do feel it's, at best, anti-village play to do that. Regarding the bolded part, he did say earlier in the game that he was leaning more toward a village genny and then switched to a wolf lean, but that seemed to be based on her interactions with me regarding her reads. Because of that, I'm inclined to agree with the bolded; I think he reevaluated based on new information, but it's not striking me as hedging.

One of the things that stood out to me a little bit while I was doing this ISO is that there have been a few instances where I either haven't really followed Zenge's logic or I've felt like he's stretching a bit to try and make a particular point. I've pulled those and have them here:

Spoiler: Stretches or logic I don't follow

Z is not the only person who got fairly hung up on Lupin's post calling April towny just based on when she posted, but he stayed on it for a while and read a lot into it. Again, not the only person to do that, but I made a note of it.

I think this was very much a serious statement based on the quotes, which is a pretty weird reasoning to use to clear someone as village.

I sort of read it as Lupin trying to obfuscate and distract from the weird clearing of April by misdirecting into a conversation about AM’s salt wagon.

I was adding my thoughts to the conversation.

I don’t know why you think automatically clearing April just because she was the first person to post on the thread isn’t weird, but it’s weird. It completely lacks any analysis or thought.

Saying “In my experience the first poster is usually village”, regardless if it’s true, is a really irrelevant thing to clear someone on. You have to at least acknowledge that?

I’m sorry if I don’t know your play style, but when I’m looking for things to stand out as weird, this is weird.

Can you at least acknowledge that automatically clearing someone, just because they were the first one to post on the thread is a weird thing to do?

This feels to me like reading way more into Lupin's post than necessary and I don't really follow why he went on the attack over this so much.

This kind of felt like white knighting by sunshine, which I thought was really weird.

This felt like a stretch to me when sunshine was just talking about Cyndia's PM preferences and how mkg wouldn't know that, being a nooblet and not having played with Cyndia before.

I’m not feeling the best about pleasey, but I also don’t like how fast the wagon seemed to build after Cray voted there.

How do you feel about Dina who’s also sitting on that vote?

It’s not that it’s too many, per se. It’s that I’m wolf leaning Barks and neutral on Dina, and feel like they they joined on really fast considering we hadn’t even heard from a large number of players at the time.

I mean, not everyone’s constantly on and posting, so “fast” is relative. It was more about how we still hadn’t heard from several people at the time. Hasty probably would have been a better word than fast.

There were 3 people on this vote, and it really didn't build "fast" in the sense of multiple people jumping on within the same hour. The votes, temporally, were fairly far apart (several hours).

LIS: I obviously can't speak to knowing their playstyle, and there isn't a lot of content to go on. I'm leaning wolfy though for the following: Pushing the Alissa thing I think is weird. It was clearly a joke. I didn't care for this exchange particularly It was a little weird to agree with me about being sus of Barks and then yeet kata seemingly out of nowhere and with no explanation.

Mayo: Mayo I'm reading village. I've only ever seen mayo as village, and so far Mayo just seems like Mayo. Albeit I actually disagree with Cray, I think Mayo is being less jokey than he usually is, and seems to be playing more seriously, and I didn't like that he wasn't willing to be more committed to my side against Genny when it's so obvious she's stone walling. My vote wasn't retaliatory, I'd established my problem with Genny prior to her voting for me and only voted Genny after she, once again refused to give a wolf read list. His unwillingness to acknowledge that sequence of events left a sour taste in my mouth, but regardless, I'm still leaning village. The most village thing he's doing is his current push of Cyndia. I think the push shes making against MKG for a PM and then doubling down on it makes zero sense, and so for Mayo to agree with me on that (I don't think he ever actually did answer my question here but basically answered it with his vote, and now to actually lead the push makes me read him village.

Lupin: I'm in a similar spot with Lupin that I am with LIS where I obviously can't speak to knowing their playstyle, and while there's more content than LIS there still isn't very much to go on, and when you cut out the fluff and the fat it's almost the same, and there does seem to be an inordinate amount of fluff. I'm saying neutral for now, maybe slight wolf lean for all the fluff and not a lot of real wolf hunting as far as I can tell.

Why did you ask about those three in particular? What are you reads on those three?

Then we get to Zenge's reads that he was asked for. I bolded those sentences because they seem stretchy to me. LIS wasn't pushing Alissa's vote switch more than some other people, and he and Zenge did have an interaction discussing Barks, so it seemed a little odd to me that he decided he had a wolf lean on LIS just based on this specific thing. I also don't think I agree with his feeling on Lupin and the amount of fluff vs non-fluff. He was super hung up on the towny comment for a while, and this felt a little like an extension of that.

To be clear, I still think it's weird for LIS to be pushing Alissa over the weird salt vote thing, especially when there's enough else to build a wolf case against her on, as I've laid out here. Alissa explained what she did with the salt vote. People can choose to believe it or disbelieve it, but it feels like we've been going around in circles on it for two days now, when there's other reasons to be suspicious of Alissa.

He stayed on this train of thought and I don't really know why, given that LIS's vote didn't land on Alissa and that LIS wasn't pushing Alissa harder than other people, as I mentioned earlier. Again, feels stretchy to me, and that he kept with it feels really odd.

April asked for my read on you and there wasn’t a lot to go on. That pinged me but it’s not enough to put you at the top of my list or anything. I brought it up again, because shorty was making the assumption that it meant I didn’t think Alissa was sketchy, which wasn’t the case, I did. I brought it up again, not to go after you, just to highlight that while I thought Alissa was sketchy, I didn’t think the vote switch thing was worth getting hung up on.

Who are you wolf reading right now?

Already addressed this earlier this morning, but I don't like assumptions being made when my response to his LIS read was just to ask him what his read on Alissa was. No more, no less.

Okay, well you asked immediately after I posted mentioning Alissa. If I was wrong about your intention, I was wrong.

It pinged me about LIS because there wasn’t much else to go on. When I’m looking for things that stand out, that stood out. Other people made that case too, and I still disagreed with it, but they also had a lot more posts to analyze.

I just feel like I'm used to stronger analysis of players than this. Neither of us have played with LIS before, that's true, but I feel like Zenge can do much better analyses than getting hung up on one point like this.

Then there are some things that either struck me as very aggressive or that I straight up don't buy. Now, we've seen in previous games that Z can get very frustrated and angry - and he's been village all of those times. I've seen him rage quit before (emojis, although he then came back to get the last word) and do something that looked like a rage quit but wasn't (the hail mary approach that he tried in goats), so him getting angry at people doesn't ping me on its own. I'm sure that April kind of tunnelling on him, if he's village, frustrated him a lot - and that was part of why I had a wolf lean on her and some villagey vibes from him. But he's also said some things that struck me as unnecessarily snippy, and while I don't want to read into it too much, I do want to make a note of it.

Additionally, as I mentioned, there are some things he said that struck me as backpedaling on things he'd push, particularly related to how he was fixated on Lupin's towny comment.

Spoiler: Things that make me go hmmm...

That’s very fair. It’s only my 4th game and I’ve never actually heard “towny” used before. Sorry if I misunderstood your meaning.

For some reason I was putting it on a scale. Like towns are bigger than villages, so someone being towny is Uber village.

This makes more sense though.

I don't buy either of these things. Yeah, we've only played in games where it's been called wolf/village, but both of us have read articles on MafiaWiki and MU. I don't think this is the first time he encountered this language, and while the putting it on a scale thing was funny, I don't believe it. I'm unwilling to give him a pass on that.

Sunny is that you?

I know he said this was a joke and apologized (below), but it did seem a little unnecessary and mean-spirited to me. I'm glad he apologized to sunny. I made a note of it because this felt different from angry Zenge - and maybe he really did mean it as a joke and just really missed the mark. But it felt mean when I read it.

I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. It was a joke, because you’re usually the one constantly eyerolling me. I honestly thought you’d laugh. I’m sorry.

And then we get to posts where I feel like he's making an effort to wolf hunt and providing reads. He did do some ISOing yesterday and pulled quotes to go with his thoughts, and some of this is what was giving me village leanings yesterday (although not enough for me to take him out of my neutrals).

Spoiler: Posts that seemed like wolf hunting or more like village!Zenge

Apologies for the wall post!

Okay, now that I finally have a moment to sit down at my computer and properly do some ISOs and type things out, I wanted to get a few thoughts out while I can:

First off, not happy that prints said she'd come back and post and hasn't. Her overall thread presence has been non existent, although considering there's a plethora of people who literally have been nonexistent, I'll let it go for now, but I'm making a note of it.

Secondly, I’m pretty happy that MsP is actually participating in the opening here. I'd still like to see more, but I'm at least not going to worry about a repeat of the basics game.

I'm not really sure what to make of the AM/April fight. I have April as a village lean, and this doesn't seem like the wolf AM was the last game, so I'm inclined to read them both village.

As for the Genny/AM fight, and to answer your question Mayo: I played with Genny in the basics game. Approaching this from the perspective of reading AM village, there's some things about Genny's interactions here that remind me of that and ping me as wolfy, but also some things that ping me as village. In that game there were some things that really stood out to me, and I kept pushing on and I'm not seeing that much here. For wolfy case on Genny the biggest thing is pushing AM when AM is reading so different from the last game, implying shes village. She didn't vote to yeet though, and I'm not sure if that better or worse? Casting suspicion and not following through isn't good, but since AM is clearly different to me than last game aka shes village now, to me, actually voting AM wouldn't seem good either. Overall it's a pretty weak case for calling Genny a wolf. The village case is a little stronger. I really liked this post Since I'm reading both April and AM with village leans, this attempt to deescalate the situation, and try and get the village on track read genuine to me. It's not Iron Clad or anything but I like the village case for Genny a little bit better than the wolf case. Overall I'm keeping her in neutral for now, because I think all of it is NAI but, since you asked Mayo, and I was the one that led the charge to yeet Genny D1 of basics, I wanted to give you a thorough answer.

Third: I'd like to get a follow up from Pleasey about this and her current thoughts on Lupin, After this interaction transpired: I know you saw the interaction pleasy, but has it changed your thoughts on Lupin?

I don't like that Pleasy's only real additions here have been the above sus of Lupin (potentially rescinded) and then describing the April/AM interaction as either W/W, W/V, or V/V, as stated here: This all seems super hedgy, and lacks real analysis. So pleasy is currently higher up on my wolf reads.

As far as MKG is concerned I'm currently reserving judgement. Overall tone is similar to what I saw last game (village!MKG) but it's only her 2nd game as far as I'm aware, so who knows. I don't see anything as wolfy though. There does seem to be a push currently against MKG which I'm not really a fan of. I think at least one wolf might be pushing opportunistically, but I'll wait to see how it plays out.

If I didn't mention you in this post, you're either village or neutral (mostly neutral). I'm currently saving my vote for tomorrow. I'll probably use it to apply pressure somewhere. I really don't like that we have what could essentially be an entire wolfpack full of people who have yet to post on the thread.

Sorry again for the wall post.

This is a big post with a lot of information in it. I appreciate that he gives reasons with his reads. The wordiness is his norm.

How did you feel about this answer pleasy gave about the April/AM interaction, where she basically refused to take a stance and said it could be w/w v/w or v/v?

Asking someone about a specific interaction like this strikes me as pro-village and is fairly typical Zenge behavior.

Yeah, I really don’t get why you’re picking this fight with AM again. AM isn’t playing anything like she did last game.

I obviously don’t like that you’re picking a fight with me now. Like, am I seriously your TOP wolf read that you’re voting for me? Shorty said it best in her reads here This is the case you’re presenting to village for your TOP wolf read?

It’s also been bothering me all day that you’re simultaneously attacking me for not being analytical wordy enough, and being too wordy and analytical here: Pick a lane.

Yeah, I was reading you with a village lean, but lord knows I shouldn’t ever be trusted to read you, considering how badly you pocketed me in both Emojis and Basics.

Then why are you holding me to a higher standard? You’ve played this game more than I have.

Am I usually short?

It’s really not a strong reaction. I’m simply pointing out what I felt like was an incongruity in your logic. You’re complaining that I’m not being analytical enough, and then when I answer Mayo’s question about the Genny/AM interaction, and walk him through my thought process, just because my analysis of that interaction didn’t end with strong feeling on Genny one way or the other, you complain about that too. You can’t have it both ways.

Both of these interactions with April, when they were occurring, didn't give me wolfy vibes because like I mentioned before, we've seen village!Zenge get angry before. In light of April's flip, I think you could make an argument for this being more than that. I'm not confident in that because I do see the reasoning behind his frustration; sometimes April's posts did read to me like they were criticizing him for one thing, and then criticizing him for the opposite of that thing. Again, that's part of what had contributed to my wolf lean on her; the criticisms seemed incompatible sometimes.

Okay except you voted to yeet me before I voted to yeet you.

My reasons as stated are that you’ve continued to refuse to proved any wolf reads for the 2nd day in a row after repeated pressing.

This was directed at genny in response to her calling him opportunistic, which was kind of a strange comment because as he pointed out here, she had put her yeet vote down before he put his. I will say that I can see an argument for his yeet vote on her being retaliatory based on how quickly he placed it after she put hers on him, but he had been vocal at that point about how her lack of providing a POE didn't sit right with him, so even if there was some retaliation in the vote timing, there was actual reason for it as well.

Wait. What? So Genny gets a pass for PMing you, but the game 2 nooblet doesn’t? I don’t get why you’re still pushing MKG.

This was directed at Cyndia and strikes me as a reasonable point to make.

Also I think it’s pretty rich that she voted for me, calling me opportunistic:
When I didn’t have my vote on anyone, and she literally just sheeped your vote almost immediately after you made it, with this faulty logic:
I hadn’t even voted to yeet her yet, I was calling her out for refusing to post any wolf reads, which is true and continues to be true.

More talking to April about genny and the opportunistic comment.

Then we have where he got angry about the comment jaboo made about him at yeet. I have to admit that I thought that was an odd comment too - I think many of us were present at yeet and not necessarily posting because the thread was blowing up so fast. I do think it was odd to call him out specifically, but I don't think it was something wolfy by jaboo. I don't think that Zenge's anger about it was necessarily wolfy either, but I'll also put that on these posts specifically, I'm a little biased because he was very hangry and cranky IRL at this time and I think that bled over into his posts a bit.

Spoiler: Responses to jaboo's lurk comment

You’re seriously jumping on a bandwagon of attacking me for being online at yeet close?

I’d like you to expand on this and please, be as specific as possible.

It was not really a bandwagon, it was a comment by jaboo and then April said something.

Okay.

When the majority of the roster is here at yeet close, why do you think calling me out for also being here, and using sketchy associated words like “lurking” isn’t an attack? Please be as specific as possible because I don’t honestly believe you can’t understand that.

I also can’t believe that you don’t think adding to that comment and saying I’ve been “giving you bad vibes all game” isn’t adding fuel to the fire. Explain to me why you think that your comment isn’t an escalating one.

Jaboo, I’d like you to explain this comment you made:

When the majority of the roster is online at yeet close, why did you feel the need to single me out for also being here, and specifically to throw shade on me by intentionally using negative language like lurking?

I still don’t understand how you could see what Jaboo did as anything other than an attack trying to throw shade on me. Like, yes, I was here at yeet close, with everyone else. I was eating dinner, and I didn’t feel like I had a lot to contribute. It was hard enough just to stay up to date with how fast the thread was expanding. But it was only me who was singled out for being here and “lurking in the shadows” That’s an attack.

Im sorry if saying you were being obtuse was over the line, but it genuinely felt like you were stone walling by refusing to acknowledge how that’s perceived as an attack, and how you piling on for something so innocuous was adding fuel to the fire.

Dear god, that might be the biggest post I've ever made.
tl;dr: I have a wolfy side of neutral lean on Zenge right now. I let some things slide yesterday based on his tone in previous games, but I'd like to see more analysis from him today and less arguing with people.

 

[pawprintsandponytails]

I was mostly referring to the noob game where there was little to no escalated conflict.

catching up, but lord the conflict in this game really caught me off guard -- I can agree our noob game was chill I feel like compared to the 20+ pages of arguments from D1

 

[Crayola227]

Zenge is continuing to not make me feel any better about him. He went from overly formal and friendly to very reactive and aggro when slightly pushed and I don't know where that's coming from. That isn't village!Zenge.

AM is moving into my neutrals, I am no longer getting the same overly-aggro and distorting vibes I did last game. Starting to think she is probably village.

Still not a fan of Kata's unexplained vote on me. I don't care if you vote for me, that's cool. But with no explanation, especially when asked twice and I know she was here? Come on, that's straight up anti-village.

I think you make great points about Zenge. Agree that he seems a bit different this game. Trying to reconcile that with changes in tone from other noobs like yourself, Shorty, Visc, Please, and mkg, all who seem a little different to me. Trying to work out wolfy vs noob maturation.

Although I'm not seeing what gameplay from AM recently (I don't see much in the last however many hours) is making you move her village. I have AM in neutrals. My point isn't that I sus her beyond baseline amounts of sus, this for me isn't about "why don't you see her wolfiness" but more that I'm wondering the sincerity of your read on her, not its accuracy.

 

[Lupin21]

vote vetplease

I feel like this may be where the wolf on the board was. I wish alissa had made it on to defend. I almost switched to this last night, so will do today.

 

[Crayola227]

Night 1



When I got here I thought, well, who wants to go and splice up their genes, you know? Like wouldn't that be pretty dangerous? But you know, these plasmids have actually come in pretty handy. It's hard making a living down here sometimes. Easier when you can take what you need. A little telekinesis and the cash is right in your hands.

She smiled, a bit of pocket change in her hand, snatched right from under the nose of one of those lumbering metal men. He hadn't even noticed until she'd already crept away. She lit up a cigarette while she sauntered back to her own room. She never made it. Her body was discovered in the morning, pinned to a wall with several kitchen knives.

Dead is @Aprilthearab, who was Diane Barone, a village thief, who could sneak into another player's room every night and steal a bit of their cash or loot.

~~~


There is no shooting range down here, but that's ok. Some days the whole city is an exercise in target practice.

He felt the power of the gene tonic course through his veins, but he'd spent all his cash on the upgrade and didn't have enough left over to buy himself a gun—typical lack of forethought. But there had to be guns lying around this place somewhere, right? People were so careless. He looted a few trash cans and had just come upon a baby stroller that looked to have something hard and metallic in it...but someone brought a knife to the gunfight, and fortunately for them, they caught the gunslinger empty-handed.

Dead is @Barkley13, who was Casper Waverly, a village weapons expert who could use weapon items to their full potential

~~~



I could have gone along with the rest. Spliced up, forgot who I was, gotten so lost in my addiction that I no longer saw how the great utopia around me crumbled. But no, I didn't want to forget. If I forgot, I'd never get her back. My little girl, the one who was taken from me and turned into a monster. I didn't want to forget her. So I stayed away from ADAM, from plasmids and gene tonics. And I vowed to take down the organization that funded my daughter's transformation.

The woman wept into her pillow. Her daughter turned into a creature who no longer recognized her, her husband, killed while trying to get her back. It was too much. None of the peace and joy that she had been promised when they came to this god-forsaken place. She wondered if the pain would ever end. In the quiet of the night, someone ended it for her, with a single bullet to the brain.

Dead is @sunshinefl, who was Jaida Engelhart, a vanilla villager

It is now Day 2. Vote closes at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland on Thursday, March 4th.

22 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Zenge142
4. @Dinashadow
5. @pawprintsandponytails

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy
14. @SportPonies

Hephaestus
15. @genny
16. @mkg323
17. @Cyndia

Olympus Heights
19. @Ms Procrastinator
20. @Viscernable
21. @alleycat03
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. @katashark
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager

​

This reads like April successfully stole some money before dying.​

 

[pawprintsandponytails]

I feel that we need to hear significantly more from @alleycat03, @Chaostrodon, @katashark, @LetItSnow and @pawprintsandponytails.

Specifically, I'd like Kata to start by justifying her vote from today.

Alley's posted spreadsheet has mostly just statements and fluffy commentary and I am not sure if she ever truly caught up? so I can't really use it to read. I feel like she hasn't really tried at all so far.

Similar vibe with pawprints - fair bit of fluff and hedge, though she honestly just feels like a noob.

Chaos has posted since I started writing this so, cool.

busted, noob. Ill work on better explanations for my reads.

 

[Lupin21]

Also, those giving me **** for my instant towny read can suck it. haha

 

[Crayola227]

vote vetplease

I feel like this may be where the wolf on the board was. I wish alissa had made it on to defend. I almost switched to this last night, so will do today.

I'm going to try to keep up with posts as they come, while also catching up on about 10 pages of thread, before finalizing the reads I have.

But based on what I've seen, I see no reason to come off my Please vote from yesterday. I do have other wolf suspects and I want to see if any of them come out wolfier than Please after catch up.

##### vote Please ####

 

[Lawpy]

busted, noob. Ill work on better explanations for my reads.

Wait how is Trouts a noob? And why is she busted? Or why are you busted?

 

[jaboo]

I had added plenty of posts and content throughout the day. I made it clear why I was voting where I was, and had no plans to change, and I didn’t change.

Remember, I joined about an hour before close. So that content I did not see.

I’m not going to keep fighting with you about this because it’s unproductive, but it’s a pretty ridiculous attack IMO.

Your definition of “attack” is super exaggerated.