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We're supposed to get a gigantic snow storm tomorrow (you know it's bad when the Canadians are scared of it) and I may or may not have internet access so I'm going to send in some contingency votes just in case.

DocEspana said:
kaydubs? I actually know a little bit about her and still find this lynch very tempting. my demand for the blood of criminal characters must be sated.
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This is contradictory to what you were saying about using deaths to provide information to the remaining villagers. Killing another criminal will likely net us the same result it did FFM and Lissa - they're in the blue group. I don't see us learning much more from killing more criminals frankly, and this would sway my vote away from kaydubs if anything.

That being said, I think lynching Samoa is a safe play at this point. If she really is unlynchable or we need to kill someone else first, we're giving ourselves another round to gather information without losing a potential villager. If she is lynchable, well, good for us. lynch Samoa./
 
Hi guise. I got my cell phone working with the SDN app. Still shut out though on computer ...

Dyachei has things under control. I will forward her the writeup again when Lynch is closed....later.
 
DocEspana said:
kaydubs? I actually know a little bit about her and still find this lynch very tempting. my demand for the blood of criminal characters must be sated.
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I have to agree with TRH.... not sure how this furthers your goal... if we just lynch another criminal....

makes me want to lynch you .... really

hmmmmm
 
StartingoverVet said:
Hi guise. I got my cell phone working with the SDN app. Still shut out though on computer ...

Dyachei has things under control. I will forward her the writeup again when Lynch is closed....later.
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I was having issues earlier, too. I deleted all SDN related cookies and it seems to working fine since then; maybe that's what you need to do!
 
devyn said:
I have to agree with TRH.... not sure how this furthers your goal... if we just lynch another criminal....

makes me want to lynch you .... really

hmmmmm
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If Carbon hadn't spoken up for him I'd be more gung-ho about it. But she didn't say he was a villager, just a non-wolf. So it's mighty tempting to me too.
 
Yeah. I'm perfectly happy to lynch someone other than Samoa ... I agree with the general consensus that it seems unlikely to work.

And I also find DocE's argument weird ... he's been stomping his feet about finding new info and lynching people to do it ... and then all the sudden wants to lynch someone that as best we all know will turn up blue and give us no new info. Seems seriously odd.

Anyway. I'll flip my vote if someone gives me a reason I find compelling. Even if it's just "to get new info" ... that's fine, but I want a reason that the person we're lynching will actually give us useful info.
 
Official Lynch Tally:
Samoa 5 (LIS, nyanko, philliab, ffm, sns)
Philliab 2 (escalla, kaydubs)
Jojo 1 (medicane)
nyanko 1 (dvmd)
devyn 1 (doce)
escalla 1 (dds)
kaydubs 1 (jojo)
dvmd 1 (lupin)
doce 1 (trh)

14/21 lynches are in

Waffles: 6

Lynch deadline 7:40 pm
 
that redhead said:
We're supposed to get a gigantic snow storm tomorrow (you know it's bad when the Canadians are scared of it) and I may or may not have internet access so I'm going to send in some contingency votes just in case.


This is contradictory to what you were saying about using deaths to provide information to the remaining villagers. Killing another criminal will likely net us the same result it did FFM and Lissa - they're in the blue group. I don't see us learning much more from killing more criminals frankly, and this would sway my vote away from kaydubs if anything.

That being said, I think lynching Samoa is a safe play at this point. If she really is unlynchable or we need to kill someone else first, we're giving ourselves another round to gather information without losing a potential villager. If she is lynchable, well, good for us. lynch Samoa./
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You realize Lissa's role served only to harm the villager cause and there is decent, though incomplete, evidence FFM's role does as well. It would help us figure out if all criminals harm the villager cause or if Lissa was an anomoly and the highly suspicious aspect of FFM's role was more SOV having fun at our expense than reality (right now I work on the assumption it is reality and everyone is ignoring what SOV straight out said about the role)
 
LetItSnow said:
Yeah. I'm perfectly happy to lynch someone other than Samoa ... I agree with the general consensus that it seems unlikely to work.

And I also find DocE's argument weird ... he's been stomping his feet about finding new info and lynching people to do it ... and then all the sudden wants to lynch someone that as best we all know will turn up blue and give us no new info. Seems seriously odd.

Anyway. I'll flip my vote if someone gives me a reason I find compelling. Even if it's just "to get new info" ... that's fine, but I want a reason that the person we're lynching will actually give us useful info.
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You realize I can talk to Kaydubs. So perhaps I know more about her than just she is a criminal by her own claim.
 
DocEspana said:
You realize Lissa's role served only to harm the villager cause and there is decent, though incomplete, evidence FFM's role does as well. It would help us figure out if all criminals harm the villager cause or if Lissa was an anomoly and the highly suspicious aspect of FFM's role was more SOV having fun at our expense than reality (right now I work on the assumption it is reality and everyone is ignoring what SOV straight out said about the role)
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I don't argue that Lissa's role especially was potetntially harmful to the villager cause. Jury's still out on FFM. But unless we lynch every single criminal (which we'll never be sure we've done until the end of the game), we won't figure out if all criminals have potentially harmful roles or not. So instead of wasting our time barking up that tree, I think we're best served by branching out.
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh. Well. I'd interpret "not a wolf" as meaning villager. When you said "non-wolf," I thought Carbon had chosen that language specifically. But Carbon's original post looks innocuous to me.
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In this particular game, with so many non-wolf groups, I don't necessarily interpret it that way. But since she's saying villager now, I can let it go. I just find DocE's reasoning relatively weak compared to what I've seen from him before and it makes me suspicious. I won't argue with presumably solid information though.

unlynch DocE
lynch Samoa (sorry mods)
 
DocEspana said:
You realize Lissa's role served only to harm the villager cause and there is decent, though incomplete, evidence FFM's role does as well. It would help us figure out if all criminals harm the villager cause or if Lissa was an anomoly and the highly suspicious aspect of FFM's role was more SOV having fun at our expense than reality (right now I work on the assumption it is reality and everyone is ignoring what SOV straight out said about the role)
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A truly awesome wolfhunter should have a strategy better than this. Do you want me to go WS on everyone settling for lynching criminals? If criminals are beneficial to the wolves, use that info to try and catch a wolf.
 
that redhead said:
I don't argue that Lissa's role especially was potetntially harmful to the villager cause. Jury's still out on FFM. But unless we lynch every single criminal (which we'll never be sure we've done until the end of the game), we won't figure out if all criminals have potentially harmful roles or not. So instead of wasting our time barking up that tree, I think we're best served by branching out.
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3 for 3 is a pretty good trend.
We are 1 for 2 on criminals having actively harmful powers and 2 for 2 on mods implying their powers are actively harmful.

I dont know how I feel about kaydubs because she appears to be very straight with me. BUT... stuff isnt adding up with her. And its not related to her being a criminal by her own admission. Thats just an extra detail that "even if she isnt a wolf, a useful datapoint is gained". Repeating Samoa is just treading water until someone comes up with some more info on how that works. The way I see it the choices are

c) anyone but Samoa or a known criminal
b) A known criminal (kaydubs works) to see if criminals go 3 for 3 on powers being purely negative
c) Samoa

These are in order of best to worst. I'm only preferential to B now because it answers a question sitting in my back yard. A would (potentially. assuming we dont get a regular villager) give more robust info. C just feels like a total waste of time to me right now and a nearly-certain horrible move with a small potential of amazing success that puts my foot in my mouth.
 
DocEspana said:
3 for 3 is a pretty good trend.
We are 1 for 2 on criminals having actively harmful powers and 2 for 2 on mods implying their powers are actively harmful.
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You're stretching the truth to convince people, and it's stupid. Lissa's power was blocking. That's not necessarily hurtful to villagers. It can be. Just like a villager assassin can be. But to try and imply, like you're doing, that it's a role ability that will somehow necessarily hurt villagers .... you're overreaching. And it makes me super suspicious. I'm about to the point of disregarding Carbon's vouching and just lynching you to find out what's going on. Or lynching Carbon to find out if the vouch is real or not.

DocEspana said:
b) A known criminal (kaydubs works) to see if criminals go 3 for 3 on powers being purely negative
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Blocking is "purely negative"? That's just crazy talk, dude. I get that you don't like blocking, but "purely negative" would be something that can only hurt villagers. And that damn well doesn't apply to blocking and you know it.
 
****lynch dds****

His pigheadedness is getting old and is frankly suspicious to me.


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From what I recall, it was tossed around lissa could block team arrow's protector (in which case, that would definitely be bad), but that was never actually verified..
 
Official Lynch Tally:
Samoa 6 (LIS, nyanko, philliab, ffm, sns, trh)
Philliab 2 (escalla, kaydubs)
Jojo 1 (medicane)
nyanko 1 (dvmd)
devyn 1 (doce)
escalla 1 (dds)
kaydubs 1 (jojo)
dvmd 1 (lupin)
dds 1 (dwin)

15/21 lynches are in

Waffles: 7

Lynch deadline 7:40 pm
 
Cyndia said:
From what I recall, it was tossed around lissa could block team arrow's protector (in which case, that would definitely be bad), but that was never actually verified..
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She could only block Diggle. Presumably he is able to protect if the message was correct. But this was verified in her lynch write-up.
 
DocEspana said:
3 for 3 is a pretty good trend.
We are 1 for 2 on criminals having actively harmful powers and 2 for 2 on mods implying their powers are actively harmful.

I dont know how I feel about kaydubs because she appears to be very straight with me. BUT... stuff isnt adding up with her. And its not related to her being a criminal by her own admission. Thats just an extra detail that "even if she isnt a wolf, a useful datapoint is gained". Repeating Samoa is just treading water until someone comes up with some more info on how that works. The way I see it the choices are

c) anyone but Samoa or a known criminal
b) A known criminal (kaydubs works) to see if criminals go 3 for 3 on powers being purely negative
c) Samoa

These are in order of best to worst. I'm only preferential to B now because it answers a question sitting in my back yard. A would (potentially. assuming we dont get a regular villager) give more robust info. C just feels like a total waste of time to me right now and a nearly-certain horrible move with a small potential of amazing success that puts my foot in my mouth.
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It's not at all 3/3 and it's barely 1/2. Lissa could have been harmful, sure, and I share your feelings on blockers. But that doesn't mean she was outright only harmful to villagers. FFM has yet to be seen and could swing either way at this point. If you're suspicious of kaydubs, fair enough. But to say lynching for being a criminal is a good idea is pretty contradictory to what you were saying earlier. I imagine kaydubs has a similarly ambiguous role description and it won't help us much at all.

Also, how does lynching someone who could be bad but is probably unlynchable a waste of time? We don't necessarily learn anything but we don't kill off another non-wolf number. It's frustrating not getting much info back from kills right now, but we've clearly got a couple other sources out there so it isn't as though we're truly twiddling our thumbs with no hope for the future. Pushing forward just because you're impatient for some action is silly.
 
Oh whoops, sorry I forgot that it'd specifically mentioned Diggle. Yeah, in that case she was definitely harmful to the villagers (assuming diggle is a villager).
 
that redhead said:
It's not at all 3/3 and it's barely 1/2. Lissa could have been harmful, sure, and I share your
feelings on blockers. But that doesn't mean she was outright only harmful to villagers. FFM has yet to be seen and could swing either way at this point. If you're suspicious of kaydubs, fair enough. But to say lynching for being a criminal is a good idea is pretty contradictory to what you were saying earlier. I imagine kaydubs has a similarly ambiguous role description and it won't help us much at all.
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I know you're about to post "ooooooh" when you see the other posts. but yea. Lissa could only be harmful to the villager cause due to specifics of her role power. FFM's role said he was hacking for someone and didnt reveal who, but it appears he was hacking team arrow. I admit it could swing either way. Im suspicious of kaydubs due to finding stuff she says hard to believe. Her being a criminal just means I can use her data point to make sense of it all with FFM.

Also, how does lynching someone who could be bad but is probably unlynchable a waste of time? We don't necessarily learn anything but we don't kill off another non-wolf number. It's frustrating not getting much info back from kills right now, but we've clearly got a couple other sources out there so it isn't as though we're truly twiddling our thumbs with no hope for the future. Pushing forward just because you're impatient for some action is silly.
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The game is (generally, obviously game-by-game mechanics changes things) slightly in the wolves favor by default if balanced correctly. By *not* killing someone you lower your odds more than killing someone. This isnt even my math. This is from absurd satisticians I went to undergrad with who would actively simulate games and test this theory. A villager failure to kill hurts you more (Despite leaving someone alive) than a villager being lynched. I believe it has to do with the fact that you'll go back for eternity trying to figure out if the person is a wolf and learning nothing for a turn while the wolves basically get a free turn. Obviously this requires wolves killing someone, which we dont have either. hahaha we are treading water.
 
Cyndia said:
His death writeup specifically said that he could hack queen consolidated, which I thought sounded pretty anti-team arrow.
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I'm not saying he's for sure a good guy, I'm expressing my doubt that he is definitely bad. I wouldn't be surprised to be disproved but until then, I'm not going to let that persuade me to go on a criminal hunt when there are wolves in the game.
 
that redhead said:
I'm not saying he's for sure a good guy, I'm expressing my doubt that he is definitely bad. I wouldn't be surprised to be disproved but until then, I'm not going to let that persuade me to go on a criminal hunt when there are wolves in the game.
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Fair enough. I agree with you anyways, criminals will probably need to be gotten rid of later, and I would prefer hunting wolves now as well.. Though if given the choice between trying to relynch samoa and lynching a criminal, I would pick a criminal right now.
 
DocEspana said:
I know you're about to post "ooooooh" when you see the other posts.

Obviously this requires wolves killing someone, which we dont have either. hahaha we are treading water.
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:laugh: See above.

And if the wolves were actively killing people at night, I'd go for a kill of someone I felt more sure would die. But with them stalled, I'm more inclined to pass a round and see what other information we can gather.
 
DocEspana said:
If you dont want it to be necessary you might want to really fight for kaydubs to not be lynched then.
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are you trying to feck up the game? get important info out on thread that perhaps should not be.....

cause that is what I see this as.... a unnecessary threat

my roll is important... your WW tactics are less than spectacular this game
 
haha well im out of novel info or opinions here. I feel bad being a widowmaker for my own teammates, but lets recap

Kaydubs makes me feel odd unrelated her to role alignment. Its not a criminal hunt, it just happens to help answer a question I have about them.
Lissa = bad news bears but also = not a wolf. So make of it what you will
FFM = hacks team arrow. Who would want that info? draw your own conclusions, there is no evidence at the moment.
Samoa = seems to be a tough SOB. And is maybe converting?
Carbon = 😍😍😍
me = I rather like me.
Everyone else = whatever floats all your boats.

Id really rather lynch devyn because she is being all sorts of off, but I'll leave that until later if she claims to be useful and others have interest in lynching kaydubs.
 
Really having a hard time deciding what to do, but I guess I should **** or get off the pot so I will go with the potentially useless lynch samoa mostly because I feel somewhat obligate since I am the one who brought it up.
 
I could get on board with a Devyn lynch. Since she is always hostile the second you throw a lynch vote at her (whether she's a villager or a wolf), I don't really let it sway my voting.

I really could get on board with just about any lynch. But lynching another criminal just to find out they are a criminal that counts as a villager ... that's criminal, in my mind.
 
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