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My head is buzzing. I really wanted one of you and Moose. I had her down as firm village if Genny flipped wolf.
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My head is buzzing. I really wanted one of you and Moose. I had her down as firm village if Genny flipped wolf.
I feel like I'm being tortured. You both were wishy washy on the vote last night and your voting histories are similarly distressing.
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I'm sorry I'm not trying to laugh at your suffering but this is a hilarious way to phrase it
Ugh I'm awake now
Sorry, no fancy formatting this time, hope y'all's eyes don't bleed also sorry in advance if I quote any of the same posts mayo did in his readthrough- just trying to be thorough. This is through page 3.
(also for the record I would like to say I know the timing looks weird for several of my posts, but I was on my phone at that time and it takes a few minutes, if at all, to do the "view new unread posts" thing as opposed to my computer which takes like 15 seconds. This was genuinely me formulating my own thoughts, posting my post, and then seeing someone else had just said the same thing.)
also sorry in advance if I quote any of the same posts mayo did in his readthrough- just trying to be thorough. This is through page 3."hmm" react from genny here, not sure if I want to place too much stock into reactions but it can't hurt to note.
Questioning a sole vote on genny fairly early in the day.
This is to Wondering, and seems to be the only post on D1 that actually gives a read on her- could be that the NK was related to wanting to "prove" a correct read or could be something else entirely, just speculation.
In the interest of being thorough, I'm quoting pertinent mayo posts as well. I've been following the MU championships and one term I've picked up is "derp clear", which is where someone makes some kind of comment that is so entirely wrong that they just can't be a wolf- I think it was being used in the context of "wait, mafia can PM in the day this game?". This could be a derp clear or a "derp clear" but I think it feels pretty organic tbh.
Not wanting to vote genny in order to start a wagon in earnest; second half of the sentence feels like "I'm waiting for a good justification to come up so I can jump on someone else".
Interesting reasoning given that Kota her(? god Kota what pronouns do you use again)self had just made a light defense of genny by questioning why someone was voting her. Again with the theme of "I need somewhere to put my vote so it doesn't appear suspicious".
Suspicions for me, but not enough to vote me? Just enough to throw shade while sticking to mayo.
(also for the record I would like to say I know the timing looks weird for several of my posts, but I was on my phone at that time and it takes a few minutes, if at all, to do the "view new unread posts" thing as opposed to my computer which takes like 15 seconds. This was genuinely me formulating my own thoughts, posting my post, and then seeing someone else had just said the same thing.)
At this point, genny has 2 votes and is tied for the lead at a little over 1.5 hours til close. This is frankly a weird time to be casting solo unreasoned votes when other people are putting votes with reasoning and questioning each other about them. It's clearly not a vote designed to actually vote out someone- no one's gonna jump on the "well you're here" wagon when there are actual wagons forming, and as a kind of "placeholder" read it gives genny the opportunity to swap to someone else closer to day close once she's gotten a feel of the currents of the game.
This post was I believe directed to Kota about Wondering and is I think the only other time someone else offered an opinion about Wondering, this time being NAI. I guess this could be shade but it's like... not wrong.
There's no reasoning for this swap through page 3- not sure if she finally clarifies it on a further page. But this is what I meant in one of the paragraphs above- her Kota vote served as a springboard for her to jump onto someone who already had a fair amount of shade getting thrown her way.
Up to page 3, this is I think the only actual game-related participation genny does besides her votes. Just wanted to note the identity of the wolfread she's questioning.
Some BC things that stood out.
This could be nothing, or it could be a roundabout way of trying to get people off of their D1 Genny vote (ie if it's unfair to vote for Sunni due to inactivity then it's unfair to vote for Genny).
This vote looked bad to me at the time as helping to shift numbers off of Moose. I guess less bad now, but it did help consolidate votes onto a villager.
These posts are the main thing in your village column for me. From what I understand more activity is generally considered good for the village.
Because you are the wolf? Otherwise, hope you are hungry lol
Oops. I think I quoted the wrong thing here. I, um, hope your nap was restful.
This stood out to me. Either you came out and outed your strategy for exactly what you did today (pit Kota and mayo against each other) or Kota is playing mind games
This could be nothing, or it could be a roundabout way of trying to get people off of their D1 Genny vote (ie if it's unfair to vote for Sunni due to inactivity then it's unfair to vote for Genny).
This vote looked bad to me at the time as helping to shift numbers off of Moose. I guess less bad now, but it did help consolidate votes onto a villager.
These posts are the main thing in your village column for me. From what I understand more activity is generally considered good for the village.
Because you are the wolf? Otherwise, hope you are hungry lol
Oops. I think I quoted the wrong thing here. I, um, hope your nap was restful.
This stood out to me. Either you came out and outed your strategy for exactly what you did today (pit Kota and mayo against each other) or Kota is playing mind games
@Kota1000 would love to hear what you are thinking
Page 4!
genny further questioning I think 3m's wolfread of mayo.
Shading 3m, again without backing it up with a vote.
Here's genny's justification for the Moose vote, idk why I quoted this but oh well enjoy
More defending genny. Bolded phrase is weird- it's okay to vote genny early on in the day, but not when it actually matters?
This is more of the genny defense stuff. Shade on Moose for having weird reasoning but still not moving her vote.
So now Kota is her village read? From zero reasoning vote to zero reasoning village read.
Okay, did we ALL defend genny D1???? mayo please what is this wishy-washiness ("yeah well she could be a busy wolf- and has been before- but ehh let's not do that tonight"). Now I'm stressed.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I don't remember the exact context but I think this is a continued shading of 3m as opposed to a defense- "she's not acting like her village self, and I would expect her to not act like her village self as a noob wolf".
Page 5. Gonna take a break soon for dinner, will be back to analyze more or discuss depending on what y'all are up to.
Well now we know these were all village wagons lmao
Oh I lied! Here's a wolfread about Wondering. Kota references this later on when discussing the NK.
For all of Kota's "Moose has bad reasoning", she still didn't vote here even to tie it up? In hindsight I'm surprised I didn't notice this.
Now I'm like the fifth person to get lightly shaded by Kota D1 lol. Why are me and mayo wolfy for voting close together- is it a pure timing thing, why would this be suspicious for wolvery when either of us could've tipped the wagon onto Moose instead? Is this a Moose/(me or mayo) team she's come up with?
Still mayo after all of the Moose shade... honestly I would've been more sus of Moose as the counterwagon to a villager as opposed to one of the people tipping the counterwagon.
Ahhh, the neutral read, a wolf's best friend for evaluating their teammate while still retaining the ability to cut their losses. Interested about the "well I have genny as neutral but @ Moose again why did you want to vote there".
mayo shade
Again on the neutral read for genny. Neutral for Moose is interesting though- would've guessed wolf lean with the line of questioning. Also this might be NAI but "slight wolf lean" as compared to "village read" is pretty noncommital.
Good lord another neutral read on genny, plus the "hope she talks more today so I can have a better idea!!". Rereading this thread just makes me more unhappy lmao
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I need to take a breather, in the meantime please hit me up with comments, questions, and concerns!
Idk why specifically I quoted this but here y'all go I guess
I'm referencing me asking Wondering for more info about her mayo vote and then Wondering getting NKed before she could fully answer. I still wish I could have this answer but oh well
Wait, wasn't the issue that she didn't like mayo's lines of thought? Now I'm confused.
Now genny is anti-village!Kota? After Kota was one of her 3 village reads the night before? Maybe I'm misinterpreting this post but I gotta say it feels like distancing.
Why? Do we ever find out? I don't remember.
I think Moose already remarked on this but yeah WIFOM
Talking voting genny, Kota, or 3m, chooses 3m. I think that choice is in line with his reads list (posts are blurring together) so that makes sense but I thought I was lower on his reads list than some of the other folks in this new POE? Why am I not in the POE then?
I quoted this because look how cute we all are on the same wagon 😍
I need to take a breather, in the meantime please hit me up with comments, questions, and concerns!
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Can you explain your vote last night. You stayed on the Moose vote until seconds before it was too late. Why?
@Kota1000 same question, but you didn't change. Why?
I believe you both said you had Genny as a wolf read. Why not take the safe vote?
I really really really thought it was Moose/genny. No one was agreeing with me about Moose, people were reading me scummier and scummier as the day went on, and I just knew I'd be kept alive today so people could use that against me. I really thought Moose was bussing genny, and it's so late in the game that that would pretty much clear her. Then I saw genny voted Moose at the last minute instead of me, and I totally froze because why would she vote Moose if they're w/w when I could've been a tied counterwagon instead. I mean I guess she could've thought I was poised to switch my vote with a prewritten post (which I was) if she voted me whereas Moose was already voting for her, idk.
Not to get totally WIFOMy here, but like... y'all realize I didn't *have* to switch my vote there, right? I was frantically refreshing in another tab to see if Kota was going to fully change her vote (and I'm still wondering why she didn't tbh), I could've easily waited til I'd seen the "vote closed" post, quickly posted my post, and had a 50% chance of winning via RNG if I were a wolf plus the plausible deniability today if it didn't work. genny's vote on Moose gave me just enough doubt about my Moose read that I switched over when I unfroze. But I just as easily could've not done that if I chose.
Okay, I didn’t quote every question/quote directed at me. But here’s what I can remember -
Firstly, pronouns are she/her
Second, I had genny in my neutral reads for D1/early D2 because they barely posted at all. I didn’t mean to sound like I was defending her, but I did want to know people thoughts on why they were voting genny as opposed to other players that had more content to analyze. I tried to switch my vote last night to genny, but forgot to unvote cause I was tired.
I really feel like BC is grasping to make an argument against me to get me mis-voted, a lot of her analysis seems like I reach. Also, your Mayo quotes were very low compared to my quotes, which is also why I feel like your trying to get me misvoted.
Mayo, I think Genny’s suspicion of you early in the game pretty much clears you, unless you and her had a whole plan worked out N1.
I’m sorry I was absent like all day, I had to work and didn’t have time to look at my phone. I will try to do isoing after dinner
Sorry, I'm not trying to make you feel cherry-picked, you have more posts than mayo in general and I honestly think he's cleared anyway- I was adding some quotes from him for thoroughness, not intended to be a balanced sampling. As for the analysis, that's just the interpretation I'm getting- I think shading any person who walks by while not really putting any weight behind it is a more typically wolf strategy to sow discord amongst the villagers and keep your options open for votes to jump onto. Doesn't mean it can't be village, but especially in such a small game, wolves hate to limit themselves to just a few options.
@BigCats 1-800-IMA-WOLF is apparently one of those medical alert necklace companies
I didn’t intentionally shade anyone, I was just expressing my thoughts about people. If my posting style comes off as that it’s not intentional.
Also, in my experience and reading of previous games villagers usually tend to flip flop between votes or reads and wolves tend to stick with one or a few people, but okay.
Omg stopppppp
Got interrupted for dinner before I could finish my thoughts- in the practice game, the way I got such a strong village read on (ironically) genny was that I'd done some super suspicious stuff, and she noted that, but then said she still didn't want to vote me for some reason. I think someone asked me why I village read her so strongly in that game and I told them that in my experience, wolves aren't looking to narrow the pool- they'll be able to see both sides of something but they'll usually lean it wolfy to keep their options open. Villagers are much more likely to say "I'm not going to vote so-and-so even though they did something shady"- villagers want to narrow the pool of scum suspects. Town wins by finding each other and eliminating the rest- it's a numbers game, and if everyone is a suspect, it's much much harder to actually find wolves. That's why I think nuanced thoughts that don't culminate in a scumread are more likely to be village- of course, there could be the possibility of a powerwolf keeping their teammates safe, but villagers don't want to be suspicious of everyone- they want to save that for the people who warrant it.
It is so much easier to say that everyone is a suspect as a wolf, because then as you flip-flop as opportunities arise, people aren't going to be able to say "hey why did you vote alissa when AM was on the roster too and you were village reading alissa but not AM?". It gives you more leeway to vote while avoiding the contradictions that can catch you later in the game.
My eyes are too strained to finish the rest of this post-by-post analysis, but I think mayo is rock-solid cleared here.
On that note, thanks for educating me on more WW technique. I suck at doing anything other then my normal posting type.
So what are you guys thinking if you had to put a vote in now and why?
Mine would be on BC because I feel like they haven’t had as strong of line of questioning this game as past games when they were village, the last minute switch to genny, tunneling moose and assuming they were village without really looking at other players. Mayo I am reading as village based on their interactions with genny and their VCA.
So what are you guys thinking if you had to put a vote in now and why?
Mine would be on BC because I feel like they haven’t had as strong of line of questioning this game as past games when they were village, the last minute switch to genny, tunneling moose and assuming they were village without really looking at other players. Mayo I am reading as village based on their interactions with genny and their VCA.
I think mayo is going to be the deciding vote here today lol- I don't think you and me are going to budge.
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Girl there is an hour and a half!!! What do you mean time 😆
Hey that's more than there usually is to thoroughly discuss wagons!
Girl same omg. I took like a 2.5 hour nap today- glorious and very much needed.
vote Kota
***wwarriors flashbacks***
Stop don't make me think about my secret wolfreads THAT WERE RIGHT
I wanna take a nap lol. I’ve been at the wildlife rehab center for like 12 hours lol. Waiting on more fawn bottles to heat
I might just be getting dazzled by the level of activity from BC, but I'm probably leaning voting for Kota tonight.
The vote last night is playing heavy, but the early interactions with Genny quoted by both of us also make me question things.
The vote last night is playing heavy, but the early interactions with Genny quoted by both of us also make me question things.
I am SO JEALOUS I want to bottle feed fawns 😢
No pressure or anything 😛
Ok. Dinner is here.
I'm going to
Vote Kota
So that I have something recorded. I'm going to have a drink and do some soul searching before close.
I'm going to
Vote Kota
So that I have something recorded. I'm going to have a drink and do some soul searching before close.
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Endgame Tally
BC (1) - Kota
Kota (2) - BC, mayo
3/3
vote close in ~1 hour
BC (1) - Kota
Kota (2) - BC, mayo
3/3
vote close in ~1 hour
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This is probably a weak argument, but I don’t have the time or desire to go through everything and try to build a case, so I’m just going to use the truth.
Honestly, I am telling you guys: I am not the last wolf! Whoever is the last remaining villager (Mayo?) please listen to me. I am not the wolf, I am simply a vanillager. Don’t you want to start the weekend off right and win the game? Please vote for BC...
Honestly, I am telling you guys: I am not the last wolf! Whoever is the last remaining villager (Mayo?) please listen to me. I am not the wolf, I am simply a vanillager. Don’t you want to start the weekend off right and win the game? Please vote for BC...
Honestly, if the wolf wanted to go ahead and vote for themself then that would really help things along for me
