CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

[Clem J]

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So I misread this last night--I thought shorty was talking about filling out a big-ass spreadsheet including reads and timing of votes and whatnot. I did that last game (when I was scum) and it took waaaay too much time. I will almost certainly keep track of tallies though, the inner mod in me is too compulsive to not have some idea of where the votes stands, even without threat of the hammer.

I was actually just walking into the office and weighing the pros and cons of going back and re-reading last night to see how it looks like not in real time BUT SOMEONE FINISHED ALL OF THE OFFICE COFFEE AND NOW I HAVE TO WALK TO BUY STARBUCKS LIKE A PLEBE


I'm not reading what you're saying as intense! Reads like someone who hasn't played in a while who has come back and is settling in like a nice warm blanket 🙂

Fat fingers. You can safely assume that whenever I do something ridiculous with the reacts, or post a sentence that ends in the middle of a thought, that the answer is I am old and

Extremely good joke, I chuckled

 

[GoSpursGo]

Clem, Alissa, shorty, fruit, beans town (I’m sure I’m off about one of them but not in POE currently)

CG, zenge scum

Unsure: apop,kitz

No read yet: the rest

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

This isn't one of your games tho smh

Pfffft my integrity is important to me Clemothy

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

ALL GAME TOWN,

all game all the time

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

Mason

Wait samac didn't use a pm role for an ability

sus

 

[Clem J]

Pfffft my integrity is important to me Clemothy

Ok you've convinced me

 

[Clem J]

Wait samac didn't use a pm role for an ability

sus

Yeah samac is obviously mafia lol

 

[kitzsuna]

Some morning thoughts b4 I have to leave for school: I'm taking fruit and Clem off of today's yeet list bc I really don't think either of them is scum currently.
Kitz and rae both have my interest atm - kitz bc of her reaction to shorty's aff exercise (I don't know if that was confusion or slight scum panic). Rae because I'm mildly suspicious of her claim that she used vanillager for aff. This may be a "beans not understanding CYO strategy" thing so if it is feel free to smack me but literally so many people have either discarded vanillager OR claimed to use it as aff - how likely is it that that many players were offered it as a role?

I had to ask my DMs if i was actually allowed to share my role haha

 

[Clem J]

Oh my god I forgot I can vote

 

[Clem J]

###vote samac###

@Animal Midwife

 

[kitzsuna]

Clem, Alissa, shorty, fruit, beans town (I’m sure I’m off about one of them but not in POE currently)

CG, zenge scum

Unsure: apop,kitz

No read yet: the rest

Wait why is zenge scum i just thought they were being bullied lol

 

[Clem J]

###vote samac###

@Animal Midwife

@kaydubs @Dr. ForgotToFlush

 

[GoSpursGo]

Wait why is zenge scum i just thought they were being bullied lol

That might be what @supershorty is doing, but I do legit think Zenge was quick to try and throw sus on other players. Not the only one, but it was loud to me.

And D1 is all vibes. I'm still trying to get a read on folks, but his vibes stuck out to me

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

Well.... there it is

idk if this is addressed later but what does this post mean, Zenge?

Wouldn't that just make you a prime NK? And you don't get any fun night actions

Wow this noob class is savage (said lovingly)

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

I'm historically not good at reading alissa, so I'm not sure how to feel about my gut vibe on her right now, but I'm leaning her slightly village and I historically always wolf read her, so maybe I'll trust the vibe for now

I agree with this as of page 6

I feel obligated to say that I would make that post as scum too, even though you're currently reading me correctly.

I laughed at this because it definitely still means you could be 3p and don't dispute that

 

[GoSpursGo]

Clem, Alissa, shorty, fruit, beans town (I’m sure I’m off about one of them but not in POE currently)

I'm gonna slightly back off on this, because going back to re-read the thread open... the pattern of voting is off for fruits. There is usually some sort of rhyme or reason on why fruits places a vote to put pressure on someone, here it looks like a lot of noise. Voting for multiple people who haven't even checked in, and then moving on before they do, is weird, even by fruits standards.

Actual content of posts when they offer thoughts is pretty good though. So move them to unsure group.

 

[WildZoo]

This has some actual analysis in it, but I don't want Alissa to click it until she's answered my question - however, I don't trust myself to retain the thought in my brain for later, and I don't care if the rest of y'all read it now lol.

Spoiler: Alissa, don't read this until...

Spoiler: you've answered the question

Spoiler: No, I'm serious

From my perspective, having never played with fruit but modded some of the games he's played, I feel like that level of vote throwing is less likely to be scum-motivated because it's very attention-getting and he never stayed on anyone long enough for anything resembling a wagon to form. I don't see a lot of benefit for scum to do that, especially in this game where scum can just scum hunt like they're village because THEY don't know what else is in the game either.

Since I've never been particularly good at reading alissa, I want to try and explore her thought processes more, because sleeping on it didn't leave me with any more solid understanding of why I feel like she's towny when I've never felt that way before.

Spoiler: idk if Alissa has answered yet

As a counterpoint, it would perhaps be easier for a scum-fruit to replicate his village meta (this is not just true for him but true for pretty much everyone) of bouncing around wildly when he can be pretty sure there is other scum to hunt (though in theory I suppose a CYO game could end up not being multiball?)

As a counterpoint to my counterpoint, that's still somewhat dangerous to do if he has partners since he's so reluctant to vote for them.

I haven't read like any of fruit's posts, I'm just being contrarian and double contrarian for fun.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm gonna slightly back off on this, because going back to re-read the thread open... the pattern of voting is off for fruits. There is usually some sort of rhyme or reason on why fruits places a vote to put pressure on someone, here it looks like a lot of noise. Voting for multiple people who haven't even checked in, and then moving on before they do, is weird, even by fruits standards.

Actual content of posts when they offer thoughts is pretty good though. So move them to unsure group.

Hmmm

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

Going to mildly rein in silly goosery

Never! Always let your freak goose shine!

Fun fact this is me being @SARdoghandler and being mildly tipsy on thread. Alas no one is left to mock my typos

I love that SAR is the one associated with drinking on thread now

Oh no am I the fun drunk aunt now? no actually I'm fine with that

 

[supershorty]

how likely is it that that many players were offered it as a role?

It's pure RNG so 12 people could get it, 0 people could get it. No MORE than 12 people could get it though.

 

[supershorty]

I shouldn't be on here during rounds so I'm just noting for myself that I haven't read past that beans post yet.

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

I shouldn't be on here during rounds so I'm just noting for myself that I haven't read past that beans post yet.

Its okay, it's mostly me and I just **** post so you can 100% skip all my posts forever probably

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

Oh no am I the fun drunk aunt now? no actually I'm fine with that

Also lets all be glad that drunk!SAR plays on her phone with the advantage of autocorrect because I think I'd be incoherent if I was typing on my computer without it. That's why you have to get me typing in all caps when I'm drunk, it breaks through the autocorrect censors hmmyes

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

Oh good I'm caught up finally. Clem and Alissa are going in my strong village pile. I think that's all I'm going to commit to for now

♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ yeet samac ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭

for now @kaydubs @Animal Midwife I'd @ ftf but I can't remember his username and don't feel like strugglebussing atm

 

[beans2020]

I'm willing to give kitz and rae the benefit of the doubt for now. Other than what I previously mentioned, neither of them have done anything particularly scummy. Spurs feels okay? I think I've shrunk my pool down to the following (mostly because I don't think I can say that any of these people have done something to make me certain they're village):
CG, genny, Dubz, samac, zenge

 

[GoSpursGo]

Oh good I'm caught up finally. Clem and Alissa are going in my strong village pile. I think that's all I'm going to commit to for now

♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ yeet samac ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭ ♭

for now @kaydubs @Animal Midwife I'd @ ftf but I can't remember his username and don't feel like strugglebussing atm

There is a . and a space after Dr. @Dr. ForgotToFlush

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

There is a . and a space after Dr. @Dr. ForgotToFlush

Ahhhh yes that is completely what fooled me up

 

[alissa14]

I'm scary?? 🥺

can confirm

 

[supershorty]

Its okay, it's mostly me and I just **** post so you can 100% skip all my posts forever probably

I don't think I'm a good enough player to form a read on someone without reading any of their posts pre-any-VCA

 

[supershorty]

sHORTY GET OFF SDN AND PAY ATTENTION TO ROUNDS

 

[GoSpursGo]

sHORTY GET OFF SDN AND PAY ATTENTION TO ROUNDS

lol pay attention! Catching up on WW is what Zoom meetings are for!

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

I don't think I'm a good enough player to form a read on someone without reading any of their posts pre-any-VCA

I can help with that

SAR - village

 

[supershorty]

lol pay attention! Catching up on WW is what Zoom meetings are for!

I don't have any of those today 😢

Rounds are done now. I had nothing to contribute bc I have no cases today nor any potential trial recruits, hence my struggle paying attention to them.

 

[supershorty]

I can help with that

SAR - village

Thank you, Janet.

 

[supershorty]

Wait why is zenge scum i just thought they were being bullied lol

My vote on Zenge is real.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

It's finals season, people should be relatively ch- MOTHER OF PEARL

 

[supershorty]

My vote on Zenge is real.

It didn't start out as real - HOWEVER, it became real because I don't buy that his interaction with CeeGee was genuine. I'd forgive that interaction from someone who hadn't played CYO before, but not from Zenge, who has, and who historically has a pattern as scum of pushing people I would consider low-hanging fruit. CeeGee has always been sketchy in each game I've watched her play in (I don't mean that in an offensive way, CeeGee, to be clear) and I think would be a relatively easy push.

Now, he didn't continue to push it, but it would have been difficult to given that it was verifiable that the role exists on the list. It was his initial reaction that gave me a ping, and while small, it's the most significant thing I have right now.

 

[supershorty]

It's finals season, people should be relatively ch- MOTHER OF PEARL

 

[supershorty]

who historically has a pattern as scum of pushing people I would consider low-hanging fruit

It is worth noting that from my observations, Zenge's play since WW restarted on SDN has been quite different from how he previously played, so I'm not sure this is still a valid way to read him. However. He made my nose hairs tickle.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Anyway, was drafting this in my role PM earlier for the people who haven't played CYO before.

Strategic things I've learned from previous CYOs:

Each time I've played CYO, it's been encouraged (first year by someone else, second year by me) for everyone to claim what role they used for AFFILIATION pretty early on. I wasn't sure about it the first year, but last year, it caught multiple people in lies (well, multiple people in the same lie lol #googate22 #electricgoogaloo). I will keep track of claims and make a public list once EVERYONE has claimed - if you want to keep track on your own, feel free, but PLEASE DO NOT POST A LIST OR RUNNING LIST UNTIL EVERYONE HAS CLAIMED, as it will make it harder to catch someone in a lie.

THIS IS TALKING ABOUT YOUR CHOICE FOR AFFILIATION, NOT ABILITY. DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ABILITY ROLE.

I used miller for my affiliation.

Also, I don't find speculation based on discards to be super helpful - if someone hates being scum and they discarded a scum role, for example, you don't know that they discarded it in favor of choosing a town role; they may just have rolled 3 scum. I don't think there's NO information to be gained from looking at people's discards - after all, you can help rule out some roles in the game pending what was discarded, but use a lot of caution attributing anything about affiliation to a discard choice.

I used vanilla townie

 

[GoSpursGo]

You can trust me as the village noob 😇

I dont know what im doing and will likely out myself and my night ability at some point lol

Flagging this too--"out myself and my night ability" would be redundant, unless there is something to out OTHER than night ability...

 

[supershorty]

Hold onto your hats, everyone! We're apparently in an all-town game! How unexpected!

I am disappoint that we did not have any GooGate this year, but we can't always get so lucky.

 

[apoptosis09]

Okay 17/17 aff claims

*Now* can I post my spreadsheet, dear thread lords? 🥺

 

[supershorty]

@GoSpursGo I feel like last game, you were suspicious of Clem pretty quickly and strongly, whereas right now, you're town reading him. Can you talk to me about the difference you're seeing from this game to last game?

 

[Clem J]

It's finals season, people should be relatively ch- MOTHER OF PEARL

Some of us need a distraction ok

 

[apoptosis09]

Hold onto your hats, everyone! We're apparently in an all-town game! How unexpected!

I am disappoint that we did not have any GooGate this year, but we can't always get so lucky.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Careful you don't hammer

I want to yeet shorty for the lulz but I don't want to lose track and unleash a hammer and then we are all sads

No hammer d1

Yeah maj doesn't kick in until D2

 

[Clem J]

It is worth noting that from my observations, Zenge's play since WW restarted on SDN has been quite different from how he previously played, so I'm not sure this is still a valid way to read him. However. He made my nose hairs tickle.

I mostly just read him on "is it day 3 and he's caught a scum? If yes town, if not probably kill"

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I chose cop lover for affiliation

I tried to look this up on the role site and mafiascumwiki instead immediately crashed, so

 

[WildZoo]

I mostly just read him on "is it day 3 and he's caught a scum? If yes town, if not probably kill"

Oh he's gonna hate this when he sees it