Last two years, I heard nothing from them until the first week of january. I believe it may have been Jan3rd last year. You'll get an email with a link to their decision portal. They don't interview, so by January you have your answer and can either stop worrying or move onto plan B!I applied, this is my in-state. I am keeping my fingers crossed that I get in, as I only live about 15 minutes away, but alas, I fear that my numbers aren't high enough
I don't believe we will be hearing anything from Cornell until they send out decision notices in early January. At least that's what their website says.
cowgirla is right - you won't hear anything until early Jan, when you get the decision. Which is relatively quick and painless, since you don't have to worry about interviews.
I didn't bother to re-apply this year - I did last year, even knowing my stats were too low to reasonably expect anything. *shrug*
Yup - that's a huge part of why I decided not to reapply, and why I was hesitant to apply the first time last year. I mean, not having to worry about the interview is great, but at the same time I know that I'm unlikely to be accepted solely based on my stats and a few extra short essays. Very short essays.I have mixed feelings about not having interviews. On one side, it is a painless yes or no and one less thing to stress over. On the other side, you could be rejected without them even getting the chance to actually meet you. :/
Well that is slightly encouraging. Except my hours are on the low end too because I didn't decide on vet school until my junior year of undergrad but there is nothing else I can do now! Thanks and I will definitely PM you if I have any questions!My grades weren't that great (look at the successful stats thread from last year) and I still got in albeit I went here for undergrad so I'm sure that played a small part in it. The best thing to do now is hope for the best. You'll definitely hear from them early Jan. Good luck and feel free to PM me as well with any questions.
Anyone have a good idea of how many seats are for OOS students? I'm applying to Cornell from California, but I am a legacy (don't know if that helps at all).
if i'm understanding your question correctly... no, you're not really given much of anything before the case-based instruction starts. we started the first case on the first or second day of class, so depending on your background in anatomy, there's a good chance you won't really know what's going on in the very beginning (but don't worry, no one does - during the first case, part of my group had an "argument" about what on the radiograph was the heart ). in general there is at least 1 (sometimes 2) case per body region (thorax, neck, head, abdomen, pelvis, pelvic limb, thoracic limb), and there is limited over lap between them. there are some moments of "oh yeah, that's kinda of like xyz in the last case!" but for the most part the cases are pretty self-contained. what helps to unite the cases into a big picture is anatomy lab, which is "synched up" with the cases (the week you do the case about the thorax, you'll be dissecting the thorax in lab). somehow all of the cases do come together to form a big picture, although i don't know if it's possible to really explain/put my finger on exactly how this happens. again, i think this is really thanks to your cadaver - because the cases you study are about all different animals (various breeds of dog, some cats, some horses) which can feel disjointed at times, but you're dissecting everything on a dog which somehow unites them. does that make any sense?Thank you so much for your reply, turnbackhelly! This is exactly what I was wondering about. It is great to hear your honest thoughts on the pbl system.
As a follow-up question, are you given a framework on which to build upon before jumping into specific cases (like anatomy, etc) or is all learning during the case-based period framed around individual cases? In other words, do you feel learning is very disjointed due to the case-based format or do cases complement each other (and are starting to form a "big picture")?
It seems like PBL could be so easily integrated into a more traditional lecture format. I like that Cornell has blocks of lecture thrown in, but I'd love to know their reasoning for separating the two learning styles out like that.On the flip side, I thought I was going to LOVE PBL and I actually don't like it too much. Like Turnback I just tolerate it and am thankful for the breaks we have from it. I learn better from studying on my own and when I'm given the specific material that I need to know. With that said, I DON'T regret going to Cornell because like my peer just said above, we're learning from awesome professors and getting a world class education. I say just be prepared to not like it and be realistic when it comes to your expectations of it. I also didn't like block 1 at all (still a bit bitter but I'll get over it) so that might also be a huge factor in me not liking PBL. Also, I had one person in my PBL group that I didn't really care for so that made it hard as well. Hopefully when block 3 starts in the spring and we have PBL again I will change my mind I'll definitely keep you posted though.
It's pretty simple - some material works with PBL, and other material doesn't. Things like anatomy (which is "block 1") and physiology (which is "block 3" - just arbitrary names Cornell uses to confuse everyone) lend themselves to case-based study because, well, there are real live cases about anatomy and physiology based diseases/problems. Block 2 (what we're in the middle of now) is completely lecture-based because it's Cell Biology and Genetics, which as I'm sure you'd agree doesn't really lend itself to case-based learning. We do learn about genetic diseases that are seen in the clinic, but for the most part its about stuff like DNA, protein receptors, cell signaling pathways... (you get a lot of online shopping done during class, though!)I like that Cornell has blocks of lecture thrown in, but I'd love to know their reasoning for separating the two learning styles out like that.
I think that the case-based style of learning definitely gets easier as you have more experience with it, but whether or not that translates to greater enjoyment of the style I think probably depends on the person. By the end of block 1 I think I had the "system" figured out pretty well that it wasn't taking me as long to do what I needed to do, which was nice, but I didn't like it any more than I did on the first day. But some of my classmates started out skeptical and really liked it by the end, while others seemed pretty gung ho on PBL in the beginning and eventually became jaded. It's really a personal thing, I think. Either way, I wouldn't let it worry you too much - Mereafterthough and I are living proof that you can get through it with your sanity intact even if you don't love it, and no one (at least in our class) has dropped out because they didn't like/couldn't handle the PBL system. Who knows, it may really grow on me this spring during block 3. I'll let you know if that happens. ;-)Just another question about PBL... I was wondering if it seems older students tend to like it more than first years? Basically, whether you need to 'learn how to learn' in that format, making for a rough start relative to lecture (where we all have pleeeeaaanty of experience learning).
Not to my knowledge, at least not specifically. I think (pure speculation here, I'm not an adcom member ) the selection process is more concerned with whether or not applicants can handle the material itself and the rate at which it's thrown at you, not necessarily the manner in which it is thrown at you. Again, there are parts of the curriculum that are not taught in the PBL style, so jiving with PBL is probably less important at Cornell than it is at Western (which, to my understanding, is exclusively PBL but correct me if I'm wrong). Also, the blocks that are taught in the PBL style also have some lecture and more traditional learning methods mixed in, so again, it seems like it's not as PBL-intensive as Western. Cornell doesn't conduct interviews (although they should, imho - rumor has it they're considering it for the future) but there are a number of behavioral essays on their supplemental.Just curious...does Cornell's interview/selection process take into consideration if a student will do well with their PBL curriculum?
not boring!!We do learn about genetic diseases that are seen in the clinic, but for the most part its about stuff like DNA, protein receptors, cell signaling pathways...
I would also like to point out that there are a lot of people who do like PBL. Like I said, Block 1 was a HUGE transition for me and I survived (even though barely). I don't want to scare you guys either because overall I do love being here. I just got hammered with the new learning style and the amount of material that was thrown at me in block 1. I'm pretty sure I will end up liking PBL better in Block 3 because I will know what to expect and how to handle it. I would say more but I think turnbackhelly covered everything. As always if you have questions PM me.I think that the case-based style of learning definitely gets easier as you have more experience with it, but whether or not that translates to greater enjoyment of the style I think probably depends on the person. By the end of block 1 I think I had the "system" figured out pretty well that it wasn't taking me as long to do what I needed to do, which was nice, but I didn't like it any more than I did on the first day. But some of my classmates started out skeptical and really liked it by the end, while others seemed pretty gung ho on PBL in the beginning and eventually became jaded. It's really a personal thing, I think. Either way, I wouldn't let it worry you too much - Mereafterthough and I are living proof that you can get through it with your sanity intact even if you don't love it, and no one (at least in our class) has dropped out because they didn't like/couldn't handle the PBL system. Who knows, it may really grow on me this spring during block 3. I'll let you know if that happens. ;-)
When I was trying to decide where to go to vet school PBL was a huge road block for me because although I was fairly certain I would be able to succeed in the system (which I have so far), I was also fairly certain that it would be a huge pain in my @$$ (which, honestly, it has been so far). In the end my decision came down to money, and even though I'm not PBL's biggest fan, no regrets here. I will reiterate that plenty of people (maybe even the majority) really really enjoy the case-based style at Cornell, and you very well may be one of those people some day! I don't want anyone reading this to be scared off, because Cornell is a great place with great professors and clinicians, even if you don't love PBL. Do feel free to continue to ask any questions you have about PBL or Cornell in general. Compared to some other schools there aren't many of us Cornell folks on SDN, and when I was in your shoes last year I really wished there were.
to each his own, for sure! i honestly admire people who enjoy that sort of material because i don't know if i ever could convince myself to. someone needs to be out there doing the research - it's definitely not gonna be me, so i'm thankful for people like you!not boring!!
I am so jealous of you guys and your PBL. Seriously.
PBL is a nice change from being yapped at for hours on end!! Block 2 material is a bit dry but the nerdy part of me kinda enjoys it, so I'm with you Nyanko lolnot boring!!
I am so jealous of you guys and your PBL. Seriously.
Not that the current curriculum at Davis is awful or that I'm doing poorly or anything, but honestly in retrospect Cornell's probably the only school I may have chosen over Davis had they let me in...