Death Nommy - Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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no that’s why i’m reading/rereading things now

Any new takes yet?

 

[Clem J]

Why?

He maf, fam

 

[Clem J]

@Clem J which Zenge post made your eyeballs go laser beam? No explanation needed if you don't feel like it.

The Zenge ISO: A Complete Collection

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

 

[Clem J]

If I have to reconsider Clem and find a gripe; I think this is probably wrong.

I don't think kills would be prejudiced toward the "POE-friendly" group. They'd be prejudiced to people that are viewed as wolfy by the most voters. So that's a bad reason to discourage being considerate of mechanics in a bizarre mechanical scenario. Of course we should be considerate.

What bizarro world is it where I'm the one saying "mech is mostly a trap just solve normally" and you're the one going nuh-uh

 

[Clem J]

Look man It's a vibes read

 

[Clem J]

Fruit salad might also be mafia

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Putting all this in one place to review.

Spoiler

My spiritual vote is on Zenge

I actually think there's a very strong chance of zenge being mafia

I'm sorry zenge

Samac
April
Dubz
genny
PSV
Indy
rae
DVMD
Stagg
SAR
Clem
fruitsalad
JJJ

Vibes and feels. But I’m not necessarily going to vote for JJJ here. I don’t want to be too hasty.

I couldn’t possibly fathom

He’s not feeling like I want him to feel.

I say this as a frequent Clem defender and reluctant to yeet Clem player.

Your village read of me felt too pockety.

Who in their right mind village reads me.

Which I realize is the opposite logic for part of what I don’t like about Clem. But it makes sense in context.

You’re village reading me too much.
He’s not village reading me enough.

The Zenge ISO: A Complete Collection

I realize that focusing on this could be actively damaging given the possible outcome that they're both town, and these vaguely thunderdomy kinds of things are often bad for threads. I am doing it anyway, because these two players share their vibe-driven and low-explication styles, and it is atypical for both of them to aggress upon one another like this. So it feels like someone is right in their suspicion.

Unfortunately, I cannot draw much from their comments about each other. They don't really provide comments. They provide vibes. This is their style, and that's fine. But when two people are doing it to each other, I end up with nothing to do but shrug. Zenge did provide one reason, that Clem should town read him more than he does. This at least works in the timeline. Clem voiced suspicion of Zenge before the reverse with enough time to spare for that thought to exist in Zenge's head.

I have no idea on Clem's part. Zenge doesn't strike me as out of the ordinary. That doesn't mean Clem is wrong. This post is aimless. I dunno.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I thought Zenge was overtly wolfy as a wolf in Mission Impossible. He doesn't seem overtly wolfy here.

 

[Zenge142]

I thought Zenge was overtly wolfy as a wolf in Mission Impossible. He doesn't seem overtly wolfy here.

What specifically in Mission Impossible did you find wolfy?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What specifically in Mission Impossible did you find wolfy?

This post [link] looked very much like false solving (a lot of ordinary process that I wouldn't expect from you and weasel-words in reads that left you room to adopt whatever position you needed to adopt given thread momentum).

Before that, it was a base impression from your engagement level. genny was my immediate town read in that game when she noted, in a clear accusatory tone, that you seemed unusually chatty. I agreed with her [link]. That's incidentally the kind of bite that seems lacking from genny in this game, lending to my suspicion.

 

[indysadventures]

I can feel your disappointment in us radiating through the screen.

 

[indysadventures]

Can you talk me through your thoughts about why you’ve put people where they are?

Particularly Fruit, Rae, Stag, and JJJ?

I wish I could give you my calculations but unfortunately they’re too revolutionary to include in a public forum, patent pending.

((Vibes.))

 

[indysadventures]

You know what, have my confidence. 🤣🫡

JJJ

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You know what, have my confidence. 🤣🫡

JJJ

Can you try to describe what inspires that change?

 

[WildZoo]

This post [link] looked very much like false solving (a lot of ordinary process that I wouldn't expect from you and weasel-words in reads that left you room to adopt whatever position you needed to adopt given thread momentum).

Before that, it was a base impression from your engagement level. genny was my immediate town read in that game when she noted, in a clear accusatory tone, that you seemed unusually chatty. I agreed with her [link]. That's incidentally the kind of bite that seems lacking from genny in this game, lending to my suspicion.

You remember that genny was third party in that game and knew who the wolves were, right?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You remember that genny was third party in that game and knew who the wolves were, right?

I literally never knew that until right now.

:hmmyes:

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well genny can go back to null.

Enjoy the rollercoaster, gang!

 

[SARdoghandler]

Well I came back from boat intending to catch up, read the rest of page two and then saw there were 11 pages. So uh, not gonna be able to catch up probably. Will jump to modern times and see what happens

2 other people have posted pls.
Fruit and April
ya gonna give me crumbs gimmie all the crumbs

I had two minutes before I went out of service and didn't have any particular vibes on genny/Dubz/fruit. I asked April a question because the tone and word choices of her first point felt somewhat sus but I wanted to hear her thought process first before I decided if I was just reading it funny

 

[Zenge142]

That's incidentally the kind of bite that seems lacking from genny in this game, lending to my suspicion.

Genny was a 3p who knew who the wolves are in mission impossible.

Why are you holding it against her that she’s playing differently from *that* situation?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Genny was a 3p who knew who the wolves are in mission impossible.

Why are you holding it against her that she’s playing differently from *that* situation?

I thought she was town. Tot problems.

 

[WildZoo]

Does Town!Jay neglect to verify that particular piece of information when forming a meta read

Does Wolf!Jay even do that???

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does Town!Jay neglect to verify that particular piece of information when forming a meta read

Does Wolf!Jay even do that???

Yes.

No.

Only one alignment comes with immediate pressure to verify anything. I didn't even realize it needed verifying. I just had a literally incorrect "fact" in my brain. Now we celebrate my derp with a cascade of sus (even if it's not actually suspicious, I know how it be). Weeee!!!

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

##unvote WildZoo
##vote Clem

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well I came back from boat intending to catch up, read the rest of page two and then saw there were 11 pages. So uh, not gonna be able to catch up probably. Will jump to modern times and see what happens


I had two minutes before I went out of service and didn't have any particular vibes on genny/Dubz/fruit. I asked April a question because the tone and word choices of her first point felt somewhat sus but I wanted to hear her thought process first before I decided if I was just reading it funny

Hey SAR do you have any immediate view of Clem and/or Zenge?

 

[Clem J]

I have no idea on Clem's part

Aren't you TRing me

 

[Clem J]

I also don't love the thunderdoming of myself and zenge tbh

 

[indysadventures]

Can you try to describe what inspires that change?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also don't love the thunderdoming of myself and zenge tbh

You just said "weh", as a "vibe", when I suggested it's unlikely you're both town. Shouldn't one of you die?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Hey SAR do you have any immediate view of Clem and/or Zenge?

Up to when I left this morning I felt that Clem was closely playing to his village meta from last game which was the most village I've ever seen Clem be I think, even though I was modding

 

[WildZoo]

Yes.

No.

Only one alignment comes with immediate pressure to verify anything. I didn't even realize it needed verifying. I just had a literally incorrect "fact" in my brain. Now we celebrate my derp with a cascade of sus (even if it's not actually suspicious, I know how it be). Weeee!!!

I don't think that's true tbh. When I'm making meta reads and wanting to make sure my read is actually correct (not that it appears correct but it's actually correct) I spend time fact checking myself. Granted that's me but I still don't think town has no incentive to verify.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Aren't you TRing me

The "I don't know" was about your read on Zenge. I don't know why you vibe Zenge as likely mafia.

I don't really care that I was town reading you before.

 

[WildZoo]

I was ready to be like "meh it's probably NAI" but that response tickled my nose hairs

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think that's true tbh. When I'm making meta reads and wanting to make sure my read is actually correct (not that it appears correct but it's actually correct) I spend time fact checking myself. Granted that's me but I still don't think town has no incentive to verify.

Sure, there's incentive. There's just not really pressure to verify (IMO). Wolves care, town just says things.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem (2) - Clem, JJJ
Zenge () -
genny (1) - fruit
JJJ (1) - samac
Dubz () -
Stagg (1) - Dubz

5/14
yeet close in ~4.5 hours

 

[SARdoghandler]

Village team vs wolf team. I'm not sure I understand the question if that's not the answer you were expecting

I found it interesting that you chose to word it that way rather than from a more obvious village perspective. I don't think it's aslam dunk, but it made me wonder which lens you're looking at the game through

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I found it interesting that you chose to word it that way rather than from a more obvious village perspective. I don't think it's aslam dunk, but it made me wonder which lens you're looking at the game through

I'm not sure what you mean by "more obvious village perspective" in this context. Could you clarify?

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, could you expand on what this question meant to you?

Did my recent post addressing April's response answer this or do you want me to go into more detail?

 

[SARdoghandler]

 

[WildZoo]

 

[SARdoghandler]

Speaking of SAR

I miss @SARdoghandler

Ok I think I'm caught up on mentions at least

 

[WildZoo]

Sure, there's incentive. There's just not really pressure to verify (IMO). Wolves care, town just says things.

Some town just says things, I'm not sure I believe you do

 

[SARdoghandler]

I'm not sure what you mean by "more obvious village perspective" in this context. Could you clarify?

Let me pull the post and see if I can coherently explain what pinged me

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some town just says things, I'm not sure I believe you do

All town just says things. Very much including me. That's kind of all I've been doing in this game! I'm not a robot! I am a real boy!

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone else please say something about Clem/Zenge. I beg you. @WildZoo

 

[_rae_]

Someone else please say something about Clem/Zenge. I beg you. @WildZoo

Clem self yeeting feels weird to me, but again, it sounds like Clem is generally chaotic so this may be par for the course.

Flow data is NOT analyzed, my doc was 20 minutes late for my appointment, and I grabbed my spouse’s laptop instead of my own fml

 

[SARdoghandler]

It does create some inherent balance/game-lengthening though because whichever team gets voted on one day is slightly more likely to not be the same team voted the next day, unless a villager with bad reads gets yeeted

@JaggedJimmyJay so what caught me a little bit was the "neutral" tone here instead of considering a specific village misyeet until the end. I would have maybe expected a villager to come at it more from a "if a villager if voted out then x and if a wolf is voted out then y". I also found it and interesting perspective in general because I think it's a more likely thought specifically with a wolf yeet leading to then more likely village yeet based on the wolf's 3 ups. It just felt tonally like a post that was harder to reconcile on my head as coming from a village perspective, if that makes sense? That said, I didn't hate April's defense of it in that it wasn't super defensive

I don't think I'm explaining myself well but one of my chickens just escaped so I have to go return her and then will be back 🤦‍♀️

 

[WildZoo]

All town just says things. Very much including me. That's kind of all I've been doing in this game! I'm not a robot! I am a real boy!

I'm thinking on it, I'm just at the narrative that wolf!Jay would be more likely to check

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay so what caught me a little bit was the "neutral" tone here instead of considering a specific village misyeet until the end. I would have maybe expected a villager to come at it more from a "if a villager if voted out then x and if a wolf is voted out then y". I also found it and interesting perspective in general because I think it's a more likely thought specifically with a wolf yeet leading to then more likely village yeet based on the wolf's 3 ups. It just felt tonally like a post that was harder to reconcile on my head as coming from a village perspective, if that makes sense? That said, I didn't hate April's defense of it in that it wasn't super defensive

I don't think I'm explaining myself well but one of my chickens just escaped so I have to go return her and then will be back 🤦‍♀️

Thanks, SAR. I think I understand what you're saying. I'm not sure if I have any perspective about this with respect to April, but I appreciate that you're thinking about these things.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm thinking on it, I'm just at the narrative that wolf!Jay would be more likely to check

That is 100% true lol. Wolf Jay is more likely to check anything. Wolf Jay is a paragon of order and control. Wolf Jay will stop at nothing to avoid any unnecessary mess. Consider what you saw in Stardeww2.

I can't guarantee I'd have checked as wolf here, because I dunno. But this kind of thing is dramatically more likely to happen when I'm town. I think that's true for most players.