Death Nommy - Game Thread

[samac]

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Me while two of my village reads campaign for death

Nah.
I’m okay with living again I think.
I only have 9 patients on the unit instead of 19 today

 

[WildZoo]

Okay I'm just gonna hope I have time to go back through Zenge and genny posts and contextual stuff a bit later today

 

[WildZoo]

Zenge: VOTE ME
Me:

 

[samac]

Zenge: VOTE ME
Me:
View attachment 406284

Same tho

 

[samac]

Final Day 4 Yeet Tally
indy (3) - Zenge, rae, samac
fruit (6) - Dubz, April, genny, SAR, indy, DVMD
genny (1) - fruit

10/11
Missing: PSV

I also have a hard time looking at these wagons and yall pushing Zenges - do you not think there was a hard bus? Fruit didn’t self pres. wolves had to get something out of it.

Im going to come back and look at the stuff around fruit after rounds If I don’t hold me accountable lol

 

[Aprilthearab]

I also have a hard time looking at these wagons and yall pushing Zenges - do you not think there was a hard bus? Fruit didn’t self pres. wolves had to get something out of it.

Im going to come back and look at the stuff around fruit after rounds If I don’t hold me accountable lol

I disagree, I think at best it's NAI. Having a vote on a villager - especially when they were a village read - isn't a good look with a wolf on the board. There could be any number of reasons he chose not to bus if he's a wolf. Villagers make mistakes too but I am not giving village points for being on a village read villager instead of the wolf

 

[WildZoo]

I also have a hard time looking at these wagons and yall pushing Zenges - do you not think there was a hard bus? Fruit didn’t self pres. wolves had to get something out of it.

Im going to come back and look at the stuff around fruit after rounds If I don’t hold me accountable lol

Yeah this is what I was talking about before. If Indy was village, did the other wolf bus or try to save fruit? I don't think there's a way to know for sure just based on the final wagon, because it looks like fruit intentionally didn't vote Indy to increase misyeet chances if he went over. It seems unlikely he wouldn't have switched if indy had enough votes for him to hammer, but did the wagon stall because the other wolf was already on there, or because the other wolf was bussing fruit just in case? This is where some paranoia creeps in for me about genny/fruit being a distancing act, fruit going against usual inclinations to push a bit there, knowing genny wasn't going to go over and would get clearance from it. Otherwise it would be April if there was a bus imo. Unfortunately PSV not voting makes things a lil difficult to assess but given her posts that day, I doubt she was a wolf holding her vote to see if fruit could be saved (it would have been hard for her to make that move without looking bad), and think it's more likely she's just village and wasn't wanting to hammer.

But I don't think not voting fruit is the strongest case for v!Zenge because 1) it's Zenge, he doesn't bus 2) he voted early in the day and iirc was not around when the fruit wagon built back up (would have to double check) and 3) Indy was voting for themselves up until pretty late in the cycle and didn't show signs of switching, so wolves may have still thought there was a decent chance to save fruit. There's more v!Zenge evidence in the Stagg stuff than fruit imo.

That was a lot of words and I haven't finished my coffee yet but hopefully it makes some sense.

 

[WildZoo]

Ah oh no

The brain poison is setting in

 

[Zenge142]

than fruit

I was wolf reading fruit until JJJ went down, and he seemed adamant Fruit was village, and that softened my read a bit.

 

[WildZoo]

Summarizing points on people so I can look at everything at once and try to figure out how to weight stuff. I'm going to keep popping in and reposting this with updates as I have pockets of time. Please discuss.

samac
+ ((eventually)) helped me build the stagg wagon (staggon)
+ stagg put her on the yeet docket
+ fighting with people about her blocc is just classic village!samac and the blocc placements feel legitimate and not agenda'd
- joined the Stagg vote late
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- didn't vote for fruit and fruit had her as MOST village
- I have never caught her wolfing I think

Zenge
+ tone
+ had stagg and fruit in early wolf reads (fruit was second from the bottom in first reads list)
+ hopped right on the Stagg vote
+ also had fruit in lowest category in second reads list
+ put on the vote docket by fruit
- when fruit was actually on the board, voted for his village read (Indy) instead???
- hammered a village read????
- fruit had him high in village reads too

I cannot totally discount that Zenge would have been comfortable putting down wolf reads on fruit when there was no way fruit could be voted out at the time on d2. It just feels unlikely, especially given the d1 read.

genny
+ thinking in unique genny ways
+ d1 she and fruit initially were voting for each other, which looks good given fruit's statements about bussing (but neither ended the day on those votes)
+ antagonistic interactions with fruit (outside of just votes) on D4 but...
- important to note these interactions only happened once they were both yeet options
- called the stagg vote lazy (this is not a strong negative, many people were being rude about my staggon!!)
- both genny and fruit switched to Clem (over the course of a few hours) when stagg was in increasing trouble and people were ignoring me less

April
+ village energy the day she was up for vote
+ good case against fruit and anti-case against indy
+/- i remembered what I was going to say here - the vote from Stagg when he was going over. Hard to evaluate given possible anti-spew, might just have to throw it out as WIFOM.
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- D1 vote for Jay?? (i don't count the later vote for Jay against her due to self prez)
- floating the idea of her and Jay voting me out during samac's reaction test

PSV [in progress]
+ big ol bold letters from fruit calling her a wolf from D1
+ case on fruit D4 was excellent (though I wish it had happened before he was in danger already)
+ fruit put her on the docket
- Jay votes >:[

rae [in progress]
+ Stagg put her on the docket for vote (this is without the WIFOMery)
+ pure nooblet vibes

SAR
+ important on the stagg vote
+ on the fruit vote AND put together a great case
+ soul read and her paranoid reaction to it
- i haven't actually seen good wolf points for SAR outside of paranoia and that she voted for mayo in champs practice when it didn't end up mattering??

 

[WildZoo]

^I edited instead of reposting since there weren't any new posts

 

[WildZoo]

*sigh*
Least she didn’t go into the blocc and I left her in the block lol

NOT TRUE

SAMAC CAN I BE BLOCCED NOW

OKAY FINE

 

[samac]

Summarizing points on people so I can look at everything at once and try to figure out how to weight stuff. I'm going to keep popping in and reposting this with updates as I have pockets of time. Please discuss.

samac
+ ((eventually)) helped me build the stagg wagon (staggon)
+ stagg put her on the yeet docket
+ fighting with people about her blocc is just classic village!samac and the blocc placements feel legitimate and not agenda'd
- joined the Stagg vote late
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- didn't vote for fruit and fruit had her as MOST village
- I have never caught her wolfing I think

Zenge
+ tone
+ had stagg and fruit in early wolf reads (fruit was second from the bottom in first reads list)
+ hopped right on the Stagg vote
+ also had fruit in lowest category in second reads list
+ put on the vote docket by fruit
- when fruit was actually on the board, voted for his village read (Indy) instead???
- hammered a village read????
- fruit had him high in village reads too

I cannot totally discount that Zenge would have been comfortable putting down wolf reads on fruit when there was no way fruit could be voted out at the time on d2. It just feels unlikely, especially given the d1 read.

genny
+ thinking in unique genny ways
+ d1 she and fruit initially were voting for each other, which looks good given fruit's statements about bussing (but neither ended the day on those votes)
+ antagonistic interactions with fruit (outside of just votes) on D4 but...
- important to note these interactions only happened once they were both yeet options
- called the stagg vote lazy (this is not a strong negative, many people were being rude about my staggon!!)
- both genny and fruit switched to Clem (over the course of a few hours) when stagg was in increasing trouble and people were ignoring me less

April
+ village energy the day she was up for vote
+ good case against fruit and anti-case against indy
+/- i remembered what I was going to say here - the vote from Stagg when he was going over. Hard to evaluate given possible anti-spew, might just have to throw it out as WIFOM.
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- D1 vote for Jay?? (i don't count the later vote for Jay against her due to self prez)
- floating the idea of her and Jay voting me out during samac's reaction test

PSV [in progress]
+ big ol bold letters from fruit calling her a wolf from D1
+ case on fruit D4 was excellent (though I wish it had happened before he was in danger already)
+ fruit put her on the docket
- Jay votes >:[

rae [in progress]
+ Stagg put her on the docket for vote (this is without the WIFOMery)
+ pure nooblet vibes

SAR
+ important on the stagg vote
+ on the fruit vote AND put together a great case
+ soul read and her paranoid reaction to it
- i haven't actually seen good wolf points for SAR outside of paranoia and that she voted for mayo in champs practice when it didn't end up mattering??

I did vote for fruit to put him in the tie and left it there and no one followed I went back to indy

 

[samac]

NOT TRUE

NO I NEVER MADE A LIST I JUST SAID OKAY FINE CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS INDY
NO BLOCC

 

[samac]

Day 4 Yeet Tally
indy (3) - Zenge, indy, rae
fruit (3) - Dubz, April, samac
genny (1) - fruit

7/11
yeet close in ~1.5 hours

didn't vote fruit my ass lol

 

[WildZoo]

didn't vote fruit my ass lol

Fine, didn't end on fruit, I didn't go hunting down every single vote you've ever made!

 

[WildZoo]

I did vote for fruit to put him in the tie and left it there and no one followed I went back to indy

I don't see why this would be a village point tbh

 

[samac]

I don't see why this would be a village point tbh

Cause I put fruit in real danger ya goon

 

[Zenge142]

when fruit was actually on the board, voted for his village read (Indy) instead???

Tbf I never saw fruit on the board

 

[WildZoo]

Cause I put fruit in real danger ya goon

You said yourself you would be expecting a bus! Let me look at context though. I forgot about maj for a sec.

 

[WildZoo]

Tbf I never saw fruit on the board

You knew he was an option that day though

 

[Zenge142]

You knew he was an option that day though

It didn’t seem like he was. Everyone and their mom was chomping at the bit to yeet Indy. It seemed like a foregone conclusion. I wanted to get my vote on early in case I was wrong, so you all couldn’t be like “Yeet Zenge he defended a wolf!”

 

[WildZoo]

It didn’t seem like he was. Everyone and their mom was chomping at the bit to yeet Indy. It seemed like a foregone conclusion. I wanted to get my vote on early in case I was wrong, so you all couldn’t be like “Yeet Zenge he defended a wolf!”

Irony

 

[WildZoo]

Everyone and their mom

you all

I was never enthusiastic about yeeting indy and fruit had been in my wolf reads since d1 so 😤

And I'll maintain that the only reason indy was in real danger was because both of you voted for them

 

[samac]

I was never enthusiastic about yeeting indy and fruit had been in my wolf reads since d1 so 😤

And I'll maintain that the only reason indy was in real danger was because both of you voted for them

I thought Indy was a wolf rip

 

[Zenge142]

I thought Indy was a wolf rip

Between this and Jay village reading fruit, I’m never listening to my town reads again

 

[WildZoo]

Tally was 4 for indy

5:34pm

I'm gonna do this for now I think, I still want to do more thorough genny and fruit reading but I'm running into time constraints. @fruitsalad if you could talk about who you would be putting on the ballot if you are voted out today/where your reads stand right now, that would be swell.

yeet fruit

6:34pm

Just for the sake of seeing what people will do when the playing fields are slightly more even

Yeet fruit

Might switch to indy later but we don't need to get that close to hammering at this point in the day, will wait to almost yeet close

Day 4 Yeet Tally
indy (4) - Zenge, samac, indy, rae
fruit (2) - Dubz, April

6/11
yeet close in ~3 hours

7:02pm

Ya know what?
Fun

Unyeet Indy
Yeet fruit

Interrupting myself to note that fruit's vote for genny and their interactions started after the tie
7:35pm

Yeet genny

Day 4 Yeet Tally
indy (3) - Zenge, indy, rae
fruit (3) - Dubz, April, samac
genny (1) - fruit

7/11
yeet close in ~1.5 hours

Unchanged until
8:46pm

unyeet fruit
Yeet indy

So...sure, samac put fruit closer to range if 3 more people decided to pop up and hammer but...why break the tie yourself with over an hour left in the day @samac ?

 

[WildZoo]

Between this and Jay village reading fruit, I’m never listening to my town reads again

Imagine if April is a wolf lol

This is why you're supposed to be a shepherd and not a sheep!

 

[WildZoo]

Updates are bolded

samac
+ ((eventually)) helped me build the stagg wagon (staggon)
+ stagg put her on the yeet docket
+ fighting with people about her blocc is just classic village!samac and the blocc placements feel legitimate and not agenda'd
+ I do not see the point in w!samac pulling that reaction test about me
+ briefly tied fruit with indy
- joined the Stagg vote late
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- moved off the fruit vote without waiting to get information from the tie
- fruit had her as MOST village
- I have never caught her wolfing I think

Zenge
+ tone
+ had stagg and fruit in early wolf reads (fruit was second from the bottom in first reads list)
+ hopped right on the Stagg vote
+ also had fruit in lowest category in second reads list
+ put on the vote docket by fruit
- when fruit was actually on the board, voted for his village read (Indy) instead???
- hammered a village read????
- fruit had him high in village reads too

I cannot totally discount that Zenge would have been comfortable putting down wolf reads on fruit when there was no way fruit could be voted out at the time on d2. It just feels unlikely, especially given the d1 read.

genny
+ thinking in unique genny ways
+ d1 she and fruit initially were voting for each other, which looks good given fruit's statements about bussing (but neither ended the day on those votes)
+ antagonistic interactions with fruit (outside of just votes) on D4 but...
- important to note these interactions only happened once they were both yeet options and once fruit was tied with indy
- called the stagg vote lazy (this is not a strong negative, many people were being rude about my staggon!!)
- both genny and fruit switched to Clem (over the course of a few hours) when stagg was in increasing trouble and people were ignoring me less

April
+ village energy the day she was up for vote
+ good case against fruit and anti-case against indy
+ second on the fruit vote
+/- i remembered what I was going to say here - the vote from Stagg when he was going over. Hard to evaluate given possible anti-spew, might just have to throw it out as WIFOM.
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- D1 vote for Jay?? (i don't count the later vote for Jay against her due to self prez)
- floating the idea of her and Jay voting me out during samac's reaction test

PSV [in progress]
+ big ol bold letters from fruit calling her a wolf from D1
+ case on fruit D4 was excellent (though I wish it had happened before he was in danger already)
+ fruit put her on the docket
- Jay votes >:[

rae [in progress]
+ early vote for Stagg
+ Stagg put her on the docket for vote (this is without the WIFOMery so we could call it a +/-)
+ pure nooblet vibes
- I don't think I've seen any wolf points voiced for rae? other than maybe voting for indy but that seemed like a sincere read

SAR
+ important on the stagg vote
+ on the fruit vote AND put together a great case
+ soul read and her paranoid reaction to it
- i haven't actually seen good wolf points for SAR outside of paranoia and that she voted for mayo in champs practice when it didn't end up mattering??

 

[Aprilthearab]

Updates are bolded

samac
+ ((eventually)) helped me build the stagg wagon (staggon)
+ stagg put her on the yeet docket
+ fighting with people about her blocc is just classic village!samac and the blocc placements feel legitimate and not agenda'd
+ I do not see the point in w!samac pulling that reaction test about me
+ briefly tied fruit with indy
- joined the Stagg vote late
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- moved off the fruit vote without waiting to get information from the tie
- fruit had her as MOST village
- I have never caught her wolfing I think

Zenge
+ tone
+ had stagg and fruit in early wolf reads (fruit was second from the bottom in first reads list)
+ hopped right on the Stagg vote
+ also had fruit in lowest category in second reads list
+ put on the vote docket by fruit
- when fruit was actually on the board, voted for his village read (Indy) instead???
- hammered a village read????
- fruit had him high in village reads too

I cannot totally discount that Zenge would have been comfortable putting down wolf reads on fruit when there was no way fruit could be voted out at the time on d2. It just feels unlikely, especially given the d1 read.

genny
+ thinking in unique genny ways
+ d1 she and fruit initially were voting for each other, which looks good given fruit's statements about bussing (but neither ended the day on those votes)
+ antagonistic interactions with fruit (outside of just votes) on D4 but...
- important to note these interactions only happened once they were both yeet options and once fruit was tied with indy
- called the stagg vote lazy (this is not a strong negative, many people were being rude about my staggon!!)
- both genny and fruit switched to Clem (over the course of a few hours) when stagg was in increasing trouble and people were ignoring me less

April
+ village energy the day she was up for vote
+ good case against fruit and anti-case against indy
+ second on the fruit vote
+/- i remembered what I was going to say here - the vote from Stagg when he was going over. Hard to evaluate given possible anti-spew, might just have to throw it out as WIFOM.
- poo poo'd my d1 fruit vote when I made a tie between him and stagg
- D1 vote for Jay?? (i don't count the later vote for Jay against her due to self prez)
- floating the idea of her and Jay voting me out during samac's reaction test

PSV [in progress]
+ big ol bold letters from fruit calling her a wolf from D1
+ case on fruit D4 was excellent (though I wish it had happened before he was in danger already)
+ fruit put her on the docket
- Jay votes >:[

rae [in progress]
+ early vote for Stagg
+ Stagg put her on the docket for vote (this is without the WIFOMery so we could call it a +/-)
+ pure nooblet vibes
- I don't think I've seen any wolf points voiced for rae? other than maybe voting for indy but that seemed like a sincere read

SAR
+ important on the stagg vote
+ on the fruit vote AND put together a great case
+ soul read and her paranoid reaction to it
- i haven't actually seen good wolf points for SAR outside of paranoia and that she voted for mayo in champs practice when it didn't end up mattering??

I really like the concise reviews on everyone, thanks for doing that work

I do not like that it only makes me more confused about who to yeet

 

[WildZoo]

I might actually be marginally more confident in my v!Zenge read than my v!samac one at this exact moment

 

[WildZoo]

I really like the concise reviews on everyone, thanks for doing that work

I do not like that it only makes me more confused about who to yeet

Yeah I am suffering 🙂

 

[Aprilthearab]

I might actually be marginally more confident in my v!Zenge read than my v!samac one at this exact moment

I have w!samac paranoia after going to glance at ggoats the other day but I really don't know if it's founded in anything real here

 

[samac]

Tally was 4 for indy

5:34pm



6:34pm



7:02pm



Interrupting myself to note that fruit's vote for genny and their interactions started after the tie
7:35pm





Unchanged until
8:46pm



So...sure, samac put fruit closer to range if 3 more people decided to pop up and hammer but...why break the tie yourself with over an hour left in the day @samac ?

because I wanted to see what would happen with a 3 way tie and nothing happened after an hour and a half so I jumped back to my actual wolf read.

If im going to bus my partner I'm at least going to keep it and get that credit.

 

[samac]

Between this and Jay village reading fruit, I’m never listening to my town reads again

No one said we were good at this game Zenges

 

[samac]

You know, it's crossed my mind that fruit and Stagg have been in kahoots and Clem was included in the list of three to keep allow a smooth transition for fruit to keep wolf reading him and not need to find somewhere else to go. Hmmm

I'm finally going back to look at people
Wow what a heck of a thing this would be to say about your 2 packmates
Stay in the blocc

 

[WildZoo]

because I wanted to see what would happen with a 3 way tie and nothing happened after an hour and a half so I jumped back to my actual wolf read.

If im going to bus my partner I'm at least going to keep it and get that credit.

It wasn't a three way tie

A vote that doesn't stick isn't a bus I mean, you could have been planning to bus, seen that the wagon didn't go anywhere, and changed your mind. It makes less sense to me to negate any info you would have gotten out of the tie breaking. An hour and a half is not terribly long in a 24 hour day.

Were you village reading fruit? I can't remember and I'm not going through your ISO myself lol

I'm finally going back to look at people
Wow what a heck of a thing this would be to say about your 2 packmates
Stay in the blocc

Ooo this is a good find

 

[samac]

It wasn't a three way tie

A vote that doesn't stick isn't a bus I mean, you could have been planning to bus, seen that the wagon didn't go anywhere, and changed your mind. It makes less sense to me to negate any info you would have gotten out of the tie breaking. An hour and a half is not terribly long in a 24 hour day.

Were you village reading fruit? I can't remember and I'm not going through your ISO myself lol

Ooo this is a good find

I'll be honest I don't think I was even trying to read fruit at this point. I had tunnel vision. But the wagonomics of it were fun and I wanted to see what happened if I followed April.
I was god damn convinced in the Indy wolf world.

In my mind voting your packmate is a bus
If you're going to do it then do it and get the credit dammit.

Just like you're extra cleared for your vote on fruit d1.

 

[WildZoo]

I'll be honest I don't think I was even trying to read fruit at this point. I had tunnel vision. But the wagonomics of it were fun and I wanted to see what happened if I followed April.
I was god damn convinced in the Indy wolf world.

In my mind voting your packmate is a bus
If you're going to do it then do it and get the credit dammit.

Just like you're extra cleared for your vote on fruit d1.

Meh. I call that distancing myself. It's not bussing if you're not contributing to them dying. A single vote with no pushing that you move off of isn't throwing them under the bus.

If I get extra clearance for my fruit vote d1 it should be because I made a tie between two wolves, not just because I voted there for a bit and then moved away.

 

[WildZoo]

It would be a mistake to clear every person who votes for a wolf for a little bit, doesn't push them, and moves away from the vote I have other reasons to village read you as listed but the temporary fruit vote ain't one of them

 

[samac]

Meh. I call that distancing myself. It's not bussing if you're not contributing to them dying. A single vote with no pushing that you move off of isn't throwing them under the bus.

If I get extra clearance for my fruit vote d1 it should be because I made a tie between two wolves, not just because I voted there for a bit and then moved away.

I WOULD HAVE MADE MY PACKMATE INTO A TIE MAAM IF I WAS A WOLF THAT WOULD BE HELLA BUSSING.
I personally wouldn't do that unless I had a hell of a reason to but we're all different people.

I didn't even get actually sus of fruit until he started to refuse to vote indy.... then I considered them as a pack.
Good job taking them down with you fruit, that was good wolfing.

 

[samac]

Okay
Torn on Apirl
she was very wishy wash on fruit until late on Saturday and decided to go in.
Felt like she was trying to keep options open. But I do feel like she was pivotal to fruit going over.
You can read the evolution of her read through here.

Spoiler

This feels mildly weird but I can't tell why

Fruit how many games have you played?

I think it just feels a little too announcey

Can't tell if real or fake derp clear. I know I made this same misread and I was cool with Samac making the same misread, but something about this also feels a little announcey. For people who have played with Fruit does this feel normal?

Okay, so maybe noobish behavior and not true wolfy, but I'll ruminate on it as I keep reading

I don't know Fruit but I would be sad if two of his first three games were a D1 yeet

This doesn't inherently make me feel great, between the "no real wolf" reads list so settles on Stagg for lack of engagement, and the willingness to jump off of stagg and onto another noob, especially when Fruit was actually not even down in orange in that original reads list

As of page 12, and not accounting for the end-of-day votes that I haven't caught up to

(I want to do fancy colors but my phone disagrees)

Village
Samac

Most likely village
Dubz
JJJ
Zenge

Village leans
Rae
Clem

Neutral
Genny
SAR

A little sketch
PSV
Indy
Fruit

A lotta sketch
DVM

I guess I need to figure out how I feel about fruit including my wolf reads in their wolf reads given that fruit is sketch

If fruit was w/w with Stagg, do we think Stagg would have said to bus him or do we think fruit would have defended?

Fwiw if I get yeeted, the players I'd be most interested in picking 3 from (without having caught up on most of today's discussions) are DVMD, SAR, Fruit, PSV, or indy. Genny is leaning slightly more village for me but if other people felt strongly then I'd be okay with listing her.

@JaggedJimmyJay I have done very little reading today and I'm still at work so this hasn't changed much. The only change is that PSV felt a bit better in the few posts I saw. Possibly same for DVMD. I feel like I have seen so little of SAR that I can't say I have any reason to take her off the list. So gun to head, probably Indy, Fruit, and SAR. Happy for input especially from people who are more UTD on the thread than me

@JaggedJimmyJay how much would you hate the idea of both of us self prezzing onto Dubz? I hate it but yanno, self prez is good and all that jazz

Zenge142 - PSV, genny, fruit
potentialsheltervet - fruit, indy, JJJ
indysadventures - indy, genny, fruit
samac - indy, genny
WildZoo - PSV, fruit, indy
genny - indy, fruit
fruitsalad - fruit, genny, PSV
SARdoghandler - genny, fruit, indy
_rae_ -
JaggedJimmyJay - genny, fruit, indy
DVMDream - indy, PSV/genny/fruit (?)

Current vote:
PSV - 3.33
genny - 6.33
fruit - 8.33
indy - 8
JJJ - 1


Also if anyone has changed their mind, let me know. Right now it looks like it would be pretty difficult to sway off of genny/fruit/indy and that's what I've contingency submitted

This is now appropriately tallied and includes everyone including their last-minute changes. Still genny/fruit/indy

Trying to form a more useful read here actively

I agree some fruit posts were pingy as hell in some spots earlier in the game. But in the late 20s pages, there seems to be a lot more active gamesolving and participation, plus willingness to reassess on re-read. I don't love all the conclusions they came to, including that rae is sus, but I could at least follow the argument. I think the admittance to a no-bussing stance while being accused of no-bussing on Stagg might have been bold for a wolf who could have just chosen to blend in by saying "yeah I would have bussed." I dunno. I've still got a ~15 page gap to contend with and I want to trust my village reads who think fruit is sketchy

Sorry if I've missed this (I probably have) but what are your reads on fruit and genny?

Has fruit said which three they would submit if they were voted?

I know right now the vote is heavily leaning Indy, but if everything was even, I'm torn between indy and fruit. I'm not a huge fan of picking between DVMD, PSV, and Zenge tomorrow. But maybe those choices are an indicator that we're onto something with the indy yeet.

Zenge's conflicts have felt v/v and the people I trust aren't suspicious of him so I want to leave him alone. DVMD has been feeling better and better to me as I catch up, just tonally, and also felt v/v with zenge this morning. That leaves PSV, who I'm fine with flipping, but I just feel like we have better options. So it feels like it would be a replay of the Clem day where we all just kind of assume PSV will be the yeet but we don't all feel super strong and wish we could vote elsewherr

And then this is interesting because it makes fruit look a little worse than indy but I think tonally, recently, indy has felt a little worse

Just for the sake of seeing what people will do when the playing fields are slightly more even

Yeet fruit

Might switch to indy later but we don't need to get that close to hammering at this point in the day, will wait to almost yeet close

I think currently tied between indy and fruit, but not near hammering yet

Honestly, I'm inclined to agree about not really feeling the wolf in genny atm. Genny would be more of interest to me if indy and fruit flip village. And right now I'm not very convinced either you or her are wolf, but you and her might be who I'd look at as packmates for each other, again if indy and fruit flip village. Which I doubt

Ugh decisions are hard

I think that both indy and fruit need to be flipped. But I don't want village discouraged if they're w/v and we pick the villager tonight. I also don't want the pick of 3 tomorrow to be zenge/DVMD/PSV. So I think I'm gonna stay on fruit for now

If you have a more convincing argument than fruit, I'm all ears and still willing to switch. Right now the two are equally wolfy to me in different ways and I'm mostly picking fruit for tomorrow's logistics

What are your fruit thoughts?

Sorry 😅

If you ARE village - including fruit in tomorrow's yeet would be an incredible help. They're a very central part of the POE and even though we're not guaranteed to yeet them out tomorrow, having the option is important, both from a game-solving standpoint as well as a game tolerance/enjoyment standpoint because some people might find your current options are all some degree of villagey, and we've all seen how discouraged we get when we are forced to pick someone out of our village reads.

Also what's stopping you from including fruit?

So I just wanna say that even though fruit has talked a lot about expecting death today, and being okay with being today's vote, when votes actually got put on and got them almost to a hammer, they were suddenly a bit more panicked about being on the chopping block. It feels sus. A villager that's really done would either be fighting all day or have rolled over for real. A wolf would be more motivated to fake being done to look like villagery defeat but then really panic when it comes down to voting time

 

[WildZoo]

I WOULD HAVE MADE MY PACKMATE INTO A TIE MAAM IF I WAS A WOLF THAT WOULD BE HELLA BUSSING.
I personally wouldn't do that unless I had a hell of a reason to but we're all different people.

I didn't even get actually sus of fruit until he started to refuse to vote indy.... then I considered them as a pack.
Good job taking them down with you fruit, that was good wolfing.

It's not hella bussing when you move off the vote before it goes anywhere! You effectively did nothing except allow yourself to make this argument!

 

[samac]

It's not hella bussing when you move off the vote before it goes anywhere! You effectively did nothing except allow yourself to make this argument!

I EFFECTIVELY COULD HAVE CAUSED HIM TO GO OVER BUT THE FOLKS HERE DID DIDDLY WITH IT FOR IT AN HOUR AND A HALF SO I WENT BACK. IT BUS. HELLA BUS. WOULD NOT TRUST SOMEONE WHO PUT THEIR PACKMATE INTO A TIE GOING FORWARD TO NOT BUS

Do you think I was bussing, dubz?

 

[samac]

SAR

Okay
This is not better than April's ISO
The push for fruit was like 9pm on Saturday.

Spoiler

Well I came back from boat intending to catch up, read the rest of page two and then saw there were 11 pages. So uh, not gonna be able to catch up probably. Will jump to modern times and see what happens


I had two minutes before I went out of service and didn't have any particular vibes on genny/Dubz/fruit. I asked April a question because the tone and word choices of her first point felt somewhat sus but I wanted to hear her thought process first before I decided if I was just reading it funny

Trying to read at least from the flip yesterday. Has anyone questioned this or has fruit addressed why he has no interest in even discussing the alternatives today? From what I read yesterday I didn't see any glaring reads on Clem from him?

Anything specific ping you? She's on my priority list to iso tonight (along with April and fruit I think)

Genny, fruit, indy

Playing catch up again, as is tradition

I already put forward that I think genny/fruit/indy would be good for tomorrow. My current preference of voting is then in that order based on my current game state leanings

My strongest village read of the group today is Jay. I'm deciding between Dubz and April. My gut says that this is another all-village pile but tinfoil is tinfoily. Clem was also possibly my highest village read so I don't want to discount his assumed legacy choice was April based on me feeling weird about Dubz giving me the coveted soul read

Ok, gonna be honest and admit I had an absolutely lovely day with my family and didn't look at the thread once

Now I will be here and probably stay up late to actually be around for close to make up for it. Planning to do my own iso of Indy and Fruits since I did one the other day on genny already to see how they stack up. Tbh genny has felt more in line with the genny way in the past day or so but she can also hit stride as a wolf well so I'm not totally discounting that yet

Okay, off to do the same thing for fruit as I did for indy

Bringing this back because I think this is a very decent iso at least as far as fruit's reads. So I'm focusing mainly on the posts that psv didn't cover here and looking at content other than reads lists. However, I think what stands out to me when re-reading this, is the impression that Fruits has made a lot of reads and a lot of changes to his reads with little justification.

I think there's also a lot of posts where he has poked sus at players on thread for somewhat nebulous reasoning, but then never follows up with a push OR with questioning of the player he apparently suspects based on that. When looking at the posts as a whole, I think it comes across as very much throwing things at the wall to see if anyone will pick it up to run with it.

I also think the reads lists frequently gives the impression of working hard at solving, when there isn't actually a lot of solving in evidence. I'm going to pull some quotes that hopefully will help to show what I mean here.

Yeet fruit

To have it on the board while I pull quotes

Okay, a bushel of fruit quotes that I think are actually pretty damning. I'm not spoilering them because I'm afraid no one will actually read them if I do and this took a long time dammit


Hedgey hedgey, putting out sus in a way to see if it could gain traction without having to commit

Again, seeing if anyone will bite.

When asked by JJJ who he would put up on D1 if he were suddenly voted out. I think it's really interesting that Stagg is on this list when he spent a lot of time on D1 saying he didn't think Stagg was a wolf

I addressed a day or two ago that I think anyone pushing this narrative strongly had higher wolf utility. This was an oppotunity to pit a strong town read against a typically strong town player

"Massive reevaluation" = I am a wolf and I know who village is. There was no evidence or justification to this change, just "I re-read and changed my mind". A villager should give us some reasoning here (hopefully)

The start of the push that there must be a wolf in the town reads - this is a strong continuous theme for fruit and feels like an attempt to get others to question the blocc

Wishy washing again, with no reasoning to back it up or to understand why they are making the change.

Again, "a wolf in the green"

So this is an interesting segment. After he posted this I pushed back on it and got the following two quotes as a response. IMO this reads as again trying to bring questioning into players that are consensus village-read, then having to back pedal quickly when actually questioned so that he wouldn't have to take an actual stand on it himself when no one bit at the breadcrumbs





Evidence of perhaps less effort going into reads - this would fit more with a wolf mentality

Fishing for sus to tag onto

Again, blocc dismantling

And again

More breadcrumbs to see if anyone would take it and run. Then when questioned about this:

Provides names but no analysis of such and no conviction as to which he feels is wolf. Again, waiting for someone else to go "hmm" and make the argument for him so he doesn't have to come up with reasoning that someone else could pick apart.

Again with the wolf in the village

See the theme?

This circles back to the gotcha vote comments. Again, when pressed to commit, he backs off.

@WildZoo okay maybe I'm ready to think you wouldn't have started the Stagg train AND be the first on fruit

 

[WildZoo]

I EFFECTIVELY COULD HAVE CAUSED HIM TO GO OVER BUT THE FOLKS HERE DID DIDDLY WITH IT FOR IT AN HOUR AND A HALF SO I WENT BACK. IT BUS. HELLA BUS. WOULD NOT TRUST SOMEONE WHO PUT THEIR PACKMATE INTO A TIE GOING FORWARD TO NOT BUS

Do you think I was bussing, dubz?

That is literally not the definition of bussing. That is the definition of distancing. There is a huge difference between voting for your packmate for an hour and a half without pushing them and moving off it, and actually voting, pushing, and sending them over. An ocean of difference.

In case you need a refresher because words do actually have definitions

Bussing

wiki.mafiascum.net

As I said, I wouldn't consider that vote bussing. I would consider the stagg vote bussing. There are other things you've done in this game that I think would be unlikely for you to do as a wolf. You trying to give yourself more credit than you deserve for a vote that effectively did nothing to move the needle on that day is not making me feel better though.

 

[samac]

That is literally not the definition of bussing. That is the definition of distancing. There is a huge difference between voting for your packmate for an hour and a half without pushing them and moving off it, and actually voting, pushing, and sending them over. An ocean of difference.

In case you need a refresher because words do actually have definitions

Bussing

wiki.mafiascum.net

As I said, I wouldn't consider that vote bussing. I would consider the stagg vote bussing. There are other things you've done in this game that I think would be unlikely for you to do as a wolf. You trying to give yourself more credit than you deserve for a vote that effectively did nothing to move the needle on that day is not making me feel better though.

I personally would not be willing to do that to a packmate in that manner.
Definition of bussing or not I would not put my packmate up when I have the equity on thread to get people onto my vote. We're having this discussion off definition and other than that vote I think I have proven myself village in the way I've played and worked to find my village core.

But I think the fact we're even discussing this is frustrating for me and getting me defensive when I haven't even been considered a large wolf read.


I'm not going to do this paranoia **** in a game where the wolves literally cannot kill me and we go to F3 and I'm stuck as a misyeet. That will hurt me more that going down now or tomorrow.
If we're going to break the blocc vote me before that point cause I think that would make me not want to play again.

 

[samac]

I EFFECTIVELY COULD HAVE CAUSED HIM TO GO OVER BUT THE FOLKS HERE DID DIDDLY WITH IT FOR IT AN HOUR AND A HALF SO I WENT BACK. IT BUS. HELLA BUS. WOULD NOT TRUST SOMEONE WHO PUT THEIR PACKMATE INTO A TIE GOING FORWARD TO NOT BUS

Do you think I was bussing, dubz?

and this question wasn't about the definition of bussing, more of do you think I was voting a packmate?
Cause I wasn't.

 

[samac]

Fruit on SAR
Static. Minimal direct interactions.
I don't have a lot here that makes me feel any type of way.
SAR's best points are from the Stagg day but looking at fruit in isolation is very lukewarm.

Spoiler

Rough impressions

samac
Clem
JJJ
SAR
rae
Zenge
WZ
genny
April

SAR, WZ, and Zenge feel neutral to me at this point, could go either way

Rae’s entrance is pretty neutral to me too, although i got slight parallels with beans entrance last game

Samac
JJJ
April
Zenge
Rae
WZ
SAR
Stagg
genny
Indy
DVMD
PSV
Clem

I dont think the stagg wagon is pure

I’m also thinking indy and dvmd aren’t w/w

JJJ
samac
Zenge
WZ
Clem
Indy
SAR
rae
DVMD
genny
April
PSV

strongest to weakest treatment of stagg (or most active to most passive)

WZ > JJJ > samac > Zenge > Indy > SAR > rae

I’m also entertaining you + samac, you + SAR, genny + zenge, PSV + you, PSV + genny

samac
Zenge
WZ
rae
April
SAR
DVMD
indy
genny
PSV

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm finally going back to look at people
Wow what a heck of a thing this would be to say about your 2 packmates
Stay in the blocc

Oh wow I forgot I said that. Good job, me