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BobLoblaw78 said:
I don't want to give wolves an increased chance of picking the correct NK tonight or tomorrow. There is only 33% of them getting it right, but the wrong info could increase it to 50%
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OK. Just wanted to make sure there was a reason to be cagey at this point. I don't have a vested interest in knowing any of how the game works at this point besides trying to be really sure Visc isn't a wolf, and just trying to be sure you're also not spinning a load of BS either. This sounds reasonable.

I don't feel I've been leading this game, sometimes the best you can do is figure out who to trust and then just trust them.

Just to be clear on why I've tried to get any info so far. I'm happy to drop whatever subject if I think it's a villager asking me to do so.
 
Crayola227 said:
How do you know they tried to kill you two nights in a row? How do you know anything? I thought you said you got no notifications.

Also have any PRs flipped?

Finding it hard to believe AM's claim or that there are 2 protectors.

AM has waited long enough to see that I will be the misyeet to hand she and genny the win tonight.

Unless it's Visc and Bob, but see that as less likely.

I have other stuff I need to do tonight and losing time to do it.
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I know there is a protector. I know visc claimed protector. I know that no one else challenged her claim. I know AM is universal backup role. So protector/other role backup for AM.

There is PR's. Visc knows this. AM knows this. I know this. Wolfpack knows this as well (bc I don't see them not getting PR with 3 village PR).

I believe AM. (That is the thinnest part of my version and we will lose if I am wrong about her vs genny). But when she put universal protector, that implies 2 other PR's. Do the math. PR's can be whatever Lawpy makes them.

Sorry
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm on Cray. It's genny that I'm worried has the avoidance.
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Why are we even making the unproven assumption there even is an avoidance? Not really like you to make a leap like that on mechanics, and at lylo no less.

Really fits with an AM/genny pack.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Even if the protection were to miss, it'd be no worse than yolo again since it'd be f3.
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Assuming we yeet the wolf without avoidance!

Cray resisting us voting her makes me think we are on the right track (hopefully she didn't just now realize this). If cray was the one with avoidance, it would've been best to go full wolfmode and take the misyeet with avoidance.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I am guessing you have the PR based on the fact I hope/think genny would play more/post more with wolf PR.

I think you are wanting people to doubt. Bc you don't think I am wrong that you are wolf, but you think that I am wrong bc you are wolf PR....
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Dude, this is just an awful assumption about genny, and the fact that AM isn't correcting any of your I'll conceived notions about my play and gennys should be a huge red flag to you.
 
Crayola227 said:
Why are we even making the unproven assumption there even is an avoidance? Not really like you to make a leap like that on mechanics, and at lylo no less.

Really fits with an AM/genny pack.
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I've explained why I think this several times. It's not just a baseless tinfoil. And I do think about mechanics when they're relevant. Like last game when I was worried about the last wolf abstaining (even if I didn't make the jump in time).
 
Crayola227 said:
Why are we even making the unproven assumption there even is an avoidance? Not really like you to make a leap like that on mechanics, and at lylo no less.

Really fits with an AM/genny pack.
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Bc 3 village PR's would make sense to have at least 1 wolf PR.

I had AM in POE. But I stated why I think she is now village. She threw out a role that fit perfect on multiple points. (I can handle being wrong on that).
 
Please guys, why are you buying AM's claim, why are you assuming there is an avoidance?

Did it ever occur to you that I don't want to be flipped because I'm village and we'll lose the game?

Just really sucks to be misyeeted for a village loss yet again this year.

What really burns is half the time the sus is coming from just run of the mill bad village play, and it's like no one remembers I work way harder when I'm a wolf.

If you were interested in voting someone else, I would help, but as it is I really do need to go. Losing hot sun to test my snorkel gear out in the condo pool so I can make returns/exchanges tomorrow and further tests before going to Hawaii Tuesday. Also someone is coming over to teach how to pill the cats while we're out of town.

I can't babysit the thread and defend any more.

If you vote with AM or anyone on me, we're going to lose.

Bob please take your head out of your butt if you're not a wolf and realize your assumptions on genny and myself are just bad, and AM is not correcting you. She knows better.
 
Crayola227 said:
What does vote in order mean?
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She says she fears genny has an avoidance, so you would need to voted first to avoid parity after 1 successful NK (would require 2 successful NKs for wolves to win if a wolf without avoidance was yeeted first and then the wolf with the avoidance)
 
Animal Midwife said:
I've explained why I think this several times. It's not just a baseless tinfoil. And I do think about mechanics when they're relevant. Like last game when I was worried about the last wolf abstaining (even if I didn't make the jump in time).
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Uh, all I've got is you're assuming there is an avoidance because you're certain I'm genny's partner and that's why I'm trying to get people not to vote me. If there was some good reason to assume an avoidance, not seeing it.
 
Crayola227 said:
Dude, this is just an awful assumption about genny, and the fact that AM isn't correcting any of your I'll conceived notions about my play and gennys should be a huge red flag to you.
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You could have a point. The pieces fit best with how I laid it out. I have spoken (lol)
 
Crayola227 said:
Uh, all I've got is you're assuming there is an avoidance because you're certain I'm genny's partner and that's why I'm trying to get people not to vote me. If there was some good reason to assume an avoidance, not seeing it.
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genny's behavior and your sharp increase in activity are bothering me. You only voted genny after you were already on the board.
 
genny said:
I think Vis is going to coast to a win this game. So if y'all want to yeet me and save me from endgame, that's fine by me.
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You would have to hand it her for a game well played.

This feels like an invite to yeet the wrong packmate (but could be reverse psychology to keep us on Cray)
 
Crayola227 said:
And a sweep no less. Just sore to be misyeeted for the loss end game and lose to AM yet again.
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And what is all this about losing to me? Why are you not trying to convince anyone onto genny? It's all about a last minute shift to me.
 
I've been trying to get a good reason to clear Visc and Bob for days. We've narrowed the field down a lot, to the point it's extremely easy for me to play, because without knowing anything, I know we lose if we vote me and I know we have a chance if we don't. That's it. And my choices are now to trust Visc's claim or possibly lose to paranoia. If this is a big wolf plot I'd rather lose to it and then say I told you so.

Cat sitter is here. Bye for reals.
 
Crayola227 said:
Please guys, why are you buying AM's claim, why are you assuming there is an avoidance?

Did it ever occur to you that I don't want to be flipped because I'm village and we'll lose the game?

Just really sucks to be misyeeted for a village loss yet again this year.

What really burns is half the time the sus is coming from just run of the mill bad village play, and it's like no one remembers I work way harder when I'm a wolf.

If you were interested in voting someone else, I would help, but as it is I really do need to go. Losing hot sun to test my snorkel gear out in the condo pool so I can make returns/exchanges tomorrow and further tests before going to Hawaii Tuesday. Also someone is coming over to teach how to pill the cats while we're out of town.

I can't babysit the thread and defend any more.

If you vote with AM or anyone on me, we're going to lose.

Bob please take your head out of your butt if you're not a wolf and realize your assumptions on genny and myself are just bad, and AM is not correcting you. She knows better.
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Assuming likely wolf PR. I hope no wolf PR, but it's likely. Avoidance is just a guess. Blocker is most likely out for previously mentioned reasons.

Yep. But someone has to go.

You can start your own Mel slogan of "village dies if they yeet me!" So something good will come of it 🙂

Sorry

I'm jealous. That sounds like an amazing and well deserved trip!

Some lessons are just learned the hard way! How ironic would it be if the time I finally trusted AM, she turned out to be wolf! lol
 
Crayola227 said:
Uh, all I've got is you're assuming there is an avoidance because you're certain I'm genny's partner and that's why I'm trying to get people not to vote me. If there was some good reason to assume an avoidance, not seeing it.
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Assuming avoidance as worst case scenario PR. (prepare for the worst)
 
Viscernable said:
Do you have a reason to trust her claim?
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She could have just put backup role. She put universal backup role to PR that dies first. This implies 2 other PR roles. And this implies to different PR's. There is another assumption that I can't list. 2 of them are correct for sure which is a huge coincidence for a fake claim to be correct on. So overall, I believe it. But there is a slight chance it could be wrong (I don't have a version that rules her out 100%).

You are about as village cleared as I can get on someone (since no one else has said they are protector)
 
Animal Midwife said:
And what is all this about losing to me? Why are you not trying to convince anyone onto genny? It's all about a last minute shift to me.
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I'm telling you. It is Cray and genny. One or both have PR. Hopefully we get the correct one. I think it is Cray. Throw in that genny invited us to yeet herself and I feel even better about voting Cray first.

We need to yeet Cray first. Protect well. Yeet genny next. Protect well again (if there is avoidance). Then yeet genny again.

If cray has avoidance, then hope we protect well tonight (but don't worry about me)
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I'm telling you. It is Cray and genny. One or both have PR. Hopefully we get the correct one. I think it is Cray. Throw in that genny invited us to yeet herself and I feel even better about voting Cray first.

We need to yeet Cray first. Protect well. Yeet genny next. Protect well again (if there is avoidance). Then yeet genny again.

If cray has avoidance, then hope we protect well tonight (but don't worry about me)
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Well, I'm assuming it's one of those avoidances that dissolves when the numbers are reduced to one wolf. Otherwise, we are wasting our time because the game is balanced on ridiculously perfect night actions instead of realistic outcomes.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Well, I'm assuming it's one of those avoidances that dissolves when the numbers are reduced to one wolf. Otherwise, we are wasting our time because the game is balanced on ridiculously perfect night actions instead of realistic outcomes.
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Chaos had yeet avoidance(last game as wolf). And I don't think that it dissolved. If that is the rules they chose, then so be it.

Why hasn't visc moved? A tie, we die with NK. Especially when genny manipulates the vote. And genny not voting yet makes her look even more sus
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I'm telling you. It is Cray and genny. One or both have PR. Hopefully we get the correct one. I think it is Cray. Throw in that genny invited us to yeet herself and I feel even better about voting Cray first.

We need to yeet Cray first. Protect well. Yeet genny next. Protect well again (if there is avoidance). Then yeet genny again.

If cray has avoidance, then hope we protect well tonight (but don't worry about me)
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Consider that AM and cray are not compatible and vote genny just in case it’s AM/genny rather than Cray/genny?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Chaos had yeet avoidance. And I don't think that it dissolved. If that is the rules they chose, then so be it.

Why hasn't visc moved? A tie, we die with NK. Especially when genny manipulates the vote. And genny not voting yet makes her look even more sus
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Right, but that was a mechanical error by Sporty. Chaos for all intents and purposes won when I died.

I'm worried Vis fell asleep.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
This is waaay down the list of plausible possibilities. Not to mention her claim checks out on a couple of points. If we lose bc of this, that is acceptable. To disregard the vastly more plausible option (cray/genny) and lose would hurt.
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I don’t intend to ignore it, but we can yeet genny first
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Chaos had yeet avoidance(last game as wolf). And I don't think that it dissolved. If that is the rules they chose, then so be it.

Why hasn't visc moved? A tie, we die with NK. Especially when genny manipulates the vote. And genny not voting yet makes her look even more sus
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what's the point? i think it's vis + AM. By leaving it a tie, we have a better chance.
 
AM claim checks out more than anything Cray has done. Plus, you know they have a PR and genny wanted us to vote her first. And cray flipped top 2 wolf for top 2 village. Reeks of wolf move.
 
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