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samac said:
So it wasn’t me who got left behind. No one else has owned up to it and I think everyone else has posted? Why tf is someone keeping that a secret?

Guys I got so much **** today I’m sorry. Pippy has had to put up with me for 48 whole hours. Y’all should show her some love for that.
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Probs a better way to phrase @genny 's question is did anyone have an action happen TO them last night??
 
Cyndia said:
More importantly was there anything you shared with him?
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Mkg? No actually.
it was < 1 page and the shortest of my PMs. Even my PM with TE was 2 pages. She did tell me she was really busy and had a lot going on with the vet and her horse so that probably softened me a little. I had so many other PMs I didn’t focus on it.
Interestingly she sent me a message saying Bob’s PM partner needs to tell him to stop posting when he was posting about thread lock. She also sent me a message asking basically omg Bob is a wolf how would MsP know which was interesting.
 
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samac said:
Mkg? No actually.
it was < 1 page and the shortest of my PMs. Even my PM with TE was 2 pages. She did tell me she was really busy and had a lot going on with the vet and her horse so that probably softened me a little. I had so many other PMs I didn’t focus on it.
Interestingly she sent me a message saying Bob’s PM partner needs to tell him to stop posting when he was posting about thread lock and sent me a message asking basically omg Bob is a wolf how would MsP know which was interesting.
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come again, but with punctuation
 
If we are going on the Sherriff of Nottingham theory, then it isn't AM.

Unless she and samac are w/w, I don't think she would have sat on a packmate into a tie. If we're willing to assume they aren't making a very risky w/w play, then for the teapot theory to be correct it would have to be Finn.
 
Also wolves, haha that you all started the silence process night one and you never could have guessed I would be the one to fall for mkg’s fake claim. Y’all dug your own grave there cause I couldn’t defend her.
 
holdthemayo said:
If we are going on the Sherriff of Nottingham theory, then it isn't AM.

Unless she and samac are w/w, I don't think she would have sat on a packmate into a tie. If we're willing to assume they aren't making a very risky w/w play, then for the teapot theory to be correct it would have to be Finn.
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Wait how is AM cleared? Just by the votes?
Also if AM and I were both wolves it would be reeeeealll dumb of me to throw out the wolves in the north theory if there was 2 of us.
 
samac said:
Wait how is AM cleared? Just by the votes?
Also if AM and I were both wolves it would be reeeeealll dumb of me to throw out the wolves in the north theory if there was 2 of us.
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AM typically doesn't bus, and she definitely didn't need to. She also was the first to correctly point out that the vig shot was most likely a wolf - which turned out to be true and helped keep the vote on mkg.

If it isn't her then it has to be Finn. Even if the teapot theory is wrong, Finn is an attractive vote candidate based on VCA - for reasons I said above.
 
holdthemayo said:
AM typically doesn't bus, and she definitely didn't need to. She also was the first to correctly point out that the vig shot was most likely a wolf - which turned out to be true and helped keep the vote on mkg.

If it isn't her then it has to be Finn. Even if the teapot theory is wrong, Finn is an attractive vote candidate based on VCA - for reasons I said above.
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I like it.
and if it’s right people will let me tinfoil my little heart out right?
contingency yeet finn
 
I see where this is going so I'm just going to state for the record that I am not planning on being engaged tomorrow. I can't do 36 hours a cycle of this. I'm already super fatigued.

I'm not sure why some of you are putting so much stake in a theory of location when we know that even if most roles are in the most logical starting location... not all of them are. This was proven by SARs flip because she should have been in London and wasn't, right? Or am I remembering this completely wrong?

I am not a good vote. So sure, you can grill me when I come back on the second day of the cycle but don't waste an entire 24 hours sitting around on me and not discussing other options because of a ridiculous theory.

holdthemayo said:
She also was the first to correctly point out that the vig shot was most likely a wolf - which turned out to be true and helped keep the vote on mkg.
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First of all, when was this proven true? Second of all, if it was then I don't think someone being correct about that is a point in their favor. Comes off more to me as knowing too much.
 
finnickthedog said:
I see where this is going so I'm just going to state for the record that I am not planning on being engaged tomorrow. I can't do 36 hours a cycle of this. I'm already super fatigued.

I'm not sure why some of you are putting so much stake in a theory of location when we know that even if most roles are in the most logical starting location... not all of them are. This was proven by SARs flip because she should have been in London and wasn't, right? Or am I remembering this completely wrong?

I am not a good vote. So sure, you can grill me when I come back on the second day of the cycle but don't waste an entire 24 hours sitting around on me and not discussing other options because of a ridiculous theory.



First of all, when was this proven true? Second of all, if it was then I don't think someone being correct about that is a point in their favor. Comes off more to me as knowing too much.
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I think more AM being the 3rd vote on mkg last cycle is more promising for AM then explaining the shot, but I also think it was wolfy or 3P. Why the **** would a villager shoot zenge?
 
finnickthedog said:
First of all, when was this proven true? Second of all, if it was then I don't think someone being correct about that is a point in their favor. Comes off more to me as knowing too much.
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I'll be busy too, so we might as well argue now.

It was proven likely true when mkg flipped wolf. If it was just a bad vig shot, then it didn't implicate mkg at all. Even maybe cleared her.

I'm not clearing AM just based on that. Her VCA makes it unlikely she is a wolf. There was no reason to bus mkg, and AM usually doesn't bus anyway.
 
WildZoo said:
I was actually going to ask the same thing @holdthemayo, I'm not sure that mkg flipping wolf confirms the vig was wolf
(Even though I still think it was)
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It could have still been a very bad village shot,
a neutral 3P shot,
or a logical (if flawed) wolf shot.

Occam's razor. We know mkg flipped wolf and we know that Zenge was pushing her. His ability suggests he had some sort of seering ability (maybe passive). I think it was a desperation move from a wolf who knew they were outed. It's the most likely of the choices.
 
Also, for if my location theory proves right if anyone has any suspects for someone who is evil with candy from London lore/history that would be cool knowledge.
 
I do agree AM is pretty clear though

I'm still not sure about the Sheriff tinfoil. Need to look at the other flips, I thought there was one that didn't fit their location but I could be remembering wrong. Might be worth it just to settle it though lol
 
holdthemayo said:
It could have still been a very bad village shot,
a neutral 3P shot,
or a logical (if flawed) wolf shot.

Occam's razor. We know mkg flipped wolf and we know that Zenge was pushing her. His ability suggests he had some sort of seering ability (maybe passive). I think it was a desperation move from a wolf who knew they were outed. It's the most likely of the choices.
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Oh I agree, I just wasn't sure if I missed it being confirmed
 
finnickthedog said:
I can't reconcile mkg being a wolf and the vig shot also being wolfy. I can see either being true, but I can't wrap my head around both being true.

I don't really have much of a read on mkg to begin with.I'd love to ask samac more about why she felt mkg was being genuine--are we talking about the information seemed legit and if so, why or are we talking about "I just get good feels". I'd tried to parse this out during the vote, but given the short time frame I don't feel I really got to pursue that as much as I would have liked. Neither Vis nor mkg were my first choice yesterday.

@WildZoo I'm too lazy to find your post again and quote it but why do you feel better about alissa? I'm still thinking possible sketch and I'm not seeing anything that makes me rethink that.


I must have missed something. Where did James Bond come into this?
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Oooph the shot and mkg being wolf didn’t age well
 
WildZoo said:
I do agree AM is pretty clear though

I'm still not sure about the Sheriff tinfoil. Need to look at the other flips, I thought there was one that didn't fit their location but I could be remembering wrong. Might be worth it just to settle it though lol
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I'm not convinced on the Sherriff tinfoil either, but I'm big on VCA and Finn's is problematic. It's a vote that works for both.
 
WildZoo said:
I do agree AM is pretty clear though

I'm still not sure about the Sheriff tinfoil. Need to look at the other flips, I thought there was one that didn't fit their location but I could be remembering wrong. Might be worth it just to settle it though lol
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It’s time to shut me up about it. Let’s be real.
 
holdthemayo said:
I'll be busy too, so we might as well argue now.

It was proven likely true when mkg flipped wolf. If it was just a bad vig shot, then it didn't implicate mkg at all. Even maybe cleared her.

I'm not clearing AM just based on that. Her VCA makes it unlikely she is a wolf. There was no reason to bus mkg, and AM usually doesn't bus anyway.
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I mean, I'm not gonna argue long because I like sleep.

I disagree though. I said earlier and I stand by it that I could see that shot being wolfy OR I could see mkg being a wolf. I see no world in which both is a logical conclusion. So I reject the idea that mkg's flip has made it "likely true".

I have never been able to read AM so I'm not about to argue about what's likely for her. But I don't think "she said it was a wolf vig" should earn her--or anyone--any village points.

samac said:
Oooph the shot and mkg being wolf didn’t age well
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This was never proven and I stand by my earlier statement.

With mkgs flip, I do not think the shot was wolfy at all.
 
finnickthedog said:
I mean, I'm not gonna argue long because I like sleep.

I disagree though. I said earlier and I stand by it that I could see that shot being wolfy OR I could see mkg being a wolf. I see no world in which both is a logical conclusion. So I reject the idea that mkg's flip has made it "likely true".

I have never been able to read AM so I'm not about to argue about what's likely for her. But I don't think "she said it was a wolf vig" should earn her--or anyone--any village points.



This was never proven and I stand by my earlier statement.

With mkgs flip, I do not think the shot was wolfy at all.
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I disagree with you. If I was wolf, I might have shot him if I thought I could WIFOM out of it to get him off my back.
 
genny said:
the write up said he was looking for ladies. as a ninja. not abilities, not role names, just women.
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Ooooh I get it.
probably either Sar or TE was killed by the ripper. If he finds one he kills her.
 
holdthemayo said:
How though? If mkg was an outed wolf she was going down either way.

Shooting Zenge gave her a chance to save herself and also took out a village PR.
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I think Z's death was the nail in her coffin. How does proving the person after you is in fact a villager give you better a chance of saving yourself? As for taking out a village PR... well that relies on them knowing that Z was a PR. Which I suppose is possible and is the one logical explanation I could see for taking the shot.
 
finnickthedog said:
I think Z's death was the nail in her coffin. How does proving the person after you is in fact a villager give you better a chance of saving yourself? As for taking out a village PR... well that relies on them knowing that Z was a PR. Which I suppose is possible and is the one logical explanation I could see for taking the shot.
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What you’re saying is dumb and impossible literally happened in emojis. And wolves won.
 
samac said:
What you’re saying is dumb and impossible literally happened in emojis. And wolves won.
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I didn't say it was "impossible" because well... that would be stupid. Anything is possible.

But it's a dumb move.

And wolves have won games making dumb moves before. I've watched them do it as a mod. So "wolves won" is not an argument for why a particular move is not bad.

Just because something works out, doesn't automatically make it good play.
 
finnickthedog said:
I think Z's death was the nail in her coffin. How does proving the person after you is in fact a villager give you better a chance of saving yourself? As for taking out a village PR... well that relies on them knowing that Z was a PR. Which I suppose is possible and is the one logical explanation I could see for taking the shot.
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Z was pushing pretty hard. If you knew you were seered as a wolf, isn't that where you would look?

I lost to a seer in the noob game this year. I absolutely would have shot her (or had my pack do it) early in the day before she role revealed if I had the chance. Worst case scenario it is trading 1 wolf for 1 PR vs 1 wolf for nothing.
 
holdthemayo said:
Z was pushing pretty hard. If you knew you were seered as a wolf, isn't that where you would look?

I lost to a seer in the noob game this year. I absolutely would have shot her (or had my pack do it) early in the day if I had the chance. Worst case scenario it is trading 1 wolf for 1 PR vs 1 wolf for nothing.
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Where do we have any evidence that mkg knew they were seered?

Like you're now bringing in conditional factors into this that we have no proof existed in order to make your argument. After I already conceded, that sure if they had proof Z was a power role then the shot might make sense. But that's a big if.

And for whatever it's worth, if Z had actually seered a wolf and had solid mod proof that mkg was a wolf, I'd have expected him to be a lot more explicit about it. I know it's been awhile since I played but "back in my day" people who had mod confirmed a wolf where a heck of a lot more open about it so that we didn't spend multiple cycles debating whether to vote that person or not.
 
samac said:
So it wasn’t me who got left behind. No one else has owned up to it and I think everyone else has posted? Why tf is someone keeping that a secret?

Guys I got so much **** today I’m sorry. Pippy has had to put up with me for 48 whole hours. Y’all should show her some love for that.
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Perhaps it's cause a wolf did
 
samac said:
So it wasn’t me who got left behind. No one else has owned up to it and I think everyone else has posted? Why tf is someone keeping that a secret?

Guys I got so much **** today I’m sorry. Pippy has had to put up with me for 48 whole hours. Y’all should show her some love for that.
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Could being left behind make people more vulnerable?
Feel like I could see a lot of reasons someone wouldn't announce it.
 
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