Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

[NateTheLesser]

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Actually Nate said he’s not affiliated with me anymore. I don’t think he’s a backup but who knows?

(Still Town, but I don't have an additional faction/wincon beyond that)

 

[NateTheLesser]

Hi I've been at work since 5am, I also go to bed at 9pm because I can't hang with little sleep
I'm also still at work

(Have any quick thoughts off the top of your head? Anything you've been mulling over?)

 

[miranda920]

(Have any quick thoughts off the top of your head? Anything you've been mulling over?)

I don't trust fluff at all, and neither should any of you.

 

[motheatenlysis]

I don't trust fluff at all, and neither should any of you.

can you give me the TLDR and/or the ELI5 for why?

edit: two the's. should have been a me.

 

[miranda920]

can you give the the TLDR and/or the ELI5 for why?

The ELI5, if her character is who I think it is, many of the characters didn’t trust her. She keeps claiming she knows her allies and some gently vouches. Probably because those other roles will die if she does.
We don’t know what her full role is, but I bet she’s hiding something
This is just what my gut is telling me

 

[Aprilthearab]

Hm. Unless the search engine is stupid, which is always a possibility, SDN says Zenge has not mentioned or interacted with Poppy a single time this game.

And when I looked up Poppy, all I found about Zenge was her parking her vote on him and riding it out all the way to yeet close, staying on him even when he was tied for the lead half an hour before yeet close.

Hmmm I like this reasoning.
I'm gonna change my vote, but I still feel off about you.

Unyeet Nate
yeet Zenge

Their back-and-forth with fluff rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like a weirdly volatile stance to take as village. But also the reluctance in having a discussion in explaining their reasoning of doubling-down on wanting to yeet fluff? Saying "now isn't a good time"? Ik they said they didn't mean to seem hostile, but it came off very much so....I'd like to hear what they have to say.

Day 2: Only Thorns on This Rose 🌹

Nate (3) - AM, Wiisp, PlumPoppy, miranda920
PSV (3) - WildZoo/DubZ, fluff, Wondalfy
mothy ()
PlumPoppy (3) - April, SOV, chicandtough
VeggieTrex ()
April (4) - SAR, Santy, CaptNemo>samac, Nate
fluff (2) - HW>mayo, genny
Zenge (3) - zuri>Lawpy, PlumPoppy, mothy
Wiisp (1) - Clem

19/23

Winning: @Aprilthearab but close vote just behind!
Missing: @alleycat03 @VeggieTrex @potentialsheltervet @SARdoghandler

Vote ends 10pm EST/9pm CST/etc TODAY, 1/16/23 (~4.5 hours)

(This is what I have for a tally btw:

Nate 5 (AM, miranda, Veggie, genny, Wisp) Zenge 5 (Lawpy, Poppy, mothy, mayo, Nate) PSV 4 (Dubz, fluff, Wondalfy, SAR) Poppy 3 (April, SOV, chic) April 1 (Santy) fluff 1 (samac) Wisp 1 (Clem) Santy 1 (PSV) Lawpy 1 (Zenge)
)

PSV 6 (Dubz, fluff, Wondalfy, SAR, Wisp, alley) Zenge 5 (Lawpy, Poppy, mothy, mayo, Nate) Nate 4 (AM, miranda, Veggie, genny) Poppy 3 (April, SOV, chic) April 1 (Santy) fluff 1 (samac) Wisp 1 (Clem) Santy 1 (PSV) Lawpy 1 (Zenge)

Day 2 Tally FINAL: Only Thorns Left On This Rose

Nate 9: AM, miranda, Veggie, genny, alley, chic, PSV, samac, Wiisp
PSV 6: Dubz, fluff, Wondalfy, SAR, Nate, mothy
Zenge 2: Lawpy, Poppy
Poppy 2: April, SOV
April 1: Santy
fluff:
Wisp 1: Clem
Santy:
Lawpy 1: Zenge
Clem 1: mayo

MISSING: None

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I know that might not be enough for others to consider them unpaired but given this and Zenge's villagey frustration today, I'm not interested in yeeting Zenge

 

[Viscernable]

wonders if likely wolf!Vis is making a real push or distancing

I’m not sure who I’m hypothetically making a push on or distancing from. I’m mostly confused about the whole situation. I see now that I’ve caught up some (don’t even know what I’ve read vs not at this point lol **** me) that they actually aren’t lovers but are bodyguard. But to me reading the thread yesterday it seemed like a clear lover claim on SAR’s part, so I would still assume that wolves would have read it that way too if both were village (and Z, if he already had the info yesterday? I forget if said he did that last night or the night before). But then there’s other reasons wolves go for someone else over potential lovers. And fluff’s behaviour with mechanical reveals early game + her and nate vouching for each other doesn’t seem consistent with wolf fluff to me

 

[Viscernable]

I missed a large portion of today's posting so I don't know how much it was discussed, but I think there was suspicion that Vis was resurrected by Poppy

Or was it the village rezzer who rezzed Vis and Nate was the wolf rez?

Someone else claimed nate’s rez so it was either poppy or someone else who rezzed me

 

[Aprilthearab]

I’m not sure who I’m hypothetically making a push on or distancing from. I’m mostly confused about the whole situation. I see now that I’ve caught up some (don’t even know what I’ve read vs not at this point lol **** me) that they actually aren’t lovers but are bodyguard. But to me reading the thread yesterday it seemed like a clear lover claim on SAR’s part, so I would still assume that wolves would have read it that way too if both were village (and Z, if he already had the info yesterday? I forget if said he did that last night or the night before). But then there’s other reasons wolves go for someone else over potential lovers. And fluff’s behaviour with mechanical reveals early game + her and nate vouching for each other doesn’t seem consistent with wolf fluff to me

Pushing/distancing from Zenge. What's your read on him right now?

 

[Viscernable]

Maybe she’s a bodyguard or a protector.

Oh god not protectorgate again we just did this. Manators gonna stroke out

 

[Viscernable]

Pushing/distancing from Zenge. What's your read on him right now?

Confused. I’d been wondering if he’s pursuing a wincon to get fluff or SAR dead but with him claiming he has a vigshot he clearly has an easier way to do that. So either villager making a weird push or wolf making a weird push.

 

[Viscernable]

(Let's not get factions and affiliation all mixed together again. We spent several pages yesterday trying to figure out if AM's message meant that people in the same faction were all the same affiliation. I think it's notable though that Poppy didn't have any faction other than the wolf faction)

As far as I’m concerned that flip buried the “factions are not factions” tinfoil once and for all

 

[Animal Midwife]

As far as I’m concerned that flip buried the “factions are not factions” tinfoil once and for all

I don't understand what you're saying here.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I don't understand what you're saying here.

I think he says and I agree :Faction member = villager. Wolves are their own separate group . At least at the outset of the game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think he says and I agree :Faction member = villager. Wolves are their own separate group . At least at the outset of the game.

Seems deeply broken and I don't expect that from Sporty.

 

[justafluff]

Confused. I’d been wondering if he’s pursuing a wincon to get fluff or SAR dead but with him claiming he has a vigshot he clearly has an easier way to do that. So either villager making a weird push or wolf making a weird push.

Honestly, if Zenge was village & against the church he'd have shot me and SAR and gotten rid of us already.

 

[Lawpy]

Seems deeply broken and I don't expect that from Sporty.

But poppy’s flip directly says she’s a wolf

 

[Animal Midwife]

Honestly, if Zenge was village & against the church he'd have shot me and SAR and gotten rid of us already.

Not saying he isn't village, but how exactly would he have shot you already?

 

[Lawpy]

Dead is @PlumPoppy - Thales, Those Who Slither In The Dark (WOLF), who could resurrect one player during the game.

@Animal Midwife

 

[Animal Midwife]

But poppy’s flip directly says she’s a wolf

Yeah, that was her affiliation.

 

[justafluff]

Seems deeply broken and I don't expect that from Sporty.

Why is it broken? Isn't every wolfpack in every game similar? The only difference from the village factions that they can NK people and share a PM.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Seems deeply broken and I don't expect that from Sporty.

Not really. It is a just a starting point.

 

[Lawpy]

Yeah, that was her affiliation.

Oh

I think i see what you’re saying. You’re disagreeing that Those Who Slither In the Dark necessarily means they’re wolf.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Yeah, that was her affiliation.

You think she was in a faction and someone knows that and isn’t saying anything? Highly improbable.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Sorry guys I felt really awful last night. Catching up now since I can see I was tagged a bit. Didn't mean to ghost last night

 

[justafluff]

Oh

I think i see what you’re saying. You’re disagreeing that Those Who Slither In the Dark necessarily means they’re wolf.

Oh. That makes sense. Well we'll see after miranda's flip I guess. If she's also TWSiD, then that confirms it for me.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why is it broken? Isn't every wolfpack in every game similar? The only difference from the village factions that they can NK people and share a PM.

No. This would be even easier than any noob game that's ever been ran. If that's true, it means everyone could have massclaimed D1 and had a perfect POE. In fact, it'd still be the case now.

 

[Viscernable]

I don't understand what you're saying here.

My flavour faction has a common wincon that, in combo with the overall village wincon of eliminating wolves, is not consistent with the possibility of wolves being in it. We have now had a wolf flip and they are in their own flavour faction different from any that villagers are in. Wolves might have cover roles, they might have roles like godfather that give innacurate seering results, but they are not actually in other factions. To me, mod-given info at the start of the game in your role PM is very different from seering results, and should always be accurate except in bastard games.

 

[Lawpy]

You think she was in a faction and someone knows that and isn’t saying anything? Highly improbable.

I think the idea is there’s a villager who’s Those Who Slither in the Dark and they didn’t know Poppy was actually a wolf

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oh

I think i see what you’re saying. You’re disagreeing that Those Who Slither In the Dark necessarily means they’re wolf.

I don't know since I'm not looking for flavor when fakeclaims could be present.

 

[justafluff]

No. This would be even easier than any noob game that's ever been ran. If that's true, it means everyone could have massclaimed D1 and had a perfect POE. In fact, it'd still be the case now.

Perhaps. But a wolf can also fake claim to be in one of the other factions, just as they fake claim to be villagers. I got what you meant though with faction vs affiliation, Lawpy explained it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

You think she was in a faction and someone knows that and isn’t saying anything? Highly improbable.

It would be silly to out yourself for someone that you don't know is trustworthy.

 

[Animal Midwife]

My flavour faction has a common wincon that, in combo with the overall village wincon of eliminating wolves, is not consistent with the possibility of wolves being in it. We have now had a wolf flip and they are in their own flavour faction different from any that villagers are in. Wolves might have cover roles, they might have roles like godfather that give innacurate seering results, but they are not actually in other factions. To me, mod-given info at the start of the game in your role PM is very different from seering results, and should always be accurate except in bastard games.

That's still be broken and no fakeclaim or godfather role could save them.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Perhaps. But a wolf can also fake claim to be in one of the other factions, just as they fake claim to be villagers. I got what you meant though with faction vs affiliation, Lawpy explained it.

No they couldn't fakeclaim at all. It'd take two seconds to ask everyone "Is this person in your faction?" If the answer is no, they're outted.

 

[Lawpy]

I don't know since I'm not looking for flavor when fakeclaims could be present.

Yeah but that doesn’t necessarily discredit the idea that all the wolves can be in the same faction because they can have cover roles in one of the other factions

 

[Viscernable]

That's still be broken and no fakeclaim or godfather role could save them.

I really don’t see why?

 

[Lawpy]

No they couldn't fakeclaim at all. It'd take two seconds to ask everyone "Is this person in your faction?" If the answer is no, they're outted.

Oh… hmm i see

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeah but that doesn’t necessarily discredit the idea that all the wolves can be in the same faction because they can have cover roles in one of the other factions

That's my point. Faction =/= affiliation.

 

[Lawpy]

Basically AM your point is don’t use flavor as an AI tool

 

[Viscernable]

No they couldn't fakeclaim at all. It'd take two seconds to ask everyone "Is this person in your faction?" If the answer is no, they're outted.

How would they know if they’re in their faction? Some people have limited info about some other people in their faction, I highly highly doubt anyone knows everyone in their faction

 

[Animal Midwife]

Basically AM your point is don’t use flavor as an AI tool

Yes as I always say.

 

[justafluff]

How would they know if they’re in their faction? Some people have limited info about some other people in their faction, I highly highly doubt anyone knows everyone in their faction

Yeah, so far, I'm the only one, and I only know of 3 ppl (now 2). Maybe there's more, who knows.

 

[Animal Midwife]

How would they know if they’re in their faction? Some people have limited info about some other people in their faction, I highly highly doubt anyone knows everyone in their faction

I don't intend to test that out but you don't think it'd be outting if wolves were the convenient blind spot in every faction?

 

[Wiisp]

So there are no town or wolf flips, but we shouldn't use flavor to mean anything, beautiful

 

[StartingoverVet]

No. This would be even easier than any noob game that's ever been ran. If that's true, it means everyone could have massclaimed D1 and had a perfect POE. In fact, it'd still be the case now.

And you don’t know the consequences of doing so since we were warned about that. Perhaps it activates conversions or resurrections or multiple wolf kills. You are really stretching here to ignore the obvious.

You might be right, but all evidence says otherwise and it’s all tinfoil.

I think the wolves powers are still unknown so maybe we need that kind of ability to survive.

I, and most everyone else, is taking the evidence as it is, you are trying to find a reason to disbelieve it. Maybe you are right but so far it is serving us well to find the wolves.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So there are no town or wolf flips, but we shouldn't use flavor to mean anything, beautiful

What do you mean? We've had a wolf flip and multiple village flips.

 

[Wiisp]

What do you mean? We've had a wolf flip and multiple village flips.

Have we? Where? We had names and affiliation flips, because ur under the impression it doesn't mean anything, unless im misreading this entire page

 

[Animal Midwife]

And you don’t know the consequences of doing so since we were warned about that. Perhaps it activates conversions or resurrections or multiple wolf kills. You are really stretching here to ignore the obvious.

That doesn't make it any less broken. If anything, that makes it even worse.

You might be right, but all evidence says otherwise and it’s all tinfoil.

All evidence. Where?

I think the wolves powers are still unknown so maybe we need that kind of ability to survive.

I mean, that's always the case and doesn't really have to do with the discussion.

I, and most everyone else, is taking the evidence as it is, you are trying to find a reason to disbelieve it. Maybe you are right but so far it is serving us well to find the wolves.

"Trust me bro" isn't evidence.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Have we? Where? We had names and affiliation flips, because ur under the impression it doesn't mean anything, unless im misreading this entire page

No? Poppy was the first flip that specifically said wolf. None of the other ones have.

 

[Wiisp]

Ahh, I did not see that, ill think about this again once Miranda flips