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And why is SAR a wolfread?
moth, I love you but there are several things wrong with this post.I'm thinking there is something hiding in our D1/D2 votes.
D1
PSV: SAR, Wonda
Genny: DubZ, Clem, alley, Poppy, Santy, Wiisp, Nate, fluff
Zuri: SAR, Veg, AM, genny, Nemo, zuri
Fluff: Zenge, PSV, April, Chic, Mir
D2
Nate: AM, Mir, Veg, Genny, Alley, Chic, PSV, Samac, Wisp
PSV: Dubz, fluff, Wonda, SAR, Nate, mothy
Poppy: April, SOV
Zenge: Lawpy, Poppy
It doesn't make much sense to analyze D3 votes, but I want to look more into who defended Mir on D3 (if anyone).
Santy: you're in the middle for me rn. Can't say one way or the other. Not sure I will be joining the yeet train tonight unless I see something big happen.
Mayo: village. We've had this convo a million times
Clem: not getting a great read on Clem tbh. I just think comments have been a little chaotic, so I can't say one way or the other.
Alley: voted Genny D1. If we think Genny is Alpha wolf, then this could have been April knowing that Genny wouldn't die. But it was still a vote for a wolf, so why not pile on village instead? Then again, Poppy voted Genny.
Vis: I don't even know where to start. I think you were rezzed by a wolf.
SAR: honestly sort of starting to lean wolf to me. I need to ISO you better.
Zenge: reading village of 3P pretty hard. Still not sure what the tiff with Fluff was about tho, so...always taking that into consideration.
AM: Read as village for much of the game, but analysis of D1 and D2 votes has me less confident.
SOV: You voted Poppy on D2 with April. Could have been hiding behind the vote, or more likely, not a wolf.
Fluff: You're church and I am just going to let it be. Mir went after you D1, which could have been to cover, but they could have alsp hopped on anyone else.
Lawpy: Idk man. I'm going wolf vibes with rn. You hit Zenge pretty hard.
April: Village. Was first horse onto Poppy.
Chic: I think you're a wolf. Sorry.
Wiisp: reading village to me for the most part.
Nate: I think you are genuinely nothing atm.
Mothy's list village-->woof:
Mayo
Mothy
April
Fluff
Wiisp
Zenge
SOV
Nate
AM
Santy
Clem
Alley
Lawpy
VIS
SAR
Chic
Yeet Chic @kaydubs
Okay, I only have an hour or so before I have to go. Sun isn't so intense and curtains are covering me up so I'm good for now. Let's do this.
(OST needed to hear while reading this. It's a bot and I think it goes kinda well with my character here. So listen is obliged. Anyone who doesn't listen it is bad at mafia and will be yeeted)
Santygrass : I am village. My intellect is totally above the rest of the villagers, and I have a far superior knowledge thanks to all my research, clearly.
Clem J : Claimed to be same aff as Zenge. Flipped a read fairly quickly when Wisp/SoV claimed their aff. Possibly Golden Deer. The way they bonked them also felt villagey, leaning on Golden Deer maybe but not sure.
Mothy : The boobclear isn't enough. I think their tone is natural and the replies to the confusion about Ashen Wolves despite knowing TWSID felt... Good? But could be somewhat couched or maybe a good tone to get away with a slip there. Definetily has equity with the flipped mafia we have already too, and in terms of solving, I'd say is... Severely lacking. Another thing I noticed is that in the noob game, Mothy was a chaotic village, speaking in german just because, doing bomb menaces and just trying crazy stuff. Here they are super toned down if it makes sense? Maybe some other noobs can talk about how they feel regarding this point.
mayo is vouching for them / having a clear there, but they didnt go into detail as of why.
Alleycat : I think... April was the one who noticed how they threw early miranda sus, so I think thats a good point in favor of their case, because a player who is clearly behind isnt going to try to bus a packmate imo. The counterpoint I need to fact check if it was after the night in where Wonda seered Miranda. As in: Maybe as a wolf they knew Miranda was seered and possibly done for, so it could be them setting up. Otherwise, they been kinda UTR and cant give a enough strong opinion to lean on one side. If PoE keeps reducing then they would be a yeet candidate? We'll se when we get there
genny : Still thinking they are likely a wolf LMAO. Content-wise maybe they have one or two post that sound slightly-villagey? But even ignoring the whole not-yeeted thingy and ****ery, I think by comparison / gamestate, with all these vouches and just a lot of people being more villagey, thing just make more sense if we are in a genny wolf world. Idk if there are 3 Hopes Characters here but I could see one being an alpha wolf , and even if not, something that the didnt claim giving them a yeet avoidsnce is what I think.
I saw the point of people giving genny somewhat of a trust for the miranda vote D1, but like.... They didn't get yeeted, that wasn't a bus, and could be something planned to do a 'safe distancing' , so sorry but I don't buy that argument at all.
Viscernable : THE REZZED, INTASUS. Putting that aside, people noticing a tone shift between Rezzed Vis and Prime Vis is somewhat worrying, and honestly I don't know if I'm confbiasing but I could see their content more focused on *pushing* rather than *solving* . I don't know if that makes sense, but maybe this is me struggling to find vibe with Vis trains of thought and solving right now. Also, unless someone else claims it, they were ressed by... A wolf. That is from the faction that kills people and replace them to infiltrate places. So yeah...
SARdoghandler : Very... Pure? Style of posting that just was kinda transparent and was really easy to see them as the church affiliation with fluff. It's weird because at the start I kinda squinted at their content, but without noticing I absorbed the consensus read of SAR being villagey and I can't unsee it. Also SAR I am still waiting for your credit card number pls my daughter has to eat and go to bed I'm poor.
Zenge : Honestly? Mixed feelings because I don't kno what is on Zenge's mind, or how he got so 'confidently' to make some statements.... That didn't make sense. My problem with Zenge is that... Even if at the moment it made my stomach revolve just the obliviousness to church transparency overall, I think their push isn't wolfy.
Like, specially their 'fluff is outed' type of post, the timing of it was just super poor and totally unaware of threadstate (miranda was dying always there, so the push was doomed and didnt gain any momentum), and the frustration they showed at some points seems really genuine. My tinfoil is that maybe villegy while trying to achieve something from their wincon tbh. Also Clem claimed same affiliation as Zenge, so thats another point in their favor ig .
Animal Midwife : I can vibe with SAR motives as to why AM obliviousness / stubborness regarding some points are just more likely to be wolfy frustration at a game which is being solved with flavor (specially with the flavor seering from miranda happening on that day) . And all their pushes had been way off the mark, so she is having sort of the same Zenge's obliviousness but without much reason to townread her? Counterpoints here, is that some dead village that know AM better than me villaread her, and they did say that they could be mech-clear ? If the mech clear AM talks about ends up being some kind of logic being twisted or a oblivious take on flavor I would insta yeet them tho.
SOV : Villagey pushes, and their rationale / tome adds up. They are also a Faction leader, and if they know all their allies and their allies know its him, I think that sort of position is never a wolf. Because if that is the trend, a faction whose leader is a fake, would put them in a huge disadvantage regarding the other factions. So mech-clear in my head.
The counterpoint is that claiming faction leader on thread even if it mech-clears you it's probably super dumb because if there i factional cross-fire you put the target on yourself wowee. I have more mech takes regarding this but slightly worried that they give away my affiliation perspective too much so I'll hold them close to my chest and keep mulling them over.
Mayo : Kinda already said it, but the principal reason I was vibing with mayo its because their catchup entrance was good to me, mostly because they were bringing up points i had in my mind on April.
With hindsight and seeing April with better eyes rn, I think those points where kinda... Easy stuff to catch up on and for them to 'look bad'. I also have to kinda just reread their content because I felt that besides that I mostly forgotten the most part, and I tend to lowkey wolfread someone when that happens to m with their contesnt because its an indicator of their stuff lacking ~impact~ or ~soul~ if you want to put words into it maybe. Currently is my priority to reread because with all the vouchs and statements being said, I think logically what makes the most sense is for Mayo to be lying in something. Aka: They are townreading AM, Vouching for mothy, and also the item (which worked differently from the one who April had) clears from possible converts and is something that takes heat off of Vis and Nate? Idk I doubt for Mothy/AM/Vis/Nate to be all village, and with mayo statements rn , if one is them is a wolf, mayo has equity with them .
Fluff : Faction leader, see above in what I said about SOV and apply here in regards to that topic. But even a better look because she was just playing with an open agenda super easy to read the whole game. Detrimental to their faction I would say, but something that helps us to clear them and look into other people /shrug
Lawpy : #Stillthinkingtheyarethethirdchurchmember . Despite that, I think the way miranda/poppy treated zuri is somewhat clearing, and nothing from Lawpy pinged me much that I remember? I think individually I have maybe the laziest read here, but I'm okay maintaning it at the moment and revise later.
April: *Puts Tinfoil hat* THE HORSE IS THE KILLER, THAT WOULD TOTALLY BE SPORTY NARRATIVE PLEASE FELLOW VILLAGERS OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
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Okay, I don't really believe it even though I would love it for that to be the case LOL. I think the past day April tone and solving was super villagey, and the pushed / brought attention to both flipped wolves early, so I think they have a really good look imo, and they still feel like poking and trying to solve. And like someone said, a wolf in this state is more expected to look for 'survival' rather than 'solving' so to speak. I vibe pretty much with their thread-feeling of maybe having too much villagey reads and the PoE shrinking .
Chica: I already explained it, REALLY doubt their poppy push comes from a fellow wolf. Specially considering Poppy was also a noob, the whole strenght so to speak of the push and timing is really different from the noob game. The tone and takes they are having I pretty much vibe with also, so they are pretty good in my book.
Nate : ALSO RESSED INSTASUS.
That said, I think Im inclined to believ Nate a little bit more for the factionless claim, and because fluff claimed it and kinda makes sense with what I have on my head on what could've happened.
Also, as a converted wolf I feel like it would be easier to have claimed to 'maintain' alignment? @justafluff were you noticed of Nate losing their church affiliation?
Other than that, Nate feels kinda the same? Well, not the same tbh. Maybe more passive / or null, which kinda adds up to the factionless claim.
COUNTERPOINT , I think a lot of people easily threw Sus on Vis because of being ressed, but Nate got mostly away with it, or heat/push-free , and I dont know how much of a good thing is that analyzing in hindsight .
Wiisp: Another one I just have trouble picking through their brain or how was their game perspective just for the weirness of some of their takes. (Aka the change of read on Nate, the part about complaining to wonda of claiming unnecesary stuff when it was something he already did and then continued doing with factional stuff, and the flame empire kindof slip). Specially looking at the claiming part, I think its mostly wolfy indicative? Because it lacks the village feel of preservation, and he is claiming something that he know it will look villagery, if it makes sense. But just as I have a lot of stuff to maybe pick from Wisp to wolfread him, I also think they have been kinda, super open with their process and I think it weirdly could add up? Not somewhere I would go today imo.
TL;DR : Tiers somewhat ordered.
Cleared
Santygrass
Justafluff
Startingovervet
Village
Chica
SAR
April
Villagey-feels
Lawpy
Clem J
Zenge
Upper PoE
Animal Midwife
Alley
Wiisp
Bottom PoE
Mayo
Nate
Moth
Genny
Viscernable
You have a lot more written for other people and almost nothing written about Chic, who you’re actually voting for.Chic: I think you're a wolf. Sorry.
Zenge... are you alright?I mean, I don’t particularly trust Vissy because it seems like she was rezzed by a wolf.
Mayo says there’s been no conversions; which I’m willing to accept other peoples interpretations may be correct (that Rezzed players switching would count), I don’t know that it is correct, but I'm willing to accept that’s a real possibility.
I also don’t particularly trust Mayo, so, that’s something to consider. I didn’t like some of his responses to April yesterday. They reminded me of some of his tone responses when I’ve seen him wolf.
Along with that people are saying Vis’s tone is different post Rez? I personally don’t see that.
Santy is an enigma. Idk if I’ve ever been able to read him correctly. It’s all Pony Salvaje and Pregnant woman emoji. He’s one of those players I feel like you get down to the wire and need to just find out the hard way.
I also think the wagon on him seemed like it built very quickly and that gives me pause. I don’t like when wagons seem to come out of nowhere, especially when a player says they not going to be around. That makes me nervous.
Oh god. Why are you asking?Zenge... are you alright?
that's what hurts the most 😢5. Not everyone that voted genny is a wolf.
You didn't see all the cases on Santy and his reactive response? That doesn't bother you at all?Oh god. Why are you asking?
I’m worried this is a mechanical question and I missed something in the write up.
I mean, Lawpy, constantly screaming “bus me pls”… I’m not here to kink shame, but it paints a pictureand i are bussers??
I appreciate the constructive criticism.moth, I love you but there are several things wrong with this post.
1. You haven't colored the flips of some villagers.
2. chic pushed two of the flipped wolves consistently, including voting Poppy D2.
3. SOV's a deepwolf thus cannot be cleared with VCA
4. alley called out Poppy.
5. Not everyone that voted genny is a wolf.
Does Nate being factionless scare you too?I’m going to yeet vis
Still getting caught up but her claiming to be factionless now scares me.
No I did. I’m just not sure I see it as substantially different from his village gamesYou didn't see all the cases on Santy and his reactive response? That doesn't bother you at all?
I don’t bus. There is a clear precedent from my most recent wolf games.I mean, Lawpy, constantly screaming “bus me pls”… I’m not here to kink shame, but it paints a picture
And him voting a person you're village reading?No I did. I’m just not sure I see it as substantially different from his village games
***mothy sends you dinner******I’m very hungry and tired but I’m here and trying to stay engaged***
Not really because fluff rezzed him (item use confirmed it) and she’s village so I’m much more concerned about VisDoes Nate being factionless scare you too?
I’ve been saying Zenge is sus for a while, but no one has been interested in that train so it never left the station. Though if Zenge is sus we gotta throw Clem in as well.See I would totally yeet Zenge today or tomorrow tbh
Nobody’s really agreed with me that he’s sus
(I have a weird tinfoil there, but what do you think of him not taking the opportunity to direct samac's shot off of Poppy? I keep coming back to how clearing that looks)I also don’t particularly trust Mayo, so, that’s something to consider. I didn’t like some of his responses to April yesterday. They reminded me of some of his tone responses when I’ve seen him wolf.
But it’s others who bus Lawpy, Lawpy doesn’t bus right?I mean, Lawpy, constantly screaming “bus me pls”… I’m not here to kink shame, but it paints a picture
April is the horse. alley's the first person that called out Poppy. Which I am also not voting.
Well this is spicy. But unfortunately I disagree with a large portion of your wolfiest list. Especially since Chic was on the Poppy wagon when it may have been viable. In fact, she tied it with two village wagons.I'm thinking there is something hiding in our D1/D2 votes.
D1
PSV: SAR, Wonda
Genny: DubZ, Clem, alley, Poppy, Santy, Wiisp, Nate, fluff
Zuri: SAR, Veg, AM, genny, Nemo, zuri
Fluff: Zenge, PSV, April, Chic, Mir
D2
Nate: AM, Mir, Veg, Genny, Alley, Chic, PSV, Samac, Wisp
PSV: Dubz, fluff, Wonda, SAR, Nate, mothy
Poppy: April, SOV
Zenge: Lawpy, Poppy
It doesn't make much sense to analyze D3 votes, but I want to look more into who defended Mir on D3 (if anyone).
Santy: you're in the middle for me rn. Can't say one way or the other. Not sure I will be joining the yeet train tonight unless I see something big happen.
Mayo: village. We've had this convo a million times
Clem: not getting a great read on Clem tbh. I just think comments have been a little chaotic, so I can't say one way or the other.
Alley: voted Genny D1. If we think Genny is Alpha wolf, then this could have been April knowing that Genny wouldn't die. But it was still a vote for a wolf, so why not pile on village instead? Then again, Poppy voted Genny.
Vis: I don't even know where to start. I think you were rezzed by a wolf.
SAR: honestly sort of starting to lean wolf to me. I need to ISO you better.
Zenge: reading village of 3P pretty hard. Still not sure what the tiff with Fluff was about tho, so...always taking that into consideration.
AM: Read as village for much of the game, but analysis of D1 and D2 votes has me less confident.
SOV: You voted Poppy on D2 with April. Could have been hiding behind the vote, or more likely, not a wolf.
Fluff: You're church and I am just going to let it be. Mir went after you D1, which could have been to cover, but they could have alsp hopped on anyone else.
Lawpy: Idk man. I'm going wolf vibes with rn. You hit Zenge pretty hard.
April: Village. Was first horse onto Poppy.
Chic: I think you're a wolf. Sorry.
Wiisp: reading village to me for the most part.
Nate: I think you are genuinely nothing atm.
Mothy's list village-->woof:
Mayo
Mothy
April
Fluff
Wiisp
Zenge
SOV
Nate
AM
Santy
Clem
Alley
Lawpy
VIS
SAR
Chic
Edit: oops forgot genny. I'm ignoring atm cuz, well, wolf.
Yeet Chic @kaydubs
I agree with you. He didn’t even vote when we were yeeting MirandaSee I would totally yeet Zenge today or tomorrow tbh
Nobody’s really agreed with me that he’s sus
😢Nate: I think you are genuinely nothing atm.
This is like… always what you default to though, tbh.See I would totally yeet Zenge today or tomorrow tbh
Nobody’s really agreed with me that he’s sus
This is a strange reads list
You think chics and i are bussers??
idk guys ok? I'm just trying my best.wow, ok.
*******mothy sends you dinner***
I’m not gonna say you’re overthinking the game design because it’s probably good to continue to be skeptical/vigilant to other possible twists, but you’re definitely overthinking the wording imo. It’s those who slither in the dark, either word applies to the same faction.Hmmm. “Converted to darkness” is an oddly vague term, “converted to wolf “ would have been much clearer.
Part of my tinfoil is there is gonna be a switch at some point from traditional wolf hunting to “something else”.
and it seems, some of us have different descriptions of what we are hunting “darkness vs slithering”.
I can see it be possible that there were no conversions to darkness but there were conversions to slithering.
would the mods be that sneaky? Yes, they could be.
but I am probably overthinking it.
I wasn’t here.I agree with you. He didn’t even vote when we were yeeting Miranda
I meant it out of love.
badly. 🤓It's just, like, 97 pages. How do you guys do it?
I mean… yeah I kinda suck at reading you but I’m not gonna ignore the sus vibes I’ve been gettingThis is like… always what you default to though, tbh.
Idk about that. @Animal Midwife would knowBut it’s others who bus Lawpy, Lawpy doesn’t bus right?
Mothy I love that you put Mayo before yourself 🤣I'm thinking there is something hiding in our D1/D2 votes.
D1
PSV: SAR, Wonda
Genny: DubZ, Clem, alley, Poppy, Santy, Wiisp, Nate, fluff
Zuri: SAR, Veg, AM, genny, Nemo, zuri
Fluff: Zenge, PSV, April, Chic, Mir
D2
Nate: AM, Mir, Veg, Genny, Alley, Chic, PSV, Samac, Wisp
PSV: Dubz, fluff, Wonda, SAR, Nate, mothy
Poppy: April, SOV
Zenge: Lawpy, Poppy
Chic: I think you're a wolf. Sorry.
Mothy's list village-->woof:
Mayo
Mothy
April
Fluff
Wiisp
Zenge
SOV
Nate
AM
Santy
Clem
Alley
Lawpy
VIS
SAR
Chic
Edit: oops forgot genny. I'm ignoring atm cuz, well, wolf.
Yeet Chic @kaydubs
No, he doesn't. He's like you.Idk about that. @Animal Midwife would know
maybe you're wolfing. zenges is fine.Damn. Maybe you guys were right. Zenge might just be wolfing.
Mothy pls i’m just trying to understand your thought processidk guys ok? I'm just trying my best.
unyeet chic
I don’t think I’ve seen you misyeet him since RvB, so if you’re considering him I’m interested (if you promise you’re not wolfing 🥺). His pushes have triggered me but his Poppy interactions looked goodDamn. Maybe you guys were right. Zenge might just be wolfing.
Do you see anything wrong with Santy?I don’t think I’ve seen you misyeet him since RvB, so if you’re considering him I’m interested (if you promise you’re not wolfing 🥺). His pushes have triggered me but his Poppy interactions looked good
Wasn’t it the lack of poppy interactions? I thought they had zero besides her voting for him early on D2 or somethingI don’t think I’ve seen you misyeet him since RvB, so if you’re considering him I’m interested (if you promise you’re not wolfing 🥺). His pushes have triggered me but his Poppy interactions looked good
Zenges was weird in Bowling and tried to frame and troll me with a fauxjo… while also attacking fluffy relentlessly.I actually don’t remember if I correctly read Zenge in Bowwling or not
I do know that he tricked me in CYO III
Idk the other games recent where we were opposite affs
WAIT I kept calling Zenge sus in anniversary when he was building the skeleton army and Samac didn’t believe me and let him into the bloc
I think there’s multiple people in this game I’ve never interacted with. Even now.Wasn’t it the lack of poppy interactions? I thought they had zero besides her voting for him early on D2 or something
I’ll reread the interactions. My impression from brief ISO yesterday was that she was subtly defending youIt wasn't a village read on Mir.
YES.
I forgot Chic was on the Poppy wagon. I was just going off of final votes which was clearly the wrong move.Idk I don't think a one liner if a soft ping in a long list of other reads that then had 0 follow up is clearing and the rest of her posts have not led me to give her any village points. Either way though, Santy is also in my POE so I'm good with that as an option. I need more village from Alley though to unpark me
Well this is spicy. But unfortunately I disagree with a large portion of your wolfiest list. Especially since Chic was on the Poppy wagon when it may have been viable. In fact, she tied it with two village wagons.
I see what you did there.Bowling and tried to frame
That was Vis.and troll me with a fauxjo
we were mechanically required to yeet Fluff specifically. We had no choice in who we could yeet. It was yeet fluff or lose.while also attacking fluffy relentlessly.