Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

[Lawpy]

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AM you are village af but I don't think it's Zenge unless he's playing a nice WIFOM game right now.

What kind of wolf comes on thread, sees there are eight people piled on his packmate, and screams "No he can't be a wolf!" with 5 minutes to close, knowing full well the flip will reveal him as a wolf?

He was criticizing Santy wagon long before the votes piled up

 

[Lawpy]

genny's an alpha.

I’m still not really sure though, especially since villagers with yeet avoidance have happened before. She also tied up the Santy wagon before the claim happened.

 

[chicandtoughness]

I'm aware he made comments that he didn't like the flash wagon, but the crazed 5-minutes-to-close "No wolf would claim that vig shot!!" screech seems very silly for a wolf to say.

That said I have been sussing on Zenge most of the game and will need to do some more thinking. I think I'm high on my Zenge/Clem tinfoil right now.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m still not really sure though, especially since villagers with yeet avoidance have happened before. She also tied up the Santy wagon before the claim happened.

No, she's an alpha. That was part of her plan to clear herself. Before she voted Santy, she heavily shaded me to see if anyone responded.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm aware he made comments that he didn't like the flash wagon, but the crazed 5-minutes-to-close "No wolf would claim that vig shot!!" screech seems very silly for a wolf to say.

That said I have been sussing on Zenge most of the game and will need to do some more thinking. I think I'm high on my Zenge/Clem tinfoil right now.

It's time for you to learn about powerwolfing. I'll be your guide.

 

[Lawpy]

I'm aware he made comments that he didn't like the flash wagon, but the crazed 5-minutes-to-close "No wolf would claim that vig shot!!" screech seems very silly for a wolf to say.

That said I have been sussing on Zenge most of the game and will need to do some more thinking. I think I'm high on my Zenge/Clem tinfoil right now.

Wolves openly defending their packmates have happened before. Even to apparently absurd levels. This isn’t really new.

 

[chicandtoughness]

It's time for you to learn about powerwolfing. I'll be your guide.

Teach me senpai 😍

 

[justafluff]

If Zenge’s the answer, then Clem is also a wolf. Which would bring us to 6 with genny

 

[Lawpy]

No, she's an alpha. That was part of her plan to clear herself. Before she voted Santy, she heavily shaded me to see if anyone responded.

Wait on that note, how are you reading SOV?

 

[chicandtoughness]

Let's gooooo

 

[justafluff]

I'm aware he made comments that he didn't like the flash wagon, but the crazed 5-minutes-to-close "No wolf would claim that vig shot!!" screech seems very silly for a wolf to say.

That said I have been sussing on Zenge most of the game and will need to do some more thinking. I think I'm high on my Zenge/Clem tinfoil right now.

I was just gonna say that, Zenge made me feel better with advocating for Santy. But yeah openly defending someone isn’t always a village move. I’ve seen several wolves do it

 

[chicandtoughness]

(Also just gonna peace out and sleep since it's late and see how night resolves itself first hehe. I think night results will help the POE a lot.)

 

[Animal Midwife]

Teach me senpai 😍

Zenge's flip itself will be your degree, but the underlying understanding is that you can protect your partners while wolfing. There doesn't have to be shade. It can trick people for a very long time. Sometimes to the point of sweeping.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Oh. Cool.

 

[Zenge142]

He was criticizing Santy wagon long before the votes piled up

No I wasn’t. Where can you point to this? This feels like a straight up lie

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't know if Clem is the same affiliation as Zenge, but he's earned himself a egg cracking. He's had several cycles to clear himself or otherwise display villageyness.

 

[Wiisp]

if genny had yeet avoidance, then they would have claimed it, instead they took the chaotic neutral route

 

[chicandtoughness]

No I wasn’t. Where can you point to this? This feels like a straight up lie

Dad plz.

I also think the wagon on him seemed like it built very quickly and that gives me pause. I don’t like when wagons seem to come out of nowhere, especially when a player says they not going to be around. That makes me nervous.

This is when there were 3 votes on him, and one was my "yeah idk I just feel vibez" vote.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wait on that note, how are you reading SOV?

Still wolfy. We'll see how things look after genny's been yeeted a second time. At that point, Wisp enters the POE too if she fails to die again/the game is still going.

 

[Lawpy]

I also think the wagon on him seemed like it built very quickly and that gives me pause. I don’t like when wagons seem to come out of nowhere, especially when a player says they not going to be around. That makes me nervous.

No I wasn’t. Where can you point to this? This feels like a straight up lie

Here

 

[Zenge142]

Dad plz.


This is when there were 3 votes on him, and one was my "yeah idk I just feel vibez" vote.

Two came in rapid succession. It went from unnoticeable to in the lead.

 

[Wiisp]

Two came in rapid succession. It went from unnoticeable to in the lead.

and many other people from my understanding have had jumps in votes, and I dont recall u standing up for them

 

[Zenge142]

Here

How is that “criticizing the Santy wagon” I was saying it makes me nervous when wagons build quickly like that.

If SDN wasn’t broken I’d pull quotes from all the previous games I’ve played where I’ve said literally the same thing.

It makes me nervous when wagons build quickly.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Two came in rapid succession. It went from unnoticeable to in the lead.

You're skirting the issue, which is that Lawpy stated you were suspicious of the wagon before votes piled up, and you called it a straight up lie. 3 votes is not a "piling up", and there were two others with 2 votes, that's barely in the lead.

 

[Zenge142]

and many other people from my understanding have had jumps in votes, and I dont recall u standing up for them

I think even you would admit, at the time it wasn’t really an expected wagon to take off. People hadn’t been discussing Santy much.

Look at Aprils Response after vote close. “Where did this come from”.

It’s one thing for people to be discussing a person, and a wagon builds. It’s another for there to not be much discussion at all and for the wagon to become nothing to leading. It’s always just surprising to see

 

[chicandtoughness]

I think even you would admit, at the time it wasn’t really an expected wagon to take off. People hadn’t been discussing Santy much.
Look at Aprils Response after vote close. “Where did this come from”.
It’s one thing for people to be discussing a person, and a wagon builds. It’s another for there to not be much discussion at all and for the wagon to become nothing to leading. It’s always just surprising to see

That's completely fair, I definitely did not expect the wagon to take off. I'll give you that.

But the flip speaks for itself and you were on the wrong side of that flip, so POE it is.

 

[Zenge142]

You're skirting the issue, which is that Lawpy stated you were suspicious of the wagon before votes piled up, and you called it a straight up lie. 3 votes is not a "piling up", and there were two others with 2 votes, that's barely in the lead.

He, in my mind was making it sound like I was discrediting the validity of the wagon, which I wasn’t.

I was saying I was surprised at how many votes seemed to be coming, on what I thought was a villager, without much discussion.

 

[chicandtoughness]

(Okay for real going to sleep, stay safe out there everyone!)

 

[Lawpy]

How is that “criticizing the Santy wagon” I was saying it makes me nervous when wagons build quickly like that.

If SDN wasn’t broken I’d pull quotes from all the previous games I’ve played where I’ve said literally the same thing.

It makes me nervous when wagons build quickly.

Where were you when mothy was leading initially?

 

[NateTheLesser]

Night 2 updated

@StartingoverVet @Lawpy @ everyone else who was bugging me for it

For a second I read this as night was already closed and I wondered what the hell happened 😅

 

[Zenge142]

Where were you when mothy was leading initially?

I’ve never really been village reading Mothy, for one.

Secondly, people have discussed Mothy with some interest, so there wasn’t really anything surprising about votes there.

 

[Lawpy]

And it’s not just mothy

AM, SOV and vissy were actively being discussed as well

And yet, it’s only the Santy wagon of 3 votes that gets the concern for being built up too fast

 

[Zenge142]

And it’s not just mothy

AM, SOV and vissy were actively being discussed as well

And yet, it’s only the Santy wagon of 3 votes that gets the concern for being built up too fast

Actively being discussed.

Which is literally my entire point, if you’d bother to actually read my posts. There wasn’t a lot of discussion about Santy before my comment.

Once again you’re twisting my words to fit your narrative for the third time this game.

 

[Lawpy]

I’ve never really been village reading Mothy, for one.

Secondly, people have discussed Mothy with some interest, so there wasn’t really anything surprising about votes there.

You realize that Santy was being discussed even earlier in the game right? PSV/pshelty was tunneling him. SAR voted for him earlier when he followed her lead. And even before Santy wagon formed, people were actively discussing him.

 

[Lawpy]

Actively being discussed.

Which is literally my entire point, if you’d bother to actually read my posts. There wasn’t a lot of discussion about Santy before my comment.

Once again you’re twisting my words to fit your narrative for the third time this game.

Seriously Zenges? Did you just completely ignore the PSV tunnel and SAR’s earlier vote on him? Did you ignore the discussions leading up to his initial votes?

 

[Zenge142]

You realize that Santy was being discussed even earlier in the game right? PSV/pshelty was tunneling him. SAR voted for him earlier when he followed her lead. And even before Santy wagon formed, people were actively discussing him.

I feel like this is turning into a subjective argument at this point.

I felt, at the time of my comment, that I was surprised how little it felt like people had discussed Santy, and how quickly the initial votes came in.

You feel it’s different because it fits your narrative. Okay. Agree to disagree then.

 

[Zenge142]

Seriously Zenges? Did you just completely ignore the PSV tunnel and SAR’s earlier vote on him? Did you ignore the discussions leading up to his initial votes?

PSV’s been dead for days. So yes, it wasn’t exactly fresh in my mind.

I don’t remember SAR’s vote at all. Tbh she doesn’t feel like she’s around much and I’m village reading her, so I’m not overly fixated on what she’s doing.

 

[Lawpy]

I feel like this is turning into a subjective argument at this point.

I felt, at the time of my comment, that I was surprised how little it felt like people had discussed Santy, and how quickly the initial votes came in.

You feel it’s different because it fits your narrative. Okay. Agree to disagree then.

PSV’s been dead for days. So yes, it wasn’t exactly fresh in my mind.

I don’t remember SAR’s vote at all. Tbh she doesn’t feel like she’s around much and I’m village reading her, so I’m not overly fixated on what she’s doing.

The PSV tunnel is early evidence that Santy wasn’t universally village read and in fact had suspicions early on.

SAR’s vote:

The people on my vote, @SARdoghandler @Santygrass @samac @NateTheLesser

Are you still giving me wolf points for the whole faction confusion D1? Because since Wiisp has already outed my character anyway, I can just do a full explanation at this point without really giving the wolves new info. Lmk if that might help you put your vote somewhere that isn't just a dumb villager

Actually no, I mostly got on your vote to see who would follow because it felt like something opportunistic wolves may do. So the other three get wolfy points from me

Unyeet April
Yeet Santy


@kaydubs @SportPonies

Meanwhile AM brought up an early concern on Santy yesterday afternoon

I'd like to also state I don't trust Santy for the record. I had him village initially for pushing genny and PSV but with the former bring an alpha and latter flipping village, my read has gone stale and I haven't really been impressed by anything else.

Followed later by chics’s analysis that cemented AM’s suspicions:

Well guess who is stuck at work longer than she has to be because her relief decided to no show.

I don't think this train is going to take off but I don't want to just wagon without reason, so I will park my vote on Santy for now. Some quick quotes I picked up:


All these folks read villagey to me.

More sus on villagers or village leaning.

Yeah yeah.

But ultimately I’m just going off vibez lol. Santy has for the most part chimed in fairly neutrally, gone with the crowd, hasn’t made large pushes. I personally expected them to be more vehement. So idk, just feels off.

I might move to Santy if people are still uninterested in SOV today.

Aprils also mentioned earlier that she’s concerned a wolf was hiding in her village reads:

I feel like my POE is being decimated left and right, there's no one left. Gotta rethink and rebuild but I don't have the mental energy for that right now

Time to start looking at who's hiding in my village reads

So no, the Santy wagon didn’t come out of nowhere or with minimal discussion.

 

[Lawpy]

Santy, do you think SOV vs AM is V/W?

I dont think its something guaranteed.

If there is one, I think its AM since I see SOV as Villa almost always, while AM is closer to the PoE

What I’m struggling here is AM’s insistent tone in her posts is giving off village vibes, that looks even more so when she’s butting heads with people. I thought SOV’s push on poppy was good but because he’s known to bus hard and strongly before (and not like just voting for partners but the rationale given too), i just can’t use that to village read him.

I guess the only thing going for him is the faction leader stuff. And i’m feeling a bit torn. I think there have been too many vouches in this game, some of which are clashing with non-mechanical thoughts that i can’t help but think if something is amiss here.

Unyeet Mayo

Mothy is vouching for them + want to fact check the shooting situation that looks somewhat clearing at surface level. Item stuff still feel dubious but cant express it as I would like to.

If Nate doesnt explain that SOV vote I'd probably yeet him fwiw.

And cant properly reply to Lawpy rn, but I disagree with the part of 'he bussed before so it doesnt apply here' . Him being capable of it doesnt mean it is not village indicative. I've been vibing with their reads the whole game. Being a factional leader I think its prob the greater vouch in the hieratchy of vouches just because of the factional nature of the game.

Even if you want to tinfoil SOV, unless you have a very good reason to sus them, they are not even near the PoE as of rn.
And all the sus I've seen of sov has been AM either using NAI stuff to say he could've done, or other things that most people did but from SOV makes her skeptical (see the convertion definition thingy) .

Like, I feel like AMM is either tunneling and everything is going to be an argument on why sov could be a wolf, or AM is a wolf who is trying to throw whatever to push them. Either way not a push/arguments that convince me wowee.


'Cant properly resply' my butt

Although when looking back on this, Santy was shading AM pretty hard while also defending SOV.

 

[Lawpy]

If Nate doesnt explain that SOV vote I'd probably yeet him fwiw.

Also not sure how to feel about this

 

[Zenge142]

So no, the Santy wagon didn’t come out of nowhere or with minimal discussion.

Again, subjective.

And again, I think Aprils response of surprise proves my point that I wasn’t the only one who didn’t expect it.

Congratulations that you saw it coming a mile away. I didn’t. It surprised me.

 

[Wiisp]

i just had to restart chapter 5 twice... TWICE

 

[Wiisp]

why does everyone want to yeet my leader 🙁

 

[Animal Midwife]

Okay, I was trying to stay serious during his yeet but the "L + ratio" thing was destroying me irl

 

[NateTheLesser]

Updated with day 4 votes and Santy's flip:

(Here's my usual spreadsheet nonsense. I'll keep it updated as long as I'm alive.

Day 1 Votes​

Day 2 Votes​

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Day 3 Votes​

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Day 4 Votes​

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Waterfall​

EOD Wagons​

I can explain more for the newbies tomorrow, gn)

 

[NateTheLesser]

Posting spreadsheets at 3am like a normal person.

 

[motheatenlysis]

Posting spreadsheets at 3am like a normal person.

Reading spreadsheets at 4 am like a normal person.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Updated with day 4 votes and Santy's flip:

Lookin at that waterfall especially.

Zenge why so few votes?
Clem, yikes.

The two of y’all ain’t looking too good.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I missed a lot. Interesting.m

read the night 2 write up. Seems alarming. More shade at the end about maybe a new faction starting up on the fezzes? I found it hard to interpret, but thanks @SportPonies

honestly had a hard village read on santy. Well done there. But what a bad village claim. Lol.

I’m ok cracking eggs on zenge. I don’t understand the zenge-clem dynamic. Clem shouldnt be aligned with zenge AFAIK but this may be a mod twist, and may be pointing to zenge,

if wolves are starting to feel a little desperate zenge may have felt the need to stop the santy lynch at any cost, so that might explain another stupid wolf move.

i am flying all day 9-5 would a brief lunch but have to meet a client so probably little time to be here. Plus football game tonight, so my further analysis will have to wait.

i have one more thing to say pending night results. which I hope to drop before my flight. We will see.

i doubt AM is a big buser as a wolf (I don’t really recall) so I guess she is cleared. Still misguided but not a wolf, and probably more insufferable than ever. I will leave her on “ignore”. my guess is when she stopped tunnelling on me she did a better job. So let’s proceed like that.

 

[StartingoverVet]

contingency yeet zenge

@kaydubs