GGoats!! - An aMAAAAAHzing WW thread

[Animal Midwife]

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Again I was not (and still am not) caught up so I need to read more before I can comment accurately, will answer everyone's Qs when I get home from work

I thought you were on p21 though.

 

[Barkley13]

Again I was not (and still am not) caught up so I need to read more before I can comment accurately, will answer everyone's Qs when I get home from work

So why defend sun and say her vote has no resistance and not any good reasons but then say you aren’t caught up so cant comment accurately when questioned?

 

[WildZoo]

Again I was not (and still am not) caught up so I need to read more before I can comment accurately, will answer everyone's Qs when I get home from work

My post about her was on page 20 😛

 

[LaineyLou]

Hey guys I’m gonna post my reads as soon as I can but I just got accepted to Purdue CVM so I can’t stop crying

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay I have read through page 18. Getting ready to start 19.

This kinda bugs me, because I also considered a last min hop off, but the thing is, if enough people did that, it would be a problem. So someone has to take the hit for team village. And you're always saying if the game comes down to just one villager doing what needs to be done, village is doomed. And what's to keep the wolves from just NK'ing you N1 as they did before, if you're so crucial to the villager cause? Or village yeeting you for making a sus move?

This just doesn't seem to follow logical principles of good village play in a way that seems to contradict a lot of what I feel is in the AM Guide to Good Village Play (TM).

The only thing that makes sense to me is that you did get killed super early the last two games.

And not to be a total dick about your helpfulness to village, but last game I followee your lead on VCA and it seemed like AM inspired thinking is why we didn't catch anyone on the bus. I know if I had pulled my head out of your ass and trusted my instincts I would have gone after Please and it might have been different.

Maybe an Crayola more independent of AM is what this village needs.

*counteracts AM's narcissism with her own while also being self-deprecating*

I like the points being made about AM here.

Absolutely cannot read too much into Pip's vote and shading of Dubz. I'm sure Pip realized she wasn't going to make it to end game as a 3rd party with Dubz no matter her affiliation.

Not saying this clears Dubz, just specifying a thought I had in terms of what to make of it.

hmm... something to think of i regards to WZ.

Barks defense of Pippy in numerous places is stretching the bounds of believability... wolf trying buddying what she thinks is a downtrodden villager, caring little for the supreme sketchiness of Pip because possibly in informed minority and not seriously considering 3P.... I know when I wolf I frequently forget to 3P hunt until a villager brings it up.

yes exactly. Just one of many sketchy things Barks has done.

In light of night results, I am revising my read on Cray. Hold please.

I quoted at the time because I couldn't figure out the connection, of course it became clear later.

People will pull the whole "you said this as a wolf and chaos" thing but here's your example of busy village dubz and that is why it's NAI. I was gone other than when I could pop in briefly at work for 9 hours yesterday. So yes, my reads aren't the same as they were on d1 of the previous game where I had a day off for the entire second half of the cycle.

Sorry, that probably won't change today, I will contribute what I can but that is why 12/12 games are a struggle for me now.

okay so me busy=wolf, WZ busy=okay

How do you know the wolves took her out, and not 3p?

this is a weird comment. There are 17 total players in this game, how many 3Ps would there be? And why would the wolves abstain from NK'ing??

You just seemed to immediately assume it was a wolf, and I wasn’t sure why.

Given this is my first non basics(ish) game, I’m not really familiar with what to expect the given breakdowns would be , of how many wolves, vs. 3p, vs who knows what.

still weird

Wondering if you really mean this, or if you or Shorty are hunting for her mason partner.

I went back and ISOed Cray after night results were posted and found a few things that pinged me that I want to leave here. I'm revising my read of Cray down from village to neutral for now, and I want to see how she responds to this. I feel like normally by D2, village!cray has at least half the players in the game in her POE, and she really isn't coming across as the PGO/armed standoff Cray that I'm used to villaging with. Was just an uneasy feeling before, but now it's a little stronger.

Spoiler

At first read, this struck me as typical village!cray, but it was odd that she "forgot" to include the possibility of v/v interaction.

This was in response to Pippy's GIANT post of one line feelings about specific posts. I'm not sure how applicable "pretty good analysis" was to that.


I'm not putting a ton of stock in interactions with Pippy because that whole situation was so weird and heated, but this gave me minor pings.

I haven't seen Cray post a list of reads like this before without explanations, but I could buy the explanation that it was in case Pippy could actually kill her on her way out. But I haven't seen it before, so I'm making a note of it.

I do kind of agree with this.

This feels like deliberate misinterpretation of my post that she was quoting, given that I was agreeing with someone on how mkg might think bussing is a more common D1 strategy than it really is based on just reading the basics game and saying that I was reading her neutral. I've also been saying that I'm reading Lainey village based on her previous play. It feels like Cray is trying to start building a "shorty hates noobs" case that's based on shaky logic, and it's weird coming from her.

This was in response to Lainey making a really big stretch about the Doggo/Barks D1 joke voting for each other pattern and I don't believe that she actually felt like this was almost legit.

This jumped out at me because while Barks had made a decent point, it wasn't something super mindblowing and I've seen wolves draw attention to similar things. Just another slightly odd thing.

Cray, did you have any interactions with Enigma overnight?

I have reason to believe that Cray and Enigma interacted during the night cycle.

What is going to piss me off, is to keep bringing up that post I called out for appearing as w/w or some kind of w/v. OF FREAKING COURSE. I wasn't calling out that post because it reeked as village/village. That was why I didn't think to put that interpretation down - it was never my concern *for that post.* When AM asked me why I wasn't voting for either shorty or the other one, since I thought one was a wolf going off that post, just because I point out what could be wrong with a post (and not often pointing out what could be right) doesn't mean that's the end all of where I lean in total on another player.

I will get to the rest of your questions, but you guys need to come off the fact I didn't list every single possible affiliation combination for a post, saying well gee it could be two villagers when I specifically was stating what could be wolfy about it.

I guess all those times I called Pippy out for BS I should have put in small print (could be a villager?) JFC.

Big reaction. Kind of interesting to me that you're getting this heated about mentions of your earlier posts when one of the ways that you analyze is by going back to the beginning of a thread and rereading and pulling quotes that stand out to you, even when they've been clarified later on.

Did you have any interactions with Enigma last night?

Please answer the question, Cray.

Did you interact with TME last night? Yes or no?
I have reason to believe you did, and TME is now dead. There are multiple explanations for this, but you're being very evasive of the question entirely and it feels really off.

I changed your read DOWN from village to neutral/wolf lean, so no, I don't think you're the other mason at the moment.

Did you interact with her, yes or no?

Shorty if you are village I think you need to give up this particular line of questioning. I think you are telegraphing a great deal right now and if Dubz is village I can't believe she hasn't stepped in to tell you to quit it.

Yes, I did.

There was a more subtle way to try to question me on this without freaking giving up two PRs to the wolves, unless you just don't care about that.

I mean, unless wolves are blind it no longer mattered as soon as she said you interacted with TE, given you'd already said you were watched.

I don't know why you felt it was necessary to add this second sentence, it was sketchy. And also not correct. Pinged me big time. Which is why I pressed so much for the answer to my yes/no question - I wanted to see if you'd be honest.

That was why TME was listed in my reads as village. That was partly why I kept my reads brief, so I could put her down as village in case I flipped she could point to that as a breadcrumb, but without it standing out and I couldn't say a whole lot about her because she hadn't posted a lot. I went and put a hmmm react on her post and was going to do more as breadcrumbs for her to say I left for the thread if I died, since I usually only do likes and rarely reacts, and her posts weren't garnering lot of strong reactions, so I thought it might be a believable claim for her if she needed it. I worried with her being quiet that she would get more yeet attention and I worried about Pip at first killing me and then a NK which didn't come for me.

Well congratulations you told the wolves who the other mason is, and who the watcher is.

Also, you being a mason is not the only possibility here.

You could be a wolf and be the one who killed TME.

The fact that you're now freaking out and revealing all your supposed masonry in your last post actually makes me lean more toward you're overdoing this and it's an act.

JFC Shorty it never occurred to you with a freaking mason that you would have seen the two together????

I have nothing to lose now, except eventual NK. I have nothing to lose because no one is going to claim to be TME's mason. And if someone fake claims, you yeet me, see me flip mason, then yeet them for fake claiming.

Think it through.

I'm not expecting anyone to claim to be TME's mason. I wasn't expecting you to either, and I'm not sure that I believe you anyway right now. You're definitely not acting like village!Cray though.

WOW this was a Hiroshima sized exchange here. Shorty maybe "watched" Cray, who interacted with TME, who was a mason, and then told the whole world about it? So Cray is Mason? Or killed TME?? Or is Shorty PR hunting?

Would Mason PM message even show up in a watcher visit??

 

[Dinashadow]

WOW this was a Hiroshima sized exchange here. Shorty maybe "watched" Cray, who interacted with TME, who was a mason, and then told the whole world about it? So Cray is Mason? Or killed TME?? Or is Shorty PR hunting?

Would Mason PM message even show up in a watcher visit??

I haven't seen it before, but I'm inclined to believe Cray's comment because it's easily verifiable.

 

[supershorty]

I haven't seen it before, but I'm inclined to believe Cray's comment because it's easily verifiable.

There's also answers to her questions on the next page.

 

[LaineyLou]

So here’s what I got rn.

I’m suspicious of Alissa because their lack of content and involvement and neglect to vote day 1. But idk if that warrants a yeet because if they’re not active enough they might get mod killed and that’d be a waste of my yeet.

Dubz was seeming really neutral with the whole cray versus shorty discussion with slight support of shorty “hey cray that wasn’t necessary” I’m reading dubz as a ??? Because they could be overly trying to be neutral to seem less sus as a wolf.

Crays assertive and sorta aggressive discussion versus shorty seemed like true aggravation rather than anything really wolfy. I still lean village for cray because I feel she was just frustrated. I feel like if she were a wolf she’d try harder not to get so defensive and possibly get yeeted.

Shorty seems village but I could also see them provoking cray to try to get cray yeeted. She also made some good points.

AM I’m questioning rn because of her last minute unyeet of pippy. Like I get it to save herself from the trouble pippy might cause but it also bothered me a lot. Felt antivillage. But also I’d be more sus of her as a wolf of pippy flipped wolf. But I also know AM is much smarter in this game and probably can play circles around some of us which makes me a tad suspicious. Otherwise they seem normal so I’m leaning in the ???? Category

Mayo I yeeted April and yeeted pippy at the end of the yeet last night which made me suspicious because I feel they were really wanting to yeet april early on. Though there were plenty of good reasons to yeet pippy I felt as if this good be a wolf that unyeets another wolf later on to try to save April. If that makes sense? Anyways wolf lean.

Mkg I’m leaning village because noob. I think they’d really messed up by now if they were a wolf

Sunshine ???? I feel like we’ve got the bare minimum.

Zenge village lean. Nothing strikes me as suspicious.

April village lean I think they’re more active than in previous games they’ve wolfed. They did forget playing with barks which was odd but this game gets wild so I get that

Doggo, barks, Dina, samac, enigma I’m still trying to get a better feel of

 

[supershorty]

@LaineyLou Enigma is dead

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m suspicious of Alissa because their lack of content and involvement and neglect to vote day 1. But idk if that warrants a yeet because if they’re not active enough they might get mod killed and that’d be a waste of my yeet.

alissa hit the post minimum yesterday don't doubt she is on par to hit it today.

 

[Barkley13]

Mkg I’m leaning village because noob. I think they’d really messed up by now if they were a wolf

messed up how?

 

[holdthemayo]

April village lean I think they’re more active than in previous games they’ve wolfed. They did forget playing with barks which was odd but this game gets wild so I get that

I'm not seeing how these two statements can coexist. How could I switch off of April to save her as my packmate if she is also a villager?

Mayo I yeeted April and yeeted pippy at the end of the yeet last night which made me suspicious because I feel they were really wanting to yeet april early on. Though there were plenty of good reasons to yeet pippy I felt as if this good be a wolf that unyeets another wolf later on to try to save April. If that makes sense? Anyways wolf lean.

 

[Doggo Labs]

why the slight village lean?

She hasn't seemed sketchy to me and have been following what she has put on thread. Dubz is a good player and last time I put her in my village category she turned out to be a wolf, so that's why its slight village lean.

 

[sunshinefl]

okay through page 20.

I think it's possible cray would jump to claiming mason partner as a wolf in the hopes that she could at least take the real partner down with her, but I think adding in the unconvertible part is a little bit of a stretch in terms of what I would see wolf!cray doing. And her frustration with the whole thing reads genuine to me.

yes I have considered that as well despite already having cray village lean before all this mason reveal/debate

Why TME was the kill in the first place, unless wolves just pulled an RNG, is of interest to me. Sometimes wolves do just get lucky but I would love to know why they picked her, so gonna try to comb through her posts a bit and see if anything stands out when I have some time.

have you done this yet? I'm curious to see as well what tipped off the wolves

I think it also goes either way depending on the mod whether mason chat is trackable. I usually don't have it that way just like I don't make wolf chat trackable.

this is what I asked earlier. It's kinda weird that mason chat would be trackable so I'm having a hard time completely accepting the Cray mason claim.

Not sure if I should ask Shorty to say what her night results actually saw me do. I didn't really think about being a mason her getting a result that said anything besides I was talking to someone.

Maybe it's best not to say how the results are reported. I usually rely on Midwife to say the best way to do reveals or report night results. I figured in this case she would have told me personally gig is up give village what you know.

As for shorty, I won't say you should say what you saw, but it definitely wasn't murder. I'm guessing it said I visited someone or was seen talking to someone.

It was not very descriptive. I had chosen to watch you, actually, because I thought you were a possible NK target and I'd be able to see who did it. So had to reevaluate big time with night results.

I have no real experience with PRs and will accept all warranted browbeating for any stupids that I commit.

hmmmmm....... this doesn't really confirm what was going on with TME/Cray either.

I guess what confuses me about this whole thing is this: Isn’t the Mason role just a secret PM where you both know you’re village?

If that’s the case I don’t get why Cray feels like that being revealed makes her a target. If she is a Mason, and had the private PM with TME, once TME is dead, then Cray’s is basically just a Vanillager at that point, right? She’s not really a PR threat right?

So when Cray immediately said she was being watched, but being coy about what she was doing, why not just come out and say “I was TME’s Mason Buddy”? I mean, TME is already dead. It’s not like revealing you had a secret PM with a now dead player is going to make you a threat to the wolves

There’s the whole conversion thing Cray brought up, but it wasn’t mentioned in the write up and it was never brought up before Cray brought it up herself.

Now, if she is unconvertible, that would make her more of a target to the wolves, but considering it wasn’t on anyone’s radar, why bring it up at all and paint a target on her own back?

If she had just said she was the Mason partner, it would have alleviated village suspicion about why she was with TME when she died, AND would have told the wolves she wasn’t a PR threat anymore because now that her Mason partner is dead, she’s basically a vanillager.

But now, by self identifying as unconvertible, she’s painted a new target on her own back.

this seems disingenuously naive for what I think Z is capable of. He's writing a lot of words, but is also saying he doesn't understand why the mason would be a wolf target.

So...if you watched cray and saw TE act on her, that's not really a situation where cray being the one to murder TE makes sense. If you tracked cray or watched TE that would be reasonable, but watching cray means you saw who acted on her, not the other way around.

This was like calculus and gave me a head ache. Also made me realize I can't even think about modding yet since I can't process this.

My result didn't indicate anything about who acted on whom. Just that I saw them. And then TME was dead in the morning.

...... this still isn't specific about what they were doing.

yeet sunshine

no explanation given in this post or in last couple posts just a naked vote and everyone is cool with that?

That being said, my theory of why the Wolves killed Enigma is this:

There were a number of people on the April vote yesterday. I think April is right; the wolves are trying to capitalize on salt from previous games to get her yeeted. I think the voting block on April consisted of two kinds of voters. Village who nit picked small things to make a case against her, and pushed it, and wolves joining the bandwagon. And Enigma.

Enigma came on pretty late, was pretty uncertain about where she was going to vote and kind of wishy washed her way on to April at the end.

If you’re a wolf, you’re not killing yourself, and you’re not killing villagers who are actively pushing to yeet another villager. Enigma though?

With an Enigma kill, you can turn around and say “Enigma voted April and now she’s dead!” and keep the April train choo-chooing along to yeetsville.

Anyway, that’s my theory, and on that, I don’t like that Sunshie’s vote started as a salt and then just sort of oozed into a real vote. I also don’t like that she’s been noteably less active this game, and her contributions have been less meaningful. On that note...

I know I already commented on this once in a skim of that page. But now I'm caught up to it again.

Z writes a dissertation:
-trying to clear/defend april
-trying to suggest TME the mason was a random lucky NK in an elaborate wolf plan to throw more sus on april who was already sus'ed as evidenced by coming in 2nd place for yeet?
-somehow reaches a conclusion to yeet me based off an essay not about me at all.

I'm also wolfreading sunshine, but she did put her vote on Pippy by the end. Does that change anything for you?
It doesn't for me because it would help clear her to be off April in the event of the discussion we're now having, and she would know that people would look at her vote weird if she left it on April the whole time.

I still wolf read april. Pippy just became a bigger threat. I moved as soon as I caught up to the pippy shenanigans

I’d still like to see what she does today. If wolf, she would have known Pippy was village too, and maybe thought it would look too sus to stick with her salt vote.

There might be others on the April wagon worth looking at, which I’ll try to do when I have time, and I’m not even 100% sure April isn’t wolf.
I’m just trying to make sense of the Enigma kill and this seems like a reasonable explanation. At the very least I’m happy to get some pressure on sunshine and see if she pops.

what does this mean because pippy wasn't village, april is sus, poppy just became the bigger threat, AND lastly, if I was a wolf who saw an obvious 3P threat with a mounting yeet vote, why would I vote to yeet her? that doesn't make any sense.

Well, she'd know Pippy wasn't wolf if she's wolf. She wouldn't know whether she was village or 3p though. But yeah, it seems like a late move to a "safer" vote in the event of more scrutiny today.

again, how? I stand by the april sus and still have her wolf. Pippy became a bigger threat so I moved. and interesting that you ignored Z saying "Pippy was village..."

 

[samac]

Ok through page 16. I don’t usually do these text wall posts but I’m so damn far behind I feel like I’ve got to do something to get my thoughts organized and out there. 😵

Mayo, for aforementioned reasons. Barks yeeting me seems opportunistic, primarily because I know the wolves are going to capitalize on all the salt directed my way from wolfing the past two games combined with people always thinking I'm sus D1 regardless of my affiliation. Also because the reasoning she gave for yeeting me just now was weak. Ever so slight wolf lean on barks.

Because yeeting me is very opportunistic - keeping an eye on the people who are either staying on my vote because salt (like sun) and those who are calling me sus but not voting me because of it so they can egg on my yeet without being on a villager wagon (I don't have any names off the top of my head, need to go back and read).

I don't think I have any good reasons to move anyone else out of neutral at the moment.

I do find it interesting you stayed on mayo. I think he’s always been one to throw a few jokes out. Seems weak, especially when you were on the chopping block.

I was feeling sus of pippy too, but then i made it through that long wall post... and I understand the reasoning for a lot of the later arguments. Don't agree with all of them personally, but was surprised to find it all so far down after starting off with so many joke arguments that people stopped reading it.

And then as I was typing that...


YIKETY YIKES
this feels way early for a big role reveal but also, pro village move (and pro-self move if neutral as stated) to prevent us from setting off a bomb right away. Could be a real bold wolf strategy, but I lean 3P/village because a wolf wouldn't know if there might be another power available that could call their bluff


same i do not like.

Not so sure at all, I was leaning that way before the further discussion of bomb mechanics when I realized I didn't actually know the details of how it would work - but then further discussion was had and i am now less sure. I leaned 3P because it seemed like a real bold move for a wolf to make so early (especially if the lie might possibly be later uncovered by a lie detector ability or similar) but now it's feeling shakier to me.

my next best wolf read is April, but the two big unshifting wagons also scare me a bit as previously mentioned, so i don't know if i'm comfy voting that way either (also risking a tie if my count is correct? ties scare me after emoji game)

I'm gonna go reanalyze my full list/review some people i haven't looked at closely yet and see if that helps bring me any clarity

In the previous games i've played, it seems like two strong wagons without much movement often means the wolves are happy because a non-wolf is going to get yeeted either way, so they either settle comfortably in a wagon or stay on whatever lone vote they landed on early (usually with the pack distributed in different places). I haven't been in a game yet where a wolf got successfully yeeted D1 though, so it might just be my bias scaring me. You're also right that there's still time for movement

I got through a few people but not everyone yet. Here are some notes as i went through, but a few of these people have made more new posts since i looked at them so it may shift things

Sunshine - only seems to have made two posts*, one with an unexplained yet vote and one about Pippy/WZ. I think a wolf might be more careful about meeting content minimums, but I don’t get a village read off the minimal content so far.
*i see new posts now that i need to review

Alissa - Not much content yet either but I can follow her thoughts in her posts as she’s working through, feels possible village lean to me

Samac - also low content but understandable if slammed at work. Even though she’s voting to yeet me I can understand her reasons since I hadn’t posted much yet

WZ - voted Samac early to start conversation/staying there still, seems to mostly be engaging with the Pippy discussion otherwise. Not sure I see too much contribution otherwise* besides mild sus at mkg? Could lean wolf for me, but I’m also bitter about the last game she was wolf in that I played
*again, new posts for me to review

seeing the direction the vote is going in, I'm comfortable letting the pippy yeet play out but I'd like to sit outside the possible blast radius (because, as mentioned, am scaredypants). unless things change up and push it back towards a tie, i'll set my vote on my other wolfy read for now

yeet april

Thus far I can’t find diddily squat from TE that makes her look like prime wolf bait.
She called me out for being low post which is understandable and had April in her wolf reads. Also had a mild wolf read WZ.
I like her point about if sunshine was a wolf she would probably pay attention to post minimums but she got there. I personally think the easiest way to wolf would be to consistently skirt by at the post minimums and don’t draw attention to yourself. As I go forward I’m keeping an eye on sunshine.
Thus far I see nothing that gives away that TE had some kind of role. Unless there’s something over the 6 pages I have left to review it seems like the wolves either saw her as a threat with her reads or it was RNG.
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Wolves should have the D1 numbers to save Pippy, unless the other wagon is also a wolf (or all wolves voting on it).

This point right here seems like village mayo to me.

Fair enough, I must have missed it.

Did you think Pippy was 3P or a wolf? I know you didn't think she was village?

How is making the selfish choice not anti-village?

Isn't the village better off getting a wolf (or even a serial killer) and possibly losing a villager in the process?

Same question to AM

I just have to agree with you here. Those 2 claiming selfish choices seems anti-village with the self preservation. I will say though AM changing her vote last minute because she thought the train was safe and wanted to preserve herself because she’s “so damn important to the village” (paraphrasing) sounds like true AM line of thought. She definitely always finds herself to be the most important in the game and calls out everyone else for not playing correctly. 🙄
WZ I’m more surprised about because she’d used the same claim in apocolypse. Almost word for word and she was like “yep seems legit save myself”. I really don’t get why she would have taken it seriously.

ok so someone mentioned WildZoo's bomb role in the end of the world game, so I read the last write-up of that and she killed everyone. I get that Pippy probably can't kill EVERYONE but I can't figure out how hers works, like does she kill all the people that yeet her? one of them? She's making it seem like she can pick? I'm just not confident enough to call her bluff like some others are

I don’t know if anyone ever responded to you but since apocalypse was my last game it’s a little fresher for me than others. WZ went boom, but she claimed days before that that she would explode on being yeeted and that she’d take at least one person with her.
I was very calmly like uh so are just going to ignore this threat? And I let vets talk me into “oh it’s a 3rd party ignore them” and that caused all but AM to. This is why if someone is outted as a chaos 3rd party in future games I’m gonna try and yeet them just as I yeet wolves. **** that. Everything anti-village can die.

Crap I forgot to vote! Sorry guys! I probably would’ve gone for pippy though because her claim seemed sus

Welp that did not win village points.

Unyeet Pippy
Yeet alissa

To live while voting my other wolf read in case the vengeful claim was real.

In case she actually was a vengeful wolf. At baseline, I'm still narcissistic enough that I know village would be ****ed if I die.

I quoted the vote because it was sketchy as hell to move last minute like that to someone with no votes. It could be in an effort to be off the bandwagon later.
But the little I’ve played with AM and what I’ve toted i can buy that explanation. She definitely thinks she is the universe’s gift to village. She’s between neutral and wolf leans for me right now. I’m sure she’ll give me plenty more content over the next 6 pages.

I didn't want to die if pippy was telling the truth and I don't think April is a wolf

I thought I made a post to that effect earlier but maybe that was in my head lol

Not to mention she kept flipping back and forth between a single casualty or multiple casualties in her bomb claim, so having as few people on the vote as possible seemed like a good idea anyway


But yeah was mostly because I was annoyed and wanted to play for more than a day. Sue me.

So here’s the thing. In the same comment you explain why her claims don’t make sense, it was a claim you had used and knew you made up in another game and claim self preservation. It doesn’t really make sense to me and I can’t follow that logic. Wolf leans to you. I’m sure you’ll also give me plenty of content over the next 6 pages

 

[supershorty]

I screwed up the quote formatting trying to quote 2 quotes at once from the same post. @sunshinefl

supershorty said:
Well, she'd know Pippy wasn't wolf if she's wolf. She wouldn't know whether she was village or 3p though. But yeah, it seems like a late move to a "safer" vote in the event of more scrutiny today.

sunshinefl said:
again, how? I stand by the april sus and still have her wolf. Pippy became a bigger threat so I moved. and interesting that you ignored Z saying "Pippy was village..."

The bolded part of my quote is addressing the bolded part of your quote, I didn't ignore it.

 

[LaineyLou]

@LaineyLou Enigma is dead

I knew that lol idk what I was doing lol

 

[LaineyLou]

messed up how?

Self incrimination. I feel they’d have a big wolf slip by now

 

[LaineyLou]

I'm not seeing how these two statements can coexist. How could I switch off of April to save her as my packmate if she is also a villager?

That’s in the rare case she is a wolf but I still lean village for her

 

[supershorty]

That’s in the rare case she is a wolf but I still lean village for her

So what are you leaning for mayo then?

 

[LaineyLou]

So what are you leaning for mayo then?

Wolf lean

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay I'm caught up

I think this energy would be better used for wolfhunting instead of pointing out NAI things.

Right thats why I'm trying to redirect the BS NAI directed towards me into wolf hunting for the village

I just ran through the tally and it's only three, which is equal to alissa's wagon. It don't think it's a massive pile up this early on.

I'm shocked you didn't put yourself in the top tier for once.

I hope your roommate knows how powerful I am now.

The unvote is the only thing you noted me doing from yesterday? Also, are you leaning Barks/April w/w?

I haven't searched their interactions and I know Barks voted April, but we also saw last game that doesn't mean anything. I haven't really started to see packs yet those are independent reads.

Hmm. Never really like those kinds of catchup posts. Generates the appearance of extra "content" without actually progressing the game because it's a lot of "but I haven't caught up yet" and statements that are out of sync with the current gamestate.

okay so what do you want people to do exactly when they become available? Just skip 8 pages and jump in or what?

So why defend sun and say her vote has no resistance and not any good reasons but then say you aren’t caught up so cant comment accurately when questioned?

Im worried she's trying to pocket me...

There's also answers to her questions on the next page.

yes shorty I saw that after the fact but I don't read in reverse order.

I screwed up the quote formatting trying to quote 2 quotes at once from the same post. @sunshinefl




The bolded part of my quote is addressing the bolded part of your quote, I didn't ignore it.

Yes I know you didn't miss it and responded correctly yourself, BUT you didn't point it out either.

 

[supershorty]

Z writes a dissertation:
-trying to clear/defend april
-trying to suggest TME the mason was a random lucky NK in an elaborate wolf plan to throw more sus on april who was already sus'ed as evidenced by coming in 2nd place for yeet?

This seems a little disingenuous given that the discussion at that point had turned to trying to figure out why TME would be the NK target. It's not like it came out of nowhere, and the reason he suggested is plausible. I'm not going to say I understand the connection from that to his yeet vote, but I'm not sure they're actually connected or if it just happened to come at the end.

 

[supershorty]

Wolf lean

Why? If you're leaning village on April, then your wolf lean on mayo doesn't make any sense with the explanation you gave before.

 

[supershorty]

Yes I know you didn't miss it and responded correctly yourself, BUT you didn't point it out either.

I don't know how to explain to you that my response to it was pointing it out.

 

[sunshinefl]

This seems a little disingenuous given that the discussion at that point had turned to trying to figure out why TME would be the NK target. It's not like it came out of nowhere, and the reason he suggested is plausible. I'm not going to say I understand the connection from that to his yeet vote, but I'm not sure they're actually connected or if it just happened to come at the end.

I see what you're saying, and its possible, but I gave him sus points for that. And your last sentence was another of my points. Even if he's sincere about TME being part of an elaborate plan to sus an already sus april, wtf does that have to do with me?

 

[LaineyLou]

Why? If you're leaning village on April, then your wolf lean on mayo doesn't make any sense with the explanation you gave before.

My wolf lean doesn’t have to do with April it has to do with their behavior especially in the start of the game. I could however see Mayo for sure being a wolf if April were to flip wolf. I don’t read her as a wolf I was just saying that would make sense and is one theory

 

[sunshinefl]

I don't know how to explain to you that my response to it was pointing it out.

I read your response more as continuing the conversation with him rather than hold up wait a minute..

 

[WildZoo]

So here’s the thing. In the same comment you explain why her claims don’t make sense, it was a claim you had used and knew you made up in another game and claim self preservation. It doesn’t really make sense to me and I can’t follow that logic. Wolf leans to you. I’m sure you’ll also give me plenty of content over the next 6 pages

I can think something is a lie and still not be willing to risk my life for it. Despite the fact that I made it up the particulars in Apocalypse and that she made up the particulars here, vengeful roles are still a real thing, and I still had a feeling like pippy was trying to get votes on her for some reason, even if it wasn't actually so she could blow people up.

Like I said, I wanted to play for more than a day, she already had enough votes. TME did the exact same thing and was village and I'm sure the April vote wasn't 100% wolves, so this rhetoric is not only annoying but proven false.

 

[Dinashadow]

what does this mean because pippy wasn't village, april is sus, poppy just became the bigger threat, AND lastly, if I was a wolf who saw an obvious 3P threat with a mounting yeet vote, why would I vote to yeet her? that doesn't make any sense.

Why not? 3P's can be bad for wolves and village, especially with a serial killer ability. I've seen a 3P upset a wolf win before

 

[supershorty]

I read your response more as continuing the conversation with him rather than hold up wait a minute..

I mean, it was more like a gentle correction, but if it makes you feel better, I also said "yo, Pippy was 3p" in person while I was writing that response to him.

 

[WildZoo]

Like I don't understand why the only pro-village move is to be a sacrificial lamb in that situation. Village numbers count for something and I was leaning towards her being 3p with some reason to want to be voted. Not exactly something I want to throw the entire village at.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm also wondering why AM and I are the only ones getting questioned on this when we're also the only ones who died n1 last game. Like everyone else is also free to take one for the team, as it were.

 

[Barkley13]

Self incrimination. I feel they’d have a big wolf slip by now

She’s been pretty quiet and I wouldn’t really expect even a new wolf to say anything super crazy and incriminating by day 2 if at all

 

[sunshinefl]

Why not? 3P's can be bad for wolves and village, especially with a serial killer ability. I've seen a 3P upset a wolf win before

Well I guess. But 1. I’m village and 2. I haven’t seen what you’re describing

I mean, it was more like a gentle correction, but if it makes you feel better, I also said "yo, Pippy was 3p" in person while I was writing that response to him.

Yes it does make me feel better lol

 

[Zenge142]

Okay, my vote on Sunshine was mostly about applying pressure and I think that’s been accomplished.

I still think my theory of why the wolves killed Enigma has merit, but I’m not really certain one way or the other on April, so who knows.

For now though:

Unyeet Sunshine

 

[supershorty]

Sunshine, now that you're caught up, could you share your wolfy leans, please?

 

[WildZoo]

yes exactly. Just one of many sketchy things Barks has done.

Can you expand on these many things?

okay so me busy=wolf, WZ busy=okay

I already said my points were not about you being busy

 

[WildZoo]

Dubz was seeming really neutral with the whole cray versus shorty discussion with slight support of shorty “hey cray that wasn’t necessary” I’m reading dubz as a ??? Because they could be overly trying to be neutral to seem less sus as a wolf.

So you would have wanted me to, what, pick a side? Why?

 

[WildZoo]

Crays assertive and sorta aggressive discussion versus shorty seemed like true aggravation rather than anything really wolfy. I still lean village for cray because I feel she was just frustrated. I feel like if she were a wolf she’d try harder not to get so defensive and possibly get yeeted.

Shorty seems village but I could also see them provoking cray to try to get cray yeeted. She also made some good points.

Considering you also seem to be reading them both village

 

[WildZoo]

AM I’m questioning rn because of her last minute unyeet of pippy. Like I get it to save herself from the trouble pippy might cause but it also bothered me a lot. Felt antivillage. But also I’d be more sus of her as a wolf of pippy flipped wolf. But I also know AM is much smarter in this game and probably can play circles around some of us which makes me a tad suspicious. Otherwise they seem normal so I’m leaning in the ???? Category

Mayo I yeeted April and yeeted pippy at the end of the yeet last night which made me suspicious because I feel they were really wanting to yeet april early on. Though there were plenty of good reasons to yeet pippy I felt as if this good be a wolf that unyeets another wolf later on to try to save April. If that makes sense? Anyways wolf lean.

These two points seem contradictory

 

[supershorty]

So you would have wanted me to, what, pick a side? Why?

I'm also not sure that being like "hey now" when things get really heated is really picking a side either way, tbh. I don't follow Lainey's train of thought.

 

[Dinashadow]

Well I guess. But 1. I’m village and 2. I haven’t seen what you’re describing

You were trying to say your pippy yeet shows that you're village and I'm just pointing out why it doesn't

 

[WildZoo]

have you done this yet? I'm curious to see as well what tipped off the wolves

No, haven't had time

this is what I asked earlier. It's kinda weird that mason chat would be trackable so I'm having a hard time completely accepting the Cray mason claim.

Doesn't matter now because shorty saw TE interact with cray, not the other way around

...... this still isn't specific about what they were doing.

Watcher/tracker results usually don't give action specifics

 

[sunshinefl]

You were trying to say your pippy yeet shows that you're village and I'm just pointing out why it doesn't

Wrong. I was responding to the conspiracy theories about me moving from April to Pippy, not trying to get the village to throw me a parade because I voted on Pippy.

 

[Zenge142]

not trying to get the village to throw me a parade because I voted on Pippy.

Okay, but like...you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. Who doesn’t love a good parade?

 

[WildZoo]

This point right here seems like village mayo to me.

Why?

 

[Dinashadow]

Wrong. I was responding to the conspiracy theories about me moving from April to Pippy, not trying to get the village to throw me a parade because I voted on Pippy.

what does this mean because pippy wasn't village, april is sus, poppy just became the bigger threat, AND lastly, if I was a wolf who saw an obvious 3P threat with a mounting yeet vote, why would I vote to yeet her? that doesn't make any sense.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but this is literally what you said.

 

[samac]

I have yet to mention enigma or April today so not sure why you wrote a dissertation and then wrapped it up by concluding I’m your number 1 suspect.

“noteably less active” bro it’s day 2 in the game. Day 1 of the game I had to travel across my state early morning, do my shift, and then move into new housing and meet my roommates (1 of which is an M3 so I didn’t know, the other is an M4 I know but he came home with a random girl and there was a bunch of chaos)

Before this rotation which started 8 days ago, I was OFF for 4 weeks. Hence why I could not only be more active, but could be more thorough.

okay through page 20.


yes I have considered that as well despite already having cray village lean before all this mason reveal/debate

have you done this yet? I'm curious to see as well what tipped off the wolves

this is what I asked earlier. It's kinda weird that mason chat would be trackable so I'm having a hard time completely accepting the Cray mason claim.


hmmmmm....... this doesn't really confirm what was going on with TME/Cray either.

this seems disingenuously naive for what I think Z is capable of. He's writing a lot of words, but is also saying he doesn't understand why the mason would be a wolf target.

This was like calculus and gave me a head ache. Also made me realize I can't even think about modding yet since I can't process this.

...... this still isn't specific about what they were doing.

no explanation given in this post or in last couple posts just a naked vote and everyone is cool with that?

I know I already commented on this once in a skim of that page. But now I'm caught up to it again.

Z writes a dissertation:
-trying to clear/defend april
-trying to suggest TME the mason was a random lucky NK in an elaborate wolf plan to throw more sus on april who was already sus'ed as evidenced by coming in 2nd place for yeet?
-somehow reaches a conclusion to yeet me based off an essay not about me at all.

I still wolf read april. Pippy just became a bigger threat. I moved as soon as I caught up to the pippy shenanigans

what does this mean because pippy wasn't village, april is sus, poppy just became the bigger threat, AND lastly, if I was a wolf who saw an obvious 3P threat with a mounting yeet vote, why would I vote to yeet her? that doesn't make any sense.

again, how? I stand by the april sus and still have her wolf. Pippy became a bigger threat so I moved. and interesting that you ignored Z saying "Pippy was village..."

I can’t fault sunshine for being in the exact same boat I was in yesterday of being too busy. I know I very recently made a post saying I wanted to hear more from her and she’s done that. I’m flipping her from leaving wolf to leaning village and I’m finding myself also sus of Z. I’ve not played with him before but I find it weird that he has this elaborate reasoning for the TE vote. It feels like an over-explainy possible wolf-y mistake.

 

[WildZoo]

okay so what do you want people to do exactly when they become

Quote cut off, sorry

I think it makes more sense and is more legitimately pro-village to make notes as you go and if something has been resolved while you're reading, delete or edit that part of your commentary before you post. Especially if you're several pages behind because that means the gamestate has probably moved waaaay beyond your commentary. And then you don't get the back and forth of people responding to what youve said to update you and questioning you on things that you probably wouldn't have said if you had been more caught up. Decreases thread bloat overall.


I also do think it is legitimate to jump in to current happenings, maybe catch up on the current page or the last couple, and see if you can talk to people in real time. But that's just more valuable to me when I'm forming reads, not saying that's the only way to do things.