GGoats!! - An aMAAAAAHzing WW thread

[Aprilthearab]

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I knew what you were talking about already. That's why I asked you to back up what you were saying quotes.

That quote was addressed to Lainey

Edit: I misread your point here my bad

 

[WildZoo]

I guess I don't see why it's AM's responsibility to talk about other candidates when she still thought alissa was a wolf? Like yes I get that the back and forth with cray was annoying (though shared responsibility there), but it's on the people who were village-reading alissa to come up with arguments for other people...like why would AM engage in an attempt to pull the wagon off alissa if she didn't believe in it?

 

[Aprilthearab]

I don't understand why you're only focusing on the last 15 minutes and not the efforts I've been doing in the moments leading into that, regardless, but also I can show your posts from the last 15 minutes of yesterday if we want to go down this path.

I'm not saying it's the center of my argument. I'm not even making a big case against you right now. I mentioned it once and all of my comments about it since have been answers to your questions.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm not saying it's the center of my argument. I'm not even making a big case against you right now. I mentioned it once and all of my comments about it since have been answers to your questions.

What is your argument then?

 

[samac]

Unyeet WZ
Yeet Doggos

Just seeing if anyone is willing to bite on anything other than the Alissa wagon.

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems flimsly.

UNYEET ALISSA

YEET DOGGO

I was ISOing mayo and now I’m really confused by Zenge.
the first person to jump on the doggos train was mayo. Zenge was the last one on.
When Zenge was talking last night about doing it because he was wanting to get get the data points of who would quickly switch trains to doggo doesn’t make sense when he was the last one on it. I’m very conflicted on him. Multiple people here say he’s a strong villager and I’ve never played with him, however the action and the explanation don’t add up.
Feels like it could have been a wolf trying to jump off a train that they knew was village to look better and with all the last minute waffling afraid that the new train might take off.

Now, I’m going back through mayo’s posts.

 

[Zenge142]

When Zenge was talking last night about doing it because he was wanting to get get the data points of who would quickly switch trains to doggo doesn’t make sense when he was the last one on it.

I can’t know I’m going to be the last one on until it actually happens.

Also I wasn’t the last one, Alissa followed me.
I was hoping to see who else would.

 

[samac]

I can’t know I’m going to be the last one on until it actually happens.

Also I wasn’t the last one, Alissa followed me.
I was hoping to see who else would.

It made sense for Alissa to go onto the person leading in votes for self preservation At that time there hadn’t been a vote on sunshine in a while and people were waffling to doggo so that made sense for her to do that.
but I don’t know how you can say you were doing an experiment as the 3rd person on. You jumped on a train (then jumped off when Alissa jumped on, possibly thinking it may have had the ability to take off) not started one and I find that suspicious.

I’m going to see how this feels until I finish combing through mayo’s posts.
yeet Zenge

 

[Animal Midwife]

It made sense for Alissa to go onto the person leading in votes for self preservation At that time there hadn’t been a vote on sunshine in a while and people were waffling to doggo so that made sense for her to do that.
but I don’t know how you can say you were doing an experiment as the 3rd person on. You jumped on a train (then jumped off when Alissa jumped on, possibly thinking it may have had the ability to take off) not started one and I find that suspicious.

I’m going to see how this feels until I finish combing through mayo’s posts.
yeet Zenge

Do you have updated thoughts on sunshine?

 

[samac]

Do you have updated thoughts on sunshine?

I need to see more from her today since I don’t think she’s posted since last night, I still think her meltdown was wolfy, but I also don’t think the interactions between her and Zenge are W/W. I think one is likely a wolf, I’m just not sure which.

 

[Zenge142]

but I don’t know how you can say you were doing an experiment as the 3rd person on.

Well. With 2 people on it’s not really an appealing possibility.

With 3 people on, it seems like things might start taking off. Alissa clearly had that impression, that’s why she joined after me.

I was hoping to see if anyone else would. It would have given some interesting data points. It didn’t pan out, unfortunately, but it was worth trying.

 

[WildZoo]

I still think zenge's play there was a village move and doesn't really make much sense for a wolf. In light of the fact that alissa flipped village, doesn't make sense for a wolf Zenge to get cold feet about a new wagon forming and flip back to the other unless doggo is his wolf partner, in which case he wouldn't have moved over in the first place.

 

[kaydubs]

MOSTLY OFFICIAL D3 Yeet Tally

mayo (6) - Cray, Doggo, DubZ, April, Zenge, Lainey
April (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - samac


8/13

Leading: @holdthemayo

Missing: @holdthemayo @Dinashadow @Barkley13 @sunshinefl @mkg323

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern/11pm AST/9pm Central/7pm fantasyland (~6.5 HOURS)

CHECK YO VOTES

 

[Aprilthearab]

What is your argument then?

At best, I might keep you in my neutrals. At worst, I might move you into wolfy leans territory because some small things I've seeing from you are weirding me out.

 

[Animal Midwife]

At best, I might keep you in my neutrals. At worst, I might move you into wolfy leans territory because some small things I've seeing from you are weirding me out.

What things?

 

[sunshinefl]

I don't think Alissa has a strong case but I'm 2nd in count after her

........... so it was sketch for everyone but you?

what, like saving a villager?

Save alissa from who? You were the next biggest wagon.

ahem ma'am I already addressed that. I tried to point out alissa was a weak vote, but I wasn't going to fall on my sword for her.

For all who are backseat driving the alissa yeet, vote for the first time by 4pm est tomorrow. Then you'll have valid reason to complain if the wagons still aren't what you had in mind.

well i have 10 mins

This reads kinda like worried wolf, but not sure why a wolf wouldn't keep open 3P hunting to pack chat.

because he wasn't really 3P hunting, he was just trying to create fake info around the pack kill.

That’s not how I intended for you to read it.

well wolves often aren't pleased with how they are perceived.

 

[LaineyLou]

I need to see more from her today since I don’t think she’s posted since last night, I still think her meltdown was wolfy, but I also don’t think the interactions between her and Zenge are W/W. I think one is likely a wolf, I’m just not sure which.

Why specifically between those two do you suspect one to be W/V?

 

[LaineyLou]

ahem ma'am I already addressed that. I tried to point out alissa was a weak vote, but I wasn't going to fall on my sword for her.

well i have 10 mins

because he wasn't really 3P hunting, he was just trying to create fake info around the pack kill.

well wolves often aren't pleased with how they are perceived.

So are you reading zenge as wolf?

 

[sunshinefl]

I'm trying to quick read and catch up while minimizing quoting a whole bunch of stuff to please the masses. I am only quoting that which I feel I must.

 

[sunshinefl]

So are you reading zenge as wolf?

yes, in fact (barring something changing my mind page 33-35)

YEET Zenge

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm willing to buy this.

No one seems to want to jump back on the April wagon with me. I'll switch to one of my other wolf reads.

Unyeet April
Yeet WZ

Why did you go doggo > WZ later

Do you think she is silent or do you think she is wolfy?

Honest question. It will influence my vote.

Sounds like Mayo asking for confirmation from cray (who is basically hard-cleared village) to go onto the alissa vote. Kinda wolfy

#### yeet alissa ####

Did you explain why you decided on alissa? I couldn't find anything on quick iso

Big wagon.
Not a lot of resistance.

Got the willies again.

Last min waffles elsewhere?

Alissa's answers are not really giving me strong villagey vibes so far.

But 8 people on a wagon...

sunny seems like the most logical place for wolfy wafflers to throw their votes if she's really village. I said I was going to reevaluate her tomorrow and I don't intend to go back on that. I'm not sure where I'd put my vote if I pulled it off alissa right now.

Don't like this.

These were about 20 minutes before yeet close - shorty and cray questioning the wagon

So it seems like a number of us are interested in waffling because it's really dang weird that a whole bunch of people just jumped onto Alissa with no resistance. It's not going to be effective if all of us just throw a vote on someone with no basis or discussion. Does anyone have a backup option?

Isn't that what you did when you switched to doggo though?

Unyeet WZ
Yeet Doggos

Just seeing if anyone is willing to bite on anything other than the Alissa wagon.

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems flimsly.

I was actually thinking Doggo might be a viable option before you said that. I'm comfortable with that.

Unyeet Alissa
Yeet Doggo

Mayo and april at 9:53 pm both flip to doggo

Is there anywhere you would go?

Are you less confident on Sunshine or Alissa?

I feel like the argument for both is based on inactivity rather than actual content, so I'm trying to find something worthwhile here.

This was mayo's response to me hesitating to yeet someone who wasn't around and who hadn't really been mentioned much on thread. With this logic that I bolded I'm not sure why he went to doggo, especially because he was voting for dubz earlier in the day.

There's been a lot of mention about a lot of things they've said that have pinged people and doggo's best defense has been "Idk I'm trying something different"

Why was this a better reason to go to doggo from alissa whose defense was "I was busy, will share reads if I survive yeet"?

 

[Dinashadow]

###unyeet alissa###
### yeet april ###

I dont want to vote sunshine bc I really think they were just frustrated earlier. Plus I'm not willing to get on the doggo vote with april and mayo

Thoughts today on april, mayo, and sunny?

I don't think Alissa has a strong case but I'm 2nd in count after her

Thoughts on how the yeet went down yesterday and the doggo waffle?

 

[Aprilthearab]

What things?

In my original post

Honestly I have not been a fan of AM repeatedly advertising her inflated self-importance - she often does so but subtly, don't know what's going on this game that she feels the need to make it so known. Didn't like her Alissa push with taking no responsibility after the fact. Didn't like her chatting it up with Cray right at yeet close instead of paying attention to what was happening.

Still kind of shaky reasons because I'm working today and spending all my free time engaging in discussion instead of catching up on the 10 pages I'm behind on

 

[LaineyLou]

Mkg! Where you at on your reads? I feel we haven’t heard much from you

 

[Dinashadow]

I think we've (myself included) gotten very wrapped up in Sun and I need to take a step back and not let the heat of the argument cloud my decision, might take me a minute. Village leans on zenge, shorty, cray, and mkg. Can elaborate if needed. More than a few still in neutrals. Starting to think Sun is a really frustrated villager and I'm not comfortable putting my vote there tonight. When I was catching up, some things that Alissa called me out for seemed intentionally taken out of context, and now I think she's letting Sun dig her own grave. Although I haven't really mentioned it, Barks is giving me weird vibes and it's something I can't really put my finger on, but that's not where I want to put my vote less than an hour before yeet close with such a shaky basis. Some people have mentioned the same about doggo and I need to think about that too.

I think I am most comfortable putting my vote on Alissa tonight unless something big changes.

Yeet Alissa

This is the only read I found from you on doggo yesterday. Please make it make sense why doggo was a better option to waffle to last night last minute instead of alissa?

Also because you literally said "That's not where I want to put my vote less than an hour before yeet close with a shaky basis" to the barks vote.

 

[Dinashadow]

Apologies, I really tried to break all of this up to avoid long text pots

 

[supershorty]

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This game is really missing a great opportunity to call misyeets scapegoats.

Puns for the win. Go village!
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[Barkley13]

I understand the reasonings behind the mayo vote and like the logic in a lot of it. Also sketchy: sunshine, april, samac

 

[samac]

Fair enough. She's def not village.

Unyeet April
Yeet Pippy

Worst case scenario I get an entertaining death.

Didn’t feel like the self preserving wolf I know mayo as.

I'm not seeing how these two statements can coexist. How could I switch off of April to save her as my packmate if she is also a villager?

Honestly, does it matter? The wolves could have killed TE for any number of reasons - including to try to confuse us. Or completely at random.

This does not feel like wolf mayo. I don’t remember him ever commenting on wolfing strategy when he was wolf.

Did an Iso on Doggo and Barkley today to tell them apart

Barks came out very village

Doggos was mixed, so I'm willing to explore that direction.

Do you care to explain the reads on doggo?

If we manage a lightbulb moment, we'll have less breakfast but you won't be in the dark.

For one, Mayo you throw out all the stuff about lightbulbs and hatching. You made a few pigeon references I have no idea what is going on with that. Did something happen last night? Why haven’t you spoken today?

one thing I remember from mayo as a wolf is he was calculating. Every post he made had a purpose. He only got caught in a last minute yeet because of a small slip up. I don’t think this weird light bulb stuff is wolf mayo because it draws so much attention to himself but I absolutely understand the suspicions. I’m like him to get around to posting today.

 

[Barkley13]

Yeet april

I'm still neutral on AM but don't feel horrible about voting with her. I also think the mayo wagon doesn't really need the help rn lol

 

[Barkley13]

Didn’t feel like the self preserving wolf I know mayo as.



This does not feel like wolf mayo. I don’t remember him ever commenting on wolfing strategy when he was wolf.

Do you care to explain the reads on doggo?

For one, Mayo you throw out all the stuff about lightbulbs and hatching. You made a few pigeon references I have no idea what is going on with that. Did something happen last night? Why haven’t you spoken today?

one thing I remember from mayo as a wolf is he was calculating. Every post he made had a purpose. He only got caught in a last minute yeet because of a small slip up. I don’t think this weird light bulb stuff is wolf mayo because it draws so much attention to himself but I absolutely understand the suspicions. I’m like him to get around to posting today.

so you think mayo is village?

 

[Zenge142]

I decided to ISO Samac’s posts. There’s only like 20 posts or so in total, so there’s not a lot of actual content to go through, but what is in those posts is an unhealthy amount of agreeing with, and white knighting for Mayo.

Pressing April on her Mayo vote:

I’ll catch up but I’m curious looking at the vote list did April say why Mayo?

Fighting with April on April’s Mayo vote:

I do find it interesting you stayed on mayo. I think he’s always been one to throw a few jokes out. Seems weak, especially when you were on the chopping block.

Backing up Mayo and attacking AM and Dubz to be aligned with Mayo:

I just have to agree with you here. Those 2 claiming selfish choices seems anti-village with the self preservation. I will say though AM changing her vote last minute because she thought the train was safe and wanted to preserve herself because she’s “so damn important to the village” (paraphrasing) sounds like true AM line of thought. She definitely always finds herself to be the most important in the game and calls out everyone else for not playing correctly.
WZ I’m more surprised about because she’d used the same claim in apocolypse. Almost word for word and she was like “yep seems legit save myself”. I really don’t get why she would have taken it seriously.

Continuing to attack AM and Dubz, parroting Mayo (Mayo was the only one to “like” react to this btw):

I quoted the vote because it was sketchy as hell to move last minute like that to someone with no votes. It could be in an effort to be off the bandwagon later.
But the little I’ve played with AM and what I’ve toted i can buy that explanation. She definitely thinks she is the universe’s gift to village. She’s between neutral and wolf leans for me right now. I’m sure she’ll give me plenty more content over the next 6 pages.

So here’s the thing. In the same comment you explain why her claims don’t make sense, it was a claim you had used and knew you made up in another game and claim self preservation. It doesn’t really make sense to me and I can’t follow that logic. Wolf leans to you. I’m sure you’ll also give me plenty of content over the next 6 pages

White Knighting for Mayo again:

I’ve played with wolf mayo and village mayo. as wolf mayo I don’t remember him drawing much attention to wolf counts and how many would need to control a wagon. It felt village to me.

And again:

I’ll go through and do an in depth iso on Mayo but I’ve found myself nodding along with most of his posts. I’m following his logic and I have him as a strong village lean despite others thinking he’s wolfy.

How’s that ISO going?

I was ISOing mayo and now I’m really confused by Zenge.
the first person to jump on the doggos train was mayo. Zenge was the last one on.
When Zenge was talking last night about doing it because he was wanting to get get the data points of who would quickly switch trains to doggo doesn’t make sense when he was the last one on it. I’m very conflicted on him. Multiple people here say he’s a strong villager and I’ve never played with him, however the action and the explanation don’t add up.
Feels like it could have been a wolf trying to jump off a train that they knew was village to look better and with all the last minute waffling afraid that the new train might take off.

Now, I’m going back through mayo’s posts.

This is a pretty ridiculous amount of white knighting someone who a lot of other people see as sketch, and Samac is just willfully blind to it, maybe intentionally.

 

[samac]

Why specifically between those two do you suspect one to be W/V?

The biggest thing is I find them both suspicious. Sunshine in her uncharacteristic breakdown and Zenge in his weird flip flops and over explanations. I think either could be the wolf, but I don’t think they’re W/W.

so you think mayo is village?

Right now I honestly still do. He’s not giving me the and vibes as what he gave me as a wolf.

I decided to ISO Samac’s posts. There’s only like 20 posts or so in total, so there’s not a lot of actual content to go through, but what is in those posts is an unhealthy amount of agreeing with, and white knighting for Mayo.

Pressing April on her Mayo vote:

Fighting with April on April’s Mayo vote:

Backing up Mayo and attacking AM and Dubz to be aligned with Mayo:

Continuing to attack AM and Dubz, parroting Mayo (Mayo was the only one to “like” react to this btw):



White Knighting for Mayo again:

And again:

How’s that I


This is a pretty ridiculous amount of white knighting someone who a lot of other people see as sketch, and Samac is just willfully blind to it, maybe intentionally.

I will fight for someone I think is village. See above for my ISO and call. I don’t know if you’ve seen wolf mayo but I really dont think this is it.

 

[Zenge142]

The biggest thing is I find them both suspicious. Sunshine in her uncharacteristic breakdown and Zenge in his weird flip flops and over explanations. I think either could be the wolf, but I don’t think they’re W/W.


Right now I honestly still do. He’s not giving me the and vibes as what he gave me as a wolf.


I will fight for someone I think is village. See above for my ISO and call. I don’t know if you’ve seen wolf mayo but I really dont think this is it.

So after this love letter to Mayo you call an ISO, what are your reads on all of the people currently on the Mayo wagon?

 

[sunshinefl]

Good point made on April.

Pg 21 could give you the feel WZ and Barks are working together. Not sure Af. That's my new abbreviation for affiliation.

yeah I have seen that connection and pointed it out already

Lainey almost gets village points for this

I did give her village cred for that. Seemed sincere.

@sunshinefl still feel this way? Reads today? What do you make of yesterday?

Yes I still feel that way about Zenge, perhaps even more because of his mercy kill comment for shorty.

I guess I don't see why it's AM's responsibility to talk about other candidates when she still thought alissa was a wolf? Like yes I get that the back and forth with cray was annoying (though shared responsibility there), but it's on the people who were village-reading alissa to come up with arguments for other people...like why would AM engage in an attempt to pull the wagon off alissa if she didn't believe in it?

well not sure how it's great that she pushed a village misyeet, and while doing so actively sabotaged the village from trying to get organized on other people.

Thoughts on how the yeet went down yesterday and the doggo waffle?

In regard to Mayo, I can see why that wasn’t great strategy to try to lead a weak last minute wafflefest. However, Alissa did indeed flip village. Which of course a wolf *could* know. But it would be much more damning if she flipped wolf (but still not 100% because a villager might not sus a wolf). Zenge's whole thing was weird, especially when as pointed out by someone else (Cray?) he wasn't starting a bandwagon to test, he was following a bandwagon. alissa was understandable as a self prez thing. April remains sus.

 

[Dinashadow]

Oh I meant to say too that, had I been on thread, the vote for me makes more sense, but doggo was a weak read at best. I am fine with people voting off wagon, I do it all the time, but don't wait until less than 10 minutes before the end of the day to figure your **** out and frame it as you being a hero.

Yeah the Monday morning QB'ing does not sit well with me. And I see no pressure on doggo from either of them today. April has just been focused on AM while saying this

I'm not saying it's the center of my argument. I'm not even making a big case against you right now. I mentioned it once and all of my comments about it since have been answers to your questions.

If not making a big case on her why spend all the time pulling quotes from her? Just feeling a lot of hedge rn

Yeet Mayo

Putting this here for aforementioned reasons while I'm at work

Looking forward to reasonings because mayo/april is not seeming OG w/w to me at the moment. Though maybe I shouldn't trust that thought after last game

 

[samac]

So after this love letter to Mayo you call an ISO, what are your reads on all of the people currently on the Mayo wagon?

Out of those of those on it:
We know cray is village.
Village lean on lainey
Neutral
Doggo, WZ, April
Wolf lean
Zenge

 

[Dinashadow]

Out of those of those on it:
We know cray is village.
Village lean on lainey
Neutral
Doggo, WZ, April
Wolf lean
Zenge

Who else besides zenge?

 

[Zenge142]

Out of those of those on it:
We know cray is village.
Village lean on lainey
Neutral
Doggo, WZ, April
Wolf lean
Zenge

So am I your only wolf lean in the game? You said Sunshine and I can’t possibly be in a pack together so, who else are you reading in this game as a wolf?

 

[Dinashadow]

Could see some combination of samac, mayo, and/or sunny in a pack together with the echoing and soft defense I've been getting from them

 

[Zenge142]

Could see some combination of samac, mayo, and/or sunny in a pack together with the echoing and soft defense I've been getting from them

This is shaping up to be my pack read too.

 

[sunshinefl]

current spreadsheet

Spoiler

 

[sunshinefl]

Could see some combination of samac, mayo, and/or sunny in a pack together with the echoing and soft defense I've been getting from them

I don't know their affiliations but I would like to see where I echoed them.

and for the 17th time, we are SDN friends from the human medicine side who ALSO happen to agree on general game principles which transcend any 1 game or affiliation.

 

[Dinashadow]

I don't know their affiliations but I would like to see where I echoed them.

and for the 17th time, we are SDN friends from the human medicine side who ALSO happen to agree on general game principles which transcend any 1 game or affiliation.

So do you think neither of them are wolves? Cause it's weird to me you think april is sus, but not mayo if we're talking in terms of the wagon last night.

 

[sunshinefl]

So do you think neither of them are wolves? Cause it's weird to me you think april is sus, but not mayo if we're talking in terms of the wagon last night.

I posted my whole spreadsheet. And I already specifically addressed mayo's vote move last night. And I have been openly sus of april since day 1.

 

[WildZoo]

well not sure how it's great that she pushed a village misyeet, and while doing so actively sabotaged the village from trying to get organized on other people.

I'm not saying it's great that she pushed a misyeet, I'm saying that literally happens every game and people very well could have been discussing other options without her help.

 

[Zenge142]

current spreadsheet

Spoiler

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So you’re saying you think the wolf pack is Me, April, AM, and Barks?

Your notes for why @Barkley13 is a wolf are really thin btw.

I don’t know what post you’re referencing, but it’s weird that you’re accusing Barks of being a wolf for defending Dubz, and then don’t even have Dubz listed as a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

If you think AM is a wolf fine, but pushing a wrong yeet does not a wolf make, and I raise my eyebrow a bit at anyone who would have expected AM to lead a conversation about who else to vote for if she already thought she was on the right track. Her being stuck on alissa didn't stop others from discussing who else they could vote for and making cases to that effect.

 

[samac]

Who else besides zenge?

So am I your only wolf lean in the game? You said Sunshine and I can’t possibly be in a pack together so, who else are you reading in this game as a wolf?

You asked for my reads on the mayo vote so I handed those to you.

As far as other wolf reads go I’m sus of mkg. Came out swinging as a noob, but using language that wouldn’t be typical of a noob. This could have stemmed from comments made in wolf chat bleeding into the game. After being called out on that she posted significantly less and hasn’t posted since last night. Could be a noob wolf who realized they messed up day 1 and are now trying to skirt by unnoticed.
AM I have as a wolf lean. She’s over the top about her importance to the village and it just rubs me the wrong way. She’s aggro as per her usual, but I don’t remember her having an inflated self importance.

current spreadsheet

Spoiler

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I’ve gotta ask is this something you have been doing in recent games? I remember you throwing out your spreadsheet as a diversion tactic when you were a wolf in apocolypse up for yeet. I had actually forgotten you wolved in that game until I saw this and it jogged my memory.

 

[Barkley13]

Your notes for why @Barkley13 is a wolf are really thin btw.

I'm still curious about this answer personally:

Just one of many sketchy things Barks has done.

Can you expand on these many things?

Well i've been reduced down to "defended dubz and mkg" even though I know someone (dubz?) asked her about all the supposedly sketchy things I've down

 

[Barkley13]

As far as other wolf reads go I’m sus of mkg. Came out swinging as a noob, but using language that wouldn’t be typical of a noob. This could have stemmed from comments made in wolf chat bleeding into the game. After being called out on that she posted significantly less and hasn’t posted since last night. Could be a noob wolf who realized they messed up day 1 and are now trying to skirt by unnoticed.

So basically you think that wolf chat day 1 was full of a bunch of terms that a noob wouldn't know originally but would quickly pick up in that short amount of time? And that that's more likely than the offered explanation that she read past threads and picked up the terms there?