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Zenge142 said:
How do you know the wolves took her out, and not 3p?
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I'm assuming it's a wolf kill. Not really sure why there would be yet another 3P with kill powers this game... seems kinda out of balance, by my calc there should be around 4-5 wolves or 3P total, if there's 2 3P that would leave only like 2-3 wolves, and 5 is high, so more like 4 baddies and for only 2 to be wolves seems low. Plus you'd be positing that the non-wolf kill went through but the wolf one didn't since only one death last night. I haven't gone to bed yet, so excuse me if at 5 am I didn't consider all this before posting and being questioned.

I had no reason, but I can see why 3P wasn't first in my mind and I assumed wolf kill. 1 NK is a wolf kill 99% of the time.
 
Zenge142 said:
How do you know the wolves took her out, and not 3p?
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But I do have to wonder why 3P is forefront of your mind? Just because we just got a 3P, or are you particularly worried about wolf vs 3P identities?

Rarely do you find me pontificating about the exact flavor non-village comes in, I just try to find anyone who isn't village. Unlike some players I don't care what kind of neutral or chaos they are lying about being.
 
Crayola227 said:
But I do have to wonder why 3P is forefront of your mind? Just because we just got a 3P, or are you particularly worried about wolf vs 3P identities?

Rarely do you find me pontificating about the exact flavor non-village comes in, I just try to find anyone who isn't village. Unlike some players I don't care what kind of neutral or chaos they are lying about being.
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You just seemed to immediately assume it was a wolf, and I wasn’t sure why.

Given this is my first non basics(ish) game, I’m not really familiar with what to expect the given breakdowns would be , of how many wolves, vs. 3p, vs who knows what.
 
Crayola227 said:
I'm assuming it's a wolf kill. Not really sure why there would be yet another 3P with kill powers this game... seems kinda out of balance, by my calc there should be around 4-5 wolves or 3P total, if there's 2 3P that would leave only like 2-3 wolves, and 5 is high, so more like 4 baddies and for only 2 to be wolves seems low. Plus you'd be positing that the non-wolf kill went through but the wolf one didn't since only one death last night. I haven't gone to bed yet, so excuse me if at 5 am I didn't consider all this before posting and being questioned.

I had no reason, but I can see why 3P wasn't first in my mind and I assumed wolf kill. 1 NK is a wolf kill 99% of the time.
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Now if you're right with the numbers and 2 wolves, there would need to be a conversion mechanism to even it out maybe, but then not sure if that unbalances things with total number of baddies.

And AM is going to want to spank me for even saying the C word on D2 and for any talk about mechanism. But I thought it was worth thinking this all the way through.
 
I went back and ISOed Cray after night results were posted and found a few things that pinged me that I want to leave here. I'm revising my read of Cray down from village to neutral for now, and I want to see how she responds to this. I feel like normally by D2, village!cray has at least half the players in the game in her POE, and she really isn't coming across as the PGO/armed standoff Cray that I'm used to villaging with. Was just an uneasy feeling before, but now it's a little stronger.
Crayola227 said:
So this is either w/v, v/w, or w/w
You're right and April is stretching she's woof
You're shading your packmate
Or you're a woof

Got my eye on you
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At first read, this struck me as typical village!cray, but it was odd that she "forgot" to include the possibility of v/v interaction.
Crayola227 said:
This all seems like pretty good analysis, except for where you're trying to shade me.
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This was in response to Pippy's GIANT post of one line feelings about specific posts. I'm not sure how applicable "pretty good analysis" was to that.

Crayola227 said:
If you're truly looking out for village I don't really appreciate that you've decided I'm the one you're going to kill if indeed you have kill power. But oh well.
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I'm not putting a ton of stock in interactions with Pippy because that whole situation was so weird and heated, but this gave me minor pings.
Crayola227 said:
1. @Animal Midwife
Village
2. @alissa14
Need more. Mayo defended. Pip defended Mayo.
3. @Zenge142
Village
4. @Aprilthearab
Sketch. Need more.
5. @PippyPony
The world's biggest liar.
6. @mkg323
Too good to be village noob.
7. @WildZoo
Sketch. Need more. Pip has tried really hard to shade.
8. @sunshinefl
Need more. Quiet is sketch.
10. @Doggo Labs
Neutral.
13. @Barkley13
Neutral.
14. @Dinashadow
Village.
17. @supershorty
Village.
22. @LaineyLou
Sketch. Need more.
23. @samac
Village-ish but need more.
36. @TelemarketingEnigma
Village.
127. @holdthemayo
My next vote. Pip/Mayo interactions make them look like packmate lovers.

In case Pip can carry out her threat and I'm not long for this world.
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I haven't seen Cray post a list of reads like this before without explanations, but I could buy the explanation that it was in case Pippy could actually kill her on her way out. But I haven't seen it before, so I'm making a note of it.
Crayola227 said:
This kinda bugs me, because I also considered a last min hop off, but the thing is, if enough people did that, it would be a problem. So someone has to take the hit for team village. And you're always saying if the game comes down to just one villager doing what needs to be done, village is doomed. And what's to keep the wolves from just NK'ing you N1 as they did before, if you're so crucial to the villager cause? Or village yeeting you for making a sus move?

This just doesn't seem to follow logical principles of good village play in a way that seems to contradict a lot of what I feel is in the AM Guide to Good Village Play (TM).
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I do kind of agree with this.
Crayola227 said:
Last game I had to decide if Shorty was village, or just picking on noobs as low hanging wolfbait misyeet fruit. And seems i will need to again this game.
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This feels like deliberate misinterpretation of my post that she was quoting, given that I was agreeing with someone on how mkg might think bussing is a more common D1 strategy than it really is based on just reading the basics game and saying that I was reading her neutral. I've also been saying that I'm reading Lainey village based on her previous play. It feels like Cray is trying to start building a "shorty hates noobs" case that's based on shaky logic, and it's weird coming from her.
Crayola227 said:
This almost feels like a legit point.
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This was in response to Lainey making a really big stretch about the Doggo/Barks D1 joke voting for each other pattern and I don't believe that she actually felt like this was almost legit.
Crayola227 said:
I want to highlight this because I like it. I don't feel like wolves do a great job of calling out something like this, stands out as village. WiFOM possible of course.
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This jumped out at me because while Barks had made a decent point, it wasn't something super mindblowing and I've seen wolves draw attention to similar things. Just another slightly odd thing.

Cray, did you have any interactions with Enigma overnight?
 
Crayola227 said:
Wondering if you really mean this, or if you or Shorty are hunting for her mason partner.
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No cray, how the heck would it make sense for shorty's read on you to change from village if she thought you were her mason partner?
 
TelemarketingEnigma said:
This is valid, but it was also a tie earlier in the day with a lot of votes on both sides at that time. I’m curious why you didn’t opt to self prez then
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Because there were still a lot of people who either hadn't voted or hadn't been on in a while to update their votes. There was a lot of time left for the tie to change and I didn't feel like self prez would have been a useful tool so early on.
(I realize TE is gone just answering in case anyone else is curious)
 
supershorty said:
I went back and ISOed Cray after night results were posted and found a few things that pinged me that I want to leave here. I'm revising my read of Cray down from village to neutral for now, and I want to see how she responds to this. I feel like normally by D2, village!cray has at least half the players in the game in her POE, and she really isn't coming across as the PGO/armed standoff Cray that I'm used to villaging with. Was just an uneasy feeling before, but now it's a little stronger.
At first read, this struck me as typical village!cray, but it was odd that she "forgot" to include the possibility of v/v interaction.

This was in response to Pippy's GIANT post of one line feelings about specific posts. I'm not sure how applicable "pretty good analysis" was to that.


I'm not putting a ton of stock in interactions with Pippy because that whole situation was so weird and heated, but this gave me minor pings.

I haven't seen Cray post a list of reads like this before without explanations, but I could buy the explanation that it was in case Pippy could actually kill her on her way out. But I haven't seen it before, so I'm making a note of it.

I do kind of agree with this.

This feels like deliberate misinterpretation of my post that she was quoting, given that I was agreeing with someone on how mkg might think bussing is a more common D1 strategy than it really is based on just reading the basics game and saying that I was reading her neutral. I've also been saying that I'm reading Lainey village based on her previous play. It feels like Cray is trying to start building a "shorty hates noobs" case that's based on shaky logic, and it's weird coming from her.

This was in response to Lainey making a really big stretch about the Doggo/Barks D1 joke voting for each other pattern and I don't believe that she actually felt like this was almost legit.

This jumped out at me because while Barks had made a decent point, it wasn't something super mindblowing and I've seen wolves draw attention to similar things. Just another slightly odd thing.

Cray, did you have any interactions with Enigma overnight?
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What is going to piss me off, is to keep bringing up that post I called out for appearing as w/w or some kind of w/v. OF FREAKING COURSE. I wasn't calling out that post because it reeked as village/village. That was why I didn't think to put that interpretation down - it was never my concern *for that post.* When AM asked me why I wasn't voting for either shorty or the other one, since I thought one was a wolf going off that post, just because I point out what could be wrong with a post (and not often pointing out what could be right) doesn't mean that's the end all of where I lean in total on another player.

I will get to the rest of your questions, but you guys need to come off the fact I didn't list every single possible affiliation combination for a post, saying well gee it could be two villagers when I specifically was stating what could be wolfy about it.

I guess all those times I called Pippy out for BS I should have put in small print (could be a villager?) JFC.
 
Crayola227 said:
What is going to piss me off, is to keep bringing up that post I called out for appearing as w/w or some kind of w/v. OF FREAKING COURSE. I wasn't calling out that post because it reeked as village/village. That was why I didn't think to put that interpretation down - it was never my concern *for that post.* When AM asked me why I wasn't voting for either shorty or the other one, since I thought one was a wolf going off that post, just because I point out what could be wrong with a post (and not often pointing out what could be right) doesn't mean that's the end all of where I lean in total on another player.

I will get to the rest of your questions, but you guys need to come off the fact I didn't list every single possible affiliation combination for a post, saying well gee it could be two villagers when I specifically was stating what could be wolfy about it.

I guess all those times I called Pippy out for BS I should have put in small print (could be a villager?) JFC.
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Big reaction. Kind of interesting to me that you're getting this heated about mentions of your earlier posts when one of the ways that you analyze is by going back to the beginning of a thread and rereading and pulling quotes that stand out to you, even when they've been clarified later on.

Did you have any interactions with Enigma last night?
 
supershorty said:
I went back and ISOed Cray after night results were posted and found a few things that pinged me that I want to leave here. I'm revising my read of Cray down from village to neutral for now, and I want to see how she responds to this. I feel like normally by D2, village!cray has at least half the players in the game in her POE, and she really isn't coming across as the PGO/armed standoff Cray that I'm used to villaging with. Was just an uneasy feeling before, but now it's a little stronger.
At first read, this struck me as typical village!cray, but it was odd that she "forgot" to include the possibility of v/v interaction.

This was in response to Pippy's GIANT post of one line feelings about specific posts. I'm not sure how applicable "pretty good analysis" was to that.


I'm not putting a ton of stock in interactions with Pippy because that whole situation was so weird and heated, but this gave me minor pings.

I haven't seen Cray post a list of reads like this before without explanations, but I could buy the explanation that it was in case Pippy could actually kill her on her way out. But I haven't seen it before, so I'm making a note of it.

I do kind of agree with this.

This feels like deliberate misinterpretation of my post that she was quoting, given that I was agreeing with someone on how mkg might think bussing is a more common D1 strategy than it really is based on just reading the basics game and saying that I was reading her neutral. I've also been saying that I'm reading Lainey village based on her previous play. It feels like Cray is trying to start building a "shorty hates noobs" case that's based on shaky logic, and it's weird coming from her.

This was in response to Lainey making a really big stretch about the Doggo/Barks D1 joke voting for each other pattern and I don't believe that she actually felt like this was almost legit.

This jumped out at me because while Barks had made a decent point, it wasn't something super mindblowing and I've seen wolves draw attention to similar things. Just another slightly odd thing.

Cray, did you have any interactions with Enigma overnight?
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Hunting for the other mason?

You're starting to feel a little off to me.

I made that list D1 at like 6:30 pm, I was trying to make sure I left something in case Pip was telling the truth. And I completely believe if Pip had had the choice to kill she would have killed me.

I'll spare you how most of Pip's observations except where she was shading me (keep in mind she originally read me neutral, as she said herself she didn't want to get into it with me and I get her yeeted, but as I pushed her you can see that stance change) I had observed myself and agreed with her, she did a better job articulating. It's not terribly surprising.
 
Please answer the question, Cray.

Did you interact with TME last night? Yes or no?
I have reason to believe you did, and TME is now dead. There are multiple explanations for this, but you're being very evasive of the question entirely and it feels really off.
 
Shorty if you are village I think you need to give up this particular line of questioning. I think you are telegraphing a great deal right now and if Dubz is village I can't believe she hasn't stepped in to tell you to quit it.
 
Crayola227 said:
Shorty if you are village I think you need to give up this particular line of questioning. I think you are telegraphing a great deal right now and if Dubz is village I can't believe she hasn't stepped in to tell you to quit it.
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I mean, unless wolves are blind it no longer mattered as soon as she said you interacted with TE, given you'd already said you were watched.
 
Crayola227 said:
I was watched last night. Doing nothing except that which innocent goats do at night, like being adorbs.
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I don't know why you felt it was necessary to add this second sentence, it was sketchy. And also not correct. Pinged me big time. Which is why I pressed so much for the answer to my yes/no question - I wanted to see if you'd be honest.
 
That was why TME was listed in my reads as village. That was partly why I kept my reads brief, so I could put her down as village in case I flipped she could point to that as a breadcrumb, but without it standing out and I couldn't say a whole lot about her because she hadn't posted a lot. I went and put a hmmm react on her post and was going to do more as breadcrumbs for her to say I left for the thread if I died, since I usually only do likes and rarely reacts, and her posts weren't garnering lot of strong reactions, so I thought it might be a believable claim for her if she needed it. I worried with her being quiet that she would get more yeet attention and I worried about Pip at first killing me and then a NK which didn't come for me.
 
Crayola227 said:
There was a more subtle way to try to question me on this without freaking giving up two PRs to the wolves, unless you just don't care about that.
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Also, you being a mason is not the only possibility here.

You could be a wolf and be the one who killed TME.

The fact that you're now freaking out and revealing all your supposed masonry in your last post actually makes me lean more toward you're overdoing this and it's an act.
 
Crayola227 said:
That was why TME was listed in my reads as village. That was partly why I kept my reads brief, so I could put her down as village in case I flipped she could point to that as a breadcrumb, but without it standing out and I couldn't say a whole lot about her because she hadn't posted a lot. I went and put a hmmm react on her post and was going to do more as breadcrumbs for her to say I left for the thread if I died, since I usually only do likes and rarely reacts, and her posts weren't garnering lot of strong reactions, so I thought it might be a believable claim for her if she needed it. I worried with her being quiet that she would get more yeet attention and I worried about Pip at first killing me and then a NK which didn't come for me.
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This feels really super desperate to me, and not like a good strategy if you're really the other mason. This is giving me hard wolf vibes. It's too "omg now we're screwed forever," when I would think that this is the LAST thing you'd want to reveal if you truly were a mason. At least not in this much detail.

Not getting good vibes from this at all.
 
supershorty said:
Also, you being a mason is not the only possibility here.

You could be a wolf and be the one who killed TME.

The fact that you're now freaking out and revealing all your supposed masonry in your last post actually makes me lean more toward you're overdoing this and it's an act.
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Of course, because there's no way the real mason is going to come forward and reveal my lie today which is an automatic yeet for me.

It's OK, you're a noob and didn't think this all the way through.
 
I have nothing to lose now, except eventual NK. I have nothing to lose because no one is going to claim to be TME's mason. And if someone fake claims, you yeet me, see me flip mason, then yeet them for fake claiming.

Think it through.
 
And it won't matter now, village will have to yeet both of us even if the wolves don't NK us for our roles, because they will suspect we are wolves if we say we are that and don't die.
 
Crayola227 said:
As soon as you said what you said in response to what I said, you told the wolves.
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As soon as you lied in part of your post, you made yourself sketch. You didn't have to include that second sentence at all, and yet you felt it necessary to throw in that you were doing nothing and totally innocent.

I don't think I'm buying this end of the world fatalistic attitude as being village!Cray. It feels to me like wolf!Cray trying to seem village!Cray.
 
supershorty said:
I'm not expecting anyone to claim to be TME's mason. I wasn't expecting you to either, and I'm not sure that I believe you anyway right now. You're definitely not acting like village!Cray though.
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How could you possibly think that if I fake claimed mason someone her real mason wouldn't come forward? It wouldn't matter of they got NK, that would lead to yeeting a lair and LAL lynch all liars, guaranteed baddie.
 
supershorty said:
As soon as you lied in part of your post, you made yourself sketch. You didn't have to include that second sentence at all, and yet you felt it necessary to throw in that you were doing nothing and totally innocent.

I don't think I'm buying this end of the world fatalistic attitude as being village!Cray. It feels to me like wolf!Cray trying to seem village!Cray.
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You are being unbelievably dense right now, truly. Like, unable to understand the logic of this role claim.

And stop telling me what Village or Wolf Cray is like. You have no freaking idea child.
 
That sentence about me being innocent and adorbs was intended for the watcher, which I thought was you, but maybe not. I don't know what your notification was, but abso-freaking-lutely I was willing to say I was doing nothing nefarious. I was trying to tip off that yes, I was watched but have nothing to fear.

You'll see when I flip.
 
Crayola227 said:
That sentence about me being innocent and adorbs was intended for the watcher, which I thought was you, but maybe not. I don't know what your notification was, but abso-freaking-lutely I was willing to say I was doing nothing nefarious. I was trying to tip off that yes, I was watched but have nothing to fear.
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Crayola227 said:
You are being unbelievably dumb right now, truly. Like, unable to understand the logic of this role claim.

And stop telling me what Village or Wolf Cray is like. You have no freaking idea child.
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So someone who believes in lynch all liars ... lied ... and now is angry/upset at being called out on it, and the response to that, rather than providing an explanation that makes sense, is to be like "you're being unbelievably dumb"

Idk, I'm just not really convinced. Not buying it. This seems too over the top and forced.

I'll be curious to see what others think.
 
Crayola227 said:
I was trying to tip off that yes, I was watched but have nothing to fear.
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Or trying to steer the narrative because you didn't think anyone would call you out on such a small detail in a sentence.

Could be either thing.
 
I give up.

I'm being defensive, because there's more and I'm honestly stressed about dying with too much info. It's the crime I usually commit.

I tried to leave clues, but we were *uncovertible* masons, said so in our PMs.

Which I noted to TME meant that probably means conversion is possible this game.

I used Pippy's JOAT thing to try to leave a breadcrumb about the write ups leaving important info about abilities, I saw that TME's flip didn't mention the unconvertible part.

That was also the reason for using Zenge's post as a follow-up way to at least mention conversion.

I hoped if I died later someone might see it and realize it was weird and maybe consider conversion later, because I think it will need to be done.

But since everyone wanted to have a big mouth this am, I have to be sure this gets to the thread before I also die. As long as both TME and I were alive we could sit on it. With her dead and me outed as the mason partner, it could die with me tonight at yeet or overnight.

But sure, go ahead and think I made all this up. Awfully convoluted and I put breadcrumbs out there.

No one has EVER seen me wolf like that ever, not with a fake claim that easy to disprove.
 
supershorty said:
So someone who believes in lynch all liars ... lied ... and now is angry/upset at being called out on it, and the response to that, rather than providing an explanation that makes sense, is to be like "you're being unbelievably dumb"

Idk, I'm just not really convinced. Not buying it. This seems too over the top and forced.

I'll be curious to see what others think.
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I didn't ****ing lie, what do you think a secret mason is gonna say they did all night?

"Ugh, yeah, so I was PM'ing my mason partner.... oh wait, can't say that... guess I can't characterise that as I did nothing but what innocent goats do."
 
Crayola227 said:
I didn't ****ing lie, what do you think a secret mason is gonna say they did all night?

"Ugh, yeah, so I was PM'ing my mason partner.... oh wait, can't say that... guess I can't characterise that as I did nothing but what innocent goats do."
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You didn’t need to say anything at all. You could have just said you were watched last night. Or said nothing. And yet, you felt it necessary to preemptively be like “I wasn’t doing anything, of course!”
 
Crayola227 said:
With TME's flip more worried about April.

Just looked at your wolf list, mine is the same, but with an addition of mayo (not sure if you had him there).

I need to go to sleep ASAP.
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Because an hour ago I needed to go to sleep, but I could tell that you were going to assume the worst and I'd wake up to a yeet.

Well guys I was trying to stay in it.
 
supershorty said:
You didn’t need to say anything at all. You could have just said you were watched last night. Or said nothing. And yet, you felt it necessary to preemptively be like “I wasn’t doing anything, of course!”
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Why wouldn't I say that? Because I wasn't worried anyone saw me do something bad. And I was committing to that on thread.
 
Crayola227 said:
Why wouldn't I say that? Because I wasn't worried anyone saw me do something bad. And I was committing to that on thread.
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That’s one way to interpret it. But not the only way. Very curious to see what others think of this whole exchange.
 
You're a wolf or you don't want to admit you screwed up which is why you keep pushing this in the face of all logic.

If Dubz and AM aren't wolves, or maybe someone else, will be able to come on and say if someone else wants to claim TME's mason and show me up for being TME's killer, now's the time. But my claim is real so I'm not worried. And if a wolf wants to tell that lie to get me yeeted, they should.

I revealed why I got reactive. If it weren't for the secret unconvertability and the fact village needs to know conversion is a thing, I wouldn't have been so pissed you painted a target on my back and yours for the wolves. Assuming you're not a wolf.
 
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