GGoats!! - An aMAAAAAHzing WW thread

[Zenge142]

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It feels like an over-explainy possible wolf-y mistake.

If you want to come up with a theory on why you think Enigma died, I am ALL ears.

Did it surprise you that Enigma died? Why or why not?

 

[WildZoo]

I see what you're saying, and its possible, but I gave him sus points for that. And your last sentence was another of my points. Even if he's sincere about TME being part of an elaborate plan to sus an already sus april, wtf does that have to do with me?

I read those as separate thoughts

 

[Barkley13]

I’m flipping her from leaving wolf to leaning village

This feels like a big jump based on someone just catching up and replying to things

 

[Barkley13]

This feels like a big jump based on someone just catching up and replying to things

Like is there something she said specifically that made you switch from leaning her wolfy to village?

 

[LaineyLou]

So you would have wanted me to, what, pick a side? Why?

No not at all! I’m just saying you’re neutral! I’d probs lean village if I had to choose for you

 

[LaineyLou]

I’m getting wolfy vibes from samac rn. They’re statement about Mayo seeming normal and then their wolf to village jump seems very suspicious!

 

[Animal Midwife]

I do find it interesting you stayed on mayo. I think he’s always been one to throw a few jokes out. Seems weak, especially when you were on the chopping block.

I thought all but one of mayo's votes were serious.

This point right here seems like village mayo to me.

Anyone can talk about wagonomics. Are there specific mayo posts you're village reading outside of this one?

I quoted the vote because it was sketchy as hell to move last minute like that to someone with no votes. It could be in an effort to be off the bandwagon later.
But the little I’ve played with AM and what I’ve toted i can buy that explanation. She definitely thinks she is the universe’s gift to village. She’s between neutral and wolf leans for me right now. I’m sure she’ll give me plenty more content over the next 6 pages.

You literally voted Enigma over Pippy, who had had no votes.

 

[LaineyLou]

I thought all but one of mayo's votes were serious.

Anyone can talk about wagonomics. Are there specific mayo posts you're village reading outside of this one?

You literally voted Enigma over Pippy, who had had no votes.

I totally agree! I think this is all super suspicious

 

[sunshinefl]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but this is literally what you said.

You must be.

I read those as separate thoughts

It read more like a conclusion paragraph given the formatting and all, followed by an otherwise naked vote on me right after.

 

[holdthemayo]

I'm also wondering why AM and I are the only ones getting questioned on this when we're also the only ones who died n1 last game. Like everyone else is also free to take one for the team, as it were.

So you would have wanted me to, what, pick a side? Why?

I think this is a bit disingenuous. April and Alyssa have been called out for their votes too. Samac seems to be getting a pass for being on call and missing what went down.

Everyone else was on one of the two main wagons. Who else should be getting called out?

You both read Pippy as non-village. AM came out and said she was a wolf.

I get your reasoning. I think AM's is worse given how close we were to a tie.

I'm also confident both of you would be calling me out if the roles were reversed.

 

[samac]

Why?

I’ve played with wolf mayo and village mayo. as wolf mayo I don’t remember him drawing much attention to wolf counts and how many would need to control a wagon. It felt village to me.

If you want to come up with a theory on why you think Enigma died, I am ALL ears.

Did it surprise you that Enigma died? Why or why not?

I was surprised. I’m not sure why wolves would target a low poster who slid in the last minute, it makes no sense to me. But there was a lot of mental gymnastics you were doing to get to wolves trying to throw suspicion on someone who’s already suspicious

Like is there something she said specifically that made you switch from leaning her wolfy to village?

I like her points on Z. My only real reason that I thought she was wolf lean is because I thought she was trying to fly under the radar as a wolf, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I sympathize with her having a busy day yesterday as I’m in the same boat.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I haven't searched their interactions and I know Barks voted April, but we also saw last game that doesn't mean anything. I haven't really started to see packs yet those are independent reads.

It does mean something. The only time it should be discounted is if known heavy bussers are in play. I'd say that includes April, but I don't believe Barks has ever deepwolfed to that caliber.

okay so what do you want people to do exactly when they become available? Just skip 8 pages and jump in or what?

How do you feel about alissa?

 

[supershorty]

I think this is a bit disingenuous. April and Alyssa have been called out for their votes too. Samac seems to be getting a pass for being on call and missing what went down.

Everyone else was on one of the two main wagons. Who else should be getting called out?

You both read Pippy as non-village. AM came out and said she was a wolf.

I get your reasoning. I think AM's is worse given how close we were to a tie.

I'm also confident both of you would be calling me out if the roles were reversed.

That second Dubz quote was responding to Lainey saying she was hedging/defending me when Dubz told Cray that calling me unbelievably dumb wasn’t necessary.

Carry on, but wanted to clarify that it’s not talking about the same thing as the first quote.

 

[sunshinefl]

okay my current brain dilemma:

If wolves know pippy isn't one of them, they might believe the bomb role claim, and so I could see them wanting to move off the vote to self-protect from the shrapnel
But villagers who believe the claim would also move off

I don't think those staying on the vote "feeling trapped" are then guaranteed to be wolves as has been seemingly implied - more likely villagers trying not to get tricked by the (possibly false) role reveal

TME's comments. Later, AM jumped off Pippy. And WZ avoided ever going there. And then TME was NK'ed

 

[holdthemayo]

That second Dubz quote was responding to Lainey saying she was hedging/defending me when Dubz told Cray that calling me unbelievably dumb wasn’t necessary.

Carry on, but wanted to clarify that it’s not talking about the same thing as the first quote.

Good catch. The point still stands.

 

[samac]

I thought all but one of mayo's votes were serious.

Anyone can talk about wagonomics. Are there specific mayo posts you're village reading outside of this one?

You literally voted Enigma over Pippy, who had had no votes.

I’ll go through and do an in depth iso on Mayo but I’ve found myself nodding along with most of his posts. I’m following his logic and I have him as a strong village lean despite others thinking he’s wolfy.

I voted enigma when she hadn’t really spoken. My usual early strategy is to vote someone who hasn’t contributed much. That way if they’re a wolf trying to fly under the radar I’m sitting on a wolf. If I was around during yeet close I would have been sitting differently, but I realize that’s just me blowing hot air because I have nothing to back it up. Unfortunately I was slammed last night and didn’t realize all the waffling that happened until much later.

 

[sunshinefl]

It does mean something. The only time it should be discounted is if known heavy bussers are in play. I'd say that includes April, but I don't believe Barks has ever deepwolfed to that caliber.

well April isn't above it and Barks Ive never seen wolf.

How do you feel about alissa?

neutral/TBD; didn't vote, not explaining self

 

[Animal Midwife]

I can’t fault sunshine for being in the exact same boat I was in yesterday of being too busy. I know I very recently made a post saying I wanted to hear more from her and she’s done that. I’m flipping her from leaving wolf to leaning village and I’m finding myself also sus of Z. I’ve not played with him before but I find it weird that he has this elaborate reasoning for the TE vote. It feels like an over-explainy possible wolf-y mistake.

He didn't vote for Enigma though. What mistake? Also, similar to what I said yesterday, low activity =/= village.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think this is a bit disingenuous. April and Alyssa have been called out for their votes too. Samac seems to be getting a pass for being on call and missing what went down.

Everyone else was on one of the two main wagons. Who else should be getting called out?

You both read Pippy as non-village. AM came out and said she was a wolf.

I get your reasoning. I think AM's is worse given how close we were to a tie.

I'm also confident both of you would be calling me out if the roles were reversed.

It was nowhere remotely close to a tie when I got off. I wouldn't have moved if it would have caused one.

 

[holdthemayo]

It was nowhere remotely close to a tie when I got off. I wouldn't have moved if it would have caused one.

We spent several minutes last night under the assumption that you had helped cause a tie...

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’ve played with wolf mayo and village mayo. as wolf mayo I don’t remember him drawing much attention to wolf counts and how many would need to control a wagon. It felt village to me.

Okay, but note that was a noob game and I think he'd be fully capable of ramping things up for a standard game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’ll go through and do an in depth iso on Mayo but I’ve found myself nodding along with most of his posts. I’m following his logic and I have him as a strong village lean despite others thinking he’s wolfy.

I voted enigma when she hadn’t really spoken. My usual early strategy is to vote someone who hasn’t contributed much. That way if they’re a wolf trying to fly under the radar I’m sitting on a wolf. If I was around during yeet close I would have been sitting differently, but I realize that’s just me blowing hot air because I have nothing to back it up. Unfortunately I was slammed last night and didn’t realize all the waffling that happened until much later.

alissa also hadn't really spoken at the time. Either both our reasons are antivillage or there's a false dichotomy at play.

 

[samac]

He didn't vote for Enigma though. What mistake? Also, similar to what I said yesterday, low activity =/= village.

Sorry, I might not have been super clear there. Not the vote being the wolf mistake, but the mental gymnastics he posted trying to point killing TE toward wolves trying to yeet april. Felt like an over explanation that I could see a noob wolf doing.

 

[WildZoo]

I think this is a bit disingenuous. April and Alyssa have been called out for their votes too. Samac seems to be getting a pass for being on call and missing what went down.

Everyone else was on one of the two main wagons. Who else should be getting called out?

You both read Pippy as non-village. AM came out and said she was a wolf.

I get your reasoning. I think AM's is worse given how close we were to a tie.

I'm also confident both of you would be calling me out if the roles were reversed.

Your confidence is misplaced in my case then. I don't care about people voting off wagon d1 if they have reason for it.

What I was talking about was why people who were on April aren't getting questioned for not voting for pippy, at least not that I've seen, since that was apparently the anti-village move.

 

[samac]

alissa also hadn't really spoken at the time. Either both our reasons are antivillage or there's a false dichotomy at play.

Alissa would have also been a fine choice to throw the vote on last night. I just picked one, there wasn’t something that made me pick one over the other.

 

[Animal Midwife]

well April isn't above it and Barks Ive never seen wolf.

You have seen Barks wolf, actually.

neutral/TBD; didn't vote, not explaining self

Okay, was just wondering since you didn't seem to like dubz's content comment on her.

 

[WildZoo]

if they have reason for it.

Caveat that I might care more if one or more of the d1 wagons turns out to be a wolf, but pippy doesn't count in this case

 

[supershorty]

Sorry, I might not have been super clear there. Not the vote being the wolf mistake, but the mental gymnastics he posted trying to point killing TE toward wolves trying to yeet april. Felt like an over explanation that I could see a noob wolf doing.

I'm not really following your reasoning here. It seemed like as much of a plausible explanation as "wolves RNGed and got lucky." But I've also played with him before, know his posting style, and know how he thinks/processes things because of IRL life.

 

[holdthemayo]

A few updates:

Samac - Seems to be playing like her village self as she is catching up. I didn't have a problem with the initial salt vote. and am kindof sus of people still pretending not to get it. The TE vote looks bad in retrospect, but I doubt she would have wolf killed TE after being the only person voting for her. Overall leaning village based on content today.

Sunshine - Still having a hard time reading her. I get why she is frustrated, but it makes it hard to get a read. The early wagon seems more based on her activity than her content.

Shorty/Cray - Had both as village. Hasn't changed

AM/WZ - I've moved them both back to neutral. Maybe leaning wolf on WZ.

Dina - Had as a wolf read yesterday, but feels more village/wolf hunting today

Laney - Her reads don't make the most sense to me, but I'm not ready to yeet over it.

mkg323, Alissa - want to hear more

Barks/Doggo - I need to iso both because I have a hard time remembering who is who

 

[Animal Midwife]

We spent several minutes last night under the assumption that you had helped cause a tie...

Yes, because none of y'all bothered to actually tell the mods it wasn't a tie. Watch those timestamps.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Alissa would have also been a fine choice to throw the vote on last night. I just picked one, there wasn’t something that made me pick one over the other.

Alright, just pointing out that my vote was without merit or a "throwaway".

 

[sunshinefl]

You have seen Barks wolf, actually.

that's right and she murdered me as a villager NK

Okay, was just wondering since you didn't seem to like dubz's content comment on her.

I don't recall a post by WZ on alissa so not sure how you perceived such strong feelings from me.

 

[holdthemayo]

What I was talking about was why people who were on April aren't getting questioned for not voting for pippy, at least not that I've seen, since that was apparently the anti-village move.

It was only anti-village if you read her as non-village and didn't vote there. In AM's case it was her strongest wolf read. You said Pippy was your strongest non-village read.

Presumably those on April had her as a stronger wolf read.

 

[sunshinefl]

Yes, because none of y'all bothered to actually tell the mods it wasn't a tie. Watch those timestamps.

lol who is y'all? cause you could have done it too. Not sure why 3rd person

 

[Zenge142]

I was surprised. I’m not sure why wolves would target a low poster who slid in the last minute, it makes no sense to me. But there was a lot of mental gymnastics you were doing to get to wolves trying to throw suspicion on someone who’s already suspicious

I too, am unsure why Enigma was killed.

Instead of attacking me for my theory, attempting to understand and explain an unexpected turn in the game state, why don’t you come up with theory of your own. Again, I’m all ears.

Simply saying that it makes no sense to you, isn’t really helpful. Why don’t you try making sense of it, and see what possible theories and explanations you can come up with.

Also, instead of attacking me for my theory, why don’t you try analyzing the theory on its own, and come up with reasons why you do, or don’t agree with it? Simply saying it’s overexplainy is a cop out. Either break down why specifically my theory doesn’t have merit because X,Y, and Z, OR, admit that while you don’t necessarily agree with it, it is a possible explanation for what happened. And again, by all means, you’re welcome to postulate your own theory on the matter.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't recall a post by WZ on alissa so not sure how you perceived such strong feelings from me.

She talked about alissa's catchup posts looking disingenuous and you questioned how people should catchup the right way.

 

[holdthemayo]

Yes, because none of y'all bothered to actually tell the mods it wasn't a tie. Watch those timestamps.

If it was close enough that the mods missed the timestamp, then we were close to a tie.

 

[Animal Midwife]

It was only anti-village if you read her as non-village and didn't vote there. In AM's case it was her strongest wolf read. You said Pippy was your strongest non-village read.

Presumably those on April had her as a stronger wolf read.

I don't vote my strongest wolf read and die over it unless I have considerable reason to believe the vengeful ability is 100% false.

 

[Animal Midwife]

lol who is y'all? cause you could have done it too. Not sure why 3rd person

I literally did. Why else do you think the decision got reversed?

 

[WildZoo]

It was only anti-village if you read her as non-village and didn't vote there. In AM's case it was her strongest wolf read. You said Pippy was your strongest non-village read.

Presumably those on April had her as a stronger wolf read.

Well, I've explained my decision as much as I can on this point. I think assuming that everyone on April had her as a stronger non-village read than pip and weren't also trying to preserve themselves is naive. Like I said, TE said the exact same thing I did about staying off pip. Just like not everyone who stayed off my vote in Apocalypse was a wolf.

 

[Animal Midwife]

If it was close enough that the mods missed the timestamp, then we were close to a tie.

That doesn't say anything about tie status. It only means the thread was bloated with activity making it harder to scrutinize each vote.

 

[Barkley13]

Barks/Doggo - I need to iso both because I have a hard time remembering who is who

I have like 4x the amount of posts as her but okay

 

[holdthemayo]

I too, am unsure why Enigma was killed.

Instead of attacking me for my theory, attempting to understand and explain an unexpected turn in the game state, why don’t you come up with theory of your own. Again, I’m all ears.

Simply saying that it makes no sense to you, isn’t really helpful. Why don’t you try making sense of it, and see what possible theories and explanations you can come up with.

Also, instead of attacking me for my theory, why don’t you try analyzing the theory on its own, and come up with reasons why you do, or don’t agree with it? Simply saying it’s overexplainy is a cop out. Either break down why specifically my theory doesn’t have merit because X,Y, and Z, OR, admit that while you don’t necessarily agree with it, it is a possible explanation for what happened. And again, by all means, you’re welcome to postulate your own theory on the matter.

Honestly, does it matter? The wolves could have killed TE for any number of reasons - including to try to confuse us. Or completely at random.

 

[Zenge142]

Honestly, does it matter? The wolves could have killed TE for any number of reasons - including to try to confuse us. Or completely at random.

Correct me if I’m wrong but you’re arguing that players shouldn’t use night kills to analyze the game state, and that wolves are killing people without any thought or strategy?

 

[Barkley13]

A few updates:

Samac - Seems to be playing like her village self as she is catching up. I didn't have a problem with the initial salt vote. and am kindof sus of people still pretending not to get it. The TE vote looks bad in retrospect, but I doubt she would have wolf killed TE after being the only person voting for her. Overall leaning village based on content today.

Sunshine - Still having a hard time reading her. I get why she is frustrated, but it makes it hard to get a read. The early wagon seems more based on her activity than her content.

Shorty/Cray - Had both as village. Hasn't changed

AM/WZ - I've moved them both back to neutral. Maybe leaning wolf on WZ.

Dina - Had as a wolf read yesterday, but feels more village/wolf hunting today

Laney - Her reads don't make the most sense to me, but I'm not ready to yeet over it.

mkg323, Alissa - want to hear more

Barks/Doggo - I need to iso both because I have a hard time remembering who is who

So from this I’m getting that your wolf suspects = maybe dubz

 

[WildZoo]

So from this I’m getting that your wolf suspects = maybe dubz

Despite saying that he liked my explanation for not voting for pip better than AM's, which is interesting.

 

[sunshinefl]

Spoiler: current reads

Spoiler: abridged yeet progression

Spoiler: other random game notes

 

[sunshinefl]

I too, am unsure why Enigma was killed.

Instead of attacking me for my theory, attempting to understand and explain an unexpected turn in the game state, why don’t you come up with theory of your own. Again, I’m all ears.

Simply saying that it makes no sense to you, isn’t really helpful. Why don’t you try making sense of it, and see what possible theories and explanations you can come up with.

Also, instead of attacking me for my theory, why don’t you try analyzing the theory on its own, and come up with reasons why you do, or don’t agree with it? Simply saying it’s overexplainy is a cop out. Either break down why specifically my theory doesn’t have merit because X,Y, and Z, OR, admit that while you don’t necessarily agree with it, it is a possible explanation for what happened. And again, by all means, you’re welcome to postulate your own theory on the matter.

Z we can 100% judge your over explaining complicated theory (that doesn't make sense) while also not knowing why. Because ultimately affiliation is what matters.

She talked about alissa's catchup posts looking disingenuous and you questioned how people should catchup the right way.

oh I wasn't defending alissa, I just do the same thing is why I asked.

Honestly, does it matter? The wolves could have killed TE for any number of reasons - including to try to confuse us. Or completely at random.

Exactly.

 

[Animal Midwife]

"weirdly absent during night action dump"

Even if you ignore the exact time it took place, you should know me better than that by now. Outside all that though, I still don't understand how those are the only things you've noticed about my play.

 

[Zenge142]

that doesn't make sense

By all means, please elaborate.