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GUYS I feel like im really on to something here. While re-reading and trying to figure out affiliations I saw this post and it got me thinking.... All along Ive thought April seemed very village, however I know some people had their doubts and thought they were wolfy. After seeing mayo flip I think there was definitely some wolves that pushed really hard to yeet them and save themselves/take the attention off anyone else. This post is very subjective! Therefore april didnt need to quote things or find exact evidence it was just in her opinion. Therefore that gave her a chance to throw someone under the bus without much solid explanation/ evidence or quotes. I think a logical wolf would have made a subjective statement like this and they could continue on with everyone on the mayo wagon.
Aprilthearab said:
I wasn't interpreting Mayo's posts as jokey, which pinged me because usually it's pretty obvious he's joking when he is. So my impression of that is either he wasn't joking but then got called out and decided to say he was joking to cover his butt, or he was really joking but wasn't doing it well. The village!Mayo I'm familiar with is quite obviously jokey, and the wolfy!Mayo I experienced in the noob game was not.
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I hope that makes sense. Its just a wild theory that came to me
 
LaineyLou said:
GUYS I feel like im really on to something here. While re-reading and trying to figure out affiliations I saw this post and it got me thinking.... All along Ive thought April seemed very village, however I know some people had their doubts and thought they were wolfy. After seeing mayo flip I think there was definitely some wolves that pushed really hard to yeet them and save themselves/take the attention off anyone else. This post is very subjective! Therefore april didnt need to quote things or find exact evidence it was just in her opinion. Therefore that gave her a chance to throw someone under the bus without much solid explanation/ evidence or quotes. I think a logical wolf would have made a subjective statement like this and they could continue on with everyone on the mayo wagon.

I hope that makes sense. Its just a wild theory that came to me
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Are you agreeing that she's wolfy now?
 
Aprilthearab said:
Nothing about Zenge has crossed me as aggro so far. He's been asking questions and one or two times been a tad tinfoily, but not aggro. Feels like a wolfy stretch to keep the sus on a village


This seems super sketch and I could totally see April and zenge wolfing together. It would make sense that zenge is a wolf. He hopped on the Mayo bandwagon, this would easily hide him as a wolf or would direct attention elsewhere so people wouldn’t suspect him or his fellow wolves.

Does that make sense?
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Aprilthearab said:
I'm not asking for village points based on what Mayo flips, if he flips. We're talking about right now before yeet close, not what might happen afterwards, not what conditions apply then because for all I know I'll die tonight and my point will be proven when I flip. I'd like to know what makes me wolfier than mayo.
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This gave me wolfy vibes... like “oh yeah I def won’t get village points because I know how he’s gonna flip and it’s not gonna be in favor of the village”

Kinda just a slight slip of I know how he’s gonna flip.
 
Reads for the day! Sorry they come so late I am truly a night owl working the midnight shifts!


Starting off where I’m lease suspicious. Village leans:
-cray: I’ve said it before I’ll say it again... theyre playing very village, pushing people, asking good questions overall seems like her normal village self.
Sunshine->genny (hey genny!!!): don’t feel her blow up was a very wolfy thing to do I feel like they’d try to play it much more cool and I felt it was all genuine frustration. I agree with their concern about zenge and would be super suspicious of her if she wasn’t concerned with zenge
Mkg: nothing has struck me as odd or concerning I feel like they are really trying to catch onto the game. Again if they were a wolf I’d suspect them to have already put a foot in their mouth.
AM: seems normal to me. Always sassy and can have hostility. Asking decent questions and pushing people. Confident as ever, as usual.
Dubz: made one post 1612 so specific idk how she’d put that together as a wolf I feel it would be just a recipe for a slip up but idk maybe she’s just that good. Otherwise no concerning quotes. Seems to be asking questions and hunting. Seems very village

Wolfy
Zenge and April: I’m now getting g the feeling zenge and April are wolfing together. I posted a few quotes before this one so y’all can take a peek at those. I was concerned about zenges yeet and unyeet and back and forth right before yeet closed the other day. He yeeted Mayo and this would make sense if he were a wolf. He could easily hide in a bandwagon of Mayo votes and bring no attention to himself or his fellow packmates *cough cough april*. This is all just one theory that came to my mind tonight

Idek
Samac- village points for yeeting zenge. Stated “I think ones is likely a wolf I’m just not sure which” about sunny and zenge. Rather quickly switching of sunshine from wolf to village still seemed a touch odd so now I’m perplexed

Still trying to get better reads on barks, Dina and doggo but I’m struggling!!!
 
Night Three Writeup

The goats slept soundly last night, unaware that yet another of their number was quietly loaded up and taken away. She had been an odd looking creature, and quite rare in North America so no one was overly surprised when the animal rescuers targeted her first.

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Gone is @LaineyLou who was a Beetal, and a vanilla villager.

It is now D4, Yeet close at 11pm AST

Roster:
1. @Animal Midwife
3. @Zenge142
4. @Aprilthearab
6. @mkg323
7. @WildZoo
8. Sunshine --> @genny
10. @Doggo Labs
13. @Barkley13
14. @Dinashadow
23. @samac
?. @Crayola227

Removed from the farm:
@PippyPony - Mountain goat, Serial Killer JOAT
@TelemarketingEnigma - Sherlock, mason
@alissa14 - Valais Blackneck, vanilla
@supershorty - Kiko, odd night watcher
@holdthemayo - Angora, vanilla
@LaineyLou - Beetal, vanilla​
 
When I look at the roster I feel the odds that all of AM, WZ, genny, and Zenge are all village is pretty low.

Also with 11 players, if there are 4 baddies left (including conversion maybe), we have a problem. By my calc we get 2 more lynches before it's all over, assuming only 1 NK/night. If we're lucky 3.
 
Ah, the frustration of finally getting a village read on someone and having them die :lame:

I'd like to hear about the dina read too, @genny. She's in my neutrals still, I think my impression off the cuff was she's been a little echoey, but also has been quite active, so haven't been sure what to do with her yet.
 
WildZoo said:
Why is that?
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Statistics. The odds all the strongest most active are vets, village, AND only caught a 3P so far seems small.

This is where AM's boasting is a bit counterproductive. If she's so good we can't win without her, then when she's alive and we're not doing so great, you have to start wondering if she's wolf. This goes for the other players I said.
 
Crayola227 said:
Statistics. The odds all the strongest most active are vets, village, AND only caught a 3P so far seems small.

This is where AM's boasting is a bit counterproductive. If she's so good we can't win without her, then when she's alive and we're not doing so great, you have to start wondering if she's wolf. This goes for the other players I said.
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Well, zenge isn't a vet and genny just got here. I get where you're coming from in a way, similar to the thing we talked about in dead chat last game where if you have a string of misyeets after getting a wolf d1 you have to think about who you cleared in that vote, but I think it's a little different here since d1 was a 3p. We don't get the same kind of useful data with that, so we're still in the blank slate trying to get that first woof stage, which is always hard, and it isn't the same level of "woah why were we so good d1 and we suck now"
 
Animal Midwife said:
Can I ask what you're seeing in Dina, genny? She's pretty far up in my village reads.
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Dithering at the end of day 2.
But mostly feels while reading through. Hasn’t done anything to really come across as village to me. So I’m not sure why she would be a stronger village read for you.
 
Crayola227 said:
When I look at the roster I feel the odds that all of AM, WZ, genny, and Zenge are all village is pretty low.

Also with 11 players, if there are 4 baddies left (including conversion maybe), we have a problem. By my calc we get 2 more lynches before it's all over, assuming only 1 NK/night. If we're lucky 3.
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I'm really hoping there wasn't a total of 5 non-village here considering pip was a serial killer and that converts are at least twice as strong as originals. But maybe that's just desperation talking lol
 
LaineyLou said:
GUYS I feel like im really on to something here. While re-reading and trying to figure out affiliations I saw this post and it got me thinking.... All along Ive thought April seemed very village, however I know some people had their doubts and thought they were wolfy. After seeing mayo flip I think there was definitely some wolves that pushed really hard to yeet them and save themselves/take the attention off anyone else. This post is very subjective! Therefore april didnt need to quote things or find exact evidence it was just in her opinion. Therefore that gave her a chance to throw someone under the bus without much solid explanation/ evidence or quotes. I think a logical wolf would have made a subjective statement like this and they could continue on with everyone on the mayo wagon.

I hope that makes sense. Its just a wild theory that came to me
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So to clarify... You're wolf reading me because I didn't pull quotes to support my mayo read?

I can totally understand you sussing me because I pushed for mayo. Thing is, I wasn't the only person who pushed there. Villagers can be wrong, and often are, otherwise the game would be a landslide village win every time. But to say what makes the difference between myself and the others is because of one time where I made a subjective meta analysis and didn't pull quotes is a really weak argument. I had multiple other reasons to vote mayo that I detailed, and you cherry-picked the one that supported your case. The one quote you pulled wasn't even from the time when I was pushing mayo - I wasn't voting for him on Tuesday - it was just clarifying for samac.

The fact that AM didn't rip apart your argument and just nodded along like "Good, push the misyeet so I don't have to" is giving AM major sketch points.
 
Aprilthearab said:
So to clarify... You're wolf reading me because I didn't pull quotes to support my mayo read?

I can totally understand you sussing me because I pushed for mayo. Thing is, I wasn't the only person who pushed there. Villagers can be wrong, and often are, otherwise the game would be a landslide village win every time. But to say what makes the difference between myself and the others is because of one time where I made a subjective meta analysis and didn't pull quotes is a really weak argument. I had multiple other reasons to vote mayo that I detailed, and you cherry-picked the one that supported your case. The one quote you pulled wasn't even from the time when I was pushing mayo - I wasn't voting for him on Tuesday - it was just clarifying for samac.

The fact that AM didn't rip apart your argument and just nodded along like "Good, push the misyeet so I don't have to" is giving AM major sketch points.
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No need to argue with the dead nooblet 😛
 
SARdoghandler said:
Night Three Writeup

The goats slept soundly last night, unaware that yet another of their number was quietly loaded up and taken away. She had been an odd looking creature, and quite rare in North America so no one was overly surprised when the animal rescuers targeted her first.

fdfbac4fd373828994b4e67ad7de9a2c.jpg


Gone is @LaineyLou who was a Beetal, and a vanilla villager.

It is now D4, Yeet close at 11pm AST

Roster:
1. @Animal Midwife
3. @Zenge142
4. @Aprilthearab
6. @mkg323
7. @WildZoo
8. Sunshine --> @genny
10. @Doggo Labs
13. @Barkley13
14. @Dinashadow
23. @samac
?. @Crayola227

Removed from the farm:
@PippyPony - Mountain goat, Serial Killer JOAT
@TelemarketingEnigma - Sherlock, mason
@alissa14 - Valais Blackneck, vanilla
@supershorty - Kiko, odd night watcher
@holdthemayo - Angora, vanilla
@LaineyLou - Beetal, vanilla​
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Oh

Well I guess Lainey can't respond to me now
 
Zenge142 said:
I decided to ISO Samac’s posts. There’s only like 20 posts or so in total, so there’s not a lot of actual content to go through, but what is in those posts is an unhealthy amount of agreeing with, and white knighting for Mayo.

Pressing April on her Mayo vote:

Fighting with April on April’s Mayo vote:

Backing up Mayo and attacking AM and Dubz to be aligned with Mayo:

Continuing to attack AM and Dubz, parroting Mayo (Mayo was the only one to “like” react to this btw):



White Knighting for Mayo again:

And again:

How’s that ISO going?


This is a pretty ridiculous amount of white knighting someone who a lot of other people see as sketch, and Samac is just willfully blind to it, maybe intentionally.
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I'm wondering, now that Mayo's flipped, if Samac genuinely saw something in Mayo the rest of us didn't see or if she's a wolf who knew his affiliation and wanted that cred for when he flipped. Zenge's ISO of Samac makes me feel like they're not w/w.
 
Aprilthearab said:
she's a wolf who knew his affiliation and wanted that cred for when he flipped.
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Thats how I’m leaning. Also I sort of think Samac had pocketed sunshine.

After the Mayo flip though, I’ll be doing a lot of re-evaluating today.
 
Barkley13 said:
I also voted for april 2 of the 3 days so I'm a little confused
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It confuses me a little too, since April’s wagon was pretty sizeable. “Screaming into the void” sounds more like a only vote on a person statement, not a second biggest wagon statement. I didn’t think too much of it though.
 
Zenge142 said:
It confuses me a little too, since April’s wagon was pretty sizeable. “Screaming into the void” sounds more like a only vote on a person statement, not a second biggest wagon statement. I didn’t think too much of it though.
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Well that but also she's been voting for april for 3 days so I'm assuming that's her strongest wolf read but I've also been voting for her, so curious to hear her thoughts on if she thinks we're wolves together or if she's giving up on her april wolf read
 
Aprilthearab said:
I'm wondering, now that Mayo's flipped, if Samac genuinely saw something in Mayo the rest of us didn't see or if she's a wolf who knew his affiliation and wanted that cred for when he flipped. Zenge's ISO of Samac makes me feel like they're not w/w.
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what I saw in mayo was that he was making jokes, going after AM jokingly, and making weird lightbulb comments (which I guess was nothing....?).
I remember wolf mayo so well because the moment I realized he was wolf was right after I died in the noob game.
He was calculating and played 10 steps ahead. Wolf mayo is very different than village mayo.

I still don’t trust Zenge, he sketches me out to no end. I’m going to go deeper into him today.
Yeet Zenge
 
samac said:
To be fair classic village AM gave me even stronger wolf vibes in apocolypse for being so aggro and I tunneled her and was wrong. She just skeeves me out.She just reads as different from that game. She’s just on my radar at this point.
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I know AM was your initial D1 vote and you said here she skeeves you out. Do you feel any differently about her now?
 
Village:
Cray
Barks

Village Lean:
Dubz
mkg

Neutral:
AM
genny
samac
Dina

Wolf Lean:
Zenge

Wolf:
April
 
I have april as my top wolf read from D1 and the waffle D2. I did not feel Mayo/April was w/w but I wasn't sure who was who

Zenge has not been making a lot of sense to me. I feel he is normally a strong villager, but have not seen that this game

I put AM in my neutral pile because I feel like she is wolf hunting but something is off and I can't quite pinpoint it

Sunny/genny is in my neutral pile because I want to hear some from genny before I put her in my wolf lean pile

samac is where she is cause I need to do an iso on her, and that wont happen till this afternoon after my exam

Dina, also need to do an iso on her.

mkg, I feel like she is learning and trying to do the best she can, actively wolf hunting, and being helpful


Dubz, I feel like is wolf hunting and actively trying to figure out her POE and is acting along her village lines

Cray, mason claim, no reason to not believe her

Barks, acting like her village self, actively participating, not throwing shade, asking questions being decently transparent about her thoughts
 
Yeet April

Will do my iso's and let y'all know what I find
 
genny said:
It took you 30 minutes to write that post to Lainey?

second question: are you still giving AM sketch points?
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Sorry I didn't see your edit of the second half until now. Yes, 100%. She can rip apart any argument and it makes me really worried that she decided to let that one go when it was particularly weak. I already have AM as a wolf lean and this interaction just makes me think she let that argument go intentionally because it helps fuel my misyeet.
 
Caught up finally. I have AM and Samac at the top of my sus list but I don't think they're compatible as w/w and I have more wolfy points to hand out to AM than Samac, especially when AM's villaging hits me in the face from D1 and she has not done that here. I am moving AM to my top wolf read and seeing what kind of a pack I can make out of that.
 
LaineyLou said:
Reads for the day! Sorry they come so late I am truly a night owl working the midnight shifts!


Starting off where I’m lease suspicious. Village leans:
-cray: I’ve said it before I’ll say it again... theyre playing very village, pushing people, asking good questions overall seems like her normal village self.
Sunshine->genny (hey genny!!!): don’t feel her blow up was a very wolfy thing to do I feel like they’d try to play it much more cool and I felt it was all genuine frustration. I agree with their concern about zenge and would be super suspicious of her if she wasn’t concerned with zenge
Mkg: nothing has struck me as odd or concerning I feel like they are really trying to catch onto the game. Again if they were a wolf I’d suspect them to have already put a foot in their mouth.
AM: seems normal to me. Always sassy and can have hostility. Asking decent questions and pushing people. Confident as ever, as usual.
Dubz: made one post 1612 so specific idk how she’d put that together as a wolf I feel it would be just a recipe for a slip up but idk maybe she’s just that good. Otherwise no concerning quotes. Seems to be asking questions and hunting. Seems very village

Wolfy
Zenge and April: I’m now getting g the feeling zenge and April are wolfing together. I posted a few quotes before this one so y’all can take a peek at those. I was concerned about zenges yeet and unyeet and back and forth right before yeet closed the other day. He yeeted Mayo and this would make sense if he were a wolf. He could easily hide in a bandwagon of Mayo votes and bring no attention to himself or his fellow packmates *cough cough april*. This is all just one theory that came to my mind tonight

Idek
Samac- village points for yeeting zenge. Stated “I think ones is likely a wolf I’m just not sure which” about sunny and zenge. Rather quickly switching of sunshine from wolf to village still seemed a touch odd so now I’m perplexed

Still trying to get better reads on barks, Dina and doggo but I’m struggling!!!
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You have no idea how accurate this statement is, that's my hidden talent 🤣
 
I'm going to put a vote down for now even though AM scares me.

Yeet AM
 
Started with a Doggo ISO because it's quick. Didn't find anything that stood out to me in either direction for my straight read of her. For interactions with AM, slim pickings from both sides - one or two questions asked of each other but nothing making me lean either way for w/w or w/v. Doggo did read AM as slight village in the beginning of the game, then neutral, then "something is off" side of neutral which makes me put her as ever so slightly less likely to be in a pack with AM but definitely does not discount the possibility.
Doggo Labs said:
I put AM in my neutral pile because I feel like she is wolf hunting but something is off and I can't quite pinpoint it
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