Woah...Sometimes it's real hard to remember spontaneously even if we know things
probably the overall better IM program...would say Einstein is the better of those 3.
Why Winthrop > Northwell?
Not sure about other programs
-you skipped 3 and 6 on applicant 2 (oops I looked at the pic big to evaluate more and saw them embedded in 2 and 5)
yes but they're trying to stay within 20 unique codes to avoid paying more fees, not just stay within the 300 rank combo.
Agree with the above advice on your #1 ranking. Also if both applicants are very strongly considering competitive fellowships, not sure I would have a PC program at #2 or #3.
Thank you for your reply. I just didn't vibe with the program! I'm sure it's a good program for other people
Oh great...I was just curious🙂
based off your description (I'm not familiar with any of these) I would easily choose Eisenhower. However, I am not interested in fellowship at all. (which has actually been very freeing for selecting programs).
With a list like that, it's doubtful you fall out of your top couple but in any case, none of those programs will limit you geographically for heme/onc in any way. For IM and heme/onc reputation Hopkins, UCSF, and Penn stand out the most, but the rest are pretty close. I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how these different programs are in terms of workload without first hand experience, but from I've read/heard, Hopkins, UTSW, Vanderbilt tend to be on the busier side while Mayo, Yale, WashU tend to be less so. Realistically, you'll be a great fellowship candidate coming out of any of those programs so if it were me, I would factor in location heavily.
Thanks for the help, really appreciate it.
I believe the IMGs in my program have an easier time on a J-1 as far as fellowship. The H1Bs often take a chief year and an attending year to get their green card before they apply to fellowship.
I can’t speak for either of those two programs as an M4 also applying this year but plenty of people do PC track just to have less inpatient time and still apply fellowship. The ethics of the matter is debatable but if that is the only question it won’t hold you back from any fellowships compared to categorical track all other things being equal. If anything you may have more time to do some research lol.
If you had said categorical, I’d have said there’s no comparison Monte would be a significantly better option than njms. The fact that you’re applying for pc/sim it makes fellowship in non primary care less likely though not impossible. In training and reputation alone, Monte pc/sim has it by leaps and bounds. As far as fellowship options it really depends. GI cards hem onc pccm? It’ll be tough. Primary care like specialities including ID, pall care, addiction medicine, Endo? Sure
There is a non stop flight to LGA from Roanoke, which is 30 mins from Blacksburg...easy enough to get to nyc from there.
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We will likely move these two programs to the no rank list because they don't qualify for PSLF as HCA (a for profit) sponsors the residents.
The PC chief resident got into GI this year (I think at SUNY). Their multiple training sites: King County, University Hospital, Brooklyn VA, and MSK allow for ample research and audition opportunities. I wouldn't disagree that it's facetious at best to go there with the idea of pursuing a fellowship, however it's best to approach it with an open mind. Medical students can't be asked to know what they wish to do with the rest of their medical careers and sometimes interests change in residency.
Mayo does stand a little above the rest of your list for #5 in terms of research/fellowship assuming you wanted to do Cardiology. As far as training, a 6 patient cap is very cushy, but if you take advantage of the extra time to read/learn about your patients, you'll probably be fine, especially if you plan to subspecialize. CWRU, Baylor, and Colorado are all pretty similar rep so I would pick based on location personally. UAB is fine too but their matches tend to be more regional and thus may not be recognized as much by west coast fellowship programs.
Yet when you are attending or out in PP this all comes back to bite you in the butt.
Just an OMS-IV, so take this for what it's worth...
I hear this a lot but when I look at the fellowship lists, UCSD's doesn't seem very impressive. It looks like USC and Cedars both seem to have more cards matches. Am I missing anything trying to interpret these lists?
Yeah it was USC. Does the fact that this happened at this program negatively impact their residents ability to match cards?
I wouldn't necessarily rely on # of cards matches in one year as a good metric since this just comes down to individual preferences. I'm sure if a few more applied this year, they would have matched fine. Agree that their match list doesn't blow the others' away, but UCSD's home program is solid and seems to take their own. In general though, it is a little difficult to interpret match lists from cali programs because people tend to prioritize staying in california over necessairly going to the best program.
As a native Jerseyan and someone who grew up not too far from Newark, I agree with the poster above that in that Newark is pretty awful. I wouldn't go so far as to say there's nothing redeemable about Newark but there's not nearly enough to make me want to live there. With that said, the vast majority of housestaff at NJMS do not live in Newark. Most either live in Jersey City, which is about a 30 min commute depending on traffic, or the surrounding suburbs of Montclair/Bloomfield. Jersey City is populated by a lot of young professionals and there's a lot of restaurants/bars; plus you have easy access to NYC via the PATH. It has seen a lot of growth over the past several years. Montclair/Bloomfield area is a bit more quiet/residential (and a lot safer) but still boasts a fair amount of bars/restaurants.
thank you!
To me baylor jumps out from that group if you're thinking cards, though all are great programs that would ultimately let you match.
I think UCSD qol would actually be better than USC once you get through the front-loaded intern year. You are right that the match lists are similar but I think USC and Cedars both tend to have lots of cards/gi gunners which can make things needlessly competitive. I interviewed at these programs and my personal list goes SD, Cedars, USC for whatever that's worth. If you do rank USC highly make sure you're comfortable with Spanish.
