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vetmedhead said:
After catching up, I am leaning mel, cray, bryndi more village

And feeling worse about stagg, kara, lupin (to be fair I historically can't read at least two of these players)

Re: capri, when was the last time she gave a reads list? I know last time I wolfed with her she mentioned that she has a hard time coming up with reads when she's a wolf and she often avoided giving reads because of it, not sure if she's been doing that again this game or not

would like to hear more thoughts from @cubsrule4e
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Sorry, had been waiting all day to hear back from genny, and now I’ve reached my brewery destination and started imbibing. Let me check for genny reply and come up with a vote
 
muttmanager said:
I'm not falling into the trap bc I'm willing to see how you 2 progress, you're actually voting based on this. Capri is neutral, she could go either way, I'm not sure.



😵 Maybe it's nothing but the bold bothers me.

also, very sorry for your loss
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I'm operating on the assumption that there is a double kill since we've had two alternating nights with two deaths

also the theory I was presented kind of doesn't make sense if I assume the wolves didn't have a double kill

do you have a reason to think there is a second party aside from the wolves with an extra kill ability? :thinking:
 
vetmedhead said:
Re: capri, when was the last time she gave a reads list? I know last time I wolfed with her she mentioned that she has a hard time coming up with reads when she's a wolf and she often avoided giving reads because of it, not sure if she's been doing that again this game or not
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Idk I have a hard time coming up with reads as village too, unless you count "uhh idk feels" (with the occasional tunnel) on everyone as a reads list
 
cubsrule4e said:
Bryndi (5) - Karabeans, meats, snowy, Lupes, coffee

Theres gotta be some Red in here somewhere, if not bryndi herself. Zigs flip makes me look a little less at kara.



Lets find out more about them then, shall we? I havent been on the bryndi sketch train at all so

Lynch Coffee

Care to join me for a third day in a row, Ski?
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where are you at with your thoughts on this since koffee was shown green by mods? I see you drop the idea and haven't revisited it again

cubsrule4e said:
Im still ok with the AM lynch even as a 3rd party, but this Stagg business is starting to pique my interest. Especially if AM proves green. Lupin and genny seem trustworthy enough in PMs, so nothing that worries me too much there. People like capri and mutts have tended to fly under my radar in a sense of saying a fair amount but not really catching my attention one way or the other. Id like to hear more from Killer since her resurrection, and coffee has obviously been cleared. AM also seems to have interacted with nearly every single person in the game, so if this lynch goes through, the outcome will then allow me to start ISOing more productively, including the quieter people like weim so I can try to get some new leans.
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Karabiner13 said:
Ok...

I see a ton of if I'm a wolf and one if I'm village. Please tell me what you will gain from me being village because #notawolf :banana:
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@Stagg737 what would you get if I flipped village?

@WeimMama what are your thoughts?
 
Lynch Trackers

lupes (1) - genny
mel (1) - cray
kara (1) - snowy
weim (1) - am
cray (1) - zigzag
mel (2) - karabou
capri (1) - skim
dina (1) - barkley
sar (1) - koffee
dina (2) - dubz
koffee (1) - shelter
zigzag (1) - killer
am (1) - vmh
zigzag (0) - killer
statistics (1) - killer
dina (1) - dubz (she unlynched barks first)
am (2) - dubz
killer (1) - lupes
am (3) - capri
cray (0) - zigzag
shelter (1) - zigzag
zigzag (1) - dolphin
paws (1) - mel
zigzag (2) - dina
lupes (0) - genny
capri (2) - genny
killer (2) - sar
koffee (2) - bryndy
zigzag (3) - gwen
paws (0) - mel
statistics (2) - mel
math (1) - moose
mel (1) - karabou
bryndy (1) - karabou
am (2) - vmh
bryndy (2) - vmh
kara (0) - snowy
bryndy (3) - snowy
am (1) - dubz
capri (3) - dubz
killer (3) - mutts
koffee (3) - mj
stats (1) - killer
zigzag (4) - killer
shelter (0) - zigzag
moose (1) - zigzag
sar (0) - koffee
genny (1) - koffee
math (0) - moose
dolphin (1) - moose
dina (0) - barks
moose (2) - barks
zigzag (3) - gwen
zigzag (2) - dolphin
capri (2) - genny
moose (3) - genny
stats (0) - mel
kara (1) - mel
dina (1) - msu
cray (1) - gwen
dina (0) - msu
killer (4) - cubs
sporty (1) - stagg
kara (2) - dolphin
zigzag (1) - dina
killer (5) - dina
koffee (4) - ski
killer (4) - lupes
bryndy (4) - lupes
genny (0) - koffee
bryndy (5) - koffee
am (0) - capri
gwen (2) - capri
sporty (0) - stagg
kara (3) - stagg
koffee (3) - bryndy
killer (5) - bryndy
(zigzag attempts to unlynch moose and lynch bryndy but is late)

moose (1) - zigzag
cray (1) - koffee
gwen (1) - am
capri (1) - dubz
moose (2) - sar
msu (1) - moose
moose (3) - genny
bryndy (1) - lupes
kara (1) - cubs
koffee (1) - ski
sar (1) - killer
msu (0) - moose
kara (2) - moose
lupes (1) - dina
dubz (1) - snowy
bryndy (2) - weim
stagg (1) - dolphin
msu (1) - bryndy
bryndy (1) - lupes
gwen (2) - lupes
kara (3) - mel
cray (2) - mutts
moose (4) - vmh
stagg (2) - skim
moose (5) - stagg
cray (1) - koffee
am (1) - koffee
cray (0) - mutts
kara (4) - mutts
moose (4) - stagg
kara (5) - stagg
gwen (1) - lupes
moose (5) - lupes
moose (6) - cray

contingency zigzag (1) - koffee - but zigzag dies
contingency kara (1) - stagg
cray (1) - zigzag - but zigzag dies
contingency capri (1) - dubz
kara (2) - mel
gwen (1) - am
kara (1) - mel
paws (1) - mel
dubz (1) - snowy
dubz (2) - vmh
paws (0) - mel
kara (2) - mel
stagg (1) - sar
gwen (2) - genny
kara (3) - weim
koffee (1) - cubs
am (1) - koffee
sar (1) - killer
mel (1) - karabou
dubz (1) - vmh
koffee (2) - vmh
capri (1) - lupin
koffee (3) - mj
am (0) - koffee
gwen (3) - koffee
lupes (1) - cray
koffee (4) - ski
koffee (3) - ski
koffee (2) - cubs
stagg (2) - bryndy
capri (2) - cubs
gwen (4) - ski
cray (1) - mutts
stagg (3) - skim
mel (0) - karabou
stagg (4) - karabou
kara (2) - stagg
gwen (5) - stagg
kara (3) - msu
gwen (4) - koffee
kara (4) - koffee
stagg (3) - karabou
gwen (5) - karabou
capri (2) - cubs
kara (5) - cubs
capri (1) - lupes
gwen (6) - lupes
dubz (0) - snowy
stagg (4) - snowy
unlynch gwen, lynch kara - stagg (but too late)

contingency am (1) - koffee
am (2) - dubz
am (3) - mutt
kara (1) - cubs
am (4) - vmh
kara (2) - mel
am (5) - cray
mutts (1) - am
mel (1) - kara
am (6) - sar
am (7) - weim
am (8) - bryndy
kara (1) - cubs
am (9) - cubs
am (8) - dubz
stagg (1) - dubz
msu (1) - killer
stagg (2) - genny
msu (2) - capri
am (9) - snowy
mutts (0) - am
stagg (3) - am
am (8) - weim
stagg (4) - weim
am (9) - skim
am (~~) - mj (vote stolen so doesn't count)
capri (1) - lupes
kara (0) - mel
stagg (5) - mel
am (10) - msu
mel (0) - kara
stagg (6) - kara
stagg (7) - dina
am (9) - koffee
stagg (8) - koffee
stagg (7) - koffee

Day 1 Lynch Tally
Lupin () -
Mel (1) - Cray
Kara (3) - Mel, dolphin, Stagg
Weim (1) - AM
Cray (1) - Gwen
Capri (2) - skim, Dubz
Dina () -
SAR () -
Coffee? (3) - shelter, MJ, Ski
Zigjazz (1) - killer
AM () -
killer (5) - SAR, mutts, cubs, Dina, Bryndi
Shelter () -
Bryndi (5) - Karabeans, meats, snowy, Lupes, coffee
Miranda (3) - ziggy, barks, genny
genny () -
Dolphin (1) - Miranda
gwen (1) - capri

27/29 voting
Missing: Weim, MSU

Day 2 Lynch Tally
MOOSE (6) - zigzag, SAR, genny, meats, lupin, cray
Cray () -
Gwen (1) - AM
capri (2) - Dubz, MJ
MSU (2) - bryndi, capri
bryndi (1) - Weim
Kara (5) - Cubs, MOOSE, Mel, mutts, stagg
Coffee (1) - Ski
SAR (1) - killer
Lupin (1) - Dina
dubz (1) - Snowy
Stagg (2) - dolph, skim
AM (1) - coffee

24/28 voting
Missing: MSU, Gwen, shelter, Kara

Day 3 Woah There, Wednesday Lynch Tally

Kara (5) - mel, weim, MSU, coffee, cubs
Capri (1) - dubz
Gwen (6) - AM, genny, ski, stagg, kara, lupin
Dubz () -
Stagg (4) - SAR, bryndi, skim, snowy
Coffee (2) - meats, MJ
AM () -
SAR (1) - Killer
Mel () -
MSU (1) - Capri
Lupin (1) - cray
Cray (1) - mutts

22/24 voting

Missing:
dina, gwen

Day 4 Thoroughbred Thursday Lynch Tally

AM (10) - meats, cray, SAR, bryndi, cubs, snowy, skim, MSU, Stagg
Kara () -
Mutts () -
Mel () -
MJ () -
capri (2) - MJ, lupin
MSU (2) - killer, capri
Stagg (7) - Dubz, genny, AM, Weim, Kara, Mel, Dina
Weim (1) - mutts

21/22 voting

Missing: Coffee
 
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Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
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Stagg (4) - Weim, snowy, Skim, meats
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (4) - Mel, coffee, Dina, mutts
capri (2) - Stagg, MJ

11/20 voting
Lupin and @Stagg737 you are in the lead!

Missing: capri, cubs, bryndi, Kara, genny, Lupin, Cray, MSU, killer

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~2 hrs remaining)

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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
If your ability is passive why didnt it go through?
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My ability is not passive, it just provides fun to the game because I'm not actually providing the fun. I mean, my ability should be fairly obvious by now and if people thought about it they could figure out why I'm not wolfy.

vetmedhead said:
Little column A, little column B

my concern is about what answers you were expecting to tease out that would have been helpful to your reasoning about Dubz's affiliation. In my mind, an answer from her would have given you insight that essentially boiled down to one of three things:
  • she just trusted AM super strongly from their PMs and actually has no good reason
  • she has mod-confirmed info about AM
  • she is a wolf and duh, AM is not one of da woofs
these are basically the three options you would have had in the first place before questioning her, and trying to tease out more from a seasoned player who is strongly implying they have a good reason for their firm belief another player is not a wolf really isn't going to help you too much in determining whether the last option is true. However, as a wolf, distinguishing between the first and second option is much more useful because it's in the best interest to kill off a seer, so assessing whether it's mod confirmed info can become really helpful in PR hunting
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This is a good thought and I'll admit I wasn't thinking about it that deeply. I was very disconcerted that Dubz put pretty d***ing information about AM on thread then came back and basically said 'AM is hard-cleared, trust me' without providing any actual evidence. Plus, AM was implying that her ability had gone through as it was meant to but on the wrong person. Implying that she had a NK ability. However they also implied and then later straight up revealed AM was the vote switcher. A villager having 2 abilities, one of which is NK is something I've never seen without a mayor or an item in play, so AM was coming off as non-village. Which is why I wanted to know what Dubz could have possibly known that would hard-clear AM. I didn't think Dubz would actually want to keep a known chaos alive, which is why I was asking so blatantly. If that makes me sketch, than idk what to say, but there was too much shadiness happening and I didn't believe Dubz when she said sharing would hurt village.

muttmanager said:
I'm not falling into the trap bc I'm willing to see how you 2 progress, you're actually voting based on this. Capri is neutral, she could go either way, I'm not sure.
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Except I'm not voting only based on that. Like I said, I've found Capri sketch before that happened. Why do you keep insisting that's why I'm voting there. Saying it more times won't make it true. So you're basically throwing shade at me for doing the same thing you are. Do you not see the problem with that?
 
Karabiner13 said:
where are you at with your thoughts on this since koffee was shown green by mods? I see you drop the idea and haven't revisited it

@WeimMama what are your thoughts?
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Coffee was cleared, but there’s always a conversion chance I guess. The dubz disclosure has made me move more village on you. Lupin I’ve had several hesitations on in PM, not currently leaning that way but it’s still possible. I don’t like how snowy is all over stagg but overall I haven’t felt she is that wolf. VMH I haven’t been able to develop a read all game
 
Karabiner13 said:
@Stagg737 what would you get if I flipped village?
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I'd learn that you're village. As I said before, I'd feel better about Cubs. I'd also get info on Lupin, but she's moved above you on my sketch list which is why I'd rather lynch her before you now. It would also give me info about Mel since he's pushed your vote so heavily. I'd gain more info if you flipped wolf, but village flip would still help some. I'm also not as inclined to lynch you now because I have stronger feels elsewhere. Why are you still asking about me voting for you when I haven't for 2 days?


Also, a Capri village flip would make me want to look at Mutts more.

CoffeeQuestionMark said:
If your ability is passive why didnt it go through?
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Also, it didn't go through because my target died last night (SAR).
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Unlynch Stagg

I am seeing this in a different light
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what is the different light?

Melchizedek said:
So here's where I'm at

Kara - talked with Dubz last night and asked her why she was so sure Kara was village. She gave some iffy reasons regarding meta, but still seemed very adamant that Kara is village. Seeing how SAR flipped and WZ and SAR were PM partners, I now see a better reason than meta as to why. Willing to just trust this.
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While I appreciate the 180, I don't think your sar idea is better if it's based on her ability. She was an ability seer. From the abilities we've seen, I don't think abilities are necessarily affiliation indicative (I think Snowy mentioned this idea). PM'er can go either way, redirector as well to name just a few. Makes me suspect that the wolves have abilities underlying some benign abilities
 
cubsrule4e said:
Coffee was cleared, but there’s always a conversion chance I guess. The dubz disclosure has made me move more village on you. Lupin I’ve had several hesitations on in PM, not currently leaning that way but it’s still possible. I don’t like how snowy is all over stagg but overall I haven’t felt she is that wolf. VMH I haven’t been able to develop a read all game
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Do you have any wolf reads?
 
genny said:
I voted for you because I find you sketchy.

Not sure on cubs yet. There's something going on there with Lupin that is making me mildly uncomfortable.
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So who do you think is wolfy? Lupin? Cubs? Both?

Karabiner13 said:
While I appreciate the 180, I don't think your sar idea is better if it's based on her ability. She was an ability seer. From the abilities we've seen, I don't think abilities are necessarily affiliation indicative (I think Snowy mentioned this idea). PM'er can go either way, redirector as well to name just a few. Makes me suspect that the wolves have abilities underlying some benign abilities
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What are your thoughts on Snowy?
 
WeimMama said:
Lynch stagg
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why?

bryndiana.jones said:
AM being third party muddies the water so I'm not sure. We have no idea what her win conditions were which means that we cannot trust anything that she said, so I will have to go back and look at stagg independent of his interactions of AM.
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while it's true that we don't know her win condition, look at how she acted. She took out shelter who is a typical quiet player and was planning to take out capri who multiple people have had as sketch. I'd say she was acting in as village leaning way as possible as chaos

Stagg737 said:
Last night I "felt a huge presence standing over me". Just throwing that out there.
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Has anyone else had a huge presence stand over them?
 
WildZoo said:
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Only certified AM tallies can be trusted, all others are full of sketch
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😢

vetmedhead said:
Looking at the night kills last night has me somewhat convinced that the wolves read Dubz' strong conviction that AM was not a wolf as evidence that either she or a PM partner had seered AM, and elected to use the double kill on Dubz and her PM partner in an effort to kill a seer

which to some degree reads like relatively advanced wolfery and leans me a little more suspicious of there being at least one wolf who is more seasoned
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From what I've seen of our noobs, some of them are pretty darn perceptive. I wouldn't discount them

vetmedhead said:
And feeling worse about stagg, kara, lupin (to be fair I historically can't read at least two of these players)
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not sure if this refers to me but yeah, you're not reading me correctly
 
Karabiner13 said:
what is the different light?



While I appreciate the 180, I don't think your sar idea is better if it's based on her ability. She was an ability seer. From the abilities we've seen, I don't think abilities are necessarily affiliation indicative (I think Snowy mentioned this idea). PM'er can go either way, redirector as well to name just a few. Makes me suspect that the wolves have abilities underlying some benign abilities
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I had suspicions he was the blocker but that appears to be not true
 
I assumed a protection role so not sure how that would clear someone as village
 
Lupin21 said:
Dammit, WZ. Why could't you have redirected her to a wolf??? Did you have something against ski?
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This comment leans wolf. I had you neutral to village prior to this.
Melchizedek said:
My theory was that she went to act on MJ, but was redirected to Ski, but MJ was doing something (killing, investigating, idk what) in ski's stall so since ski was dead but MJ was there and was her primary target anyway, the action went through.
Like I said, it made sense to me in my head when I tin-foiled it last night, but it started to look less and less likely today.
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:eyebrow: Seriously? This makes no sense. I don't even believe that you believed this for one second.
Karabiner13 said:
while it's true that we don't know her win condition, look at how she acted. She took out shelter who is a typical quiet player and was planning to take out capri who multiple people have had as sketch. I'd say she was acting in as village leaning way as possible as chaos
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We really have NO idea who she planned on killing that night. I don't think we can believe anything she's told us. Why would you believe it?
 
cubsrule4e said:
Coffee was cleared, but there’s always a conversion chance I guess. The dubz disclosure has made me move more village on you. Lupin I’ve had several hesitations on in PM, not currently leaning that way but it’s still possible. I don’t like how snowy is all over stagg but overall I haven’t felt she is that wolf. VMH I haven’t been able to develop a read all game
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what about bryndy?

Stagg737 said:
What are your thoughts on Snowy?
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Based on yesterday, I'd lean her village
 
Karabiner13 said:
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From what I've seen of our noobs, some of them are pretty darn perceptive. I wouldn't discount them



not sure if this refers to me but yeah, you're not reading me correctly
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I don't necessarily want to discount noobs, had just been thinking about players that are perspicacious and had been present on thread enough to have noticed Dubz's implications in a timely enough fashion to have made night kill decisions, which is why those three candidates (you, stagg, lupin) stood out to me in particular

I do have a hard time reading you, though in retrospect think I have more iffy questions about lupin (another player I can't read at all). Stagg's hint at his role ability is giving me a touch of pause about my lynch vote for him and I need to think about it for a little because I need to think over whether I think that ability has been used in a particularly village way
 
Skimble said:
We really have NO idea who she planned on killing that night. I don't think we can believe anything she's told us. Why would you believe it?
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Does it matter if I believe it or not? Take into consideration her vote stealing with just the shelter kill and to me that's a village leaning chaos
 
vetmedhead said:
I don't necessarily want to discount noobs, had just been thinking about players that are perspicacious and had been present on thread enough to have noticed Dubz's implications in a timely enough fashion to have made night kill decisions, which is why those three candidates (you, stagg, lupin) stood out to me in particular

I do have a hard time reading you, though in retrospect think I have more iffy questions about lupin (another player I can't read at all). Stagg's hint at his role ability is giving me a touch of pause about my lynch vote for him and I need to think about it for a little because I need to think over whether I think that ability has been used in a particularly village way
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what are your thoughts on wolves potentially having underlying abilities to benign abilities and that is why there is an ability seer? Or just thoughts on the ability seer being village in general?
 
speaking of players I can't read, I love @genny to death but have a permanent policy to not trust her farther than I can throw her ever since we wolf hydra'd together in the immuno game and literally couldn't convince people to lynch us lol
 
Karabiner13 said:
what are your thoughts on wolves potentially having underlying abilities to benign abilities and that is why there is an ability seer? Or just thoughts on the ability seer being village in general?
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I'm not opposed to the idea, particularly since there is precedent in other games for such a thing

I am also willing to believe it based on the fact that I have a feeling that village abilities may have needed some slightly heavy handed balancing to counteract some stronger wolf abilities, based on the fact that we've had at least one player with double vig kills and multiple rezzes in the game
 
Not caught up at all. 7 pm deadlines are tough when you have a busy day and errands.

I see my candidate Lupin is a top contender, I'll vote there

###lynch lupin###

# means I'm on mobile which means I'm not at home, ie playing from some business parking lot. Today it's Safeway.

Lupin's behaviour was distinctly wolfy when I posted to thread in a panic. Since then I've lost some nerve but I think it's a good lynch based on things I can point to.

Might be time for her to role reveal if she hasn't, unless she did and I missed it.

Be home in 40 minutes.
 
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Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
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Stagg (4) - Weim, snowy, Skim, meats
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (5) - Mel, coffee, Dina, mutts, Cray
capri (3) - Stagg, MJ, cubs

12/20 voting
Lupin, you are in the lead!

Missing: capri, bryndi, Kara, genny, Lupin, MSU, killer

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~1 hr remaining)

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Animal Midwife said:
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Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
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Stagg (4) - Weim, snowy, Skim, meats
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (5) - Mel, coffee, Dina, mutts, Cray
capri (3) - Stagg, MJ, cubs

12/20 voting
Lupin, you are in the lead!

Missing: capri, bryndi, Kara, genny, Lupin, MSU, killer

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~1 hr remaining)

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I'm watching Westminster agility and ilu
 
vetmedhead said:
I'm operating on the assumption that there is a double kill since we've had two alternating nights with two deaths

also the theory I was presented kind of doesn't make sense if I assume the wolves didn't have a double kill

do you have a reason to think there is a second party aside from the wolves with an extra kill ability? :thinking:
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It read very like you were confident that's what happened, I know nothing if I haven't made that clear enough

Stagg737 said:
Except I'm not voting only based on that. Like I said, I've found Capri sketch before that happened. Why do you keep insisting that's why I'm voting there. Saying it more times won't make it true. So you're basically throwing shade at me for doing the same thing you are. Do you not see the problem with that?
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I think insisting is a strong word for what I'm assuming but to each their own. I'm not intending to shade you, I just not following your reasoning.

Stagg737 said:
Also, a Capri village flip would make me want to look at Mutts more.
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Like here, how does me reading Capri neutral and her possibly flipping village = you wanting to look into me more? 😵
If she's a wolf, am I cleared then? (genuine question, not trying to shade you)
 
Could go stagg or genny at this point. The former because of previous reasons and because I am not convinced that a post restrictor is village, and the later for VCA and post quality.
 
bryndiana.jones said:
Could go stagg or genny at this point. The former because of previous reasons and because I am not convinced that a post restrictor is village, and the later for VCA and post quality.
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Dont you see why he must be village? Targetted a player getting wolf killed.
 
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Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
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Stagg (4) - Weim, snowy, Skim, meats
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (5) - Mel, coffee, Dina, mutts, Cray
capri (4) - Stagg, MJ, cubs, Kara
mutts (1) - genny

15/20 voting
Lupin, you are in the lead!

Missing: bryndi, Lupin, MSU, killer, capri

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~45 minutes remaining)

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