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Trilt said:
Perhaps a dumb technique - and not the point of the SOV rule - but Cyndia missed both her night vote and night action two nights ago. Makes me mildly less inclined to think she's wolfy.

Just want to update from a page ago that SOV did successfully interrogate me a couple nights back and mods never told me it happened. Got an update from STL that I should have been notified.
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Fwiw I don't think we are getting a wolf here either for a couple reasons at this point, but at this time, someone just has to be put up.
 
After a conundrum of a day, and more waffles being served up then a waffle house, it was clear that SoV..... no wait Caiter.... no wait Cyndia, Yes Cyndia, must be responsible for all of the night actions. As a result, a hit had been placed on her for this upcoming night.

It is officially night 10. There are 22 players in the game. Roster to be posted momentarily. Night deadline is set for 8 am est (I will be a bit lenient with non-essential actions come in a tad late),

"The Corner"
2. WildZoo
3. Alohacat
5. Trilt
35. SoV

The gang's safe house
6. FS
7. Cyndia
8. Allie
9. kcoughli

The police safe house
Evacuated for not being “safe”

The Police headquarters
16. Fireman
19. Ceph
20. Jayna

The Dark Alley ("Druggie's lane")
21. Dyachei
22. DVMD
23. LIS in his white panel van
24. Rojo
25. Caia – El cantador, now?????

The weapon's house
26. Jilary
27.Caiter92
28. Katashark

The neutral zone
31. swiniazycie
32.Ashgirl
15. Animal Midwife

In Jail:
14. Gwenevre – El negociador
33.PBC – El matador
13. LadyOtheFarm –El Capo
17. Zensing – Pakhan
11. Finnick - Brigadier

Dead:
12. Heyyimhayley – The neutral party
29. Rocky – Sovietnik
4. Devastating – The Private Investigator
10. Kam – Homeless Person
1. MJ – Prostitute converted to undercover cop prostitute
30. DocEspana – The Corrupt Politician
18. Stb – The guy selling watches out of his undercoat
34. Teepster – El arsenal turned undercover cop
 
Sorry I missed lynch guys. Meant to check in during my physics class tonight, but I totally spaced and I just got home. Spring break now though, so I'll be around a lot more.
 
I don't remember who insinuated that Teep was the original wolf in El Capo gang, but I don't believe he was based on:
SummerTheLynx said:
34. Teepster – El arsenal turned undercover cop
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Sounds more like Teep was converted, possibly by the original wolf in that gang once they realized how useful extra guns could be.
I'm HIGHLY suspicious of SoV at this point. I will share my reasons why below:
SummerTheLynx said:
“Chief, is it true that you have arrested yet another member from the El…”
“Yes, yes. We have almost gotten to the point of dethroning this gang, and taking away its stronghold on the city. One more imprisonment, and they won’t know what to do with themselves.” Everyone in the audience chuckles, as the chief’s eyes were filled with exuberance.
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The next night, LotF (the former #1) was dead or imprisoned, and there hasn't been an El Capo death since (besides Teep). And who inherited the #1 spot? SoV.
Read the next write up below with my added emphasis on certain words STL uses...
SummerTheLynx said:
The night began with Teepster trying to figure out what she should do with her last few moments in this world. She knew everyone was coming for her and there was no way out. So might as well do something to help the cops, something to make sure that the filth of this city can be cleaned up.

He knew what she needed to do. He and the chief had discussed a fairly radical plan the night before, which he thought he might be able to pull off. It would take a lot of skill, but he thought he was up for the challenge.

He headed to the current leader of his gang’s house, and barged through the front door, which was conveniently always unlocked. He saw that a large number of people were there, from the coats everywhere, and thought to himself that this would be even more perfect than he had planned.

He sprints up to the gang leader’s room and kicks open the door in a fit of what appeared to be rage. SoV looked shock at the intruder but smiled slightly. “So what is your plan?” as he stared into the barrel of the gun, his voice having a hint of satisfaction in it.

“I think you know exxxacccctttlyyyy what my plan is. This was the most ideal time, or at least as ideal as it could get. Who did you send out on that silly hit for me anyway?”

Teepster hears footsteps running up the stairs behind him. Teepster heightens his grip on the gun, and tenses his finger on the trigger. It looks like he is about to shoot.
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A radical plan, a large number of people present making the plan work perfectly, what "appeared to be rage", and "looks like he is about to shoot." What if the radical plan was for Teep to pretend to go after SoV, to solidify his cover as a villager? Why else would a large number of people present be a good thing for a wolf taking out a high ranking villager? Why would STL continually use phrases like "appears to be" or "looks like" if it wasn't all a sham? Yes, this theory may be far-fetched, but it says right in the write up that Teep and the police chief had a "radical plan."

I could be totally wrong on this, but other things have also been triggering my idiot-savantness including what dy said earlier about his remarks via veterans. He's a smart enough player to have set himself up well from the very beginning by insisting on going after his own gang members (would also be self serving early on if he was trying to gain the top spot). His "mistake" with WZ bought Teep an extra night to arm someone and maximize the wolf kills.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is just grasping at straws again, but it all smells a bit too much like bacon around him.
 
Oh and "something to make sure the filth of the city can be cleaned up" to me feels more like trying to keep his fellow cops undercover rather than taking out one gang member.
 
kcoughli said:
A radical plan, a large number of people present making the plan work perfectly, what "appeared to be rage", and "looks like he is about to shoot." What if the radical plan was for Teep to pretend to go after SoV, to solidify his cover as a villager? Why else would a large number of people present be a good thing for a wolf taking out a high ranking villager? Why would STL continually use phrases like "appears to be" or "looks like" if it wasn't all a sham? Yes, this theory may be far-fetched, but it says right in the write up that Teep and the police chief had a "radical plan."
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Obviously I agree, since I left my lynch vote on SOV, and barring some other major info overnight plan to vote to lynch him again tomorrow....

... but the one thing that's weird is that the whole write-up where Teep appears to attack SOV but SOV is spared without anyone having to defend him (SOV) is that it sorta requires STL's collusion, which would be kinda inappropriate for a mod. I mean, what, did Teep and SOV PM STL and say "we want the write-up to make it look like Teep was going to attack SOV even though he really wasn't"? How else do you get to stage that scene?

I dunno. It just has loose ends. I still think it's worth lynching SOV, especially since there are other circumstantial things that you also pointed out, but... parts of it don't sit right with me.
 
LetItSnow said:
Obviously I agree, since I left my lynch vote on SOV, and barring some other major info overnight plan to vote to lynch him again tomorrow....

... but the one thing that's weird is that the whole write-up where Teep appears to attack SOV but SOV is spared without anyone having to defend him (SOV) is that it sorta requires STL's collusion, which would be kinda inappropriate for a mod. I mean, what, did Teep and SOV PM STL and say "we want the write-up to make it look like Teep was going to attack SOV even though he really wasn't"? How else do you get to stage that scene?

I dunno. It just has loose ends. I still think it's worth lynching SOV, especially since there are other circumstantial things that you also pointed out, but... parts of it don't sit right with me.
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Yeah I know, it seems a bit strained to get there. My only thoughts were if SoV really was protected, and Teep knew that, he could put in a night action to attack SoV, knowing it wouldn't work, and hoping that the mods would oblige (and even if not SoV could have come out and said he was attacked and protected last night and if anyone had been tracking either of them could confirm it).

The write up also mentioned that "This was the most ideal time, or at least as ideal as it could get." Possibly another hint that it was lucky that the hit out on Teep happened to occur at the exact same time he pretended to go after SoV, so that it would be included in the write up.
 
I think it's worth keeping SOV on our radar. If he is a wolf - especially if he's been a wolf for a while - he's been playing us really well, and acting quite differently than when I was a wolf with him a couple games back. I agree the write-up is real weird, and I have seen STL take write-up suggestions from wolves before, so it's not a crazy idea to me. If fits in well with the idea that this is a "real" game, and we're actual people doing actions; no reason we can't dictate (within reason) how we do them. Just not convinced I'm willing to abandon all of SOV's other actions in response to said weird write-up.

Let's also keep in mind that there are two gangs that we've not ferreted a wolf out of, and I find it fairly likely with all their recruitment and two infiltration nights that one - or both - are harboring someone wolfy. If my mental log is right, both of them have less people than El Capo, so just from a purely odds point it may be worthwhile to change tack.
 
kcoughli said:
Yeah I know, it seems a bit strained to get there. My only thoughts were if SoV really was protected, and Teep knew that, he could put in a night action to attack SoV, knowing it wouldn't work, and hoping that the mods would oblige (and even if not SoV could have come out and said he was attacked and protected last night and if anyone had been tracking either of them could confirm it).

The write up also mentioned that "This was the most ideal time, or at least as ideal as it could get." Possibly another hint that it was lucky that the hit out on Teep happened to occur at the exact same time he pretended to go after SoV, so that it would be included in the write up.
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All I can say is you are going to great lengths to reinterpret was is a simple situation IMO. Trying to get all the misshappen round pieces into your square theory.

Occam's razor my friend. If you have to work that hard to prove your theory, it is probably wrong (ok, this is my reinterpretation of it)> Much simpler to read it as STL wrote it. Teep was attacking me, and it was the best time because he was going to die anyway and might as well kill his leader. Obviously couldn't kill me before with all our keeping an eye on him.
 
Go read my wall of text kcough and tell me how any of that fits in. I would have to had left some innocuous hint there, and there isn't. I mean, that is a look into my twisted, tired, mistake filled convo's with mods. I don't know what else could be more convincing than that.
 
BTW, how do we know there is an original wolf in El Capo?
AFAIK, I was the first one to talk about a wolf in el capo, and it was conjecture, and it wasn't about an original. Could have been a conversion. Maybe MJ was even telling a truth that there were no wolves to start.

Unless we have hard evidence to say there was a wolf in El Capo at the beginning of the game, let's not just rush to judgment.
 
StartingoverVet said:
BTW, how do we know there is an original wolf in El Capo?
AFAIK, I was the first one to talk about a wolf in el capo, and it was conjecture, and it wasn't about an original. Could have been a conversion. Maybe MJ was even telling a truth that there were no wolves to start.

Unless we have hard evidence to say there was a wolf in El Capo at the beginning of the game, let's not just rush to judgment.
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The first 3-4 wolf inprisonments were El capo... Makes sense that they had a mole and knew early on the roster.
 
Trilt said:
I think it's worth keeping SOV on our radar. If he is a wolf - especially if he's been a wolf for a while - he's been playing us really well, and acting quite differently than when I was a wolf with him a couple games back. I agree the write-up is real weird, and I have seen STL take write-up suggestions from wolves before, so it's not a crazy idea to me. If fits in well with the idea that this is a "real" game, and we're actual people doing actions; no reason we can't dictate (within reason) how we do them. Just not convinced I'm willing to abandon all of SOV's other actions in response to said weird write-up.

Let's also keep in mind that there are two gangs that we've not ferreted a wolf out of, and I find it fairly likely with all their recruitment and two infiltration nights that one - or both - are harboring someone wolfy. If my mental log is right, both of them have less people than El Capo, so just from a purely odds point it may be worthwhile to change tack.
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My gang has 3 ppl and had only 1 until night 6 when we grew to 3 and stayed there thus far. So unless just recently infiltrated, I'm not horribly concerned over my two compatriots
 
thedrjojo said:
My gang has 3 ppl and had only 1 until night 6 when we grew to 3 and stayed there thus far. So unless just recently infiltrated, I'm not horribly concerned over my two compatriots
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You know that I know that. Just wasn't going to spread the specifics around for no reason. I am really more interested in the remaining non-Russian, non-Capo, non-teeny gang. 😛
 
thedrjojo said:
The first 3-4 wolf inprisonments were El capo... Makes sense that they had a mole and knew early on the roster.
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That was MY theory, so I hardly dispute it..... but it doesn't guarantee an original.
Again, I am thinking of MJ's "there were no wolves to start" comment.
I mean probably a lie, but usually wolves mix in real info with lies to confuse, and that was an interesting out of nowhere comment.

Now that we got Teep's, if MJ was actually letting a true tidbit out, wouldn't the wolves push the whole "you haven't found the original" theory as logical to get rid of the rest of my gang.

I don't know whether we have a wolf or not ... but it is far from certain that we do is my only point.
 
One final speculation. Not sure if I posted this on thread, but I discussed with a few people if the wolves had an ability to get a list of the gang members. One time ability perhaps like many of our gang abilites. But now I figure if they already knew all the gang members, then why recruit someone in a gang they were going to decimate (using the modern meaning of decimate, not the kill 1 in 10 archaic meaning).
 
The game started with 2 cops....and since it looks like we've only gotten converts we're still looking at a minimum of 2 wolves.
 
StartingoverVet said:
if this info is accurate then I think there must definitely be a wolf in El Capo still. Oh well.
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I also assume that converting teepster was an attempt to divert attention away from this wolf. They are probably important, and worth going after.

Teep was unlucky to have a sketch role and then the wolves used that as a decoy for their identity.

And BTW, for those of you who think I am being inconsistent with on the one hand my "wily wolf" comment and my" don't underestimate the noob wolves" from the previous game, i am not.
I don't think you can use bad wolf play to say it is noobs.

BUt having said that, I have modded a LOT of games, and there are people who are really creative, and strategic wolves, and there are those who aren't. How anyone can doubt that I have no idea. And I think I have a good idea who some of those are - obviously not all.

It is why I was highly suspicious of Jojo. He is very, very good at game play and strategy and stuff, without being obvious.

Anyone, it just annoyed me that you thought i was being hypocritical.. I am not. Sorry to say it, but you all aren't all brilliant.
 
kcoughli said:
Is it day yet? Going to have another busy day but

##contingency lynch sov##

For reasons previously mentioned

Sent from my VS876 using SDN mobile
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fine, but you are wrong. (don't worry, I am not going to bother to argue anymore, just going to say that). - setting myself up for numerous "I told you so"s.
 
We start off the night with Cyndia, our mostly absentee friend, who had decided to doze off in her bed for yet another night. That’s why she didn’t hear the two people carefully unlock her front door.

The two men that entered were given one assignment. Kill cyndia at all costs. They decided to search her apartment first, to see if they could loot anything important. One of them walked into the study and found some pictures of kids at a playground lying on Cyndia’s desk, which they thought was weird.

The other man went into the kitchen and saw a note on the fridge that said, “Step 1) Get recruited. Step 2) Recruit prostitute Step 3) Start Sex Ring Step 4) Gang benefits.” He thought it was a weird note to have given that the prostitute was already dead.

The two men met at the base of the stairs, clearly finding nothing of interest. They head up into Cyndia’s room, and just creak the door open. There she was, lying in bed, completely and totally defenseless, fast asleep.

The men made quick work of her firing one round into her skull and another straight through the heart.
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Across town, Rojo had just gotten off work. He had just appealed the case for the head of the El Capo gang, in an attempt to get them out of jail. He had been working on this case for days now, and just wanted the judge to see reason. Sure, he might be a dirty, crooked gang leader, but he does more good for the community than any cop or any government has ever done.

Unfortunately, all of his hard work was for naught, as the judge came back and denied the appeal. “Don’t worry, I will just try again tomorrow.” He whispered under his breath. On his was back home, he passed a random street performer who was juggling swords.

“That’s weird.” He thought to himself. “Who would think that a street performer would play on these streets…” He realized that he felt a bit uneasy going around him, which the performer saw and the performer moved towards the street, so Rojo could pass behind him. As he was passing, Rojo heard a whizzing sound, whipped around, and saw one of the knives was holding his shirt against the wall behind him.

A second whooshing noise and the other side of his shirt was stuck to the wall. The man dropped the other knife, whipped out a gun, and landed three bullets in his head. The man took a bow for all of the shocked onlookers and headed down an alley behind him.
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The following was intercepted over police chatter last night.

“Do you have the man in custody?

“Yes chief, it was extraordinarily easy. With the gang that small, they are helpless to our powers now. Especially when we were bringing in the lowest in command.

“Perfect, did you plant all the appropriate evidence to put him away for life?”

“I did. The gun, the blood of the victim on the gun, his fingerprints on the gun, and the body is chopped up into small bits in his trash can. The judge has also been taken care of.”

“Perfect, great work. We’ll make a lieutenant out of you yet.”

The chatter went dead after that.

There was no wiretap last evening.

Dead is Cyndia, The pedophile, villager
Found in the trash can of Trilt and cut up in tiny pieces is Rojo, The Corrupt Prosecutor, villager
Imprisoned is Trilt, El Soldado, Villager

It is day 11. Lynch/hit deadline is set for 8:30 pm est. There are 19 players remaining in the game. Note that we are now on DAY PMs!

"The Corner"
2. WildZoo
3. Alohacat
35. SoV

The gang's safe house
6. FS
8. Allie
9. kcoughli

The police safe house
Evacuated for not being “safe”

The Police headquarters
16. Fireman
19. Ceph
20. Jayna

The Dark Alley ("Druggie's lane")
21. Dyachei
22. DVMD
23. LIS in his white panel van
25. Caia – El cantador, now?????

The weapon's house
26. Jilary
27.Caiter92
28. Katashark

The neutral zone
31. swiniazycie
32.Ashgirl
15. Animal Midwife

In Jail:
14. Gwenevre – El negociador
33.PBC – El matador
13. LadyOtheFarm –El Capo
17. Zensing – Pakhan
11. Finnick – Brigadier
5. Trilt – El Soldado

Dead:
12. Heyyimhayley – The neutral party
29. Rocky – Sovietnik
4. Devastating – The Private Investigator
10. Kam – Homeless Person
1. MJ – Prostitute converted to undercover cop prostitute
30. DocEspana – The Corrupt Politician
18. Stb – The guy selling watches out of his undercoat
34. Teepster – El arsenal turned undercover cop
24. Rojo – The corrupt Prosecutor
7. Cyndia – The Pedophile

NOTE THAT PLURALITY OCCURS AT 10!
 
Caia said:
And @StartingoverVet - explain why the eff you outed Trilt as inheriting my abilities in your PM dump last night.

Hopefully there is something helpful in what she did.
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1) cause everyone probably knew it in our gang which means the wolves knew it?
2) And if anything, having that ability should have kept trilt alive. Why would anyone want to kill someone with stored up investigations.
3) I was trying not to die, and TBH didn't think much about it.....
 
StartingoverVet said:
1) cause everyone probably knew it in our gang which means the wolves knew it?
2) And if anything, having that ability should have kept trilt alive. Why would anyone want to kill someone with stored up investigations.
3) I was trying not to die, and TBH didn't think much about it.....
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I thought it was obvious, but I also knew my rank as 8th and therefore knew the 10th would get my role. Maybe they weren't paying enough attention.
 
Caia said:
You did. 😡

Though it was a while ago when he killed Hayley. I was concerned he was turned with how long he lived after that. After yesterday though, I think he read pretty clearly as a villager.
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did not! Did I? How? I didn't even know it until he said it yesterday about bringing you back.

How do you out something you don't know?
 
Caia said:
You did. 😡

Though it was a while ago when he killed Hayley. I was concerned he was turned with how long he lived after that. After yesterday though, I think he read pretty clearly as a villager.
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Rojo accused me of that, but I didn't. One of the reasons I was suspicious of him.
I just speculated that he was the one that killed hayley, because he was given a gun, and he came on the thread and said "i support whoever killed hayley".

He never even admitted to doing that killing.

I don't know where the lawyer thing came from that.
 
not sure who to lynch. But sobsob has a tendency to expose when he's being lynched as a villager or wolf.

I know I wasn't clear on the fact that trilt had inherited those abilities.
 
StartingoverVet said:
did not! Did I? How? I didn't even know it until he said it yesterday about bringing you back.

How do you out something you don't know?
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Please don't be playing like DocE did last game. The lawyer was clearly the one who killed Hayley according to the write-up:

SummerTheLynx said:
A man approached Hayley, saying , “Hayley, some accusations have been made against you recently. The police are thinking of prosecuting you. I think that I may be able to help you, as I have been trying to help others. Would you have a second to talk?”

“Um, who are you again? Oh wait, yeah, I know who you are, you were involved in the….”

“Yes, I was. Too bad that it was unsuccessful. But anyway, we can go over your case, if you’ve got a minute.”

“It is kind of late, but as long as we are quick, I guess it would be okay.” They head into a building behind the man, and take the elevator on their right to the 13th floor. They head through a lobby and enter a door at the very end of a long hallway.

“So your file is right here. I will let you review it yourself.” Hayley takes the folder and opens it up, to find nothing but blank pieces of paper. “This is all just…”

*Bang* *Bang* *Bang* Bang*
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thedrjojo said:
BTW, I'm fine with whoever took out Hayley... She was more or less chaos imo and was going to be a question all game
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StartingoverVet said:
i thought it was you TBH.
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And thus you basically gave away he was the lawyer.

thedrjojo said:
I'll never tell... You can think what you want... I mean, I'm not above patting myself on the back without giving away my role, but :shrug:
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Then he pretty much admitted it.


So I imagine that's why he figured he might as well write that appeal statement about the affair and such with me since it was plainly obvious he was the lawyer anyway.
 
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the wire chatter from last night seems that one of rojo' two partners in his gang maybe aren't as trust worthy as he thought. But I have no clue who else is in his gang.
 
lynch FS

Just in case I can't check in later, SOV knows my role and ability and consider this me giving him permission to release it in case the vote swings back my way and I'm not around. If there is a wolf left in El Capo, it isn't me.
 
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