Infiltrated WW Game Thread

[Kam325]

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Things that actually happened:
1. Kam was given a gun.
2. Rojo verifies that the gun is being sent around anonymously nightly. Perfectly reasonable to image a role restriction requiring the gun be sent outside of the provider's gang.
3. Kam uses the gun on the lynch avoidant player everyone wants dead.
4. STL's write-up verifies that the gun was used on Hayley, and repeatedly refers to me as "the homeless man".

Conclusions drawn:
1. Kam is a cop, not a homeless man.
2. The wolves would go through the trouble of arranging a weapons transfer only to waste it attempting to kill a known non-villager.
3. Kam getting sent a gun likely means Kam is a wolf and the sender is a wolf. Because I guess in this scenario the wolves have to send guns anonymously to themselves in order to kill? It's clearly a nightly (or EON) ability, but let's just ignore that part entirely. Kam is a more suspicious target than the sender, somehow, because **** logic, right?

 

[LetItSnow]

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Considering you tally as well as a five year old, I can't say I care about your sympathy.

My 5 yr old would like you to know that he is insulted.


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[katashark]

I'm sorry I missed the lynch.

 

[Skimble]

I was the homeless man and tracker in a previous game also, so I hope the gangs spare Kam.

Btw - I'll be gone all day at a spay/neuter clinic, and if it's anything like last time, there won't be any time for me to break away until after I get home. So I'm going to put in a contingency lynch now based on mostly nothing.

Lynch teep

 

[StartingoverVet]

I think this lynch is idiotic, and was built and sold on a bunch of shoddy logic and arguments that were ultimately disproved but never revisited. Rojo comes out and says someone is sending the gun around outside of their gang, but somehow it's still me, the passive recipient, who is sketchy for having received the gun? Oh no, but at that point, it conveniently becomes more about a piss-poor reading of the write-up that just entirely manufactures an idea that it "hints" I am an undercover cop.

Those who were around and participating (and didn't seem to be promoting their own agendas) at the end of lynch said they believed I was village and didn't seem to want to lynch me, so I fell asleep hoping there were enough reasonable players voting in the gangs to keep me alive through the night. If it doesn't work, I hope people will look back at how SOV's reasons for lynching me conveniently changed as soon as Rojo provided evidence to contradict his initial suspicions.

Edit to add: twenty people voted for someone else, to the 8 that voted for me (many early on, without returning). So I think it's reasonable enough that I had some hope of surviving without having to spill all my beans.

This pretty much pisses me off.
You have a lot to learn, whether you are a wolf or a villager.

1) You don't attack the people who are accusing you, it just looks stupid and wolfy.
2) A defense of "your logic sucks" is not a defense, especially when it makes sense to a lot of other people.
3) When you are leading the lynch vote all day, you can't hold back info until 2:30 in the morning and think it will matter.

Those are all actions of a wolf.

I came out with info, other info came out that implicates you a little. That is how WW is done. Not going to apologize for it. Sometimes we are wrong, sometimes we get a wolf.

Implying that I am wolf for not believing you is comical. As if any wolf needs to go crazy stepping into the limelight on day 3 of a game that will last a month? Ha ha. They would just kill your butt if necessary. No, I pushed because your push-back was childish and defensive IMO. I figure 1 in 3 chance you are a wolf, and I will take those odds at the beginning of the game.

Sayonara.

 

[StartingoverVet]

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Considering you tally as well as a five year old, I can't say I care about your sympathy.

 

[thedrjojo]

I dunno, she hinted at an important role, doesn't take a genius to imagine what a homeless man can do... And she did defend herself against the attack with a logical defense and someone (me) supporting that some of her claims were legit.

I don't believe SOV is a wolf any more than I don't believe Kam is a wolf. And I'd hate for us to be 0/3 for actually lynching someone, but I'm not feeling it.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Night closed.... Results pending....

 

[SummerTheLynx]

The head of the largest gang in the city was shocked by what had gone on within his gang. He had vetted his gang members over and over again. Ran their social security numbers through police software. Ran their banking information to try and see if they were receiving any money from the cops. He knew he couldn’t give up his majority, THEY were the biggest gang, they would not succumb to being anything less than that.

He made several calls that night regarding a code red. Within 30 minutes, all TV outlets were playing a warning made by the gang that anyone found outside after midnight would be shot on contact by the gang. No ifs, ands or buts.

For obvious reasons, no one got anything done last night, the city was completely shut down.

It is day 4. Lynch/hit deadline is set for 8:30 pm est. There are 32 players remaining in the game. Note that there was movement last night, and that we are now on DAY PMs! Any actions submitted last night WILL NOT COUNT against your total # of actions available. Note that yesterday's hit is no longer active.

"The Corner"
1. MJ
2. WildZoo
3. Alohacat
4. Devastating
5. Trilt
34. Teepster
35. SoV

The gang's safe house
6. FS
7. Cyndia
8. Allie
9. kcoughli
10. Kam
22. DVMD

The police safe house
11. Finnick
12. Heyyimhayley
13. LadyOtheFarm
15. Animal Midwife

The Police headquarters
16. Fireman
17. Zensing
18. Stb
19. Ceph
20. Jayna

The Dark Alley ("Druggie's lane")
21. dyachei
23. LIS in his white panel van
24. Rojo

The weapon's house
26. Jilary
27.Caiter92
28. Katashark
29.rocky
30. DocEspana

The neutral zone
31. swiniazycie
32.Ashgirl

In Jail:
14. Gwenevre
33.PBC
25. Caia

Dead:
No one…

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Sorry for the delay on this and not closing it down earlier, the pm shutting things down came in at stupid o clock last night, and checked that pm thread last.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Super Official Lynch Tally
WZ (1): Lupin21
Swiniazycie (1): STL
Kata (1): BI
LoTF (1): Hazelmoo
LIS (1): SoV (Contingency)

 

[dyachei]

lynch rocky

 

[WildZoo]

lynch deva
mostly because I just can't get a read on her right now/don't have a good reason not to vote for her

I'm glad Kam didn't get murdered last night based on what she has said on the thread, but the lack of dead people is not making it easier to narrow things down.

 

[alohacat319]

••••lynch teepster•••••

 

[alohacat319]

Mine's a random vote unless we get better info.

 

[rockatiel]

Lynch SOV

Random for now

 

[Kam325]

I'm alive!

Most sure bet we have is that someone in the Spanish gang is a wolf, but they're clearly reluctant to lose one of their own, hence the push to kill me as a litmus test for their weapons supplier. Besides SOV, I don't really have a good idea who the other members are.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Super Official "You get a lynch vote and you get a lynch vote and everyone gets a lynch vote!!!" Lynch Tally
WZ (1): Lupin21
Swiniazycie (1): STL
Kata (1): BI
LoTF (1): Hazelmoo
LIS (1): SoV
Rocky (2): Dyachei, STB
Deva (3): Wildzoo, kata, trilt
Teepster (2): Aloha, Jilary
SoV (1): Rockatiel
Trilt (1): Finnickthedog

Voting: 10/32

 

[thedrjojo]

Is there still a hit out on Kam?

 

[Filly Bay]

Super Official "You get a lynch vote and you get a lynch vote and everyone gets a lynch vote!!!" Lynch Tally
WZ (1): Lupin21
Swiniazycie (1): STL
Kata (1): BI
LoTF (1): Hazelmoo
LIS (1): SoV (Contingency)
Rocky (1): Dyachei
Deva (1): Wildzoo
Teepster (1): Aloha
SoV (1): Rockatiel

Voting: 5/32

Jilary put in a contingency lynch vote for teep near the the top of the page too.

Lynch Rocky

minor feels.

 

[Filly Bay]

Is there still a hit out on Kam?

No, the write-up says the hit is no longer active.

 

[Trilt]

Is there still a hit out on Kam?

No according to bottom of write up.

darn, ninja'd helpfully.

 

[finnickthedog]

Lynch trilt

Random right now. Very likely to waffle.

 

[thedrjojo]

Kam not having an active hit is a bit sketchy

 

[katashark]

Lynch deva

 

[Trilt]

Kam not having an active hit is a bit sketchy

Why? Seems within the design that a hit goes out for just that night?

Lynch Deva for now.

 

[heyyimhayley]

Kam not having an active hit is a bit sketchy

Are you thinking it was possibly a wolf move to shut down the night in an attempt to save their buddy?

 

[thedrjojo]

We don't know for sure, but the fact the whole night was cancelled this early in the game on a night she was out for a hit, I don't think we can entirely dismiss as unrelated to her

 

[thedrjojo]

Are you thinking it was possibly a wolf move to shut down the night in an attempt to save their buddy?

I'm saying it has to be entertained and not forgotten about

 

[Trilt]

Unless the write up is a total feint, thinking that would imply the gang leader of the gang that's been getting killed left and right is a wolf, though. Still worth keeping in mind I suppose, but I feel it's slightly less likely.

 

[Kam325]

Seems much more likely to me that the gang whose members are getting picked off night after night needs to protect their numbers to maintain majority status. There are likely benefits associated with being the largest gang. Of course, it helps that I know it wasn't me, so I don't have to wonder.

 

[KCgophervet]

It would be strange for the wolves to have and use a night canceling action even if Kam was a wolf since she's unaffiliated. I assume they'd want to save an action like that for one of their infiltrators. I think it's more likely a villager saw Kams role claim and cancelled the night in order to save her from the hit. Either that or the Spanish gang did it to prevent losing another member

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[Filly Bay]

From rereading the rules from the first post, it sounds like there is a hit on the lynchee for just that night. I don't find it strange that there is no longer a hit on her. I don't deny that the night-cancellation was likely done to save Kam, but I don't think it would have been a wolf. I agree with kcough's logic here.

 

[WildZoo]

It does seem like a weird inconsistency that all other actions are treated like the night never occurred, but the hit isn't. Who knows though, could just be the way that particular role works.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I don't get why the leader would waste an ability like this last night. It's not like delaying one day is going to help...so either they had a reason they didn't want kam killed, or they didn't value saving a night stoppage, or....stupidity?

Wouldn't you save that for a night your gang member was up for being hit?

I want to point the finger inside, but worried that there is some reason I can't see and don't want to eff that up. I remain highly skeptical of the leader, but don't know who it is anyway...so....

I got nothing,

Even if the leader and kam were both wolfy, saving kam seems dumb unless kam is super important ...like a converter I guess. A lot of risk though.

Want to hold off till I hear more opinions.

 

[heyyimhayley]

I don't get why the leader would waste an ability like this last night. It's not like delaying one day is going to help...so either they had a reason they didn't want kam killed, or they didn't value saving a night stoppage, or....stupidity?

Wouldn't you save that for a night your gang member was up for being hit?

I want to point the finger inside, but worried that there is some reason I can't see and don't want to eff that up. I remain highly skeptical of the leader, but don't know who it is anyway...so....

I got nothing,

Even if the leader and kam were both wolfy, saving kam seems dumb unless kam is super important ...like a converter I guess. A lot of risk though.

Want to hold off till I hear more opinions.

This is pretty much exactly what is going through my head too. I would love if someone from that gang maybe wanted to explain.... Maybe if the leader talked to the gang about it, a lower rank could explain that without revealing who the leader is if the concern is they'll be wolf killed. Because otherwise I'm confused and feeling like I want to lynch Kam, which I didn't yesterday... So the plan super backfired whatever it was...

 

[KCgophervet]

I don't get why the leader would waste an ability like this last night. It's not like delaying one day is going to help...so either they had a reason they didn't want kam killed, or they didn't value saving a night stoppage, or....stupidity?

Wouldn't you save that for a night your gang member was up for being hit?

I want to point the finger inside, but worried that there is some reason I can't see and don't want to eff that up. I remain highly skeptical of the leader, but don't know who it is anyway...so....

I got nothing,

Even if the leader and kam were both wolfy, saving kam seems dumb unless kam is super important ...like a converter I guess. A lot of risk though.

Want to hold off till I hear more opinions.

So what I'm taking from this is that gang leaders can stop all night actions, maybe once per game? Could it be that they were afraid the wolves were coming for them next, and like Deva postulated earlier that would put a wolf in the leadership position of that gang?

 

[Kam325]

The head of the largest gang in the city was shocked by what had gone on within his gang. He had vetted his gang members over and over again. Ran their social security numbers through police software. Ran their banking information to try and see if they were receiving any money from the cops. He knew he couldn’t give up his majority, THEY were the biggest gang, they would not succumb to being anything less than that.

Reading the write-up, it seems to be spelled out in the first paragraph that the leader of the Spanish gang had watched his members get picked off night after night, and cancelled night because "he knew he couldn't give up his majority". Sounds like he anticipated they would lose another member tonight and needed to prevent it. I can see why people are suspicious, but I don't see why STL would have added all that if it didn't mean anything.

 

[heyyimhayley]

My phone is now autocorrecting lunch to lynch instead of the other way around ....

 

[StartingoverVet]

Yeah but.....if wolves were coming last night...they are still able to come tonight. It accomplishes nothing on the surface to me to delay one day.... And doesn't seem to me there is any great advantage to being #1 although I guess there must be.

 

[heyyimhayley]

I'm starting to side with SOV... a Kam lynch will probably at least get us some answers even if we're wrong about wolfiness. She mentioned earlier that she did not cause this, which is possible, but I would be very surprised if she were not THE cause (as in, her being lynched is the reason the gang leader made this night action).

lynch Kam

I don't love this, so I'm up for waffles if anyone has other information that can explain what happened last night.

 

[Trilt]

4pm on a weekend and we have just barely 1/3 of votes in. urgh. Kam seems to have given us what she's got, so I'd personally rather push someone else for a bit and have her as a solid back-up lynch. In any case, if everyone just continues sitting silently and waiting for people to volunteer info, we're going to get nowhere fast.

actually, gonna get there really freaking painfully slowly.

 

[Devastating]

No lynch, por favor. I don't want to reveal everything while it's this early in the day and I'm only leading by like 1 vote, but I'm an unaffiliated villager (with no "you are a villager" type text in my description).

I have no one in mind that wouldn't be a random shot so I'll keep reading before I make a decision.

 

[KCgophervet]

Yeah but.....if wolves were coming last night...they are still able to come tonight. It accomplishes nothing on the surface to me to delay one day.... And doesn't seem to me there is any great advantage to being #1 although I guess there must be.

Well I mean theoretically it gives us another day to lynch vote the wolf in the gang and prevent them from taking the #1 spot, and also prevents them from using the night cancelling action if/when they do inherit the top role in the gang if that's how it works.

That being said, we won't get anywhere if the gang members can't narrow down the list of wolf suspects. If you guys could find your infiltrator, that would be greeaaat.

In the meantime, if the villagers have a blocking ability through gangs, a solo villager blocker doesn't seem as likely.

So, if at first you don't succeed, try try again.

Lynch MJ

 

[DVMDream]

Lynch aloha I don't have any particular reason.

Definitely think wolves are hiding within gangs. Not saying that some can be unaffiliated, but for sure believe there are some hiding within gangs. Anyway, I'm not feeling the Kam thing currently.

I'm suspicious of SOV, but I always am, so hard to know if he is actually a wolf or not.

Just going with someone else that I haven't seen much from in my brief scroll throughs.

 

[thedrjojo]

Yeah, I stand by ###Lynch mad jack###

 

[Devastating]

Well unless something better comes along (suuure) I'll go ahead and hop this 'wagon since I voted him yesterday anyway, and I still don't see a real reason for going after Kam (though the cancellation does raise questions), and everyone else is a crapshoot. And to save my hide 😛

lynch MJ

 

[Glammyre]

lynch aloha

I'm not liking either MJ or Kam for lynch. I don't think aloha ever really explained things yesterday.

 

[Trilt]

Well I mean theoretically it gives us another day to lynch vote the wolf in the gang and prevent them from taking the #1 spot, and also prevents them from using the night cancelling action if/when they do inherit the top role in the gang if that's how it works.

That being said, we won't get anywhere if the gang members can't narrow down the list of wolf suspects. If you guys could find your infiltrator, that would be greeaaat.

In the meantime, if the villagers have a blocking ability through gangs, a solo villager blocker doesn't seem as likely.

So, if at first you don't succeed, try try again.

Lynch MJ

Are you calling the night cancellation blocking? Because that hurts as well as helps - especially when people don't know it's going to happen - not exactly the same as a village blocker... (who also hurts as well as helps, but side point).

 

[heyyimhayley]

Well I mean theoretically it gives us another day to lynch vote the wolf in the gang and prevent them from taking the #1 spot, and also prevents them from using the night cancelling action if/when they do inherit the top role in the gang if that's how it works.

That being said, we won't get anywhere if the gang members can't narrow down the list of wolf suspects. If you guys could find your infiltrator, that would be greeaaat.

In the meantime, if the villagers have a blocking ability through gangs, a solo villager blocker doesn't seem as likely.

So, if at first you don't succeed, try try again.

Lynch MJ

We know for sure the other blocks are for sure coming from gangs and not an individual like a wolf blocker? My hesitations on the MJ lynch have been that no one else has claimed responsibility for the other blocks... And (someone said this yesterday) it could be that they are a wolf who is afraid MJ will die villager and we'll have their head instead. But if the other blocks are gang actions then I am definitely up for the MJ lynch.