Ehhhh I mean I tend to baseline read him wolfy so take that with a grain of salt. Historically wolf!mayo, I've noticed, has been quite aggressive toward me, I suppose in a poking at LHF manner, so him TRing me at this point intrigues me. He's not my first priority.
if he's a wolf, there's no reading card involved? he already owns the book???
Sure, but the issue would be once Dubz was misyoten everyone would be staring into his soul for apparently misreading her.
..Why? How were you imagining your play would need to be different in order to do well in the champs setting vs a typical game here?
A bit, I am leaning to scum on her. I feel like she has spent most of the day defending and complaining which is rand>wolf
This looks....mathy. with the >. Are you mathing at me? You know that makes me nervous! Numbers is villains!
No math! Just would you say being defensive when being yoten is NAI for pippy?
it's nothavingagoodtime!pippy, so NAI. she might just be busy with family, she might be wolf, who knows! i'm choosing to village read her atm
That's what I thought. Thanks.
For fun for the most part tbh
I say this with love, pippy is prickly at baseline. We have had some nice V/V violence in literary and wizards.
I swear I didn't even read Literary 💀
that doesn't sound like wolf!dubz. she's patient and will read packmates as needed.
Can you talk more specifically about what you liked from samac in the early pages?
Tbh looking back at the games I’ve played with Pippy, idk if I’ve ever played with village Pippy?
I got her vig shot’d didn’t I? She was on my vote D1 and I said I thought she was the one who was the wolf on my vote and alley went pew
Wizards. You are wolf though.Tbh looking back at the games I’ve played with Pippy, idk if I’ve ever played with village Pippy?
gGoaTs she was SK
Worst Idea she was Goo (Black(Electric-Death Cult))
Madagascar she was Wolf
Zenge has a reading card, i.e. is known for reading her very well, and voted her. Things progressed after that.
Oh I guess I did play with village Pippy but I was wolfing and shorty killed me super early.
I'm not sure I agree with your worldview, but I like that it's internally consistent. (Like, it makes me think you're being genuine and not just setting up pushes)
I see we're entering year 3 of "I'm the victim - how I NKed my now-wife and got wrekt for my folly but claim I was wronged"
Well, thanks. I do try to be consistent with my insides.
Inb4 people are shocked to learn you two are married
I attempted to night kill you, and you blew up, killing us both. SMH.
I think everyone in this game knew that already except Wilgy
Inb4 Wilgy is shocked to learn you two are married
Did this come up because they’re also married?
I believe he did the same when he entered the thread. Instantly yote Pippy to join the leading wagon, yeah?
I was scrolling the player list to see who hadn't put any input in yet but I may have been thinking about Clementine
What do you think it is?
yeah, i'm ok with opening like that. but we're on page 22 now.
I'm not going to go on a vanity wagon, so what am I doing here? Am I pushing a wolf or saving a teammate?
i don't know, that's why i asked
nothing about nate screams wolfy. I felt his first posts to be off and make no sense. I have no strong scum read, only slots I am unsure of and that has done things I consider to be rand>w. He has taken pressure, fine, I guess? I felt his long silence after being sussed was wolfy too but here he is at last
Me and Zenge have both talked about it but she seems less invested and less direct than usual. A lot less interested in making pushes than in gently poking around and throwing bits of shade to see what sticks where.
No, it was intended for the thread. Zenge answered for me there lol
but his vote was never the only reason I was voting for you.Idk how you can actually say these 3 things in a row and not see the inconsistency lol I didn't poke at you in Literary, I chose you for my d1 target. I said "Hey, what if I go after samac", you can ask Zenge (it was in my out of phase chat).
My memory is that you voted with me on Clem and then on Veggie the next day. I think in both cases you were breaking ties? I'm not saying you're not allowed to be unsure, but I am also allowed to question you when something feels off.
I mean it hasn't really? How would it, she hadn't been saying anything. The only thing I've got is some rudimentary wagonomics stuff but I'm not good at pre-flip analysis. It doesn't feel like one of those easy d1 misyeets. She peaked at, what, 3 votes?
I enjoy that you're only 50/50 on your mothy read, but it's a major foundation for your read on me. Cool cool.
You said this about me last game. You went and looked through my previous D1s for this same reason literally last game. I told you then that I don't often have strong wolf reads d1 and that I tend to look more for village reads and go from there. Where the heck have I been throwing bits of shade to see what sticks?
Groce tbh
With JJJ, with Pippy, with samac.
Was this the wine talking?
This initial posture is fine. One could argue that Dubz hasn't quite approached samac this way in the time since.
I thought this was the right perspective for Dubz to have at the time, because I dove right into the game and should have looked different to anyone that played the previous game. I acknowledge that's not a strong point at this later stage of Day 1.
I could do without the wifomy smarm.Damn, I told Jay that if we took the opposite approach to what he did last game, no one would suspect
See above
This was directed at Zenge. Dubz did not shy away from the "reading card" thing. I kind of hate the whole concept of a "god read", and that is what this seems to be. Regardless, it's decent that Dubz got right out and called for it instead of waiting timidly for a mafia read to appear.
I don't really fault Dubz or anyone else for having initial doubts about the Pippy wagon. It was early and the case wasn't terribly developed.
These are consistent with the previous "sheep samac and/or Zenge" posture.
Dubz pivoted to suspicion of Pippy on the basis of a meta dive that I can't really relate to. I did not play or observe any of these games. The case made could be entirely valid. I acknowledge that digging around in old games is a tried and true means for mafia to get involved with the "nuanced" side of a hunt. It doesn't have to be so, but it could be.
Dubz was also kinda bored with the mothy wagon. Her initial takes on both Pippy and mothy were to express this general perspective. Clearly that changed with Pippy, but it does create a trend that Dubz is not just joyfully eating up any low-hanging fruit presented to her. If Dubz is mafia, perhaps this has implications about teammates -- but otherwise, the "agenda" seems to be one begging for nuance in vote selection.
This is [sort of] the start of Dubz deeper dig into samac. Just noting as I continue.
Dubz did indeed sheep Zenge as initially projected.
If I have been pocketed, then a post like this would be a concerted effort to create that world. I think what Dubz has to say here is perfectly valid and correct. There may be a bit of natural paranoia missing though given the way last game went.
samac uncertainty continued
Dubz tried to make it clear that sheeping Zenge was part of her Pippy vote, but not the only motivator (see the previous meta dive). I don't know that this is necessarily alignment-indicative either way.
Another deference to Zenge's reading card. Dubz at least portrayed an expectation that Zenge would town read her eventually. We'll have to determine if that expectation is reflected in her response to the read going the other direction.
Dubz ended up being more overtly suspicious of samac. That continues below.
I know but your initial vote there didn't have much substance, just kinda felt like a pressure vote without much push.
Idk. Just still looking for that village!samac spark
I'm not sure Dubz would view it as the best move, as mafia, to go after samac in a thread environment where most other vocal players are calling samac varying degrees of "town read". If anyone that knows Dubz better has reason to dispute that assumption then by all means do so. I'd find it kind of weird, and clearly it would have been a bad decision if it's what happened.
Dubz's reads were more closely matched with my own than anyone else (save halfway for Boquise who was "tied"). That doesn't have to mean anything either way, because I have agreed with mafia before and I have agreed with town even more often (probably "> rand", but I dunno). If she has pocketed me, then this is the literal data to evidence it. It's also perfectly possible that we have been seeing a similar game.
This was in reference to samac reading Zenge mafia. This inspires a completely unrelated question, but I will stick it at the bottom of this wall.
Dubz had sheeped Zenge and still doesn't seem to have a clear stance on him. She did say when the day started that she'd "use" that sheep to figure things out, so okay I suppose.
Rather blasé response to PSV's suspicion of her.
Dubz's read on samac is meta-driven, and it creates a bizarre meta web when combined with Zenge's suspicion of her. It's possible that someone in this triangle is just right, or it's possible that the unique "champs practice" atmosphere is interfering with radars.
One of my two disagreements with Dubz GTH was that she called Nate town, so this is odd.
Initial responses to Zenge voting for her and others joining the wagon. It doesn't really say much to me, it's token.
I guess losing the Reading Card means no more pressure at least but huh. I did not see that coming
Are you gonna actually talk to me about it @Zenge142 or do I just get care reacts?
Perhaps I am a sucker, but the emotion at the end there has a non-zero effect on me. I have no idea how these "reading card" dramas usually play out though.
I think this is reasonably true. I have no meta basis to say it's reflective of "town Dubz", so if there's meta to the contrary I can only shrug and defer to other SDN folks.
Dubz declined to suspect Zenge for this. That's mildly interesting given that Dubz did not have a clear read on Zenge prior -- this would seem to imply strong trust? Dubz, please correct me if not. I realize you're nearly post-capped too, so do it when you can.If I get misyoten and y'all turn around and vote Zenge out I will haunt you lol
But I also would prefer not the latter
Dubz hard vetoed a vote for me. If there's a pocket, then there you go. Mafia Dubz in this situation would be egging on the "Jay is my teammate" theory quite deliberately. Also perfectly plausible that she just doesn't think I am mafia.
Okay sure, explains the previous thing I found odd.
This list aligns with my POE sans-samac, so shrug.
