Nor'east Ski WWeekend (Basics) - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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lynch sporty

Make it a five way tie!

Also Im not buying the SOV lynch right now. Sell me on it, otherwise he has been playing pretty re-assuringly to me. Its like 75% the former (for lols of the tie) and 25% the latter (not liking the sobsob logic)

There are two other options on the board as well, why are you focusing on SOV so much?

Edit: oh I see you're questioning sporty about it. Carry on. Don't think sporty is a wolf though.

 

[Lawpy]

Day 8 Snowplow Works Best the Other Way Lynch Tally

Cray (1) - Ziggy
Dubz () -
Dina (1) - Dubz
SOV (1) - Sporty
DocE (1) - Dina
Sporty (1) - DocE

5/8 voting
A 5-way tie!

Lynch close at 10pm Eastern (6.5 hrs)

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

8 peeps, assuming 2 wolves even though I can't find when conversion happened
I think that means we're 2 days from lylo now

lynch dina

Who do you think her pack mate would be?

Do you think she is OG or convert?

 

[DocEspana]

There are two other options on the board as well, why are you focusing on SOV so much?

Edit: oh I see you're questioning sporty about it. Carry on. Don't think sporty is a wolf though.

Have i mentioned yet that editing on WW freaks me out haha

 

[WildZoo]

Who do you think her pack mate would be?

Do you think she is OG or convert?

OG. Haven't considered packmate yet because I'm not thinking about converts at the moment.

 

[WildZoo]

Have i mentioned yet that editing on WW freaks me out haha

Sounds like a personal problem 😉

 

[StartingoverVet]

Lynch wz

1) cause it makes a 6 way tie. Not strategic, just would love mods to figure that one out,
2) cause every day I come saying I am going to lynch wz and never do(in the end)
3) Dina somehow is moving up my list to try again,
4) DocE wants me to vouch for him, and he just confused me, which I have to admit, is pretty accurate for what I usually conclude from his wall of text. Jk. Kind of. Not really. Well maybe a little.
5) I have to teach ground class for a few hours, should be home in time to make a waffle or two as necessary.

 

[PippyPony]

1) cause it makes a 6 way tie. Not strategic, just would love mods to figure that one out,

Tie rules are in the opening post 😉

 

[WildZoo]

Lol let's get an 8 way tie going guys

 

[WildZoo]

If only we had already had the first tie, then we could do an 8 way and all die at the same time!

 

[DocEspana]

If only we had already had the first tie, then we could do an 8 way and all die at the same time!

I've always wanted to end the game with a suicide pact.

JDHs Norse gods game maaaaaay have ended with something like that. I think it was one wolf one chaos and one villager left and he just called it.

 

[PippyPony]

Day 8 Snowplow Works Best the Other Way Lynch Tally

Cray (1) - Ziggy
Dubz (1) - SOV
Dina (1) - Dubz
SOV (1) - Sporty
DocE (1) - Dina
Sporty (1) - DocE

6/8 voting
A 6-way tie!

Missing: @Crayola227 @Skimble

Lynch close at 10pm Eastern (5 hrs)

 

[WildZoo]

Skilary is gonna be pissed when she gets here

 

[PippyPony]

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Can I die in the tie, too?

😴
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[SportPonies]

@WildZoo you know that thing you said last night right before I moved off you? Were there implications there?

 

[DocEspana]

Day 8 Snowplow Works Best the Other Way Lynch Tally

Cray (1) - Ziggy
Dubz (1) - SOV
Dina (1) - Dubz
SOV (1) - Sporty
DocE (1) - Dina
Sporty (1) - DocE

6/8 voting
A 6-way tie!

Missing: @Crayola227 @Skimble

Lynch close at 10pm Eastern (5 hrs)

2.5 hours left. No one has said anything of merit except that I now really don't buy the SOV complaint. I know I'm gonna get no traction at this point with zigzag or Dinah (you're all crazy to doubt me. #docepride). So I know I just talked about not lynching Crayola but.... Crap... Nothing of merit happened today. I guess taking out the inactive and hoping we are lucky like I said in my previous post works out. If no one is going to act I'm going to do the only move that seems logical among the people left (and among people you will actually believe me on )

Plus my vote for sport was mostly just for the amusement of the infinity-way tie.

Unlynch sport. Lynch cray

 

[Skimble]

If anyone cares.... dont vote cray. I know its current at zero votes (one contigency pulled off of her), but there was some talk about this yesterday and I was hoping to see her response. At some level this is what she ALWAYS does. She checks in and then checks out and its just.... its just cray. I think the last time I saw her play much was when she was in warhammer and she had a raging nerd-on that game, so I get it. So she could be a wolf but, honestly, the slightly better math play is to leave her be until you have only one wolf left and then you can consider if she really seems more suspicious by being her usual highly inactive self.

She has been an inactive wolf before, but in those cases she got sniffed out eventually by process of elimination. but in this game? I just believe she is villager. Enough for me to suggest we dont jump down her throat for phoning it in. We can always come back to her because - and i admit this - its only a *slightly* better move to leave her be until closer to real end game.

What? Have you ever actually played with Cray? You couldn't be more wrong, and I'm shocked no one else has brought this up all day. Cray posts WALLS of text and multiple posts per day. I've seen her take up almost a whole page of the thread on her own. There is one thing that may lean her village in my mind, but I have to go back and look at the timing of some things, and I haven't had time to do that yet.

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I read this as "girlfriend waffles" and in my head was like "what is girlfriend flavor when it comes to waffles"
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{I thought the same thing}

So dolphin seems like a really weird kill choice to me because to me it basically means sov can't be an OG wolf

At least dubs has tried to defend herself. I'm getting tired of faulty logic and nonparticipation so I will

###unlynch dubs
Lynch cray###

Why does killing dolphin mean SOV can't be original?

I am so very torn about today.

Lynch docE

I don't like his logic, or flip flopping on cray.

 

[SportPonies]

I don’t really know where to go. My gut still says Dubz and also really would like to lynch the two veterans I’ve not played with but don’t have particularly good reasons to do so. Will do this til I get a response

Unlynch SOV
Lynch Dubz

 

[PippyPony]

Day 8 Snowplow Works Best the Other Way Lynch Tally

Cray (2) - Ziggy, DocE
Dubz (2) - SOV, Sporty
Dina (1) - Dubz
SOV (1) - Sporty
DocE (2) - Dina, Skim
Sporty () -

7/8 voting
a 3 way!

Missing: @Crayola227

Lynch close at 10pm Eastern (~2 hrs)

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

What? Have you ever actually played with Cray? You couldn't be more wrong, and I'm shocked no one else has brought this up all day. Cray posts WALLS of text and multiple posts per day. I've seen her take up almost a whole page of the thread on her own. There is one thing that may lean her village in my mind, but I have to go back and look at the timing of some things, and I haven't had time to do that yet.


{I thought the same thing}

Why does killing dolphin mean SOV can't be original?

I am so very torn about today.

Lynch docE

I don't like his logic, or flip flopping on cray.

Did you read my posts or no? There was a tie between Mel and sov. Dolphin broke the tie with one minute left. I can't imagine Mel staying on his tie vote there if Sov was also a wolf based upon the tie rules

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo you know that thing you said last night right before I moved off you? Were there implications there?

Just that I'm 100% village lol

 

[WildZoo]

2.5 hours left. No one has said anything of merit except that I now really don't buy the SOV complaint. I know I'm gonna get no traction at this point with zigzag or Dinah (you're all crazy to doubt me. #docepride). So I know I just talked about not lynching Crayola but.... Crap... Nothing of merit happened today. I guess taking out the inactive and hoping we are lucky like I said in my previous post works out. If no one is going to act I'm going to do the only move that seems logical among the people left (and among people you will actually believe me on )

Plus my vote for sport was mostly just for the amusement of the infinity-way tie.

Unlynch sport. Lynch cray

Why are you talking about getting no traction with your lynches when none of the lynches are getting traction and you're not even lynching the people you want to lynch? You literally just put a second vote on someone you say you don't want to lynch instead of putting a second vote on someone you say you do.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

 

[WildZoo]

I don’t really know where to go. My gut still says Dubz and also really would like to lynch the two veterans I’ve not played with but don’t have particularly good reasons to do so. Will do this til I get a response

Unlynch SOV
Lynch Dubz

Your gut said to lynch me for an entire game just a little while back and you were wrong then too. I don't think your gut understands me.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Did you read my posts or no? There was a tie between Mel and sov. Dolphin broke the tie with one minute left. I can't imagine Mel staying on his tie vote there if Sov was also a wolf based upon the tie rules

Or wait am I wrong about Dolphin looking back rn

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

unlynch cray
Lynch dubs

 

[Dinashadow]

Oooh tie.

Also has cray even checked in at all today? Not sure how to read her inactivity but it feels weird

 

[DocEspana]

What? Have you ever actually played with Cray? You couldn't be more wrong, and I'm shocked no one else has brought this up all day. Cray posts WALLS of text and multiple posts per day. I've seen her take up almost a whole page of the thread on her own. There is one thing that may lean her village in my mind, but I have to go back and look at the timing of some things, and I haven't had time to do that yet.


{I thought the same thing}

Why does killing dolphin mean SOV can't be original?

I am so very torn about today.

Lynch docE

I don't like his logic, or flip flopping on cray.

Are you smoking crack? While youre right about walls of text youre also missing my entire argument on her: she disappears in nearly every game. And once shes disappeared she is jist out of the game. Go back and see what I wrote very early today. I talked about all of this. I even said that her being silent once she misses a day is so common that I wouldnt (initially) suggest lynching her. But in a situaiton where no one except zigjag and dinah are calling out to me (and no one is listening to me on this), an inactive player is better than other options of people who seem to all be playing legit to me.

 

[DocEspana]

Why are you talking about getting no traction with your lynches when none of the lynches are getting traction and you're not even lynching the people you want to lynch? You literally just put a second vote on someone you say you don't want to lynch instead of putting a second vote on someone you say you do.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Because every time I talk about them I get **** from everyone top to bottom. Im not going to go teeth bared against them if everyone else is telling me im wrong because I know Im then late one to the game here. Im not getting lynched by people grumpy at me not listening to them to not go after dinah and zigjag.

 

[Karabiner13]

Day 8 Snowplow Works Best the Other Way Lynch Tally

Cray (1) - DocE
Dubz (3) - SOV, Sporty, zigzag
Dina (1) - Dubz
SOV (1) - Sporty
DocE (2) - Dina, Skim
Sporty () -

7/8 voting
@WildZoo is in the lead!

Missing: cray

Lynch close at 10pm Eastern (~1 hr)

 

[WildZoo]

Well I'm not making a ****ing lynch tracker while drunk if y'all are just gonna be idiots and lynch me

 

[DocEspana]

you all keep calling me trying to vote pragmatically flip flopping I just dont get. Maybe I play differently than you all and I actually can be suspicious of one person but still think shaping the final decision is more important. But if you all want to see the old DocE, then you got it.

unlynch cray
lynch dinah

Time for old school DocE.

@Dinashadow, why were you out there throwing out super early and logic-free votes every day as if you were phoning it in for the middle of the game. But now when youre under the micrscope a bit from me youre suddenly around enough to post? Why the crappy play at the start of the day.

Hell Im not expecting an answer. I just want you to talk. Give me info. Let me know who you are and show your furry coat if you have one.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Oooh tie.

Also has cray even checked in at all today? Not sure how to read her inactivity but it feels weird

It's not a tie anymore

I looked through some old things and feel confident in my vote atm. Almost all of us have called dubs sketch at one point or another, yet here she still remains. I have some heavy village leans and I don't like some of the votes going on. This will be hard to explain but... I think dubs is super fishy. I've brought up several points but I will try to condense
- That nonsense voting d3 really achieved getting Mel and Coffee both not lynched
- I asked if anyone wanted to switch to coffee and no one would. Dubs was online (as was sporty and sov but they have much more village points from me atm
- Dubs literally just followed a random Lynch to Dina yesterday, then followed a vote to MSU. She didn't really articulate why she felt people were sketchy till other people were already voting for.
- She has heavily defended me, and at this point I think it's a pocket
- Her not voting for Mel when he was lynched looks bad
- I could keep coming up with reasons but I have basically no points in the village category for her so I would like her to go

 

[DocEspana]

you all keep calling me trying to vote pragmatically flip flopping I just dont get. Maybe I play differently than you all and I actually can be suspicious of one person but still think shaping the final decision is more important. But if you all want to see the old DocE, then you got it.

unlynch cray
lynch dinah

Time for old school DocE.

@Dinashadow, why were you out there throwing out super early and logic-free votes every day as if you were phoning it in for the middle of the game. But now when youre under the micrscope a bit from me youre suddenly around enough to post? Why the crappy play at the start of the day.

Hell Im not expecting an answer. I just want you to talk. Give me info. Let me know who you are and show your furry coat if you have one.

to clarify: "shaping the final decision by voting for a potential vote leader is more important."


Realized my phrasing was somewhat unclear.

 

[WildZoo]

Because every time I talk about them I get **** from everyone top to bottom. Im not going to go teeth bared against them if everyone else is telling me im wrong because I know Im then late one to the game here. Im not getting lynched by people grumpy at me not listening to them to not go after dinah and zigjag.

Dina was the other wagon yesterday, was she not? That doesn't seem like as much resistance as you're making it out to be to me.

 

[DocEspana]

Dina was the other wagon yesterday, was she not? That doesn't seem like as much resistance as you're making it out to be to me.

Yeah but everyone gave me **** for it and then sort of wagoned her out of the blue not for my reasoning. Plus my real hard on is for zigjag. But Im not going to stop being pragmatic and vote for the person with no votes at all. At least this way I might actually knock out one of them finally and feel one step closer to makijng my point that their similar play mid-game was fishy as hell.

 

[WildZoo]

It's not a tie anymore

I looked through some old things and feel confident in my vote atm. Almost all of us have called dubs sketch at one point or another, yet here she still remains. I have some heavy village leans and I don't like some of the votes going on. This will be hard to explain but... I think dubs is super fishy. I've brought up several points but I will try to condense
- That nonsense voting d3 really achieved getting Mel and Coffee both not lynched
- I asked if anyone wanted to switch to coffee and no one would. Dubs was online (as was sporty and sov but they have much more village points from me atm
- Dubs literally just followed a random Lynch to Dina yesterday, then followed a vote to MSU. She didn't really articulate why she felt people were sketchy till other people were already voting for.
- She has heavily defended me, and at this point I think it's a pocket
- Her not voting for Mel when he was lynched looks bad
- I could keep coming up with reasons but I have basically no points in the village category for her so I would like her to go

What the **** are you talking about?
What got coffee and mel not lynched d3 was them switching their votes off of each other

I posted the entirety of my reads list a couple days ago. I had on there that I had nothing to push MSU village. That did not change. I also said yesterday that I was soft clearing people on the mel vote the day that coffee was actually lynched, because it wouldn't make sense to risk him going down when we already knew coffee was a wolf. And oh, by the way, once again, I started the push for mel after coffee's fake seer claim.

I've been village reading you because I ****ing think you are village

 

[WildZoo]

I don't know how many times I have to tell people that if I'm wolfing and I decide to bus a teammate I stick with it. I had this same argument with pip last game. I don't half ass it. For christ's sake. If you've narrowed down your options and what you're left with is me, it's time to reevaluate.

 

[Stroganoff]

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[Karabiner13]

Day 8 Snowplow Works Best the Other Way Lynch Tally

Cray () -
Dubz (3) - SOV, Sporty, zigzag
Dina (2) - Dubz, DocE
SOV (1) - Sporty
DocE (2) - Dina, Skim
Sporty () -

7/8 voting
dubz is in the lead!

Missing: cray

Lynch close at 10pm Eastern (~1 hr)

 

[WildZoo]

Yeah same. It would not be smart to do as a wolf

Dolphin I'm fine with. Cheezit I am side eyeing because it seems like the kind of thing he would do.

I also kind of feel like how I felt in Orchestra and well...need I say more?


Yeah. Which is exactly why it might be brilliant.

Contingency Lynch SOV

I'm not touching this Coffee/Ziggy/Dolphin cluster****

Why are you including dolphin in this? She did exactly what you did. Just, you know. Better.

Yesterday's lynch is gonna be a thing of beauty

@Animal Midwife when am I allowed to lynch mel?

Really you don't think the person she claims to have seered and found villager is worth investigating as well? You're tunneling.

Why would we even pay attention to that at all?

We're looking at a bunch of WIFOM's and I figured this one was the easiest to start with.

Or. We could ignore everything an outted wolf says.

I still wanna lynch skim but for the moment I'll

unlynch skim lynch cheezit

can't get over how fake his reaction to coffee felt, or how groce it is that he's encouraging us to do anything based on her fake seer results. It's the worst kind of WIFOM and impossibke to analyze.

Hey @Melchizedek maybe this is the WIFOM you should start with

15. @Melchizedek - have a weird feel. lynch if no woof produced in 24 hrs. AM is making me feel bad so I'll leave him alone for the moment. <--- still can't prove that he hasn't produced a woof because i won't let him lynch SOV lol but my soul feels he's a wolf, and my soul must be satisfied.

Covfefe
Skim
Cheezit

Grebes --> Cray
Sporty

MSU

Killer
SOV
SAR
Dina
MJ
zig

Dolph
Dubz

I just don't see Mel being a wolf in how it went down last night. Imo as a wolf it would be way smarter to wait and see how the reveal went and match other villager reactions. You know that if Ziggy flipped village we'd go for Coffee next and Mel would also look susp for leading the move away from Coffee then. Just doesn't seem like a good woof move to me. They knew Coffee was likely to go down, so I'd be suspicious of them trying to gain village cred of helping with that

It felt like a poorly executed attempt to clear him based on this exact line of thought.

Seriously read his posts after that reveal. They feel so insincere. And him bringing up the WIFOM that can't be solved reminds me of when he was converted in Colorado and wouldn't let go of Kara's outted posts.

Isn't it a little, idk...too on the nose for my wolfing?
She claimed seer - Pretty good reason to waffle off in any scenario unless there's a counter claim
She "confirmed" my read on ZJ - Fine, I'll admit it, I got pocketed on this one. I was just so ready to lynch someone that I'd been (admittedly) tunneling on.

I was a counterwagon to her the day before yesterday, why wouldn't she vote for me hoping that my wagon would take off? Lord knows enough of you are ready to lynch me at the drop of a hat, and have said so 🙄

The WIFOM I was referring to was the fact that she decided to claim she had seered zig, which was obviously bogus, instead of the person she was already lynching

I honestly didn't think that through. I read Seer, ZJ, Wolf, and saw red.

Also, all of you know that if I was a wolf, I'd drag AM to end game with me, and let her die on her sword defending me. There's just some things that make this game more fun and keeping AM around is one of them regardless of how she's reading me.

How would we know that?

In Colorado you killed her as soon as you were converted
In TLM, Meat, and Michigan you died long before endgame

I could be forgetting a game but I have no evidence to show that you actually keep AM alive that long because you don't usually live long enough as a wolf to make that argument Sure, I count you out if AM is in the first 2-3 kills, but we're past that.

Lol thats true, I killed her as a convert because I knew her head would explode after that strong village bloc we had going in PM's
She was the only person actively defending me. I get much more utility out of her sticking around than I do with her dead.


Alright I see where this is going. None of you are processing what I'm saying, just knee-jerk refuting it.
I'm honestly starting to get frustrated with these games because I either die super early or people get fixated on me being sketchy and then tunnel to make things fit that theory without considering alternatives.

Y'all have my reads, I was back on reading D2, but I don't care at this point.

Lynch Coffee for self-prez and hoping its only a x1 lynch avoidance.

TTFN

I don't think you get to say anything about tunnels after yesterday lol

For those who can't read for themselves. No village points my ass.

 

[Dinashadow]

you all keep calling me trying to vote pragmatically flip flopping I just dont get. Maybe I play differently than you all and I actually can be suspicious of one person but still think shaping the final decision is more important. But if you all want to see the old DocE, then you got it.

unlynch cray
lynch dinah

Time for old school DocE.

@Dinashadow, why were you out there throwing out super early and logic-free votes every day as if you were phoning it in for the middle of the game. But now when youre under the micrscope a bit from me youre suddenly around enough to post? Why the crappy play at the start of the day.

Hell Im not expecting an answer. I just want you to talk. Give me info. Let me know who you are and show your furry coat if you have one.

So if you're saying my previous votes were logic free does that infer that my vote for you today is logical?

I don't see it the way you do. And I've definitely posted more than I have today in previous days. I've basically been under your microscope since you started so it's been more than just today. I'm voting for you because of the reasons I stated before.

 

[Dinashadow]

It's not a tie anymore

I looked through some old things and feel confident in my vote atm. Almost all of us have called dubs sketch at one point or another, yet here she still remains. I have some heavy village leans and I don't like some of the votes going on. This will be hard to explain but... I think dubs is super fishy. I've brought up several points but I will try to condense
- That nonsense voting d3 really achieved getting Mel and Coffee both not lynched
- I asked if anyone wanted to switch to coffee and no one would. Dubs was online (as was sporty and sov but they have much more village points from me atm
- Dubs literally just followed a random Lynch to Dina yesterday, then followed a vote to MSU. She didn't really articulate why she felt people were sketchy till other people were already voting for.
- She has heavily defended me, and at this point I think it's a pocket
- Her not voting for Mel when he was lynched looks bad
- I could keep coming up with reasons but I have basically no points in the village category for her so I would like her to go

Why do you think everyone is trying to pocket you? Because they read you village?

 

[WildZoo]

Also, can we get a sub for our sub? Because I don't feel like cray is doin any more than grebes was here.

 

[Skimble]

I’m not feeling the dubz votes. I hope I’m not wrong about her, but those are my feels.

 

[Skimble]

Also, can we get a sub for our sub? Because I don't feel like cray is doin any more than grebes was here.

Maybe @grebes4lyfe can sub back in? I thought she said she’d have more time after this weekend? @PippyPony ?

 

[PippyPony]

Maybe @grebes4lyfe can sub back in? I thought she said she’d have more time after this weekend? @PippyPony ?

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Sorry, this will not be possible
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[ziggyandjazzy]

I’m not feeling the dubz votes. I hope I’m not wrong about her, but those are my feels.

Go look at the Lynch end n3 and tell me that wasn't suspect af

 

[Karabiner13]

30 minutes remaining

 

[Dinashadow]

Go look at the Lynch end n3 and tell me that wasn't suspect af

Do you feel the same about SOV's votes that day?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Day 3 Cat Skijoring is the New Dogsledding Lynch Tally

SOV (1) - Mel
Dubz () -
Sporty () -
killer (1) - SOV
capri (4) - Dina, grebes, MJ, mutts
MJ () -
Grebes (1) - skim
Mel (3) - dolphin, coffeebean, WZ
Coffeebean (5) - AM, killer, SAR, capri, Sporty
Mutts (3) - BarkBark, MSU, zigzag

18/18 voting
coffeebean you are in the lead!

Missing:

Lynch closes at 10pm Eastern (46 min)

coffee ahead by 1

Unlynch coffee
Lynch Mel

sporty makes it even coffee and mel

Day 3 Cat Skijoring is the New Dogsledding Lynch Tally

SOV (1) - Mel
Dubz () -
Sporty () -
killer (1) - SOV
capri (4) - Dina, grebes, MJ, mutts
MJ () -
Grebes (1) - skim
Mel (4) - dolphin, coffeebean, WZ, Sporty
Coffeebean (4) - AM, killer, SAR, capri
Mutts (3) - BarkBark, MSU, zigzag

18/18 voting
A tie?

Missing:

Lynch closes at 10pm Eastern (38 min)

###Unlynch Mutts###
###Lynch Mel###

Hope this doesn't suck

Sent from my Pixel 2 using SDN mobile

MSU puts mel ahead

Then I missed it but WZ unlynched mel

Day 3 Cat Skijoring is the New Dogsledding Lynch Tally

SOV (1) - Mel
Dubz () -
Sporty () -
killer () -
capri (4) - Dina, grebes, MJ, mutts
MJ () -
Grebes (1) - skim
Mel (5) - dolphin, coffeebean, WZ, Sporty, MSU
Coffeebean (4) - AM, killer, SAR, capri
Mutts (3) - BarkBark, zigzag, SOV

18/18 voting
No tie 🙁


Missing:

Lynch closes at 10pm Eastern (26 min)

I don't even know anymore. I didn't put you in the lead though.

lynch sporty

probably staying here so I don't cause any more trouble. Let the people who have their brain turned on figure things out.

Think about it, the wolves really would've wanted mel alive d4 so he could get his second shot. dolphin, MSU, and sporty were the only ones still voting for him

Could be wrong, but these are my strongest feels atm.