Nova Southeastern Univ (NSU-COM) Discussion Thread 2012 - 2013

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azide10 said:
Why is this though? The tuition doesn't really blow anyone elses out of the water does it? And the area can't be more expensive to live in than say chicago or ny. I just don't see how it could be so high.
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It baffles me too. But it's the average 2011 graduate's indebtedness nonetheless 🙁
 
crozeski said:
we goin to south beach bitches!!! anybody know some good places in miami for drinks after the interview?
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lol are you more happy that you'll be around miami or the fact you have a chance to be a doctor?
 
I'm going to the September 13th interview. I'm an OOS from CA. First interview and I'm super excited! I'll actually be staying until Sunday morning and will be renting a car, because it takes me a good day to fly back anyways and I want to explore the area a bit for the weekend. So if anyone is planning to stay around on Friday or Saturday, let's hang out!
 
Those of us interviewing on the 28th should start a separate thread or FB page and get together for some drinks or dinner afterwards. Anyone?
 
+1 Aug 28, interview....ill get a drink afterwords
 
Awesome, I think it can also work as a great networking tool for all of us. Perhaps we can get more specific once we get a little closer to the date.
 
Does the debt include undergraduate/graduate loans that are not affiliated with Nova?
 
If anyone is interviewing on 8/30, PM me and we can get some drinks or dinner or something. I'm not from Davie but my girlfriend lives there so I know of some pretty good places. Plus, I think it will be good to get rid of some of the nerves.
 
UCFKnight said:
If anyone is interviewing on 8/30, PM me and we can get some drinks or dinner or something. I'm not from Davie but my girlfriend lives there so I know of some pretty good places. Plus, I think it will be good to get rid of some of the nerves.
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Going to a med school interview with a mild buzz....Watch out for DWI now... Drunk while interviewing....
 
macho07 said:
Does the debt include undergraduate/graduate loans that are not affiliated with Nova?
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Not sure. But either way, it doesnt matter because we're comparing averages and the same criteria would be applied to each school (supposedly).
 
toxicwombat said:
Not sure. But either way, it doesnt matter because we're comparing averages and the same criteria would be applied to each school (supposedly).
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Also, all of the values in the CIB are "self-reported." It does not tell us how many people had parents paying for their education, how many actually had the military HPSP (i.e. zero debt) and how many of their students actually responded to that specific survey. Each of these things could drastically change the value. Plus the idea that a lot of these schools report anywhere close to or less than $200K is evidence that the values are skewed. How can a class of 150 students REALLY all have only $200K in debt when they've just completed 4 years at $40-45K a year for tuition then $20K for living expenses. That STILL comes out to $240-260K (and that is a very low estimate on living expenses especially if you have a family like me).

I take these values with a grain of salt, as there is no way to verify that they are a true representation of the average joe in the class.
 
abolt18 said:
Also, all of the values in the CIB are "self-reported." It does not tell us how many people had parents paying for their education, how many actually had the military HPSP (i.e. zero debt) and how many of their students actually responded to that specific survey. Each of these things could drastically change the value.
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I'll do a more thorough analysis later, but for now:

Skew? Yes.
Disproportion skew? Unlikely.

Again, we're comparing averages here. I'm not saying that if you go to NSU you will automatically come out with exactly 290k in debt. That obviously isn't' true. However it is fairly safe to say that, on average, you will graduate with a significant increased burden of debt than had you attended LECOM-B, with the difference being over 100k.

160k vs 290k is practically significant data. Yeah, it would be super nice to know the standard deviation, but there's no way in hell the SD would exceed 50k.

As for HPSP... yeah there are probably a higher percentage of NSU students receiving military scholarships but, if anything, that would be lowering the school's average student indebtedness, not raising it, so my point still stands.

I take these values with a grain of salt, as there is no way to verify that they are a true representation of the average joe in the class
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Yeah, take it with a saltshaker, but if your purpose is to simply compare schools' financial drain (as opposed to thoroughly analyzing an individual institution's burden), it's still very useful information.

And it is much much much more useful than simply comparing baseline tuition costs, which fails to take into account many factors which, while taken individually may be almost negligible, but when combined can very significantly alter one's debt.
 
toxicwombat said:
I'll do a more thorough analysis later, but for now:

Skew? Yes.
Disproportion skew? Unlikely.

Again, we're comparing averages here. I'm not saying that if you go to NSU you will automatically come out with exactly 290k in debt. That obviously isn't' true. However it is fairly safe to say that, on average, you will graduate with a significant increased burden of debt than had you attended LECOM-B, with the difference being over 100k.

160k vs 290k is practically significant data. Yeah, it would be super nice to know the standard deviation, but there's no way in hell the SD would exceed 50k.

As for HPSP... yeah there are probably a higher percentage of NSU students receiving military scholarships but, if anything, that would be lowering the school's average student indebtedness, not raising it, so my point still stands.



Yeah, take it with a saltshaker, but if your purpose is to simply compare schools' financial drain (as opposed to thoroughly analyzing an individual institution's burden), it's still very useful information.

And it is much much much more useful than simply comparing baseline tuition costs, which fails to take into account many factors which, while taken individually may be almost negligible, but when combined can very significantly alter one's debt.
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My point about the HPSP is that you don't know if the school is including those with 0 debt in their calculation of average indebtedness. For all we know they are just averaging every student at LECOM B while at NSU they are only considering those with greater than 0 debt (which would knock a few off and obviously raise the average significantly). My POINT is that these values do not tell us how they arrived at the numbers: was it done by survey? How many students responded to that survey? Or is it data provided by the Financial Aid office? Are they considering $0 debt students (i.e. scholarship or blessed with wealthy family) in that calculation? None of the schools provide more information than simply the number as far as I've seen. Therefore no real conclusion can be made based on this average number they give us.

I'm only trying to make people realize that these numbers do not necessarily reflect the actual value (for the good or the bad) or calculate the value in the same manner.

There is no contest that Bradenton has lower tuition (this is one of LECOM's favorite things to say to everyone) which will lead to less debt. Simply saying the amount of debt reported for the CIB is not necessarily the truest indicator.
 
abolt18 said:
My point about the HPSP is that you don't know if the school is including those with 0 debt in their calculation of average indebtedness. For all we know they are just averaging every student at LECOM B while at NSU they are only considering those with greater than 0 debt (which would knock a few off and obviously raise the average significantly). My POINT is that these values do not tell us how they arrived at the numbers: was it done by survey? How many students responded to that survey? Or is it data provided by the Financial Aid office? Are they considering $0 debt students (i.e. scholarship or blessed with wealthy family) in that calculation? None of the schools provide more information than simply the number as far as I've seen. Therefore no real conclusion can be made based on this average number they give us.

I'm only trying to make people realize that these numbers do not necessarily reflect the actual value (for the good or the bad) or calculate the value in the same manner.

There is no contest that Bradenton has lower tuition (this is one of LECOM's favorite things to say to everyone) which will lead to less debt. Simply saying the amount of debt reported for the CIB is not necessarily the truest indicator.
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True. I confess that I was assuming AACOMAS was assembling this data from student surveys, in which case the average would indeed be significant. If the schools are doing so, then yeah it could be seriously skewed. Either way, that 290k is steep.

Anyway, I will be sure to more thoroughly research this topic and report back...
 
Wow, I can't believe the hostility here. I truly hope that this isn't indicative of the type of people that apply to this school. I would like to work with individuals that can put their ego away and speak intelligently to help each other versus belittling each other. Come on guys, we are all going to drink after the interviews, which should be our first worry at this point, not the amount of average debt students leave a school who hasn't accepted us yet.😀
 
macho07 said:
Wow, I can't believe the hostility here. I truly hope that this isn't indicative of the type of people that apply to this school. I would like to work with individuals that can put their ego away and speak intelligently to help each other versus belittling each other. Come on guys, we are all going to drink after the interviews, which should be our first worry at this point, not the amount of average debt students leave a school who hasn't accepted us yet.😀
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There definitely was no belittling as neither of us insulted the other in any way and I'd even say I sensed no hostility. Also, in what way was there unintelligent conversation?

Simply a healthy argument in which each side presented their perspective.
 
macho07 said:
Wow, I can't believe the hostility here. I truly hope that this isn't indicative of the type of people that apply to this school. I would like to work with individuals that can put their ego away and speak intelligently to help each other versus belittling each other. Come on guys, we are all going to drink after the interviews, which should be our first worry at this point, not the amount of average debt students leave a school who hasn't accepted us yet.😀
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Are you referring to the financial comments above? I'm sorry -- that wasn't intended to be the slightest bit hostile. But I realize that with all the quoting and bold-ing it probably looked that way -- my apologies. This is the downside of typed text / forums.


As for the "ego" comment... 😕
 
toxicwombat said:
Are you referring to the financial comments above? I'm sorry -- that wasn't intended to be the slightest bit hostile. But I realize that with all the quoting and bold-ing it probably looked that way -- my apologies. This is the downside of typed text / forums.


As for the "ego" comment... 😕
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:laugh: I wondered the same thing haha
 
Anyone on sept 6th?
I'm gonna have to hit the beach all by my lonesome. Lol
 
Since the August 3 round of interview invites, has anyone received invite? Also has anyone received an invite who was complete around July 30?
 
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I sent in my secondary on July 27th and no word yet. Maybe they haven't gotten around to us yet. (I'm hoping!)
 
k4694069 said:
Since the August 3 round of interview invites, has anyone received invite? Also has anyone received an invite who was complete around July 30?
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I was complete around July 30th, received an interview invite August 6th.
 
Judging by the way things are going it looks like I might be the only one interviewing on September 11th lol... yikes...
 
heybigA said:
Judging by the way things are going it looks like I might be the only one interviewing on September 11th lol... yikes...
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LOL I wouldn't want to fly on that day, especially since I'm flying out of Washington D.C. :scared:
 
Hey got my interview on 8/30 too, thinking about sticking around that night since we are in a sweet area, message me if ur trying to go out after the after the 8/30 interview
 
heybigA said:
Judging by the way things are going it looks like I might be the only one interviewing on September 11th lol... yikes...
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Nahh I'm going on that day too. Just finished booking my hotel and went to check SDN.

If anyone else applied to a lot of school, using hotels.com to book might not be a bad idea. I figured getting a free night and saving 100$ or so would be nice.
 
Congrats to those getting recent invites! I'm thinking of becoming one of the student ambassadors that shows y'all around the school, etc. Not sure how soon I will be able to become one but I'd love to meet all the interviewees!
 
Just an FYI Nova has a special discount for some hotels.. I booked the holiday inn express and it was $59 per night!
 
JaBoomDay said:
LOL I wouldn't want to fly on that day, especially since I'm flying out of Washington D.C. :scared:
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Ya I'm coming from Oregon so I feel like that won't be as relevant.... we mostly just have trees and Nike headquarters lol
 
heybigA said:
Just an FYI Nova has a special discount for some hotels.. I booked the holiday inn express and it was $59 per night!
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Have you received the interview day schedule yet? Mine started around 9. Traffic here sucks big time. Plan accordingly.
 
MusicJunkie said:
I sent in my secondary on July 27th and no word yet. Maybe they haven't gotten around to us yet. (I'm hoping!)
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Yeah I called today and they said its being reviewed so hopefully something soon. 🙂
 
NeuroLAX said:
Congrats to those getting recent invites! I'm thinking of becoming one of the student ambassadors that shows y'all around the school, etc. Not sure how soon I will be able to become one but I'd love to meet all the interviewees!
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PM me if you want to meet a group of us before the 8/30 interview. I'll send you my number and we can plan accordingly.
 
NeuroLAX said:
Have you received the interview day schedule yet? Mine started around 9. Traffic here sucks big time. Plan accordingly.
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No but I was looking into the schedule from last year and apparently there is a shuttle that leaves at 7:30 and gets you there by 8 since the school is only a mile away. An hour early might be excessive because some people took the 8:30 one.. worst case scenario I can put on some sneakers and run! lol
 
Hmm I was wondering where the interview is going to be held at? Is it at the Terry Building first floor?

Also, does everyone have a DO letter? I talked to a DO and he had said he would write a letter, but it's been 3 months and he kind of just stopped talking to me. Not sure why but I'm prob just gonna have to submit an MD letter instead. :scared:

Edit: This is after trying through email, phone, etc. a bunch of times to just get in contact with him over the past 2 months.
 
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