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Here's my story - .
I got provisionally accepted 11/24 after interviewing on 11/18 and still haven't received the acceptance letter. I got worried about the approaching 12/14 deposit due date so I called Linda on 12/11 and paid via cc through her and she was able to provide me with my NSU ID # and assurance that I was in fact accepted and that my seat was secured. She told me that my cc wouldn't be billed until sometime in January because the info doesn't get passed along til after the new year. My status in Webstar did, however, change almost immediately after I got off the phone with her.
Hope that helps some of you guys out!
I got provisionally accepted 11/24 after interviewing on 11/18 and still haven't received the acceptance letter. I got worried about the approaching 12/14 deposit due date so I called Linda on 12/11 and paid via cc through her and she was able to provide me with my NSU ID # and assurance that I was in fact accepted and that my seat was secured. She told me that my cc wouldn't be billed until sometime in January because the info doesn't get passed along til after the new year. My status in Webstar did, however, change almost immediately after I got off the phone with her.
Hope that helps some of you guys out!
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Anybody know if the ADCOM is reviewing files today?
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It's ok. It made me laugh.
So they lost the check but not my letter of intent + other forms. The check was stapled to the letter of intent. How does that get lost?
But whatever, I charged it. Good thing my bank upped my credit limit last year. When I started out with the card, my limit wasn't high enough for me to charge my books for one semester!
I am freaking out, I need to decide on a school by Friday. I noticed that NOVA only allows 5 elective rotations 2 max in same specialty, and the other DO school I'm deciding on only allows 4 and 2 respectively. However, the MD school I'm looking at allows 8 electives and requires 5 in the same field. Why is their this difference. I'm interested in Ortho and am worried I won't be able to match if I can only do 2 audition/electives in that field. Is this a problem or do people usually get what they want regardless of this. Please provide some insight I'm desperate.
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Yes the admissions committee meets today and the letters will be signed by the dean tomorrow.
Do any of the current students know much about the MPH program or the OPP fellowship? Also, how helpful are the professors/administration? I went to a small high school and then huge university and there was quite the difference in how I was treated.
Dr. Roast- I feel your pain... big decision to make by friday!
Do any of the current students know much about the MPH program or the OPP fellowship? Also, how helpful are the professors/administration? I went to a small high school and then huge university and there was quite the difference in how I was treated.
Dr. Roast- I feel your pain... big decision to make by friday!
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I am freaking out, I need to decide on a school by Friday. I noticed that NOVA only allows 5 elective rotations 2 max in same specialty, and the other DO school I'm deciding on only allows 4 and 2 respectively. However, the MD school I'm looking at allows 8 electives and requires 5 in the same field. Why is their this difference. I'm interested in Ortho and am worried I won't be able to match if I can only do 2 audition/electives in that field. Is this a problem or do people usually get what they want regardless of this. Please provide some insight I'm desperate.
1 - CALM DOWN
2- The chances of you still being set on ortho 4 years down the line are slim. I mean, it could happen, but still.
3- If you choose to do 2 rotations in the same field, NOVA and whatever MD school you are looking at are going to give you the same amount of exposure to varied fields (the other school will apparently only let you look at 4 electives). However, should you find yourself STILL UNDECIDED (which many, MANY people do) when it comes time to pick your electives, you're sure going to wish that you could look at 5 instead of 4. I'm a fan of options, personally.
Honestly? I'm not entirely sure it would make a huge difference one way or another....You're going to make the impression you're going to make. and ANY school you go to will give you that chance (this I promise you). I'd go with the one that would give me the chance to look at the MOST things if I were to find myself still undecided.
best of luck in your decision 🙂 I know it's a tough one. When all else fails...where did you feel more comfortable? 🙂
GOOD LUCK to everyone who is having their files reviewed! To those of you I met yesterday, it was an absolute pleasure and I hope you guys enjoyed the day as much as I did!
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In addition to what Ms. Singinfifi said, nova doesn't "allow" more than that number in the same speciality BUT there is a way around it. For the sake of this discussion we'll say you are still interested in it later on. You can do the two rotations in general ortho, but then you could do a rotation in any of the subspecialities involved such as spine, hand, and whatever else you can imagine. So, you can still get exposure to that field but you are technically focusing on a different area. It is like that with all of the specialities. You simply bypass it by doing a rotation in a fellowship type area for a bit. Personally, I don't find that a bad deal. Some people find general whatever boring as hell once they get into it.
I'm not worried that I won't get enough exposure to the field of which I'm most interested, I'm worried that 2 electives in a field, or two visits to potential residencies doesn't give you much of a chance to actually match that specialty, I think it would be more beneficial to do all my electives in my field of interest to audition for the most programs, ultimately giving myself the best chance to match that field. You see what I mean? So I was curious if people run into trouble because of this, or if they are able to still match with limited number of audition rotations in their first choice field. I know the impression I make counts, but it would be nice to make that impression at more places rather than just 2, so this is what worries me. Maybe I'm overreacting.
I'm not worried that I won't get enough exposure to the field of which I'm most interested, I'm worried that 2 electives in a field, or two visits to potential residencies doesn't give you much of a chance to actually match that specialty, I think it would be more beneficial to do all my electives in my field of interest to audition for the most programs, ultimately giving myself the best chance to match that field. You see what I mean? So I was curious if people run into trouble because of this, or if they are able to still match with limited number of audition rotations in their first choice field. I know the impression I make counts, but it would be nice to make that impression at more places rather than just 2, so this is what worries me. Maybe I'm overreacting.
So if your doing an elective in orthopedic spine for example, because you can't enter that sub-specialty for residency, I believe they are fellowships, would you still be doing an elective or auditioning for that programs general ortho residency? Sorry for all the detailed paranoid Q's
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Look for posts by bravotwozero in the osteo forum about this. I think he's a 2nd year at Nova, pursuing ortho, and he's posted at length about how to navigate Nova for multiple electives within one specialty. Using subspecialties for multiple auditions is one issue; getting to do these auditions in time for residency apps is another. You have a 3 month rural rotation during 4th year that you'd have to get to happen late in the year.
At a big academic hospital you can usually find the list of electives for med students. Anything you do within an ortho department will expose you to the ortho people who would influence your getting into residency there. Here is the list of 9 electives at the U of Washington's ortho department, for example. (UWash has yet to have a DO ortho resident, but they have a ton of documentation on how their visiting student electives work, for comparison with other programs.)
Pay attention to the list of core rotations that programs require you to complete before they'll let you do a visiting student elective. In other words, don't mess around with your 3rd year schedule - you can't postpone anything.
From my consideration of this issue, as long as you know what you're getting into at Nova (using subspecialties to multiply audition, scheduling the rural requirement), it's manageable. It's easier at other schools to pull this off, but there are plenty of Nova students who get it done.
Best of luck to you.
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The required underserved rotation, while less than ideal, isn't necessarily a bad thing. I've heard of people squeezing in audition rotations during that too. I am not clear on the details but it seems like the primary requirement is to be in an area that is considered under served. If not on a preapproved list there are ways to get it verified. There ARE residency programs in areas that are considered underserved. The matchlist for nova is tough to tell how many people go into a residency like ortho or derm because they usually only put down the traditional rotating or internship location, whereas some of the allopathic programs and other specialities have those years combined into one program. Seems like most of the matchlists that actually show something like ortho are the military or allopathic matches and I know there has to be at least a few osteopathic. It is just variable like everything else.
I have/had the same concerns as you since I do maintain an interest in various "competitive" specialities. I still chose NSU so far.
I have/had the same concerns as you since I do maintain an interest in various "competitive" specialities. I still chose NSU so far.
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So I just happened to check the status of my application today on the webstar site. And I saw that I had been offered an interview invite (YAY!) however I have never got an e-mail or letter in the mail confirming this or offering a specific date. I've called multiple times in the last couple months and usually just get VM of the admissions office. And my e-mails never get responded to. I'm worried becasue I do not know when they made that decision and I'm scared they think I am not interested. Have any of you had difficulty in getting in touch with the office? Last time I left a voicemail it took two weeks to hear back.
When were you complete, Lithium? I was complete on 10/17 and haven't heard anything. I'm extremely worried 🙁
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I was complete mid sept. Have you checked Webstar for the status of your application (webstar.nova.edu)? Mine used to say under review, and now says "invited for interview". But I have no idea when it changed to that and haven't heard anything.
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AmyWho, I know I gave you Sarah's email address but I can't remember if I gave you Ellen's.
Lithium, I can give you Sarah Baksh's and Ellen Rondino's email addresses. They usually wb.
Either of you can PM me if you want them. I know how awful and stressful this process is and their admissions office is bad (I had the same problem) but the school is fantastic. I will probably be going there in August. 🙂
Lithium, I can give you Sarah Baksh's and Ellen Rondino's email addresses. They usually wb.
Either of you can PM me if you want them. I know how awful and stressful this process is and their admissions office is bad (I had the same problem) but the school is fantastic. I will probably be going there in August. 🙂
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I always have "decision pending." I've tried to email both Sarah and Ellen and none of them picked up their phones or returned my calls. However, I was able to get a hold of someone last week and she just said that "just wait!" Although I still do really like the school, I somehow loose the will to call or email them again...sighz
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That is really frustrating! I really like the school to but it is so stressful trying to get in touch with people. I hope it works out for the both of us!
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Ok, so I know some people might gawk at me for asking this question but I would love it if someone would explain the residency match process for DOs to me like I have never heard of any of it before. Don't worry, I have heard of it before but I think I have gotten too fragmented information and I need a clear cut step 1, 2, 3....kind of explanation. If you are going to comment on how stupid I am, save it, LOL. I just want to make sure I understand this process thoroughly and so I will understand the infiinte # of acronyms about this subject.
Also, I am mainly interested in primary care, emergency medicine and maybe urology if this makes a difference as I know I am not interested in derm or ob/gyn for example. Thanks in advance for teaching me this!
Also, I am mainly interested in primary care, emergency medicine and maybe urology if this makes a difference as I know I am not interested in derm or ob/gyn for example. Thanks in advance for teaching me this!
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OB/GYN is primary care, but aside from that the process goes something like this.
Pre-clinical years: Do the best you can. Take your boards. Rock them.
3rd Year: Do your required clinical rotations and start feeling out what you like and don't like. If you are already gung ho into something and do really well, then maybe score a letter of rec.
4th year: Start doing some audition rotations for your potential speciality, take Step 2, fulfill other rotation requirements. At this point you should start collecting all of your recommendations for sure. Similar to medical schools, you look up residency programs that interest you and apply to them. You send them the mass of things they require (transcripts, dean's letter, letters of recommendation, personal statement, etc.) You then wait and hope for interview invites. Different specialities have a magic number, but 8 SEEMS to be a pretty good number for all specialities. Primary care is less and something like Urology would want the most you can get. You then go on those interviews and charm the pants off of the people. Once all is said and done you "rank" the programs and submit the list. At the same time, the programs you interviewed at are HOPEFULLY ranking you as well. On the faithful match day, the computers match the closest ranks together via their magical algorithm and you get dished out to that location. It usually entails opening a letter in front of all of your peers and finding out where you'll be stranded for a while.
If you don't match, you'll get called into an office a few days before the official match day and told the bad news. You then begin the scramble, which entails calling every single frickin program and lots of faxing of materials. Usually you'll find a place. It might be a crappy prelim spot or an internship at a locale you'd rather not be, but it is somewhere to go. Very rarely (but it does happen) you will discover a program that didn't fill all of their spots for whatever reason. I've heard of people getting spots in radiology, orthopedics and whatever else this way, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It is usually people that didn't rank enough places, complete douches/interviewing idiots, or super competitive specialities with a person that doesn't have the stats up to par. (Not always...but often)
Pre-clinical years: Do the best you can. Take your boards. Rock them.
3rd Year: Do your required clinical rotations and start feeling out what you like and don't like. If you are already gung ho into something and do really well, then maybe score a letter of rec.
4th year: Start doing some audition rotations for your potential speciality, take Step 2, fulfill other rotation requirements. At this point you should start collecting all of your recommendations for sure. Similar to medical schools, you look up residency programs that interest you and apply to them. You send them the mass of things they require (transcripts, dean's letter, letters of recommendation, personal statement, etc.) You then wait and hope for interview invites. Different specialities have a magic number, but 8 SEEMS to be a pretty good number for all specialities. Primary care is less and something like Urology would want the most you can get. You then go on those interviews and charm the pants off of the people. Once all is said and done you "rank" the programs and submit the list. At the same time, the programs you interviewed at are HOPEFULLY ranking you as well. On the faithful match day, the computers match the closest ranks together via their magical algorithm and you get dished out to that location. It usually entails opening a letter in front of all of your peers and finding out where you'll be stranded for a while.
If you don't match, you'll get called into an office a few days before the official match day and told the bad news. You then begin the scramble, which entails calling every single frickin program and lots of faxing of materials. Usually you'll find a place. It might be a crappy prelim spot or an internship at a locale you'd rather not be, but it is somewhere to go. Very rarely (but it does happen) you will discover a program that didn't fill all of their spots for whatever reason. I've heard of people getting spots in radiology, orthopedics and whatever else this way, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It is usually people that didn't rank enough places, complete douches/interviewing idiots, or super competitive specialities with a person that doesn't have the stats up to par. (Not always...but often)
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In terms of competitiveness: urology >>>> EM >> primary care. Urology is surgery.
AOA: American Osteopathic Association, the governing board of DOs. Also Alpha Omega Alpha (?) which is the allopathic honor society of which you're expected to be a member for competitive residencies if you're an MD.
ACGME: American Council of Graduate Medical Education. The allo body that governs residencies.
NRMP: National Residency Matching Program. This org facilitates the match.
ERAS: Electronic Residency Application System. This org facilitates residency apps; not all residencies use it.
Summary of events:
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1. Your competitiveness as a candidate comes from:
- grades in 1st & 2nd year
- evaluations on rotations 3rd & 4th year
- recommendations from med school dean and others
- step 1 board scores after 2nd year
- step 2 board scores after 3rd year
- research
- audition rotations
2. In October/November of your 4th year, you apply to residencies.
3. Then you interview at one or more programs, if you get invited.
4. Then you rank programs. And they rank you.
5. Then the match happens and you come to know your fate.
If you want to do the ACGME match as a DO, then you:
1. Take two sets of boards for each step, USMLE for ACGME and COMLEX for AOA. Depending on the ACGME residency, you may or may not need to take the USMLE in addition to the COMLEX. As a DO you must take the COMLEX to graduate and (usually) to get licensed.
2. Bypass the AOA match. You can't match in both matches - the AOA match comes first, and if you're matched, you're contractually obligated to go, and flushed out of the ACGME match. If you don't care whether you match AOA or ACGME, you participate in both, and any AOA match automatically wins.
3. Based on where you want to practice, address the issue of traditional rotating internships, which are required for licensing in FL, OK, PA, MI and WV. If you do an AOA residency, this is included or planned into your residency. If you do an ACGME residency, you are on your own to demonstrate to your state medical licensing board that you've met its requirements of DOs.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you both so much I really appreciate your very thorough responses. Couple of questions:
1. In the areas of practice that I mentioned, does it professionally matter whether I do an AOA residency or an ACGME residency?
2. What is an "audition rotation" and does the school set that up or do you have to do that on your own?
3. The whole interview process for the match is confusing. Do you have to interview anywhere that may potentially accept you (like getting to med school)? Or do they just interview some and accept others without interviews?
4. Weird question: What does "board certified blah blah blah" actually refer to? Is this referring to passing the 3rd set of boards or completing residency?
5. Last question I promise! If you are planning to eventually practice in a state that is not listed as one that requires the internship year, then does it matter where you go for residency? And when they refer to "interns" are they talking about people in their 1st year of residency specifically or all in general? Or are people just using the terms resident and intern interchangeably?
Thank you again so much....this has been really helpful and much more clear. Oh, can you try to tailor where you go to residency based on location?
1. In the areas of practice that I mentioned, does it professionally matter whether I do an AOA residency or an ACGME residency?
2. What is an "audition rotation" and does the school set that up or do you have to do that on your own?
3. The whole interview process for the match is confusing. Do you have to interview anywhere that may potentially accept you (like getting to med school)? Or do they just interview some and accept others without interviews?
4. Weird question: What does "board certified blah blah blah" actually refer to? Is this referring to passing the 3rd set of boards or completing residency?
5. Last question I promise! If you are planning to eventually practice in a state that is not listed as one that requires the internship year, then does it matter where you go for residency? And when they refer to "interns" are they talking about people in their 1st year of residency specifically or all in general? Or are people just using the terms resident and intern interchangeably?
Thank you again so much....this has been really helpful and much more clear. Oh, can you try to tailor where you go to residency based on location?
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When you think you know what specialty and school where you want to do your residency at you set this up to try out for their team so to speak. I believe it is on you to contact the program you want to "audition" for and get there approval and then your home school's approval on doing a rotation there.
I'm pretty sure you aren't required to take or pass this to be a licensed practicing physician. You can choose take the exam for your specialty, like from the board of urologists or what not. I think this takes place at the end of residency and then there might be some future testing at regular intervals to keep up your board certification. I think it is like adding a goal star next to your name, both patients and employers like to hear that you are board certified in your specialty.
You are called an intern during your 1st year of residency no matter what. I'm not 100% sure about the answer to the rest of your question.
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Depends on your professional goals. Want to work in an MD-dominated practice, where DO stigma is maximized (it matters)? Want to work in a mixed MD/DO community hospital, where DO stigma wore out long ago (doesn't matter)? Want to do a fellowship that has never ever taken a non-ACGME candidate(it matters)? Want to do family practice(doesn't matter)?
Also called externship or visiting student elective. Your school has nothing to do with this other than allowing it and insuring you. After you complete 3rd year core rotations, you can spend your 4th year elective time (summer/fall) at another school's programs. Pick a residency and dig through its hospital's website to find the app process and requirements and elective listings.
It's just like med school interviews - they pick you to interview, and most applicants won't get interviewed. Sometimes you can do your interview during your audition rotation. Getting ranked without interviewing probably happens in anecdotal situations.
And it's not about getting accepted, per se, it's about getting ranked: this is unlike med school interviews, where you can receive multiple acceptances. The "match" means that your rankings are run against residency rankings and you get only one match (ie acceptance).
"Board certified" means that you passed the board exam given by the governing body of your specialty. So for example after you do an IM residency and a nephrology fellowship, you take the board exam from the American Whatever of Nephrology, which can then board certify you. You presumably also take the American Whatever of Internal Medicine board exams.
Not in general, but you would want to look at licensing requirements at the state level.
"Internship" means the first year of residency. It's rarely used now - you'll be called a PGY1 or suchlike.
By applying to residencies in a particular location, yes.
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Yall are awesome! Thank you so much for the info... I have tried not to worry about this step before going to med school as I am way off from that process. I know there is a difference between IM and FP but can someone tell me the practical differences between the two like what typical working conditions and duties are of each? I know there is a lot of variety in these two specialties but I would like to know the opinions here. Thanks again and I will have to hunt yall down to tutor me in my classes next year! 😉
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Go to the websites for the American Whatever of IM/FP to see their marketing spiel.
My opinion? You don't do a fellowship after FM. However, only 2% of IM residency grads stop at IM. 98% go on to fellowships (like nephrology, cardiology etc). So the practical difference is that you do FM to practice primary care, and you do IM on the way to a fellowship that isn't primary care.
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I've heard some residents call IM the residency for those who are still undecided. You get a couple more years before fellowship apps are due, then there are a ton of routes IM can lead to, depending on what your interests are.
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Try these:
AAFP: http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/aboutus/specialty.html
ACP: http://www.acponline.org/medical_students/career_paths/
I think ABIM is effectively a subcontractor for the ACP; the ACP is the main IM org.
This might be a simple question but I was looking on the NSU web site and if I read it correctly it says you do not do the COMLEX 1 until the winter of your M 3 term. I thought this was supposed to be done prior to the beginning of the rotations. Also, during your M 3 year you are supposed to have lecture based courses, but what if your rotation is far away from the school?
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Ashley, look at all the trouble you are causing... Hahahahahahah jk.. love youu!!!
(PS: Your questions are helpful to not just you alone)
(PS: Your questions are helpful to not just you alone)
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Apparently, if you are interviewing this friday, I am your tour guide 🙂
hurrah!
Dr. M, you are truly a rockstar.
hurrah!
Dr. M, you are truly a rockstar.
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The upside of a cancer deferral: you get a bunch of time to figure out what the hell you signed up for. I can draw a map of the Middle East now too.
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I didn't realize that's why you dropped back a class. I'm sorry to hear that happened. BUT! I do look forward to seeing you next year 🙂
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Dang, I got not one, but TWO holiday cards from NSU.
This school has forever earned a soft spot in my heart! 😍
The second holiday card definitely helped ease the pain of that $950 deposit!
This school has forever earned a soft spot in my heart! 😍
The second holiday card definitely helped ease the pain of that $950 deposit!
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Haha same here, second card is different and signed by different people, which was nice. Although it didn't ease the pain of my deposit! 😳
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Hmmmm do you get a holiday card even before you send in the deposit?? 😉
So this is an embarassing question but I've never filed for financial aid before and don't really know the process. Do you file after you know what school you're going to?? And when do you do it, January?? How does this whole thing work?? Help please 🙂
So this is an embarassing question but I've never filed for financial aid before and don't really know the process. Do you file after you know what school you're going to?? And when do you do it, January?? How does this whole thing work?? Help please 🙂
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You fill it out after you do your taxes. I usually do it in Jan. You need to first register for a pin which you could do now I suppose. It is much easier once you get all your tax info back to fill it all out using the info. You can insert the school code to have it automatically sent or just send the info to schools you choose later. The process is pretty user-friendly. You'll get a statement after you fill it out with how much they believe you can contribute and how much you are awarded in loans (I believe I got one via email and snail mail each year). Hope that helps.
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Man I have already paid my deposit and I have yet to get one!😛
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relax, as hard as that may be--showing a relaxed and confident disposition speaks a lot to your professional impression. Courtesy laugh at appropriate times made by interviewers, but dont laugh too hard or be fake about it.
be ON TIME! no excuses. If you really want to impress them, look into some program or project the school is into at the present moment, and ask about it...I did, and the reaction was extremely positive 🙂
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Just relax and be yourself 🙂 If any of you are in town and have any last minute questions, or want to grab coffee or anything shoot me a PM and I'll happily meet up and answer any questions that you have and don't feel like asking in a group, or answer them via pm. 🙂
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Thanks a lot for all the info!! I actually didn't make any salary this fiscal year (all volunteer work) so do I even need to do anything for taxes?? I'm guessing I don't need to file..??
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I had the same idea as you. I wanted to wait until I actually got into medical school to figure out residencies and everything else. Thank you so much for asking those questions!
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