2024-2025 Kansas College of Osteopathic Medicine (KHSC-COM)

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I got an A which I am really thankful for! I have another DO school interview on 3/19. Kansas is asking for a deposit as an intent to enroll on 3/21. Does anyone know if the other DO school would be able to see that I paid that deposit and see that as"intent" to enroll? I would appreciate any insight!
 
jessica9! said:
I got an A which I am really thankful for! I have another DO school interview on 3/19. Kansas is asking for a deposit as an intent to enroll on 3/21. Does anyone know if the other DO school would be able to see that I paid that deposit and see that as"intent" to enroll? I would appreciate any insight!
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Congrats! The other school will know if you put a deposit down on May 1st based off AACOMAS traffic guidelines.
 
I got an A here and I was happy to go but after hearing what happened to previous years... I think I'm going to pick my other A now 🙁
 
I am a current student and I feel that a lot of the posts both here and on Reddit are fear mongering. Some of the criticism is warranted but I think a lot of it isn't and are complaints you would find from any student at any medical school. YES a lot of the learning is on the student in order to be prepared for boards; I don't think that's unique to KansasCOM. You'll find faculty REALLY DO care about the success of the students. I think some of the feelings related to not being supported come from some of the admin and staff which AGAIN isn't unique to KansasCOM. Happy to talk to any incoming students and try to assuage your worries, but just take the criticism knowing that there are a lot of students at KansasCOM that aren't completely horrified by how the school is run.
 
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sleepyspice said:
I am a current student and I feel that a lot of the posts both here and on Reddit are fear mongering. Some of the criticism is warranted but I think a lot of it isn't and are complaints you would find from any student at any medical school. YES a lot of the learning is on the student in order to be prepared for boards; I don't think that's unique to KansasCOM. You'll find faculty REALLY DO care about the success of the students. I think some of the feelings related to not being supported come from some of the admin and staff which AGAIN isn't unique to KansasCOM. Happy to talk to any incoming students and try to assuage your worries, but just take the criticism knowing that there are a lot of students at KansasCOM that aren't completely horrified by how the school is run.
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You’re not even in the 2028 class. Previous posting show you commenting in the 2022 year. Things for our class are drastically different than they were for previous years so I don’t think you have the right to speak for the 2028 class. It’s also not fear mongering if people are telling the truth. It is true that 25 people have been dismissed so no one is telling lies.
 
Tia Mia said:
You’re not even in the 2028 class. Previous posting show you commenting in the 2022 year. Things for our class are drastically different than they were for previous years so I don’t think you have the right to speak for the 2028 class. It’s also not fear mongering if people are telling the truth. It is true that 25 people have been dismissed so no one is telling lies.
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I don’t think I ever asserted that people were lying or ever spoke for the class of 2028. The 74% first time pass rate and 25 dismissals aren’t up for debate, but as someone who struggled as a first year at a COMPLETELY new school that was much more chaotic than it is now and passed Level 1, preparation for boards and doing enough to pass in classes was up to me. I never said the school was perfect or didn’t deserve criticism, just that a lot of the complaints people seem to have would be complaints they would have at any other school too.

That was my point.
 
sleepyspice said:
I don’t think I ever asserted that people were lying or ever spoke for the class of 2028. The 74% first time pass rate and 25 dismissals aren’t up for debate, but as someone who struggled as a first year at a COMPLETELY new school that was much more chaotic than it is now and passed Level 1, preparation for boards and doing enough to pass in classes was up to me. I never said the school was perfect or didn’t deserve criticism, just that a lot of the complaints people seem to have would be complaints they would have at any other school too.

That was my point.
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Are the dismissals mostly students who pass the “accumulated failure” limit (5 total) that was mentioned on the KansasCOM site? Also thank you for countering some of the negativity.
 
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Tia Mia said:
You’re not even in the 2028 class. Previous posting show you commenting in the 2022 year. Things for our class are drastically different than they were for previous years so I don’t think you have the right to speak for the 2028 class. It’s also not fear mongering if people are telling the truth. It is true that 25 people have been dismissed so no one is telling
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Wait I’m a little confused. I heard 20 were made to repeat year one, and 25 were dismissed. Are these the same, or does this mean that ~45 students in total did not successfully complete year 1?
 
jscales2020 said:
Are the dismissals mostly students who pass the “accumulated failure” limit (5 total) that was mentioned on the KansasCOM site? Also thank you for countering some of the negativity.
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I can't really speak to the dismissals, possibly the other student here can shed more light on it. I have only personally spoken to one person in that class that was dismissed and it was after multiple remediations so I would assume it was after the accumulated failure limit.
 
What was the reason that these students couldn’t pass the exams? I feel this is an administration/professor problem if so many students are failing. Are the exams to hard? Is giving the students to much alone time bad? Are the professors not good enough to teach med students ??
 
Lakers$ said:
What was the reason that these students couldn’t pass the exams? I feel this is an administration/professor problem if so many students are failing. Are the exams to hard? Is giving the students to much alone time bad? Are the professors not good enough to teach med students ?
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Agreed. Is it a student issue or is it an administration issue that they are not able to pass. Hearing from the students during the q&a that the school very supportive and listens to the students. I’d be great to hear from someone who got dismissed or remediated.


I get that it’s a new med school and 100% accept that it’s going to be a lot of adjustment. Students accepted to KansasCOM should realize it going in or just go somewhere else.
 
jscales2020 said:
Are the dismissals mostly students who pass the “accumulated failure” limit (5 total) that was mentioned on the KansasCOM site? Also thank you for countering some of the negativity.
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It was 2 course failures and 1 remediation failure
 
mrmack4902 said:
Wait I’m a little confused. I heard 20 were made to repeat year one, and 25 were dismissed. Are these the same, or does this mean that ~45 students in total did not successfully complete year 1?
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15 people from the 2nd years repeated 1st year. This year in 2028 25 have been dismissed in total.
 
Tia Mia said:
It was 2 course failures and 1 remediation failure
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But was it bc the professors, were making the exams difficult. I can’t rap my head on the amount of students that got dismissed. I can understand 1 or 2 but over 20 is kinda insane. I’m sure these students had good to great stats applying to medical school.
 
Lakers$ said:
But was it bc the professors, were making the exams difficult. I can’t rap my head on the amount of students that got dismissed. I can understand 1 or 2 but over 20 is kinda insane. I’m sure these students had good to great stats applying to medical school.
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I believe it was difficulty of the exams most exams we’ve had since November the averages are failing or very close to failing .Well go over topics in class and still feel surprised on some of the questions on the test because they feel very detailed. Some of the professors go into way more depth then what is needed. Also the teaching style sure there are some great professors. But the bad ones kind of overshadow the good ones. Alot of it is organization as well one of the main blocks people failed we were not getting slides on time and a lot was delayed. This new trimester seems more organized but we just started.
 
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Tia Mia said:
I believe it was difficulty of the exams most exams we’ve had since November the averages are failing or very close to failing .Well go over topics in class and still feel surprised on some of the questions on the test because they feel very detailed. Some of the professors go into way more depth then what is needed. Also the teaching style sure there are some great professors. But the bad ones kind of overshadow the good ones. Alot of it is organization as well one of the main blocks people failed we were not getting slides on time and a lot was delayed. This new trimester seems more organized but we just started.
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Do you think these issues regarding class organization will be straightened out by the time c/o 2029 starts? Also to quote someone above i'm still having a hard time understanding if this is all a student or admin (or both) issue.
 
Tia Mia said:
I believe it was difficulty of the exams most exams we’ve had since November the averages are failing or very close to failing .Well go over topics in class and still feel surprised on some of the questions on the test because they feel very detailed. Some of the professors go into way more depth then what is needed. Also the teaching style sure there are some great professors. But the bad ones kind of overshadow the good ones. Alot of it is organization as well one of the main blocks people failed we were not getting slides on time and a lot was delayed. This new trimester seems more organized but we just started.
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Another thing- do the professors regularly make the PowerPoints for lectures available so y’all can study? And don’t the have office hours?
 
jscales2020 said:
Do you think these issues regarding class organization will be straightened out by the time c/o 2029 starts? Also to quote someone above i'm still having a hard time understanding if this is all a student or admin (or both) issue.
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I don’t know if things will be better for the 2029 class. It’s a both issue
 
jscales2020 said:
Another thing- do the professors regularly make the PowerPoints for lectures available so y’all can study? And don’t the have office hours?
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They have office hours and they’ve started to become better about uploading materials on time
 
withdrawing from waitlist (was WL back in mid November) hope it helps one of yall out!!
 
Lakers$ said:
Do you know why they are getting dismissed?
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Hi Laker$.

I’m a OMS1 set to graduate in class of 2028. I am in the same class as user Mia Tia.

I would like to clear the air for everyone who is a prospective student that is reading into the fear mongering and to please disregard any DM that any user might be sending as it is not accurate. The fact that people are sending DMs instead of posting publicly should be enough to show that maybe what is being said is not accurate if one has to post it in DMs.

Anyhow, to answer your question.

First: yes KansasCOM is a new school. It’s subject to change. It’s not perfect. But neither is any school. Yes it has its growing pains. But what did one expect? My experience and many of my classmates who attend KansasCOM can vouch that the school is truly doing their part in attempting to optimize the curriculum for prospective students and truly does care about the well-being of the students… the victim mentality will cause one not to see this though.

Second: to answer your question regarding people being dismissed. You should be happy that KansasCOM is not “passing” students who did not meet the requirements expected. That would lead to KansasCOM generating many poorly qualified physicians. If you were sick and in the hospital and you needed a physician, would you want a physician who got pushed through the system and was given the title as a DO, or a physician who earned his/her way into the position they are in? It seems like a no-brainer for me. After all, is physicians are dealing with PEOPLES LIVES one day… it seems obvious you would want people who earned their DO title as opposed to one who expected the school to spoon feed them.

All that to say, it is the same as any other school. If you do no meet the passing requirements, you must remediate. If you fail a remediation, you are dismissed.

Medschool is NOT college. I can say with full confidence, being in medical school and one’s success MAINLY depends on the effort the student puts into their classes and studies. Not the faculty holding your hand and spoon feeding you a pass. It’s the students responsibility to take their education seriously.

If you want to blame the school blame it for recruiting someone who was not willing to make the effort of working hard enough to succeed. I’ve found that if being a physician is something you ACTUALLY want to do, the studies and hard work are so worth it and the newness of the school does not impact one’s success NEAR as much as being expressed by certain salty people in this feed… truly, if being a physician is something that you always want to do, you’ll find a way—regardless if it’s Harvard, the Caribbean, or KansasCOM.

In addition to that, unprofessional behavior, such as sitting online and trashing a new schools reputation because of a bad experience, exhibited by some students, can result in a dismissal. After all, physicians are trained PROFESSIONALS. We are called to be of the highest standard in the hospital. Why would KansasCOM want unprofessional students who put more effort into Reddit posts and SDN posts than their full effort into their classes, to graduate and care for human lives? Again, that would reflect very poorly on the school.

Finally, just because you get into medschool does not mean you’re gonna be a doctor. Plain and simple. Medschool is arguably the hardest graduate program one can do in their life. So it’s no wonder people who aren’t willing to put the work in and got dismissed are blaming the school. Newsflash, the same thing would happen at any other school. Even at Harvard where the program is one of the best for medical education. It boils down to this: If you don’t put the work in, you’re gonna get dismissed, regardless of the school.

If you have any other questions, feel free to shoot me a message.
 
francisfitzpatrickrocks said:
Hi Laker$.

I’m a OMS1 set to graduate in class of 2028. I am in the same class as user Mia Tia.

I would like to clear the air for everyone who is a prospective student that is reading into the fear mongering and to please disregard any DM that any user might be sending as it is not accurate. The fact that people are sending DMs instead of posting publicly should be enough to show that maybe what is being said is not accurate if one has to post it in DMs.

Anyhow, to answer your question.

First: yes KansasCOM is a new school. It’s subject to change. It’s not perfect. But neither is any school. Yes it has its growing pains. But what did one expect? My experience and many of my classmates who attend KansasCOM can vouch that the school is truly doing their part in attempting to optimize the curriculum for prospective students and truly does care about the well-being of the students… the victim mentality will cause one not to see this though.

Second: to answer your question regarding people being dismissed. You should be happy that KansasCOM is not “passing” students who did not meet the requirements expected. That would lead to KansasCOM generating many poorly qualified physicians. If you were sick and in the hospital and you needed a physician, would you want a physician who got pushed through the system and was given the title as a DO, or a physician who earned his/her way into the position they are in? It seems like a no-brainer for me. After all, is physicians are dealing with PEOPLES LIVES one day… it seems obvious you would want people who earned their DO title as opposed to one who expected the school to spoon feed them.

All that to say, it is the same as any other school. If you do no meet the passing requirements, you must remediate. If you fail a remediation, you are dismissed.

Medschool is NOT college. I can say with full confidence, being in medical school and one’s success MAINLY depends on the effort the student puts into their classes and studies. Not the faculty holding your hand and spoon feeding you a pass. It’s the students responsibility to take their education seriously.

If you want to blame the school blame it for recruiting someone who was not willing to make the effort of working hard enough to succeed. I’ve found that if being a physician is something you ACTUALLY want to do, the studies and hard work are so worth it and the newness of the school does not impact one’s success NEAR as much as being expressed by certain salty people in this feed… truly, if being a physician is something that you always want to do, you’ll find a way—regardless if it’s Harvard, the Caribbean, or KansasCOM.

In addition to that, unprofessional behavior, such as sitting online and trashing a new schools reputation because of a bad experience, exhibited by some students, can result in a dismissal. After all, physicians are trained PROFESSIONALS. We are called to be of the highest standard in the hospital. Why would KansasCOM want unprofessional students who put more effort into Reddit posts and SDN posts than their full effort into their classes, to graduate and care for human lives? Again, that would reflect very poorly on the school.

Finally, just because you get into medschool does not mean you’re gonna be a doctor. Plain and simple. Medschool is arguably the hardest graduate program one can do in their life. So it’s no wonder people who aren’t willing to put the work in and got dismissed are blaming the school. Newsflash, the same thing would happen at any other school. Even at Harvard where the program is one of the best for medical education. It boils down to this: If you don’t put the work in, you’re gonna get dismissed, regardless of the school.

If you have any other questions, feel free to shoot me a message.
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thank you for this!
 
Anyone who interviewed on march seventh hear back yet? I know they said four to six weeks but some people have heard back before that time frame. I’m assuming this late into the cycle we’re shooting for a waitlist cause seats are mostly taken?
 
francisfitzpatrickrocks said:
Sorry but could you elaborate what CSA or OPP mean? I can’t say I’ve ever seen those abbreviations! I apologize for my incompetence
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Please don’t apologize, I’m sorry for assuming! Also, you are NOT incompetent!

OPP — Osteopathic Principles & Practice; referring to what would be your OMM class

CSA — Clinical Skills Assessment; exam/test on the OMM techniques taught in class. The OSCE component.

Thank you and sorry again for the trouble!
 
FictionalBibliophile said:
Please don’t apologize, I’m sorry for assuming! Also, you are NOT incompetent!

OPP — Osteopathic Principles & Practice; referring to what would be your OMM class

CSA — Clinical Skills Assessment; exam/test on the OMM techniques taught in class. The OSCE component.

Thank you and sorry again for the trouble!
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@francisfitzpatrickrocks I think it might be what you guys have as your MSK course. But I could be wrong
 
FictionalBibliophile said:
Please don’t apologize, I’m sorry for assuming! Also, you are NOT incompetent!

OPP — Osteopathic Principles & Practice; referring to what would be your OMM class

CSA — Clinical Skills Assessment; exam/test on the OMM techniques taught in class. The OSCE component.

Thank you and sorry again for the trouble!
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I'll defer to the other student since things may have changed but our OMM practicals were scheduled with a partner, typically had two techniques to perform each and then a handful of oral questions. Practicals were all graded by the OMM table trainers that were present during weekly labs. Each student had 10-12 minutes to conduct the practical.

Our OSCEs were all directly related to the body system we were studying at the time (i.e., for GI we would have a patient present with abdominal pain, for neuro we had a patient present with headache, etc). All OSCEs were conducted using community actors. We had one final OMM OSCE in which we treated an actor with whatever technique we wanted to use for their complaint. Both OMM practicals and OSCEs were pretty much limited to finals week with some ungraded lab simulations in between.
 
FictionalBibliophile said:
Please don’t apologize, I’m sorry for assuming! Also, you are NOT incompetent!

OPP — Osteopathic Principles & Practice; referring to what would be your OMM class

CSA — Clinical Skills Assessment; exam/test on the OMM techniques taught in class. The OSCE component.

Thank you and sorry again for the trouble!
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Oh gotcha!

Our osteopathic principle class has a lecture and then a lab setting that correlates with the the lecture. We also have quizzes weekly that we do on our own that are on a 3rd party resource. I appreciate how the school's OMM and main classroom material are set up so they correlate directly with each other. We are tested mid-trimester with an OMM practical. Then at the end of the trimester, we have the OSCE, which is an OMM practical combined with the Clinical Skills Assessment. Also, we have a final exam to test the cumulative knowledge of all the material presented throughout the semester.

The clinical skills class has a lecture and then an afternoon session where we practice different skills (anything from taking a history to writing a SOAP note). Each week we get graded on different skills and everything we learn in the "Clinical Skills" class. Everything we have learned, from from week 1 of our first year of medical school is expected to be remembered and is constantly tested throughout our pre-clinical education, as those are the raw skills that are required when we are physicians in the future (this makes sense as KansasCOM does not want to be graduating medical students who do not know how to auscultate the heart correctly, for example). At the end of the trimester, we have the big combined OSCE where we have to implement our clinical skills with the osteopathic principles/practice.

(sleepyspice is spot on as well, hopefully my post and sleepy's post help answer your questions!)
 
sleepyspice said:
I'll defer to the other student since things may have changed but our OMM practicals were scheduled with a partner, typically had two techniques to perform each and then a handful of oral questions. Practicals were all graded by the OMM table trainers that were present during weekly labs. Each student had 10-12 minutes to conduct the practical.

Our OSCEs were all directly related to the body system we were studying at the time (i.e., for GI we would have a patient present with abdominal pain, for neuro we had a patient present with headache, etc). All OSCEs were conducted using community actors. We had one final OMM OSCE in which we treated an actor with whatever technique we wanted to use for their complaint. Both OMM practicals and OSCEs were pretty much limited to finals week with some ungraded lab simulations in between.
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@sleepyspice thank you for your response — it definitely gives me a better idea of what I wanted to know!!
 
francisfitzpatrickrocks said:
Oh gotcha!

Our osteopathic principle class has a lecture and then a lab setting that correlates with the the lecture. We also have quizzes weekly that we do on our own that are on a 3rd party resource. I appreciate how the school's OMM and main classroom material are set up so they correlate directly with each other. We are tested mid-trimester with an OMM practical. Then at the end of the trimester, we have the OSCE, which is an OMM practical combined with the Clinical Skills Assessment. Also, we have a final exam to test the cumulative knowledge of all the material presented throughout the semester.

The clinical skills class has a lecture and then an afternoon session where we practice different skills (anything from taking a history to writing a SOAP note). Each week we get graded on different skills and everything we learn in the "Clinical Skills" class. Everything we have learned, from from week 1 of our first year of medical school is expected to be remembered and is constantly tested throughout our pre-clinical education, as those are the raw skills that are required when we are physicians in the future (this makes sense as KansasCOM does not want to be graduating medical students who do not know how to auscultate the heart correctly, for example). At the end of the trimester, we have the big combined OSCE where we have to implement our clinical skills with the osteopathic principles/practice.

(sleepyspice is spot on as well, hopefully my post and sleepy's post help answer your questions!)
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@francisfitzpatrickrocks Thank you for your thorough response as well! Both your and sleepy’s posts answered my questions — hope you both have a great rest of your week! Thanks again!
 
Same haven’t heard of anything. 2/18 waitlist. The 2029 class group me has 55 members. April/May supposed to have movement.


Is accepted student day in May open to waitlist people or only accepted students?
 
Did anyone else just receive a “KansasCOM Admissions Update” for those who interviewed recently? Email says to expect a decision the week of April fourteenth
 
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