Official 2009/2010 rank list help thread

[intmed3]

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Ok, I have a general ranking question. It seems that many people do not rank everyplace they interview. While I understand not ranking places you hate, I can't imagine that there are that many places that would be worse than scrambling.

So hypothetically, lets say someone has done 12 interviews. 4 are programs at which the applicant would be happy, 4 are programs at which the applicant would be disappointed, and 4 are programs which the applicant didn't like. Why not still rank those last 4, I mean, sure in the ideal world we all would go to some place we love, but what are the chances of finding a spot at someplace better in the scramble?

I guess I'm just confused by how few places people rank. I get that most AMGs won't go to spot #9-12, but it's a possibility. I met one intern who said he only ranked 3 programs (and all were top programs) because those were the only ones he liked. Even if there are only 3 programs someone likes wouldn't it also make sense to rank the places you don't hate as well?

 

[jdh71]

Compared to BWH? UCSD had 3 cards fellowship matches in 2008, 1 at USC, 1 at UCSD, and just one at UW. The year before, one at UCSD, one at Baylor. In 2006, UCLA, UC-Davis, Loma Linda, and UC Irvine.

Their GI matches last year? Just one, to good samaritan. The year before, one GI match to UCSD and that is all. The year before that? One GI at UC Irvine, one at New Mexico.

A total of 4 GI matches over 3 years, none at a strong institution. A total of 9 cards matches in 3 years, two pretty strong ones at UCLA and UW, and 7 mediocre ones.

You have to be nuts to think it is okay to put UCSD over Brigham, unless you absolutely have to stay in San Diego for family reasons.

Stanford is obviously stronger, but it is no where near the league as Brigham. They have a few residents who went to HMS and are the MD-PHD types, and they tend to get fellowships back in the Boston area, but their average resident does no where near as well as the top programs.

Imo, it would be a really bad decision if your only tie to Cali is that you grew up there and you like the weather/the laid back personalities. You can always go back to practice in California, after you've made very strong ties at a place like Brigham. You have to put Brigham at least #2 on your list, and honestly #1 would be much better in the long run.

That was a lot of words and yet, you have still yet to establish the "suicide of a career". I guess everyone who doesn't get an interview and match at B&W should just give up now? Everyone should just go home? B&W has how many spots, like 30, 40, 50? Damn, you mean that ONLY 50 people will get to have a career in medicine!?!?!11!/!?11!11

Damn. I wish someone would have sent me the memo . . . 🙁

 

[jdh71]

priorities for me are excellent clinical training (Strong didactics + strong "learn by doing" environment) and diversity of residents. not interested in fellowship. how would you rank these:


University of illinois - chicago
northwestern
university of chicago
rush
loyola
cook county hospital
indiana university
medical college of wisconsin

If that is your whole and sole criteria, honestly, Cook County. No jokes.

Yeah. Cook County #1 based on your criteria. Next rank places witha VA. NWern with all of its private attendings would probably be last.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

That was a lot of words and yet, you have still yet to establish the "suicide of a career". I guess everyone who doesn't get an interview and match at B&W should just give up now? Everyone should just go home? B&W has how many spots, like 30, 40, 50? Damn, you mean that ONLY 50 people will get to have a career in medicine!?!?!11!/!?11!11

Damn. I wish someone would have sent me the memo . . . 🙁

Well it depends on what your long term goals are. But most people at this stage are somewhat undecided what their long term goals are, and to turn away from a program like BWH that would open 10-20x as many doors as a place like UCSD would, makes no sense imo. It would be like going to osteopathic school when you have admission to a strong allopathic school. Even if you were a strong believer in osteopathic medical theory, not too many people would choose against the big name allopathic school. Now if UCSD were the best place you got an interview from, and your other choices are small community programs, then of course UCSD will open more doors for you and would be the wise career choice.

 

[ResidentMD]

Well it depends on what your long term goals are. But most people at this stage are somewhat undecided what their long term goals are, and to turn away from a program like BWH that would open 10-20x as many doors as a place like UCSD would, makes no sense imo. It would be like going to osteopathic school when you have admission to a strong allopathic school. Even if you were a strong believer in osteopathic medical theory, not too many people would choose against the big name allopathic school. Now if UCSD were the best place you got an interview from, and your other choices are small community programs, then of course UCSD will open more doors for you and would be the wise career choice.

The guy has clearly stated that he wants to be in California. In that respect, I do not think its a bad idea to give UCSD the respect it deserves.

The program is still good dude. There are people well-known in their respective fields who are in faculty positions there, and the department does get reasonable NIH funding. They do have research labs of their own you know!

Your ROL may not be the same as someone else's ROL. Maybe that guy would rather have being in California in an upper-mid tier program like UCSD, rather than being on the exact opposite side of the country in a top tier place like BWH (and be miserable because he is away from California..where he clearly wanted to be)....if he wants 'A' Cards/GI fellowship, in all probability if he works hard (s)he will still get it. Maybe he wants to do private practice in California..who knows? People's priorities are different.

It is for this very reason that someone might think of going to Cook County over University of Chicago or Northwestern....people's priorities in life are different.

 

[jdh71]

Well it depends on what your long term goals are. But most people at this stage are somewhat undecided what their long term goals are, and to turn away from a program like BWH that would open 10-20x as many doors as a place like UCSD would, makes no sense imo. It would be like going to osteopathic school when you have admission to a strong allopathic school. Even if you were a strong believer in osteopathic medical theory, not too many people would choose against the big name allopathic school. Now if UCSD were the best place you got an interview from, and your other choices are small community programs, then of course UCSD will open more doors for you and would be the wise career choice.

You put way to much emphasis on this. It's an important consideration, but not the way you make it out to be.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

The guy has clearly stated that he wants to be in California. In that respect, I do not think its a bad idea to give UCSD the respect it deserves.

The program is still good dude. There are people well-known in their respective fields who are in faculty positions there, and the department does get reasonable NIH funding. They do have research labs of their own you know!

Your ROL may not be the same as someone else's ROL. Maybe that guy would rather have being in California in an upper-mid tier program like UCSD, rather than being on the exact opposite side of the country in a top tier place like BWH (and be miserable because he is away from California..where he clearly wanted to be)....if he wants 'A' Cards/GI fellowship, in all probability if he works hard (s)he will still get it. Maybe he wants to do private practice in California..who knows? People's priorities are different.

It is for this very reason that someone might think of going to Cook County over University of Chicago or Northwestern....people's priorities in life are different.

If he wants a GI fellowship out of UCSD, I would not count on it....4 people in 3 years? Community programs do better. And I doubt it is the case that only that many people were interested in GI. And even if it were the case, the problem is that since fellowship programs in the state will not have seen many UCSD graduates doing GI, they may be reluctant to take someone even if they got a glowing evaluation from the PD/faculty.

In the end, of course it is his/her decision. But if someone posts a match list here, I assume they do it because they would like some impact. He mentioned he wasn't sure about 2-4. The fact that he spent the money to go and interview at BWH tells me that he could not have at least considered it as a possibility. It is not like he isn't ranking it altogether. So I'm just stating my strong opinion on this. I understand that family issues often tie you down to an area, and he might have a family who needs to stay in the area. (Or she I should say). But if it is just a matter of enjoying the beautiful city that is San Diego, I would say suck it up and spend 3 years at BWH...it will open doors for you the rest of your career, wherever you decide to practice. Residency will suck up most of your time no matter where you are, and you might just find a new interest or two in a new part of the country.

 

[txdoc2010]

looking for some help also - looking for GI fellowship..location not as much of a big deal but want to be in a larger city

in no particular order:

UTSW
Baylor
UCSF
Stanford
UCLA
Mt Sinai
Cornell
Columbia
Northwestern
UChicago
WashU

Considering MGH, but might drop it b/c really tired of interviewing and not sure I'd end up in Boston even for mgh....

 

[motoo]

If that is your whole and sole criteria, honestly, Cook County. No jokes.

Yeah. Cook County #1 based on your criteria. Next rank places witha VA. NWern with all of its private attendings would probably be last.

thanks. deep down I know this, but can't get past the fact that the medicine residents at county now are all FMGs and AMGs are not "expected" to go to (or even apply to) such a program when they have the option of places like NW or UChicago, etc.....this unspoken guilt trip that you're squandering an opportunity (or career suicide, hehe) by not going to these academic giants

 

[ResidentMD]

thanks. deep down I know this, but can't get past the fact that the medicine residents at county now are all FMGs and AMGs are not "expected" to go to (or even apply to) such a program when they have the option of places like NW or UChicago, etc.....this unspoken guilt trip that you're squandering an opportunity (or career suicide, hehe) by not going to these academic giants

I say this out of all sincerity to you - I havent interviewed at Cook County, but from what I hear, that place is not for everyone. You really work hard there. But the kind of training you get, I hear, is phenomenal. So if you like it, just go for it. I know the PD is supportive and sensible. The main question you should figure out is, will getting a degree from Cook County affect your prospects as compared to, say Northwestern? E.g. If you want to go into pvt practice, will that be an issue for you? Or maybe join a group practice? Look into that. If all is well, and you take the leap, I am sure you will enjoy the ride 🙂

 

[Scaredshizzles]

looking for some help also - looking for GI fellowship..location not as much of a big deal but want to be in a larger city

in no particular order:

UTSW
Baylor
UCSF
Stanford
UCLA
Mt Sinai
Cornell
Columbia
Northwestern
UChicago
WashU

Considering MGH, but might drop it b/c really tired of interviewing and not sure I'd end up in Boston even for mgh....

UCSF, Columbia, Mt. Sinai would all be really great for GI and are within big cities. Not sure about which of the Chicago programs are good for GI. Every program on your list though would give you a good chance to land a good GI fellowship I imagine.

 

[intmed3]

looking for some help also - looking for GI fellowship..location not as much of a big deal but want to be in a larger city

in no particular order:

UTSW
Baylor
UCSF
Stanford
UCLA
Mt Sinai
Cornell
Columbia
Northwestern
UChicago
WashU

Considering MGH, but might drop it b/c really tired of interviewing and not sure I'd end up in Boston even for mgh....

The ones in my mind that are known for GI from your list are UChicago and Mt Sinai. That being said you should be able to get a GI fellowship from any of these programs and you've got some great ones to choose from!

 

[NEXUS 5]

The ones in my mind that are known for GI from your list are UChicago and Mt Sinai. That being said you should be able to get a GI fellowship from any of these programs and you've got some great ones to choose from!

Perhaps you meant UChicago and Mt Sinai are mostly known for GI, since other programs on the list such as UCLA and UCSF also have well known GI departments.

 

[intmed3]

Perhaps you meant UChicago and Mt Sinai are mostly known for GI, since other programs on the list such as UCLA and UCSF also have well known GI departments.

Didn't mean those two were the only ones. Just that looking at the list those 2 programs try to sell themselves as big on GI, and based on their match lists do a pretty impressive job with matching a lot of people to top programs each year. Pretty much all of those programs have solid GI departments and the fact of the matter is that as long as you go to a good residency program and work hard, you should be able to get a fellowship. I don't know nearly as much about west coast programs so I was only commenting on what I knew.

 

[adam6]

I say this out of all sincerity to you - I havent interviewed at Cook County, but from what I hear, that place is not for everyone. You really work hard there. But the kind of training you get, I hear, is phenomenal. So if you like it, just go for it. I know the PD is supportive and sensible. The main question you should figure out is, will getting a degree from Cook County affect your prospects as compared to, say Northwestern? E.g. If you want to go into pvt practice, will that be an issue for you? Or maybe join a group practice? Look into that. If all is well, and you take the leap, I am sure you will enjoy the ride 🙂

I agree with this statement. I think people forget that residency helps you get primary care & hospitalist positions in addition to fellowship spots. Many (but not all) residents take hospitalist positions at their residency institution. Additionally, your residency contacts will open doors for private/group practices. So, if you want to be practicing on Michigan Avenue in a swank practice, Northwestern would be a better choice. If you want to work in a clinic for the underserved (ie: around Cook County or Mt. Sinai), then Cook Co would be a good program. Alternatively, going to Rush would give you the dual advantage of working at both private (Rush) and county hospitals (Cook) and could keep career options open. These are generalizations, but should definitely be considered in your choice matrix.

 

[amherstguy]

hey guys i posted once before but i wanted some more opinions, I'm interested in cards and going to a non-malignant program, locations isn't that big a deal but I would like to get a solid cards fellowship hopefully at a place that takes a lot of their own...any advice (listed in alphabeticla order ):

Cleveland Clinic
Cornell
Duke
Mayo Clinic
Michigan
Mt Sinai
Northwestern
NYU
Stanford
Uchicago
Vanderbilt
Washington-Barnes
Yale

 

[JoyfulMD]

hey guys i posted once before but i wanted some more opinions, I'm interested in cards and going to a non-malignant program, locations isn't that big a deal but I would like to get a solid cards fellowship hopefully at a place that takes a lot of their own...any advice (listed in alphabeticla order ):

Cleveland Clinic
Cornell
Duke
Mayo Clinic
Michigan
Mt Sinai
Northwestern
NYU
Stanford
Uchicago
Vanderbilt
Washington-Barnes
Yale

I'm a resident at Cornell. This is a great place to come from if you are going into cardiology. We have the CCU like most programs, but we also have 4 North cardiology which is intense and has a quick turnover. This makes our program pretty unique, and your exposure to cardiology is greater. You will work hard here, and you'll be at maximum capacity for most of the year (10 patients as an intern and admitting 4-6 new patients while in call for 28 hrs every 4th night). The cardiology fellowship here takes Cornell residents seriously, and if you're interested in EP it's one of the best programs in the area and you can complete cardiology and EP requirements in 4 years instead of 5. The strength of our program lies in the people; they're nice, and they know how to work as a team. You'll be fully certified in most procedures by the end of internship. In the end, you've interviewed at solid places. Good luck!

 

[motoo]

I say this out of all sincerity to you - I havent interviewed at Cook County, but from what I hear, that place is not for everyone. You really work hard there. But the kind of training you get, I hear, is phenomenal. So if you like it, just go for it. I know the PD is supportive and sensible. The main question you should figure out is, will getting a degree from Cook County affect your prospects as compared to, say Northwestern? E.g. If you want to go into pvt practice, will that be an issue for you? Or maybe join a group practice? Look into that. If all is well, and you take the leap, I am sure you will enjoy the ride 🙂

I agree with this statement. I think people forget that residency helps you get primary care & hospitalist positions in addition to fellowship spots. Many (but not all) residents take hospitalist positions at their residency institution. Additionally, your residency contacts will open doors for private/group practices. So, if you want to be practicing on Michigan Avenue in a swank practice, Northwestern would be a better choice. If you want to work in a clinic for the underserved (ie: around Cook County or Mt. Sinai), then Cook Co would be a good program. Alternatively, going to Rush would give you the dual advantage of working at both private (Rush) and county hospitals (Cook) and could keep career options open. These are generalizations, but should definitely be considered in your choice matrix.

very thoughtful advice.....this is what makes sdn so valuable.

for the poster considering thinking about GI fellowship, I would rank UChicago > NW. don't know about the rest

 

[RVS]

I am an MD/PhD interested in doing research in the long run, probably in Heme/Onc. I would be happy to get any advice on ranking these programs from the forum (listed alphabetically). I am particularly interested in which places set you up the best for good fellowships and support physician-scientists in their careers. 🙂

BIDMC
Johns Hopkins
Michigan
Stanford
U Penn
University of Chicago
University of Washington
Wash U

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I am an MD/PhD interested in doing research in the long run, probably in Heme/Onc. I would be happy to get any advice on ranking these programs from the forum (listed alphabetically). I am particularly interested in which places set you up the best for good fellowships and support physician-scientists in their careers. 🙂

BIDMC
Johns Hopkins
Michigan
Stanford
U Penn
University of Chicago
University of Washington
Wash U

1. Hopkins
2. BIDMC
3. Uwash
4. Stanford=UPenn
5. Wash U
6. UChicago
7. Michigan

 

[ResidentMD]

1. Hopkins
2. BIDMC
3. Uwash
4. Stanford=UPenn
5. Wash U
6. UChicago
7. Michigan

Why would you rank BI that high? is it just because of the Dana Farber affiliation?

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Why would you rank BI that high? is it just because of the Dana Farber affiliation?

Yea, DFCI and the fact that you can easily get hooked into research with world renowned faculty. Generally considered a more didactic oriented program, which would be ideal for someone interested in research. BIDMC has also sent people to sloan and MD anderson in addition to Dana Farber, so great connections for fellowship placement to pretty much any of the top cancer fellowships. I'd still put Hopkins ahead because Hopkins is Hopkins. You never know when you plans may change, and being at one of those top 3-4 programs leaves every single door open to you. Uwash has what is considered the best onc program in the west (Hutch.) Stanford has a strong BMT program. UPenn isn't as known for onc, but they have no trouble getting people fellowships in all the big east coast onc programs...it obviously has a great reputation as an IM program in general. Then WashU and UChicago and Michigan are good IM programs in general (arguably higher ranked than BIDMC and Stanford), but my perception is not great connections for fellowships to the coasts.

 

[RonBurgandy]

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[Scaredshizzles]

Top story in my newsroom is rank list help.

Going into cards.

What do people think?

UNC
Mt. Sinai
NYU
BU
Tufts
Brown
Pittsburgh
Jefferson
Rochester
Yale

That's a tough one. I think Yale, Pittsburgh, NYU, Mt. Sinai, and BU would be a cut above the others.

 

[ResidentMD]

That's a tough one. I think Yale, Pittsburgh, NYU, Mt. Sinai, and BU would be a cut above the others.

I think for Cards, I read somewhere else on SDN sometime back that out of your choices, Sinai is the one to go to and should be on the top of your list if you really liked the place.

Pitt has a decent Cards dept from what I have heard of, but they had an issue taking too many of their own for fellowships. If someone can clarify this, it would help.

Yale is Yale, you shouldnt have a problem getting into a good Cards fellowship from there. Getting into Yale for Cards per se, I cant comment because I havent been there.

BU - does place people into Cards (huge controversy on a thread currently). You should be your own judge for that. You do have the Boston community open to you, but you know..I'm not getting into that sticky territory. I did interview at BU but I am not going into Cards, thats why I havent looked at it from that angle.

NYU -dont know. Assuming its good and you would land a fellowship somewhere. Make sure you are comfortable with working hard, REALLY hard, from what I have heard on this forum (goes for BU too).

 

[RonBurgandy]

Wow. No love for UNC. Thought that place was southern heaven, but I agree, not the best for cards with Duke next door taking all the patients. Why does everyone put BU ahead of Tufts? They seemed pretty lateral to me.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I think for Cards, I read somewhere else on SDN sometime back that out of your choices, Sinai is the one to go to and should be on the top of your list if you really liked the place.

Pitt has a decent Cards dept from what I have heard of, but they had an issue taking too many of their own for fellowships. If someone can clarify this, it would help.

Yale is Yale, you shouldnt have a problem getting into a good Cards fellowship from there. Getting into Yale for Cards per se, I cant comment because I havent been there.

BU - does place people into Cards (huge controversy on a thread currently). You should be your own judge for that. You do have the Boston community open to you, but you know..I'm not getting into that sticky territory. I did interview at BU but I am not going into Cards, thats why I havent looked at it from that angle.

NYU -dont know. Assuming its good and you would land a fellowship somewhere. Make sure you are comfortable with working hard, REALLY hard, from what I have heard on this forum (goes for BU too).

NYU Langone is arguably a top 10 cards program in and of itself. I wouldn't say NYU is more tough than any of the other NYC programs. It is a huge city going through economic issues, there are resource limitations and so there is going to be a little more hard work. Some of the attendings will be a little tougher to deal with, as are people in NYC in general.

 

[jdh71]

I am an MD/PhD interested in doing research in the long run, probably in Heme/Onc. I would be happy to get any advice on ranking these programs from the forum (listed alphabetically). I am particularly interested in which places set you up the best for good fellowships and support physician-scientists in their careers. 🙂

BIDMC
Johns Hopkins
Michigan
Stanford
U Penn
University of Chicago
University of Washington
Wash U

1. Hopkins
2. Penn
3. Stanford
4. WashU
5. UW
6. BID/Michigan/UofChi

 

[Scaredshizzles]

1. Hopkins
2. Penn
3. Stanford
4. WashU
5. UW
6. BID/Michigan/UofChi

Doesn't make any sense to put BIDMC that low. If you want to get into MD Anderson, Sloan, DFCI, or Hutch (the 4 best medical onc programs in the country probably), that list isn't very consistent with that goal imo. BIDMC can land you at those top 3 programs quite easily, whereas Michigan, Chicago probably rarely land anyone at any of those places. To put BIDMC at that same level doesn't make sense in my humble opinion.

 

[jdh71]

Doesn't make any sense to put BIDMC that low. If you want to get into MD Anderson, Sloan, DFCI, or Hutch (the 4 best medical onc programs in the country probably), that list isn't very consistent with that goal imo. BIDMC can land you at those top 3 programs quite easily, whereas Michigan, Chicago probably rarely land anyone at any of those places. To put BIDMC at that same level doesn't make sense in my humble opinion.

He was looking for a physician-scientist friendly, and I like my ranking based on that angle. And when it comes to oncology, I'm not sure exactly what it means to be "good". Any place with a fellowship will teach you how to hang the poison.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

He was looking for a physician-scientist friendly, and I like my ranking based on that angle. And when it comes to oncology, I'm not sure exactly what it means to be "good". Any place with a fellowship will teach you how to hang the poison.

Yea, just like any program can teach you to stick a tube up a person rectum or how to bill for putting a wire through someone's coronary arteries even though it doesn't improve their survival. If that is the kind of view you want to take on medicine, that is your choice.

And why isn't BIDMC friendly for a physician-scientist??

 

[zedx]

I'm looking at getting a strong IM background and then going into Heme/Onc or ID. Looking at ranking the following programs:

1. Rhode Island Hosp/Brown U
2. Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
3. U Alabama Med Ctr-Birmingham
4. Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
5. University Hospitals Case Med Ctr-OH
6. Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
7. Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
8. Ohio State Univ Med Ctr-OH
9. U Rochester/Strong Mem-NY
10. Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr-NH
.11. Temple Univ Hosp-PA

*Im also interested in how people about University Hospitals Case Med versus Thomas Jefferson
.

 

[jdh71]

Yea, just like any program can teach you to stick a tube up a person rectum or how to bill for putting a wire through someone's coronary arteries even though it doesn't improve their survival. If that is the kind of view you want to take on medicine, that is your choice.

And why isn't BIDMC friendly for a physician-scientist??

Oh, now you're just getting butthurt. Don't do that.

I didn't say BID "isn't friendly" to physician scientists strictly, but rather I like the research and mentorship chances better at the other institutions for people looking for a career as a physician-scientist, rather than a clinician looking to match to top 5 heme/onc program.

Get it?

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Oh, now you're just getting butthurt. Don't do that.

I didn't say BID "isn't friendly" to physician scientists strictly, but rather I like the research and mentorship chances better at the other institutions for people looking for a career as a physician-scientist, rather than a clinician looking to match to top 5 heme/onc program.

Get it?

Not really, because I'm guessing he's interested in being a physician scientist in onc, which a lot of MD-PHDers do choose. Onc is all about research. At the very least, even as purely just a clinician who isn't doing research on the side, a very good percentage of your patients will be linked into a cancer trial...

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I'm looking at getting a strong IM background and then going into Heme/Onc or ID. Looking at ranking the following programs:

1. Rhode Island Hosp/Brown U
2. Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
3. U Alabama Med Ctr-Birmingham
4. Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
5. University Hospitals Case Med Ctr-OH
6. Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
7. Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
8. Ohio State Univ Med Ctr-OH
9. U Rochester/Strong Mem-NY
10. Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr-NH
.11. Temple Univ Hosp-PA

*Im also interested in how people about University Hospitals Case Med versus Thomas Jefferson
.

1. UChicago
2. Mayo
3. Northwestern
4. UAB
5. Case
6. Brown
7. Dartmouth (they actually have a pretty nice cancer center, but they get hurt by location...they are minutes away from completely rural country. Hanover is probably a family friendly city though if you choose to live there)
8. Ohio State
9. Temple (do they rotate through Fox Chase?)
10. Rochester
11. Jefferson

 

[jdh71]

Not really, because I'm guessing he's interested in being a physician scientist in onc, which a lot of MD-PHDers do choose. Onc is all about research. At the very least, even as purely just a clinician who isn't doing research on the side, a very good percentage of your patients will be linked into a cancer trial...

missing my points

 

[homoerectus]

That's a tough one. I think Yale, Pittsburgh, NYU, Mt. Sinai, and BU would be a cut above the others.

Why BU over Jeff?

 

[homoerectus]

1. UChicago
2. Mayo
3. Northwestern
4. UAB
5. Case
6. Brown
7. Dartmouth (they actually have a pretty nice cancer center, but they get hurt by location...they are minutes away from completely rural country. Hanover is probably a family friendly city though if you choose to live there)
8. Ohio State
9. Temple (do they rotate through Fox Chase?)
10. Rochester
11. Jefferson

...and why Temple (yes they rotate at FC) over Jeff? Any other reason other than the poster wants to do HemOnc? As you can see, I'm interested in the Philly programs and any insider info appreciated.

 

[EPADHA]

1. UChicago
2. Mayo
3. Northwestern
4. UAB
5. Case
6. Brown
7. Dartmouth (they actually have a pretty nice cancer center, but they get hurt by location...they are minutes away from completely rural country. Hanover is probably a family friendly city though if you choose to live there)
8. Ohio State
9. Temple (do they rotate through Fox Chase?)
10. Rochester
11. Jefferson

In general agree.. but would move UAB up if you are really that interested in ID. Not sure how good northwestern's or Mayo's ID is..

 

[JSI124]

1. Hopkins
2. Penn
3. Stanford
4. WashU
5. UW
6. BID/Michigan/UofChi

I second this ROL!
Regarding BID, I was surprised last year as was told at one of the other HMS locales that BID residents do not do so well at DFCI, and even fare a bit worse than the outsiders. I do not know the reason behind that.

 

[Phineus]

I stalk the forums and have found really good advice numerous times. Well, here I present my list and wish to get some advice.

What I am looking for- autonomy and rigorous training in internal medicine, opportunities in research and solid match in heme/onc. In no particular order:

1. MGH
2. BWH
3. BIDMC
4. Cornell
5. Columbia
6. Duke
7. UNC
8. BU
9. Montefiore NYC
10. UTSW
11. Baylor

Location or climate is not an issue. Thanks

 

[jdh71]

I stalk the forums and have found really good advice numerous times. Well, here I present my list and wish to get some advice.

What I am looking for- autonomy and rigorous training in internal medicine, opportunities in research and solid match in heme/onc. In no particular order:

1. MGH
2. BWH
3. BIDMC
4. Cornell
5. Columbia
6. Duke
7. UNC
8. BU
9. Montefiore NYC
10. UTSW
11. Baylor

Location or climate is not an issue. Thanks

Hard to go wrong with any on that list - how much "autonomy" and how "rigorous" you looking for?

 

[dreamfox]

I stalk the forums and have found really good advice numerous times. Well, here I present my list and wish to get some advice.

What I am looking for- autonomy and rigorous training in internal medicine, opportunities in research and solid match in heme/onc. In no particular order:

1. MGH
2. BWH
3. BIDMC
4. Cornell
5. Columbia
6. Duke
7. UNC
8. BU
9. Montefiore NYC
10. UTSW
11. Baylor

Location or climate is not an issue. Thanks

fyi: cornell's heme/onc match 2009 (100% match):
1) memorial sloan kettering
2) memorial sloan kettering
3) ucsd
4) upenn
5) ucsf
6) fred hutchinson cancer center, seattle, wa
7) memorial sloan kettering
8) memorial sloan kettering
9) memorial sloan kettering

heme/onc match 2008 (100% match):
1) cornell
2) cornell
3) dana farber cancer institute, boston, ma
4) cornell
5) nyu
6) columbia
7) nyu
8) univ of south florida
9) cornell
10) north shore university

 

[Frugal Traveler]

I stalk the forums and have found really good advice numerous times. Well, here I present my list and wish to get some advice.

What I am looking for- autonomy and rigorous training in internal medicine, opportunities in research and solid match in heme/onc. In no particular order:

1. MGH
2. BWH
3. BIDMC
4. Cornell
5. Columbia
6. Duke
7. UNC
8. BU
9. Montefiore NYC
10. UTSW
11. Baylor

Location or climate is not an issue. Thanks

I don't know all the differences between BWH and MGH... with your hem/onc interest, I thought BWH and BID were closer to Dana Farber. BWH had BMT from what I remember... would have to double check about MGH, which I am sure has almost everything... with the Bigelow service, it matches your desire for autonomy and rigorous training. Choosing how to rank BWH and MGH is really difficult (but can't go wrong with either). List looks great. Would run it by your adviser as well.

 

[zatennis]

Dear all,
I will probably apply into heme/onc. Not sure how academic I want to be, but would like to keep my options open.
Coming from a top-tier medical school but because of a low grade in my first clerkship of 3rd year (which happened to be IM), I got less interviews than expected.
Geography - Trying to go to the mid-atlantic region.

1. Upittsburgh
2. Umaryland
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Georgetown
5. Penn state

Any advice would be appreciated. I am trying to justify picking Pitt over Maryland (which is closer to family) but am having trouble.
Maryland's cancer center seems to be up and coming but Pitt's seems to be slightly more well-established. The quality of their residency programs and their match lists seem to be of similar quality.
thanks in advance

 

[docanonymous]

Interested in a program that is primarily oriented towards clinical training over academics/research with an eye towards a GI fellowship. Will again likely pursue a more clinically oriented than academics/research oriented fellowship program. Looking for people's opinions based on my interests, program rep, and fellowship opportunities. Location not important.

Brown
Colorado
Emory
Maryland
Mayo Clinic
Michigan
Tufts
UVA
WashU

Help much appreciated!

 

[Phineus]

Interested in a program that is primarily oriented towards clinical training over academics/research with an eye towards a GI fellowship. Will again likely pursue a more clinically oriented than academics/research oriented fellowship program. Looking for people's opinions based on my interests, program rep, and fellowship opportunities. Location not important.

Brown
Colorado
Emory
Maryland
Mayo Clinic
Michigan
Tufts
UVA
WashU

Help much appreciated!

All the programs you listed are strong clinically and academically. My advice is based on what I have read and discussed with physicians, so it is definitely subjective and hearsay. Here goes:

Not too familiar with Brown or Tufts.

Clinical reputation: WashU = UMich > Emory = Colorado = UVA > Mayo
Academic reputation: Mayo = UMich = WashU > CO = Emory = UVA
Best for GI fellowship: no idea, but I'll guess Emory, UMich & WashU (check respective sites for fellowship match).

 

[ResidentMD]

Interested in a program that is primarily oriented towards clinical training over academics/research with an eye towards a GI fellowship. Will again likely pursue a more clinically oriented than academics/research oriented fellowship program. Looking for people's opinions based on my interests, program rep, and fellowship opportunities. Location not important.

Brown
Colorado
Emory
Maryland
Mayo Clinic
Michigan
Tufts
UVA
WashU

Help much appreciated!

From what I hear, Emory gives you a lot of hands-on training (hearsay), probably more than any other programs on your list. Grady is an awesome training ground.

If you want to learn how to DELIVER care, then possibly Mayo would be a good choice. It does come at some compromise of hands-on training, depending on how you see it, but Mayo is reputed for its world-class training, a fact reflected in the reputation of its fellowships as well.

So it also depends what kind of clinical training you want to get - hands-on, versus learning how to deliver it most effectively.

 

[ss83]

I applied by location - i.e. cities that are fairly busy and am comfortable imagining myself living in for 3 years. My future plans are to be a nephrologist and preferably keep Hopkins as an option for their strong MPH tracks catered specifically for fellowship so the reputation of the program and how well they'd be known for a program like Hopkins are indeed important to me.

I'm currently a student at Albert Einstein and so very familiar with the teeth-to-the-grindstone training at Monte but not sure if I want to work that hard and going well over 80h/week like that for 3 years. But willing to work hard for strong fellowship match.

My list in no particular order looks like this:

Thomas Jefferson
Rush
Cedars Sinai
University of Southern California
University of Illinois at Chicago
Drexel University
Santa Clara Valley Medical Center
Montefiore Medical Center
California Pacific Medical Center
St Lukes-Roosevelet
Beth Israel Medical Center
Lenox Hill Hospital

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Frugal Traveler]

From what I hear, Emory gives you a lot of hands-on training (hearsay), probably more than any other programs on your list. Grady is an awesome training ground.

If you want to learn how to DELIVER care, then possibly Mayo would be a good choice. It does come at some compromise of hands-on training, depending on how you see it, but Mayo is reputed for its world-class training, a fact reflected in the reputation of its fellowships as well.

So it also depends what kind of clinical training you want to get - hands-on, versus learning how to deliver it most effectively.

I think Emory may give one of the more diverse experiences in the country with its hospital system.

I have always been impressed by UMich grads. I think they have an outstanding program.

I went to WashU, but I was really uncertain about things after the interview (because there was so much food)... so do not know how I would rank them at this point. I have to research that program more.