Official 2009/2010 rank list help thread

[LadyJubilee8_18]

There seem to be very many of these "help me rank X programs" treads popping up, so I thought we could just put all these discussions in one thread. If you need help deciding, post the programs here and hopefully we can consolidate a bit.

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[codeb1ue]

Since no one's biting.... I'll start. I've been struggling with my ROL and would really appreciate help. The only things to consider for me are to ultimately obtain a fellowship in pulm/crit in SOCAL, to be in a happy environment, and to obtain solid clinical training, even if that means that I have to work really hard.

UCSD
Harbor-UCLA
UCLA-Olive View
Cedars
UW
Scripps-Mercy
Scripps-Green

Would appreciate ANY input really. Thanks!

 

[jdh71]

Since no one's biting.... I'll start. I've been struggling with my ROL and would really appreciate help. The only things to consider for me are to ultimately obtain a fellowship in pulm/crit in SOCAL, to be in a happy environment, and to obtain solid clinical training, even if that means that I have to work really hard.

UCSD
Harbor-UCLA
UCLA-Olive View
Cedars
UW
Scripps-Mercy
Scripps-Green

Would appreciate ANY input really. Thanks!

You want a SOCAL pulm/cc fellowship specifically, when UW is arguably the best pulm/cc program on the west coast? Ok. We can easily work with this.

So if we are interested in a SOCAL pulm/cc fellowship, then I like

UW > UCSD > Harbor > Cedars

The rest rank as you like

Although, out of that batch I personally like the looks of Harbor's pulm/cc in socal better; remember the higher up the academic food chain you do residency, the better your options.

 

[uniden0100]

Interested in Cards, preferably at Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Duke, or one of the better known northeast programs. Eventually planning on applying for Interventional. Not terribly interested in "malignant" programs for residency, but it's only three years, so if there's no other way to go about it, then I can do anything for three years. Not worried about location (I can live anywhere happily).

• Emory
• Northwestern
• University of Chicago
• Beth Israel Deaconess
• Brigham and Women's
• MGH
• Hopkins
• Michigan
• Mayo
• Washington University
• St. Louis University
• Columbia
• Cornell
• Penn
• Vanderbilt
• University of Tennessee

Thanks in advance!

 

[IMrankhelp]

Interested in GI:

-Pittsburgh
-Michigan
-Case Western
-Yale
-Cornell
-MGH
-Beth Israel
-Rochester
-Brown
-Dartmouth
-Ohio State
-Tufts


Thanks for any insights

 

[jdh71]

Interested in Cards, preferably at Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Duke, or one of the better known northeast programs. Eventually planning on applying for Interventional. Not terribly interested in "malignant" programs for residency, but it's only three years, so if there's no other way to go about it, then I can do anything for three years. Not worried about location (I can live anywhere happily).

• Emory
• Northwestern
• University of Chicago
• Beth Israel Deaconess
• Brigham and Women's
• MGH
• Hopkins
• Michigan
• Mayo
• Washington University
• St. Louis University
• Columbia
• Cornell
• Penn
• Vanderbilt
• University of Tennessee

Thanks in advance!

I'm having a hard time taking this post serious

 

[jdh71]

Interested in GI:

-Pittsburgh
-Michigan
-Case Western
-Yale
-Cornell
-MGH
-Beth Israel
-Rochester
-Brown
-Dartmouth
-Ohio State
-Tufts


Thanks for any insights

Nice list. Based purely in reputation and what I think will be more likely to land you a GI spot . . .

1. MGH
2. Cornell
3. BID
4. Michigan
5. Yale
6. Pittsburgh/Tufts
7. Dartmouth/Brown/Ohio State
8. W.Case/Rochester

I think one could make the argument for interchanging BID and Michigan *shrug*

 

[uniden0100]

I'm having a hard time taking this post serious

May I ask why? Although there is some overlap with your response to the post subsequent to mine, I would think that GI and Cards would have different likelihoods of matching from even the best known programs. For that reason I asked for your (or anyone else's) input. Again, thanks.

 

[ResidentMD]

May I ask why? Although there is some overlap with your response to the post subsequent to mine, I would think that GI and Cards would have different likelihoods of matching from even the best known programs. For that reason I asked for your (or anyone else's) input. Again, thanks.

Simply because you have some of the best programs in the country on that list, and by ranking any one of them above the other (esp your top 5), you will still get into most Cards/GI programs by working hard. So the choice really boils down to WHERE you feel comfortable and where you want to go.

I can understand why jdh71 finds the post ridiculous, because if a person who is qualified enough to get interviews at places like Brighams and Penn cannot decide his ROL on his own and needs suggestions, then it is a bit funny. Go where you feel you will thrive best and be happiest, simply because with most programs on that list, you cannot go wrong.

I also understand why he answered to the list below yours (as will I), because that person has to decide between MGH/Cornell, or Pitt/Tufts/UMich, not BWH/MGH/UPenn.

 

[ResidentMD]

Nice list. Based purely in reputation and what I think will be more likely to land you a GI spot . . .

1. MGH
2. Cornell
3. BID
4. Michigan
5. Yale
6. Pittsburgh/Tufts
7. Dartmouth/Brown/Ohio State
8. W.Case/Rochester

I think one could make the argument for interchanging BID and Michigan *shrug*

Yes -I was about to bring that up. Do you think a grad from BID would fare better in GI as compared to Yale or Michigan? The only advantage I can see is the Boston community and the exchange between programs. Also remember the Yale PD is a GI person, for what it is worth.

 

[jdh71]

May I ask why? Although there is some overlap with your response to the post subsequent to mine, I would think that GI and Cards would have different likelihoods of matching from even the best known programs. For that reason I asked for your (or anyone else's) input. Again, thanks.

Hopkins, B&W, MGH, Penn, WashU? Seriously?

You'll never find a cardio match with any of those programs . . .

You've got an amazing list to rank from, in fact you have basically ALL of the top programs. Rank however you like, you'll find a cardio spot as long as you're a good resident.

Peace

 

[jdh71]

Yes -I was about to bring that up. Do you think a grad from BID would fare better in GI as compared to Yale or Michigan? The only advantage I can see is the Boston community and the exchange between programs. Also remember the Yale PD is a GI person, for what it is worth.

That's a bit of interesting strategic information . . . is he known for being helpful to finding GI spots for his residents?

EDIT: And about BID . . . I just think that BID opens doors in the NE, which is why I put it above michgan

 

[SocJustice]

Have my top spot but difficulty with 2 - 4.
Montefiore
George Washington
Tulane

Looking to go into ID, working with HIV + patients very important to me. Specifically applying to Primary care tracks, love the social medicine component of Monte, but feels isolated. GW is really focusing on HIV after latest CDC report showing such high prevalence. Really impressed with PD at Tulane, very happy residents.

Any thoughts?

 

[Frugal Traveler]

Yes -I was about to bring that up. Do you think a grad from BID would fare better in GI as compared to Yale or Michigan? The only advantage I can see is the Boston community and the exchange between programs. Also remember the Yale PD is a GI person, for what it is worth.

Michigan GI match:
UMich (15), UCSF (2), UColorado (1), Columbia (1), UWash (1), UVa (1), UPenn (1), Wisconsin (1), UTSW (2), USC (3), NW (1), Emory (1) UPittsburgh (1) Henry Ford (2) Tufts (1) UCSD (1) Scripps Clinic: La Jolla (1) UNC (1) Yale (1)

The Deaconess
2009 BID (2) Albert Einstein, Brown, Colorado, Emory, Lahey Clinic
2008 BID, Dartmouth, Emory, Stanford, UMich
2007 Mt. Sinai, UMass, University of Rochester, Wake Forest
2006 BID, Beth Israel (NYC), UChicago, UColorado
2005 BID, BostonU, Brown, UMass, University of Pittsburgh
2004 Darmouth, Lahey, Miami, New England, St. Louis, UMass, UPenn

Most applicants are unsure despite thinking they know exactly what they want to do. It will change during residency for some and not for others. I would keep an open mind even if you have extensive GI experience during medical school. I think it is all too common for applicants to say in their personal statement, "I want to have an academic career in X because a,b,c." Don't pigeonhole yourself too early... I would choose a solid program that most importantly you felt comfortable at during the interview (like you got a good impression at the dinner or positive vibe at the interview day). It will vary for all people, but use your heart to rank in addition to some objective factors. If you like a program just because of its reputation but then found out the residents were complete tools in your reality, then it is not a good idea to rank that program high because guess what... you're going to be around these people for 80 hours a week. The other issue is that you want a program that trains you broadly. To be a good specialist, you need to be a great general internist first. If you plan to work with a ton of HIV patients for the rest of your career, why not get other exposure in medicine during your residency training so you can better understand issues affecting HIV patients and other patients?

For instance, set three broad priorities:
Example:
1. I want a place that offers broad fellowship opportunities
2. I want a place that is not X
(X could equal the midwest, high cost of living, filled with emo people)
3. etc

You should also meet with your adviser to talk about your final ROL. Or else, we are just going to end up bashing a ton of programs.

 

[Hassler]

I need some help ranking the following IM programs：

Baylor
Montefiore
Robert Wood Johnson
UCLA Harbor
UCLA Olive View
U of Illinois-Chicago
UT Houston

I'm interested in Heme/onc, but overall just want a place that will provide me with good IM training that has good fellowship match, so I'm not necessarily looking for a rank list of heme/onc programs. I have some ideas myself, but want second opinions to see what others think. Thanks!

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I need some help ranking the following IM programs：

Baylor
Montefiore
Robert Wood Johnson
UCLA Harbor
UCLA Olive View
U of Illinois-Chicago
UT Houston

I'm interested in Heme/onc, but overall just want a place that will provide me with good IM training that has good fellowship match, so I'm not necessarily looking for a rank list of heme/onc programs. I have some ideas myself, but want second opinions to see what others think. Thanks!

Can Baylor residents still do electives at MD Anderson, or is it only UT-Houston?

 

[jdh71]

I need some help ranking the following IM programs：

Baylor
Montefiore
Robert Wood Johnson
UCLA Harbor
UCLA Olive View
U of Illinois-Chicago
UT Houston

I'm interested in Heme/onc, but overall just want a place that will provide me with good IM training that has good fellowship match, so I'm not necessarily looking for a rank list of heme/onc programs. I have some ideas myself, but want second opinions to see what others think. Thanks!

1. Baylor
2. Harbor
3. Montefiore
4. Houston
5. Illinois

The rest do what you like

 

[Hassler]

Can Baylor residents still do electives at MD Anderson, or is it only UT-Houston?

I believe they don't necessarily rotate at MD Anderson, as they have their own heme/onc rotation at their hospitals. However, I think you can request to do research there.

On the other hand, UT Houston residents rotate at MD Anderson for heme/onc.

 

[Hassler]

1. Baylor
2. Harbor
3. Montefiore
4. Houston
5. Illinois

The rest do what you like

Baylor still at the top despite their recent financial difficulties? They claim things will be better after the merger and there is no effect on the training, but just don't know how much of a distraction that would be.

Thanks for your input though!

 

[jdh71]

Baylor still at the top despite their recent financial difficulties? They claim things will be better after the merger and there is no effect on the training, but just don't know how much of a distraction that would be.

Thanks for your input though!

Yup. Baylor is the standout program on the list. If you had a few more programs ranking more laterally, then you'd have a point, such as a Duke or a Vandy or a UCLA

 

[Phineus]

I need some help ranking the following IM programs：

Baylor
Montefiore
Robert Wood Johnson
UCLA Harbor
UCLA Olive View
U of Illinois-Chicago
UT Houston

I'm interested in Heme/onc, but overall just want a place that will provide me with good IM training that has good fellowship match, so I'm not necessarily looking for a rank list of heme/onc programs. I have some ideas myself, but want second opinions to see what others think. Thanks!

If I remember correctly according to Baylor's match list, residents haven't matched to MD Anderson in the last few years. However, they had a good percentage of those matching to Heme/Onc match to MD in 2004.

 

[Hassler]

If I remember correctly according to Baylor's match list, residents haven't matched to MD Anderson in the last few years. However, they had a good percentage of those matching to Heme/Onc match to MD in 2004.

You are correct. Since 2006, they don't have anyone match to MD Anderson. The majority who matched into heme/onc matched to Baylor instead. I wonder if their residents actually rotate at MD in the past, but less so these days.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

You are correct. Since 2006, they don't have anyone match to MD Anderson. The majority who matched into heme/onc matched to Baylor instead. I wonder if their residents actually rotate at MD in the past, but less so these days.

Yea, I think that is probably around the time MD Anderson picked up the UT affiliation. UTH does not match many to MD Anderson because it isn't considered a very strong residency program, but they match more now than Baylor does, as Baylor residents I'm guessing no longer can do electives at MD Anderson... (hard to justify an away when Baylor has so many primary hospital affiliations that have heme-onc programs.)

 

[LadyJubilee8_18]

Yea, I think that is probably around the time MD Anderson picked up the UT affiliation. UTH does not match many to MD Anderson because it isn't considered a very strong residency program, but they match more now than Baylor does, as Baylor residents I'm guessing no longer can do electives at MD Anderson... (hard to justify an away when Baylor has so many primary hospital affiliations that have heme-onc programs.)

I know surgery residents who have rotated there from Baylor but I'm not sure about medicine. I'm sure you could if you really wanted to, Baylor is pretty flexible.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I know surgery residents who have rotated there from Baylor but I'm not sure about medicine. I'm sure you could if you really wanted to, Baylor is pretty flexible.

That is because Baylor does not have its own surg onc fellowship program. It is tough for most residency programs to send people out for electives when they have their own fellowship program in that...Perhaps in the past they did because MD Anderson had no primary affiliation and they could use some residents to be on call over night or whatever...But now that MD Anderson has a primary affiliation, they would probably charge a fair amount to Baylor to have residents do electives there...And so Baylor probably doesn't allow it...I'm just guessing here, hopefully a Baylor resident can chime in.

 

[ResidentMD]

I know surgery residents who have rotated there from Baylor but I'm not sure about medicine. I'm sure you could if you really wanted to, Baylor is pretty flexible.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Baylor does not allow away electives ,especially clinical electives. I suspect if you are really determined you could get a research elective there.

 

[GoUSFBulls]

Looking for Cards fellowship.

Northwestern
UAB
Vandy
Mount Sinai - NYC
Pittsburgh
Ohio State
Cedars
Temple
Tulane

thanks!

 

[verbalassasin]

So is this where we are posting our ROL? Ok.

As of right now:
1. Stanford
2. UCSD
3. Harbor-UCLA
4. Cedars
5. Kaiser
6. Brigham and Women (I'm a west coaster)
7. Pitt

Pretty certain about #1 but 2-4 can change.
* If I was open to the East then you know which would be #1.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

So is this where we are posting our ROL? Ok.

As of right now:
1. Stanford
2. UCSD
3. Harbor-UCLA
4. Cedars
5. Kaiser
6. Brigham and Women (I'm a west coaster)
7. Pitt

Pretty certain about #1 but 2-4 can change.
* If I was open to the East then you know which would be #1.

Do people really rank places like Brigham 6th? I find it hard to believe, considering programs like BWH and JHU and UCSF fill their spots within the top 100 or 120 or whatever it is of their rank lists....Considering the programs interview a lot of the same people, for them to only go that low on their rank list means pretty much everyone who interviews there must rank them in the top 2-3. Perhaps as match ROL certification day rolls around, it will become your #1. I could see putting places like Upenn or Columbia higher on a list if location is important to you, but to pass up an opportunity like BWH for some of the other places on your list seems like career suicide..Unless you really plan on being a ocmmunity general internal med doc with little research involvement, in which case it probably won't matter much.

 

[Phineus]

So is this where we are posting our ROL? Ok.

As of right now:
1. Stanford
2. UCSD
3. Harbor-UCLA
4. Cedars
5. Kaiser
6. Brigham and Women (I'm a west coaster)
7. Pitt

Pretty certain about #1 but 2-4 can change.
* If I was open to the East then you know which would be #1.

No UCSF or UCLA? Really surprised you don't have these guys on there (for whatever reason). You must really love the west coast to put Kaiser & Cedars over BWH.

 

[gold&black2005]

Looking for Cards fellowship.

Northwestern
UAB
Vandy
Mount Sinai - NYC
Pittsburgh
Ohio State
Cedars
Temple
Tulane

thanks!

For cards:

Vandy = NW > MSSM = UAB (although mainly regional) > Pitt > OSU = Cedars > Temple (don't know where Tulane falls here)

Generally speaking, however:

Vandy > NW = MSSM = UAB (just depends on location preference, all strong programs > Pitt > OSU > Cedars > Tulane > Temple

my $0.02

 

[gold&black2005]

Do people really rank places like Brigham 6th? I find it hard to believe, considering programs like BWH and JHU and UCSF fill their spots within the top 100 or 120 or whatever it is of their rank lists....Considering the programs interview a lot of the same people, for them to only go that low on their rank list means pretty much everyone who interviews there must rank them in the top 2-3. Perhaps as match ROL certification day rolls around, it will become your #1. I could see putting places like Upenn or Columbia higher on a list if location is important to you, but to pass up an opportunity like BWH for some of the other places on your list seems like career suicide..Unless you really plan on being a ocmmunity general internal med doc with little research involvement, in which case it probably won't matter much.

While this post is a little BWH-centric, I agree with the general point: location can lead you to make certain choices, but only to a point. Harbor, Cedars and Kaiser (whether LA or NorCal) are all significantly inferior to the Brigham - which, many would argue, is the top program in the country these days (and certainly one of the most selective). if you hated the East Coast so bad, why even apply?

That being said - verbal assassin's entitled to his opinions, and he asked for a rank of his options. If I were looking strictly at quality of program, I'd rank this way:

BWH > Stanford > UCSD > Pitt > Harbor > Cedars > Kaiser

Factoring in the West Coast love:

Stanford > UCSD > BWH > Harbor > Pitt > Cedars > Kaiser

Hope this helps, assassin!

 

[gold&black2005]

On a totally unrelated note, is everyone about done with interviews yet? I think I may be the only idgit who still has 10+ to go. (the joys of the couples match...mentalgymnast, I don't wanna hear it out of you.)

 

[Scaredshizzles]

For cards:

Vandy = NW > MSSM = UAB (although mainly regional) > Pitt > OSU = Cedars > Temple (don't know where Tulane falls here)

Generally speaking, however:

Vandy > NW = MSSM = UAB (just depends on location preference, all strong programs > Pitt > OSU > Cedars > Tulane > Temple

my $0.02

Mt. Sinai might be at the top of the list for fellowships out of these programs...They are well connected in the NYC area.

 

[verbalassasin]

No UCSF or UCLA? Really surprised you don't have these guys on there (for whatever reason). You must really love the west coast to put Kaiser & Cedars over BWH.

Got Rejects from UCLA and UCSF so thats why their not on my list.

 

[gls5377]

Need help ranking them 1-3. Interested in Heme Onc for fellowship.

 

[EPADHA]

Looking for Cards fellowship.

Northwestern
UAB
Vandy
Mount Sinai - NYC
Pittsburgh
Ohio State
Cedars
Temple
Tulane

thanks!

Based on perceived academic reputation of cardiology departments ..
NW> UAB=MS> Vanderbilt=Pitt=Cedars> Ohio State> Tulane=Temple

I might not put Vandy as high-although its a research powerhouse, I am not sure why its reputation in academic for clinical training has not caught on.

 

[tarlovcyst]

I'm surprised. With you guys interviewing all over the country, how do you answer the question "What connection do you have to our university?" I didn't know how to answer this one at places I have never even been to before.

Anyway, I'm surprised a lot of you guys only have like 5-7 places on that rank list. Statistics show 8.7 is the average number on the rank list to nearly guarantee a match. And especially with some of those top places you guys have, I would even try to rank more. The average of those going unmatched had about 4.7 places on their rank list. Not to mention the estimated 20% increase in IM this year.

 

[Hassler]

Anyway, I'm surprised a lot of you guys only have like 5-7 places on that rank list.

Not sure about other people, but I only listed part of my ROL.

 

[tarlovcyst]

I need some help ranking the following IM programs：

Baylor
Montefiore
Robert Wood Johnson
UCLA Harbor
UCLA Olive View
U of Illinois-Chicago
UT Houston

I'm interested in Heme/onc, but overall just want a place that will provide me with good IM training that has good fellowship match, so I'm not necessarily looking for a rank list of heme/onc programs. I have some ideas myself, but want second opinions to see what others think. Thanks!

I'll start with yours. Keep in mind that your places are pretty much all over the US. So if you have no geographic preference and if you only care about that heme/onc business, then I suggest-
Montefiore, Harbor, RWJ, Baylor, UT-Houston, UIC, Olive View

At Monte, you're going to get worked hard. But it pays off if you're thinking about fellowship. With Habor, you're likely to stay within UCLA system. At RWJ, they prefer to take their own heme / onc. Baylor hasn't matched anyone at MD anderson recently, if I remember correctly. Don't know much about UT-Houston, UIC, but I do know Olive View residents prefer general medicine?

 

[polarbare]

Please help me rank the following programs: considering a GIM fellowship, interested in health policy, location is not a significant consideration.

UCSF
UCLA
Mayo
MGH
Penn
Yale
Columbia
Cornell
JH Bayview

 

[Mental Gymnast]

On a totally unrelated note, is everyone about done with interviews yet? I think I may be the only idgit who still has 10+ to go. (the joys of the couples match...mentalgymnast, I don't wanna hear it out of you.)

Gold&Black,

I hear that in the couples match, the stronger partner "lifts" the other up in the match. Unfortunately, your partner is going to be lifting a lot of dead weight on her own here. God bless her

 

[Mental Gymnast]

Please help me rank the following programs: considering a GIM fellowship, interested in health policy, location is not a significant consideration.

UCSF
UCLA
Mayo
MGH
Penn
Yale
Columbia
Cornell
JH Bayview

MGH, UCSF on top, possibly with Bayview

Columbia, Penn

then Yale/Cornell/Mayo/UCLA


MGH has top notch clinical training program, has Institute for Health Policy with renowned policy leaders, and has affiliations with all harvard resources for policy (Harvard School of Public Health, Kennedy School of Government, etc)

I loved UCSF. On the west coast, Stanford seems to have a pretty policy-heavy program but with arguably weaker clinical training than UCSF. There are a ton of opportunities to interact with Dept of Public Health, policy research, etc (One of the current primary care chief residents at the general is going to work along the lines of deputy public health commissioner) These two programs easily provide top-notch clinical training and policy opportunities without sacrificing one over the other.

As for bayview, people might argue that Osler program has better clinical training. For Columbia, people might argue is great for clinical training but with a very different GIM track than other programs (less opportunity for policy, primary care, research).

Can't go wrong with any of these places on your list though. Congratulations and good luck!

 

[intmed3]

I'm surprised. With you guys interviewing all over the country, how do you answer the question "What connection do you have to our university?" I didn't know how to answer this one at places I have never even been to before.

Anyway, I'm surprised a lot of you guys only have like 5-7 places on that rank list. Statistics show 8.7 is the average number on the rank list to nearly guarantee a match. And especially with some of those top places you guys have, I would even try to rank more. The average of those going unmatched had about 4.7 places on their rank list. Not to mention the estimated 20% increase in IM this year.

My response has been to talk about why I like the program/area and try to give them specifics about why I would actually move to the area. So something like "While I don't have any connection to University A, I've heard good things from current residents, and really like XXXX about the program." For the most part, I think people just want to see that you've thought about what it would be like to live in the area and go to their program and that you didn't apply solely for "name recognition" or you randomly checked off boxed on ERAS.

 

[jdh71]

Do people really rank places like Brigham 6th? I find it hard to believe, considering programs like BWH and JHU and UCSF fill their spots within the top 100 or 120 or whatever it is of their rank lists....Considering the programs interview a lot of the same people, for them to only go that low on their rank list means pretty much everyone who interviews there must rank them in the top 2-3. Perhaps as match ROL certification day rolls around, it will become your #1. I could see putting places like Upenn or Columbia higher on a list if location is important to you, but to pass up an opportunity like BWH for some of the other places on your list seems like career suicide..Unless you really plan on being a ocmmunity general internal med doc with little research involvement, in which case it probably won't matter much.

Stanford, UCSD, and Harbor are hardly "career suicide"

 

[jdh71]

I'm surprised. With you guys interviewing all over the country, how do you answer the question "What connection do you have to our university?" I didn't know how to answer this one at places I have never even been to before.

Anyway, I'm surprised a lot of you guys only have like 5-7 places on that rank list. Statistics show 8.7 is the average number on the rank list to nearly guarantee a match. And especially with some of those top places you guys have, I would even try to rank more. The average of those going unmatched had about 4.7 places on their rank list. Not to mention the estimated 20% increase in IM this year.

Those are not the IM stats. Almost ALL american grads match in their top 3. You must have gotten some bad info.

 

[jdh71]

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[Scaredshizzles]

Stanford, UCSD, and Harbor are hardly "career suicide"

Compared to BWH? UCSD had 3 cards fellowship matches in 2008, 1 at USC, 1 at UCSD, and just one at UW. The year before, one at UCSD, one at Baylor. In 2006, UCLA, UC-Davis, Loma Linda, and UC Irvine.

Their GI matches last year? Just one, to good samaritan. The year before, one GI match to UCSD and that is all. The year before that? One GI at UC Irvine, one at New Mexico.

A total of 4 GI matches over 3 years, none at a strong institution. A total of 9 cards matches in 3 years, two pretty strong ones at UCLA and UW, and 7 mediocre ones.

You have to be nuts to think it is okay to put UCSD over Brigham, unless you absolutely have to stay in San Diego for family reasons.

Stanford is obviously stronger, but it is no where near the league as Brigham. They have a few residents who went to HMS and are the MD-PHD types, and they tend to get fellowships back in the Boston area, but their average resident does no where near as well as the top programs.

Imo, it would be a really bad decision if your only tie to Cali is that you grew up there and you like the weather/the laid back personalities. You can always go back to practice in California, after you've made very strong ties at a place like Brigham. You have to put Brigham at least #2 on your list, and honestly #1 would be much better in the long run.

 

[motoo]

priorities for me are excellent clinical training (Strong didactics + strong "learn by doing" environment) and diversity of residents. not interested in fellowship. how would you rank these:


University of illinois - chicago
northwestern
university of chicago
rush
loyola
cook county hospital
indiana university
medical college of wisconsin

 

[ResidentMD]

priorities for me are excellent clinical training (Strong didactics + strong "learn by doing" environment) and diversity of residents. not interested in fellowship. how would you rank these:


University of illinois - chicago
northwestern
university of chicago
rush
loyola
cook county hospital
indiana university
medical college of wisconsin

If that is your whole and sole criteria, honestly, Cook County. No jokes.