Official 2009/2010 rank list help thread

[sk8bored]

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Need help with the middle of my rank list. Specifically UTSW vs. Northwestern for Heme-Onc. From what people have been posting, it seems like UTSW is the obvious choice, but I don't necessary see all the hard work translates to "amazing" fellowship matches compared to NW. NW just seems like a happier place, but I'm wondering if I should suck it up and deal with a tougher program if it will make me a better physician. Location doesn't matter. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance to those who have thoughts!

 

[chitown82]

Interested in GI...

(In no specific order):

Pittsburgh
Brown
U of Rochester
Dartmouth
Rush
UIC
Loyola
UAB

With no respect to location:

UAB=Pitt>Rochester=UIC=Brown>Dartmouth>Loyola>Rush

 

[runner0645]

Oh, also... I would put Rush over UIC, and Michigan over U of Minn.

Yes. U of Wisconsin seemed to be mostly married people-all but one who was at my dinner were married. The one single resident sat at my table at the dinner and seemed very disgruntled about this. Not that I think it's something worth basing the entire decision on, but it's definitely something I'm taking into consideration.

And Rush over UIC-no way. (sorry, I know you're simply responding to the advice I solicited)

 

[chitown82]

And Rush over UIC-no way. (sorry, I know you're simply responding to the advice I solicited)

Agreed.

 

[chitown82]

Need help with the middle of my rank list. Specifically UTSW vs. Northwestern for Heme-Onc. From what people have been posting, it seems like UTSW is the obvious choice, but I don't necessary see all the hard work translates to "amazing" fellowship matches compared to NW. NW just seems like a happier place, but I'm wondering if I should suck it up and deal with a tougher program if it will make me a better physician. Location doesn't matter. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance to those who have thoughts!

UTSW and NU gave off very different vibes - which one did you feel more comfortable at? NU is certainly a "cush" program while UTSW is much more intense. It appears that UTSW is superior in terms of the clinical training environment (rigor, diversity of patients, hands-on experience) but NU wins when it comes to resident happiness, fellowship placement, and facilities. If you are more of the go-getter type, pick UTSW. If you're more chill, pick NU.

 

[sk8bored]

Thanks chitown. I think I'm a go getter who needs to chill out!

 

[hooniedee]

Hi guys, I'm interested in GI and I wanted to hear your thoughts on where you'd rank NYU vs Yale?

NYU:
pro- liked PD, lots of autonomy, extensive match list
cons- cost of living in NYC

Yale:
pro- magnificent facilities, seasoned attendings, lots of research opportunities, Ivy reputation

cons- q4 overnight call on floors, was not impressed by GI match list, nothing much going on in New Haven

Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks!

 

[chitown82]

Thanks chitown. I think I'm a go getter who needs to chill out!

Awesome. 🙂 Me too.

 

[surfdoc84]

Is this the kind of info people are really seeking? Seems pretty useless to me, I mean anyone from hSDN could could put that together.

Surfdoc-I don't think we met but we definitely covered a lot of the same ground. Here are my thoughts (anyone please feel free to tell me if you think they are worthless I can take it)

UW-Awesome city, lived there for a while. Rain in city=snow in mountains. Go east through the mts. and the other side is a desert. Seriously, I think Seattle is quite easily the greatest city in the U.S., there is more to do within a days drive than anywhere else in the U.S.. You can go surfing, climbing, whitewater rafting, SCUBA diving, sailing, fishing, hiking all on a day's afternoon. I know the program has a big reputation and since I love Seattle so much I went there expecting to be wowed. I wasn't, I was really underwhelmed. I like the PD and what he was looking to do but I felt like his vision was just that a vision of what the place could be not what the place was. Certainly people get good fellowships from here but I was really surprised at the lack of discourse during morning report, they just kinda run through the admit from overnight and don't really analyze/discuss one single case. Also there was no hesitation from the residents admitting that the primary care side of the program was in name only.

OHSU-I saw it from your list earlier but noticed it wasn't in your top 3, kinda surprised, I'll give it a little love. I went to OHSU right after UW and was way more impressed. I am not on the W. Coast so I don't have the immediate bias of which name gets people off easier but I felt like the program was higher quality and that you would definitely get better teaching there. Portland is a great city from what I hear. I've had a lot of friends from Seattle move down there and say Portland even better than Seattle so that is a huge endorsement. The PD seems like a really great guy and is very dedicated and active in the world of IM resident education. Seems interested in being ahead of the curve in terms of curricular development rather than playing catchup.

Colorado-Very much liked the residents, it may have had a lot to do with the fact that on the preinterview dinner I played pool and drank beer and didn't have any painful conversations. The program seemed very strong and the residents very laid back but intellectually engaged. I had heard there were some issues with regards to the new hospitals in particular the ER and increased medicine admissions without any increase in the size of the non-teaching service. essentially all those admissions just got pilled onto the medicine teaching service, i.e. the residents. In asking about this it sounds like that has finally been brought under control. This isn't unusual and definitley occurs anytime someone opens or expands new ERs. Otherwise I don't really know enough about the program to feel too comfortable making any judgements.

Brown-One of the biggest RI fans around. Surfing can be very good sporadically and usually during the fall with hurricane season. Brown is essentially the only show in town for a very diverse and huge patient population. Went to med school here and really like the program. The PDs are some of the greatest people I've met in medicine and are super supportive. People seem to do well for the fellowships they want but the place isn't packed with the kind of obsessive annoying types that fill the SDN pages.

That's probably more than you wanted and I can't bring myself to actually rank them for you which may have been all you wanted anyway...

Thanks for the information, it was definitely helpful. I think I may have gotten a little better impression of UW than you did, but who knows, could have been the interview day....Other than that, I tend to agree with most of your general impressions. I guess at this point I'm just looking for someone to make my mind up for me, anyone have a magic eight ball???

 

[S Chicago]

Agreed.

What is it about UIC that makes you both prefer it over Rush?

 

[motoo]

What is it about UIC that makes you both prefer it over Rush?

agreed x 3. My reasons: more autonomy, more research, lighter call schedule and more consistent didactics. both have happy and diverse residents. Rush wins for its facilities (which are both being expanded and renovated), better reputation within chicago, and overall greater resident benefits

 

[runner0645]

agreed x 3. My reasons: more autonomy, more research, lighter call schedule and more consistent didactics. both have happy and diverse residents. Rush wins for its facilities (which are both being expanded and renovated), better reputation within chicago, and overall greater resident benefits

I wholeheartedly agree with the above. Additionally, just the overall feel at their interview days was drastically different. UIC had their game together, have great attendance at morning report, and I just felt like it was an organized, smoothly run operation. Rush...I didn't realize who the program director was until after 15 minutes into his welcome speech. There were about 6 residents at morning report, and the majority were called out at some point. Yeah, these are small details, but to me it is some reflection of the way the programs run.

 

[ImMaster]

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[motoo]

Northwestern: shortest drive for me (20-25 min), I like everything about this program (autonomy, facilities, didactics, etc) except I feel I might not fit in....most of the people seem to come from prestigious pedigrees/well-off backgrounds, do the traditional bars/clubbing scene, seem not to joke as much or more so share my style of humor, whereas i'm more from a blue collar/lower middle class background with a huge orientation towards my big extended family, tend to be laid back and joke around (though i'm just as driven as anyone), and also i'm not white whereas most of the patients/staff there are. I'm probably coming off as offensive but it's hard to explain the feeling. It's just I do notice a palpable difference b/w the environment I come from and feel comfortable in and the general culture of the people at NW

for anyone interested, seems like i'm not the only one who felt this (relevant discussion starts from post 6): http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=245755&highlight=northwestern

arghh...this sucks.

 

[chitown82]

What is it about UIC that makes you both prefer it over Rush?

-Research at UIC >> Rush. Even the Rush Chair told us during the interview day that Rush is in the bottom quartile or something for research so don't go there expecting great research opportunities.
-Fellowship Match at UIC > Rush. Look at the lists. Past few years residents have gone to Cornell (renal), UCSF (renal, rheum), Case (cards), NIH (heme/onc and ID), WashU (cards, GI), Michigan (cards), Miami (cards), Mayo (GI), UPenn (endo), UTSW (heme/onc). Rush matches mostly in-house but has had a few nice matches last year: UTSW (cards), Michigan (endo), Hopkins (rheum), MDA (heme/onc), Case (endo). Fellowship match was 100% at UIC last year. Not sure what it was at Rush but a poster did mention that two or three (out of six) GI applicants didn't match.
-No private attendings/private patients at UIC.
-UIC has the VA hospital where you spend a good portion of your time. I'm a big fan of VAs and it helps that the new VA is an amazing facility.
-More manageable (call) schedule at UIC that allows you time to actually read about your patients. Also makes it possible to get involved in research. The Chief at Rush's interview day said that he was so busy intern year he read a grand total of one time. He mentioned their philosophy is to just "do" during intern year and learn the "why" part when you are a second/third year.
-Didactics (AM Report) during the interview day at UIC was better. Very strong resident turnout (including interns), quite interactive, and the way Dr. Zar led the case was very cool. At Rush there were six or seven residents total and only one or two spoke up during report. No interns were present. The Rush Chief said its not common for interns to have time to attend conferences/report.
-Free MPH at UIC if you want it (ranked as top 15 or top 20).
-While this may not count for much for everyone, UIC appears to draw residents from "stronger" med schools. UIC's intern class comes from Northwestern, NYU, Michigan, UTSW x 2, UVa. Didn't see this trend at Rush. Again, it might not mean much to everyone but there seemed to be quite more FMGs at Rush.
-Based on what an admin told me, students who rank both, tend to rank UIC higher as UIC doesn't "lose" many to Rush.

-Rush definitely has the edge when it comes to facilties (especially with the new hospital that will open up during second half of R2 year). UIC's VA is a pretty awesome facility and you spend a good amount of time there so that helps.
-Ancillary staff at Rush is better than at UIC.

-The personalities of the residents at both programs seemed similar.

-It's not like UIC is on the same page as UChicago or Northwestern. It's much closer to Rush than to those programs but overall I'm confident UIC > Rush. Having said this, one's gut feeling can trump any or all of the above.

 

[ImMaster]

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[bachi]

interested in card, international health, or hospitalist .. location/reputation/resident happiness put together is difficult to rank! 😕

cleveland clinic
thomas jefferson
yale
UAB
rush (only 2yr accreditation cycle?)
ohsu
baylor
u cinncinati

any help appreciated!

 

[gutonc]

Simple question:

Rush or U of Minnesota?

Interested in cards, but also just curious about the general perception of both programs.

Don't know about Cards in particular but overall UMinn has a better reputation nationally than Rush. If you want to stay @ Rush or in Chicago, you may do better there, but Minn will serve you better elsewhere.

 

[schuedoc]

ROL deadline is fast approaching!

Am interested in research/academic career in H/O. I thrive in more independent environments. Geography isn't an issue. Based on that, any help with this list?

1) JHU
2) MGH
3) Brigham
4) Vandy
5) Duke
6) BIDMC

Thanks!

 

[Scaredshizzles]

ROL deadline is fast approaching!

Am interested in research/academic career in H/O. I thrive in more independent environments. Geography isn't an issue. Based on that, any help with this list?

1) JHU
2) MGH
3) Brigham
4) Vandy
5) Duke
6) BIDMC

Thanks!

BIDMC would probably get you a better h/o fellowship than Vandy and maybe even Duke. But great list in either case, might want to go a couple of more on your list (8 instead of 6) just in case.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Don't know about Cards in particular but overall UMinn has a better reputation nationally than Rush. If you want to stay @ Rush or in Chicago, you may do better there, but Minn will serve you better elsewhere.

I would second that. Rush will be over-shadowed by all the other Chicago programs, UMn is the second best program in Minnesota has a pretty strong reputation. Not too many people want to live there, but I imagine it has a lot (of attention to residents) to offer.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

interested in card, international health, or hospitalist .. location/reputation/resident happiness put together is difficult to rank! 😕

cleveland clinic
thomas jefferson
yale
UAB
rush (only 2yr accreditation cycle?)
ohsu
baylor
u cinncinati

any help appreciated!

1. Yale (good for fellowships and international health. Certainly can get a hospitalist job in Yale's affiliate hospitals.)
2. OHSU=UAB=Baylor
5. Cleveland Clinic
6. Jefferson
7. UCincinnati=Rush

 

[houstoncfh]

BIDMC would probably get you a better h/o fellowship than Vandy and maybe even Duke. But great list in either case, might want to go a couple of more on your list (8 instead of 6) just in case.

I don't know about that....plus Duke and Vandy are way more independent/autonomous than BIDMC.

 

[ResidentMD]

I don't know about that....plus Duke and Vandy are way more independent/autonomous than BIDMC.

I know what you are saying, but I think BIDMC matches way better than Vandy.

I would definitely say that Duke and Vandy are possibly better training programs (in almost all aspects) than BIDMC - its just the entire east coast + Boston + HMS thing, that puts you at a better vantage point for fellowships (though i havent seen Duke's match list - I suspect going from BIDMC to MGH/BWH for Cards would be easier than from Duke - would love a clarification on that, if present).

 

[houstoncfh]

Fair enough, though I don't agree.

Unfortunately, I tossed all my interview materials after I certified my rank list, so I can't do an apples/apples comparison between the two.

Oh well, them's the breaks 🙄

 

[Phineus]

I know what you are saying, but I think BIDMC matches way better than Vandy.

I would definitely say that Duke and Vandy are possibly better training programs (in almost all aspects) than BIDMC - its just the entire east coast + Boston + HMS thing, that puts you at a better vantage point for fellowships (though i havent seen Duke's match list - I suspect going from BIDMC to MGH/BWH for Cards would be easier than from Duke - would love a clarification on that, if present).

If you want to do cards in Boston, pick BIDMC. During my interview at Duke I was told that Duke grads match anywhere they want for cards (chief resident said that 10/12 matched to a top 3-5 program and the other 2 matched to a top 10) except at BWH/MGH. I remember seeing the MGH match list for cards showing only 5 grads going to BWH in the last 5-7 years (please correct me if I am wrong) with WAY MORE going to MGH (choice or chance?). In conclusion, I feel that MGH/BWH is very incestuous when it comes to cardiology fellowships with grads from programs like BIDMC and BU having a better chance of getting in than grads from Duke or Vandy.

 

[skirabbit]

I will be going into a fellowship for sure, likely cardiology. Considering this, can you offer advice on these:

rush vs ut-houston

Thanks!!!

 

[Scaredshizzles]

If you want to do cards in Boston, pick BIDMC. During my interview at Duke I was told that Duke grads match anywhere they want for cards (chief resident said that 10/12 matched to a top 3-5 program and the other 2 matched to a top 10) except at BWH/MGH. I remember seeing the MGH match list for cards showing only 5 grads going to BWH in the last 5-7 years (please correct me if I am wrong) with WAY MORE going to MGH (choice or chance?). In conclusion, I feel that MGH/BWH is very incestuous when it comes to cardiology fellowships with grads from programs like BIDMC and BU having a better chance of getting in than grads from Duke or Vandy.

Not so sure BIDMC gives you much of a chance at MGH/BWH neither. They have considerably fewer cards spots at those programs than is needed to even give spots to everyone within their own residency programs who is interested in going into cards. While perhaps BIDMC gives you a better chance than Duke, the odds are still heavily against you from any programs other than BWH/Duke. And certainly Columbia or UPenn residents seem to get chosen over BIDMC. Duke would definitely be the wiser choice than BIDMC, imo. The one Harvard program BIDMC has some success with is DFCI. One of the few non-MGH/BWH programs that sends residents there.

 

[newglarus]

mayo clinic vs. michigan

i'm from wisconsin and want to stay in the midwest. for fellowship i'm thinking cardiology but I'm not sure. thoughts?

 

[EPADHA]

mayo clinic vs. michigan

i'm from wisconsin and want to stay in the midwest. for fellowship i'm thinking cardiology but I'm not sure. thoughts?

this one is tough. But wd say Michigan

 

[Snuffbox]

mayo clinic vs. michigan

i'm from wisconsin and want to stay in the midwest. for fellowship i'm thinking cardiology but I'm not sure. thoughts?

I say Michigan

Michigan is ranked highly on my match list and I'm also interested in cardiology. They have some phenomenal EP work going on in Ann Arbor and a ton of research money. I also love Ann Arbor, its a phenomenal city. Mayo really does a great job with medical education. You can't go wrong with either, but I'd slightly lean towards Michigan (especially if you're single).

 

[ImMaster]

I will be going into a fellowship for sure, likely cardiology. Considering this, can you offer advice on these:

rush vs ut-houston

Thanks!!!

Tough call on this one especially for cards. I'd say it boils down to location since most of their placement is in house, which means 6+ yrs in Chicago or Houston. Plus for some reason, I think the work load at Rush might be slightly lighter...but I could be wrong. I'm kind of curious what others think as well.

 

[Beaner2424]

I am working on the middle of my list, and could use some input on Michigan vs. BU for #3/4 and Northwestern vs. U Chicago for #5/6. I am coming from a strong academic but slightly laid-back program, and am looking for a place with great academic training, smart residents, and happy people. I am planning a career in an urban underserved area, and want a place with decent global health training as well. Location isn't a huge issue. I'm debating between primary care and pulm/CC fellowship, but definitely don't want to limit my options should I suddenly decide on a competitive fellowship. I loved the academic training and people at Michigan, and the mission and patient mix at BMC. Thanks!

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I am working on the middle of my list, and could use some input on Michigan vs. BU for #3/4 and Northwestern vs. U Chicago for #5/6. I am coming from a strong academic but slightly laid-back program, and am looking for a place with great academic training, smart residents, and happy people. I am planning a career in an urban underserved area, and want a place with decent global health training as well. Location isn't a huge issue. I'm debating between primary care and pulm/CC fellowship, but definitely don't want to limit my options should I suddenly decide on a competitive fellowship. I loved the academic training and people at Michigan, and the mission and patient mix at BMC. Thanks!

I liked the mission of a place like BMC too and have ranked it decently high (including above Mt. Sinai and NYU). BUT, I would not rank it higher than Michigan. The way I see it, you have your entire career to serve the underserved if that is what you wish. But you should not limit your future options by choosing a place like that for your training. I think Michigan gets the clear edge there. I would also say UChicago should go above BU. I think NW and BU you can debate, they are entirely different kinds of programs. NW has the better reputation, but I can see someone with the goals you have, choosing BU over it.

 

[gutonc]

this one is tough. But wd say Michigan

No it's not. Michigan >>>Mayo. Not even a debate.

 

[ColtsMD]

I'm technically applying in Med-Peds, but since one of my primary criteria for the combined program is having strong categorical programs, I thought I'd check-in to see people's impressions of the IM aspect of my "top 10." (Don't worry about the peds side of things ... I'll ask about that on the peds forums. =)

I do plan to pursue a fellowship, but am interested first in a well-rounded IM experience. I'd like to find a place that is simultaneously rigorous and nurturing (a person can dream, right?). And I'm also prioritizing the quality of my co-residents (looking for bright/competent docs, but also people who are compassionate, committed, creative and love what they do).

Brigham
Duke
UCSD
Rochester
Minnesota
Brown
Cincinnati
Michigan
Baylor
MSSM
Baystate (Tufts)

(Yes, I know ... it's actually 11 programs. =)

Any advice would be welcomed. If any of these programs has real drawbacks/red flags, I'd love to hear about them ... I'd also love to hear about specific strengths of the programs you put towards the top of the list.

Thanks so much!

Dear Topsy/Turvey: just saw your post and wanted to comment on my own experience with the UCSD med/peds program. I was a prelim at UCSD last year and had several good colleagues (junior & senior) who were med/peds residents. They were by far the happiest and most talented group of residents, had their own med/peds identity and at the same time seemed very well integrated into both categorical programs. The program is rigourous but boy, those med/peds residents are some of the brightest and most impressive residents I worked with that year! I think a lot of their happiness stems from their own collegiality with one another which is nutured by their awesome med/peds PD. They ALL LOVE her (Wan)! As a prelim or categorical, we always sort of envied the med/peds residents because they had such a caring and supportive PD where as we had this new medicine PD (Muchmore) who was quite bizarre and not supportive of us as residents. The medicine training is rigorous and you do see lots of pathology and diversity. Out of your list, UCSD is by far the strongest med/peds program on the West coast, if that has any bearing on your decision.

 

[ColtsMD]

Since no one's biting.... I'll start. I've been struggling with my ROL and would really appreciate help. The only things to consider for me are to ultimately obtain a fellowship in pulm/crit in SOCAL, to be in a happy environment, and to obtain solid clinical training, even if that means that I have to work really hard.

UCSD
Harbor-UCLA
UCLA-Olive View
Cedars
UW
Scripps-Mercy
Scripps-Green

Would appreciate ANY input really. Thanks!

Dear codeblue: I was a prelim at UCSD last year and can tell you a few things about the state of the Pulmonary division at UCSD. There's been a lot of turmoil and the pulm/CC fellows are quite unhappy. The Chair removed the fellowship PD of several years whom all the fellows loved because the fellowship PD was trying to protect the residents and was replaced with what the fellows call a "yes" man. This manuever cleverly allowed the pulm/CC fellowship to extend their clinical training from 18 to 24 months of training. They say it is for "educational" purposes" but in reality the fellows told us it is so they can now use the fellows to do overnight call at Thornton ICU (which use to be covered by faculty at night). You see where I'm going with this. I gues I am just not sure if this is the type of environment that is going to foster your best chances to get into a top-tiered pulm/CC fellowship program when there is so much internal turmiol within the division.

 

[newglarus]

No it's not. Michigan >>>Mayo. Not even a debate.

i'm leaning in that direction. why do you say Michigan >>> Mayo?

 

[IntMed711]

I am working on the middle of my list, and could use some input on Michigan vs. BU for #3/4 and Northwestern vs. U Chicago for #5/6. I am coming from a strong academic but slightly laid-back program, and am looking for a place with great academic training, smart residents, and happy people. I am planning a career in an urban underserved area, and want a place with decent global health training as well. Location isn't a huge issue. I'm debating between primary care and pulm/CC fellowship, but definitely don't want to limit my options should I suddenly decide on a competitive fellowship. I loved the academic training and people at Michigan, and the mission and patient mix at BMC. Thanks!

I think among those schools, you should just go on location and where you'll like living. Can't really go wrong at any.

 

[IMmatch2010]

Hi everyone,
I'm new to SDN, but these discussions seem great and I wanted to see if you guys can help me out a bit.
I'm interested in heme/onc fellowship after residency. Geography is a great bonus, but career prospects come first.
Here are the programs I'm considering, in no particular order:

Northwestern
UW
UTSW
U of C
UC Denver
UC Irvine
BU
UNC Chapel Hill

Any thoughts, with focus on matching well into heme/onc afterwards?
Thanks a lot everyone. 🙂

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Hi everyone,
I'm new to SDN, but these discussions seem great and I wanted to see if you guys can help me out a bit.
I'm interested in heme/onc fellowship after residency. Geography is a great bonus, but career prospects come first.
Here are the programs I'm considering, in no particular order:

Northwestern
UW
UTSW
U of C
UC Denver
UC Irvine
BU
UNC Chapel Hill

Any thoughts, with focus on matching well into heme/onc afterwards?
Thanks a lot everyone. 🙂

The Chicago programs are pretty good at matching out for heme/onc over the years, even though UW and UTSW have more of the im reputation. You can certainly get some easy publications going at NW. UNC=BU=Colorado; UCI to round out the list.

 

[EPADHA]

interested in card, international health, or hospitalist .. location/reputation/resident happiness put together is difficult to rank! 😕

cleveland clinic
thomas jefferson
yale
UAB
rush (only 2yr accreditation cycle?)
ohsu
baylor
u cinncinati

any help appreciated!

Reputation wise
Yale> UAB> Baylor> Cleveland Clinic=OHSU ( believe me I have heard about CCF's graduates going to some strong programs for cardiology)

 

[conesus0276]

I'm new to SDN and I wish that I used this website more often in the past! Your suggestions on all the other threads have been great.

As our ROLs are almost due...I was hoping to get some thoughts from you all about my ranking.

For fellowship, I'm hoping to either go into GI>Cards=Pulm/CC. Other than having a good reputation and fellowship match success, I'd love the program to have a PD that is genuinely receptive to resident opinion and willing to change their curriculum accordingly (I'm interested in curriculum design and future Medical Education).

In random order:
UCLA
Northwestern
BWH
BIDMC
NYU
Mt. Sinai
UCSD

Thanks!

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I'm new to SDN and I wish that I used this website more often in the past! Your suggestions on all the other threads have been great.

As our ROLs are almost due...I was hoping to get some thoughts from you all about my ranking.

For fellowship, I'm hoping to either go into GI>Cards=Pulm/CC. Other than having a good reputation and fellowship match success, I'd love the program to have a PD that is genuinely receptive to resident opinion and willing to change their curriculum accordingly (I'm interested in curriculum design and future Medical Education).

In random order:
UCLA
Northwestern
BWH
BIDMC
NYU
Mt. Sinai
UCSD

Thanks!

If you're leaning towards GI, I think
1. BWH
2. UCLA=Mt. Sinai
4. Northwestern
5. BIDMC
6. UCSD=NYU

As far as places that might be focused on teaching, I think several on your list are pretty good for that. I believe at UCLA there were about 3 residents at morning report and most of us applicants were filling in the differential, but I don't know if that is a normal occurrence. They might not have stringent requirements for attending their didactic sessions. Also, the presence of applicants usually means less sitting room, so perhaps some residents would opt out of the report.

 

[Mental Gymnast]

I'm new to SDN and I wish that I used this website more often in the past! Your suggestions on all the other threads have been great.

As our ROLs are almost due...I was hoping to get some thoughts from you all about my ranking.

For fellowship, I'm hoping to either go into GI>Cards=Pulm/CC. Other than having a good reputation and fellowship match success, I'd love the program to have a PD that is genuinely receptive to resident opinion and willing to change their curriculum accordingly (I'm interested in curriculum design and future Medical Education).

In random order:
UCLA
Northwestern
BWH
BIDMC
NYU
Mt. Sinai
UCSD

Thanks!

With the exception of BWH, Mt Sinai is probably the best program on there for your career plans. It's a beast of a GI program, home of Dr Crohn 🙂

 

[obiwan]

Hi everyone,
I'm new to SDN, but these discussions seem great and I wanted to see if you guys can help me out a bit.
I'm interested in heme/onc fellowship after residency. Geography is a great bonus, but career prospects come first.
Here are the programs I'm considering, in no particular order:

Northwestern
UW
UTSW
U of C
UC Denver
UC Irvine
BU
UNC Chapel Hill

Any thoughts, with focus on matching well into heme/onc afterwards?
Thanks a lot everyone. 🙂

1. UW
2. UTSW/NW/UChicago
3. Colorado/BU/UNC
4. UCI

 

[holoo]

hey everyone,

Quiet confused at this point and would greatly appreciate your input. Insterested in Cards...based on the quality and reputation of the program which would you pick, UIC vs. Dartmouth? location is not that big of an issue as I have lived in the big city majority of my life.

 

[skirabbit]

hey everyone,

Quiet confused at this point and would greatly appreciate your input. Insterested in Cards...based on the quality and reputation of the program which would you pick, UIC vs. Dartmouth? location is not that big of an issue as I have lived in the big city majority of my life.

I didn't interview at either so don't know the details about the curriculum, etc, but based on "general knowledge" gained from sdn and my own knowledge, then definitely Dartmouth would be the one on top (especially if location is not a factor). Being a prestigious program, it'll open more doors in the future as far as fellowship placement when cardiology PD's see you came from Dartmouth.

 

[skirabbit]

Tough call on this one especially for cards. I'd say it boils down to location since most of their placement is in house, which means 6+ yrs in Chicago or Houston. Plus for some reason, I think the work load at Rush might be slightly lighter...but I could be wrong. I'm kind of curious what others think as well.

Hey ImMaster, thanks for your resposne. Check your PM.

Can anyone else offer any advice on this. I'm really confused and need help deciding between the two. Location is not a factor.

 

[ColtsMD]

I'm new to SDN and I wish that I used this website more often in the past! Your suggestions on all the other threads have been great.

As our ROLs are almost due...I was hoping to get some thoughts from you all about my ranking.

For fellowship, I'm hoping to either go into GI>Cards=Pulm/CC. Other than having a good reputation and fellowship match success, I'd love the program to have a PD that is genuinely receptive to resident opinion and willing to change their curriculum accordingly (I'm interested in curriculum design and future Medical Education).

In random order:
UCLA
Northwestern
BWH
BIDMC
NYU
Mt. Sinai
UCSD

Thanks!

I was a prelim intern at UCSD last year and if you are looking for an IM PD that is genuinely interested in the best interest of the residents and their medical education, then the new PD at UCSD is NOT it. A few of the APDs are good educators and the med/peds PD is a fantastic resident advocate but the main IM PD seems way out of touch with what is going on with the housestaff and is not connected with her residents. It seemed as though several of my categorical friends who wanted to do fellowships in GI/Cards or Pulm/CC ended up staying at UCSD but they had to be their own advocates.