Official 2017-2018 Help Me Rank Megathread [Internal Medicine]

[rokshana]

I'm going to pistolwhip the next person to say Iowa.

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[EPADHA]

Hello, I'd like to go to a program with strong clinical training that will help me get into GI. Help me rank!

Emory
WashU
UNC
USC
UAB
BU
UVA
Cedars-Sinai
Indiana
Brown

Wash U, Emory and UAB stand in a tier (or two tiers for WASHU) above other programs in terms of perceived reputation in academic circles.
Wash U> Emory=UAB

BU, USC, UVA, Indiana and UNC shd also provide strong clinical training. Cedars-I don't know.. I think it is a great institution for GI/Cards and has reputed fellowships.. don't know how much focused on GME they really are.

Actually all the programs on your list (i don't much about Brown) are decent; it is going to come down to how well you fit in to the program and how much research etc u can do.

 

[EPADHA]

Iowa actually based on what I know from my friend gives the first preference to its internal candidates for all fellowships, if they want to stay at the same program. I would not change your order

that can mean two things 1) either they love their residents too much (like Mayo Rochester) or 2) don't get great external candidates. Hoping 1) is true..

 

[elpapadeloshelados1234]

Hi guys,
I'm an IMG aiming for cardiology fellowship. I'm mostly undecided on where Einstein/KUMC should be on the list.

Would really appreciate your input on my ROL:

1. MGH
2. Mayo
3. Emory
4. Cleveland Clinic
5. Einstein Medical Center, Philadelphia
6. Kansas University Medical Center
7. University of Missouri, Kansas City
8.Case Western Reserve University, Metrohealth

Thanks!

Wow! Congratulations! What did you do to get those as an IMG?

 

[medhead1990]

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"you really aught to give Iowa a try"

 

[swiftmed]

Hi guys! I would like to have some input on these programs:
-New York Presbyterian/Queens (Cornell affiliated)
-Montefiore New Rochelle
-Lankenau

What do you know about them? Are they strong programs with a good reputation?
I would like to do Heme/Onc after residency! Thaaankss

 

[Anicetus]

Looking for some last minute input on rank list. Leaning toward hospitalist medicine, but would like to leave the door open to Pulm/CC. At this point #1 position is between Mayo (MN) and Utah. Was really impressed by the Utah program, and their emphasis on cost-effective care and health care administration is a great fit with my business background, so I'd especially appreciate feedback on the quality of training vs Mayo. Clearly Mayo has the reputation, research, and killer Rochester weather going for it, but I've also heard many positive things about Utah's program. Basically unclear on the gap between them and any definite regrets of not putting Mayo #1.

Mayo (MN)
Utah
UCSD
Scripps Green
OHSU
UC Davis
USC
UC Irvine
Cleveland Clinc
Others

Thank you in advance!

Don’t really know about your #1 but why did you put scripps green above usc, Davis, ohsu, etc? I’ve gotten the impression that unless you’re dead set on Southern California that people outside of the state haven’t heard much about it.

 

[doctorKAT]

Stony brook vs Medstar Washington? what are people's opinions on Stony Brook? In the doximity rankings, why is it ranked so low, even lower than lots of community programs?

 

[mauibob]

Don’t really know about your #1 but why did you put scripps green above usc, Davis, ohsu, etc? I’ve gotten the impression that unless you’re dead set on Southern California that people outside of the state haven’t heard much about it.

Location mainly. Strong community program, but yes, reputation doesn't extend beyond CA. I'll likely move it down a few spots as OHSU and UCD are great programs.

 

[868853]

Hi guys! I would like to have some input on these programs:
-New York Presbyterian/Queens (Cornell affiliated)
-Montefiore New Rochelle
-Lankenau

What do you know about them? Are they strong programs with a good reputation?
I would like to do Heme/Onc after residency! Thaaankss

It's unlikely that you'll find people with the answers to these questions. Your best bet is to see how many people they've match to heme/onc over the last few years. Check out their website if they post it publicly, or reach out to the programs if they do not.

 

[swiftmed]

It's unlikely that you'll find people with the answers to these questions. Your best bet is to see how many people they've match to heme/onc over the last few years. Check out their website if they post it publicly, or reach out to the programs if they do not.

Thank you for the response! I was hoping to get some inside tips but I will check on the web.

 

[Anicetus]

Location mainly. Strong community program, but yes, reputation doesn't extend beyond CA. I'll likely move it down a few spots as OHSU and UCD are great programs.

I’m personally just wondering about scripps as well because although they are great their fellowship matches are almost exclusively their in-house or regional vs mid tier academic ones on east coast (Hofstra LIJ/stony brook) that are a little more reliable overall for academic privileges.

 

[IMreshopeful]

I’m personally just wondering about scripps as well because although they are great their fellowship matches are almost exclusively their in-house or regional vs mid tier academic ones on east coast (Hofstra LIJ/stony brook) that are a little more reliable overall for academic privileges.

Yeah god forbid you go to such a MEDIOCRE fellowship program like Stony Brook or LIJ (NB: neither is mediocre)

Almost forgot the SDN elitism

 

[Anicetus]

Yeah god forbid you go to such a MEDIOCRE fellowship program like Stony Brook or LIJ (NB: neither is mediocre)

Almost forgot the SDN elitism

Correct me if I’m wrong, i bombed my verbal reasoning on the Mcat but I didn’t say or imply mediocre. I said mid tier which is damn good for someone like me with average stats. Mid-tier/high-tier/low-tier is used when comparing purely academic programs from what I understand.

 

[Centrum1]

Another Last minute help me rank

Currently I have UT-Houston and Hofstra at #4 and 5.

I have interest in both heme-onc and maybe cardiology. I feel like both are really good options, but I'm not sure which one is better??

I'm worried because with Houston - there's MD anderson association which is great, but it seems like there's a turf war going on with baylor. I got a really chill vibe there and loved it.

Hofstra - another good program and it seems like there's two hospitals LIJ which is brand new and Northshore - which seemed kind of old and run down. I couldn't believe that they pay 70k, but you are in long island (which isn't an ideal location for me as I would like to be near home (below southern belt).

 

[MentalStealth]

Struggling with the middle of my list: strong community programs (e.g. Scripps Green, CPMC) vs mid-tier academic places (e.g. UMD, Tufts, USC, UCD). Want to keep my options open for fellowship. @gutonc and any other residents/fellows/attendings opinions wanted.

 

[DBV]

Struggling with the middle of my list: strong community programs (e.g. Scripps Green, CPMC) vs mid-tier academic places (e.g. UMD, Tufts, USC, UCD). Want to keep my options open for fellowship. @gutonc and any other residents/fellows/attendings opinions wanted.

I was very impressed with umd match list this year. 11 to cards and 5 to gi. But I'm biased

 

[jigglypuff_]

The middle of my rank list:
OHSU, Cedars, USC, Michigan, BU, CWRU

Interested in cards and undecided on where I want to live long term.
Please help!!

 

[Nidhoggr_]

Another Last minute help me rank

Currently I have UT-Houston and Hofstra at #4 and 5.

I have interest in both heme-onc and maybe cardiology. I feel like both are really good options, but I'm not sure which one is better??

I'm worried because with Houston - there's MD anderson association which is great, but it seems like there's a turf war going on with baylor. I got a really chill vibe there and loved it.

Hofstra - another good program and it seems like there's two hospitals LIJ which is brand new and Northshore - which seemed kind of old and run down. I couldn't believe that they pay 70k, but you are in long island (which isn't an ideal location for me as I would like to be near home (below southern belt).

UT houston residents rotate through the heme/onc service at MDACC and BCM residents don't right now (just the wards). There really isn't a turf war. MDACC is gigantic and there is plenty of room for residents from both programs. You will get great heme/onc exposure at UTH and students still track into MDACC frequently.

 

[go lakers]

The middle of my rank list:
OHSU, Cedars, USC, Michigan, BU, CWRU

Interested in cards and undecided on where I want to live long term.
Please help!!

Michigan > OHSU = BU > CWRU = Cedars > USC

 

[gutonc]

The middle of my rank list:
OHSU, Cedars, USC, Michigan, BU, CWRU

Interested in cards and undecided on where I want to live long term.
Please help!!

UM
OHSU
USC/BU
Case (assuming real Case)
Cedars

 

[AlexMack12]

Another Last minute help me rank

Currently I have UT-Houston and Hofstra at #4 and 5.

I have interest in both heme-onc and maybe cardiology. I feel like both are really good options, but I'm not sure which one is better??

I'm worried because with Houston - there's MD anderson association which is great, but it seems like there's a turf war going on with baylor. I got a really chill vibe there and loved it.

Hofstra - another good program and it seems like there's two hospitals LIJ which is brand new and Northshore - which seemed kind of old and run down. I couldn't believe that they pay 70k, but you are in long island (which isn't an ideal location for me as I would like to be near home (below southern belt).

I don’t know a thing about TX programs (but I think you got some good advice already!). Just some info about Northwell (because I grew up in Queens, relatively close to the system). North Shore and Long Island Jewish have both been around for awhile (I was born at LIJ and unfortunately I’m nowhere near brand new ). They merged about twenty years ago to become North Shore-LIJ and then over the last couple of years morphed into Northwell as they bought up smaller hospitals and grew the system. Local reputation always put North Shore > LIJ but honestly both have always been solid hospitals.
There are lots of in-house fellowships and there is a tendency for people to enter the health system and never leave (do residency, fellowship, then join the system as attendings). I’m not sure if it’s because people CANT leave or they just self select not to (many of the residents are from the NY/Northeast area). So if you went there, I think you’d get decent training (they’re affiliated now with a med school but they’re still more on the community side than strictly academic) but I’m not sure if it would be that easy to relocate down south due to regional bias.
Good luck with whatever you choose!

 

[the argus]

I see a lot of people putting lots of weight on in-house fellowships and I didn’t really consider that that heavily (but I did check it out and it seemed to vary with no real conclusions). Let’s say the in-house match rate for your field is 30%, that’s still 70% who go elsewhere

It’s not just for the possibility of matching in-house. It’s so you can get LORs from subspecialists coming from an academic setting. You’ll probably also learn more in the subspecialty during residency in an academic setting.

 

[HandThrowaway]

Can someone help give me advice on UPMC internal medicine residency? I applied to another specialty that gets ranked for UPMC medicine for intern year and the only information I have is what is on the website. It be very helpful if someone can post their interview impression and the feel of the program. Thanks

 

[Redpancreas]

It’s not just for the possibility of matching in-house. It’s so you can get LORs from subspecialists coming from an academic setting. You’ll probably also learn more in the subspecialty during residency in an academic setting.

Sorry I wasn't clear. What I meant was putting weight on how many match in-house, not having an in-house fellowship which is obviously huge. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Redpancreas]

Can someone help give me advice on UPMC internal medicine residency? I applied to another specialty that gets ranked for UPMC medicine for intern year and the only information I have is what is on the website. It be very helpful if someone can post their interview impression and the feel of the program. Thanks

Residents were some of the more enthusiastic that I met on interview day. Good lifestyle and they emphasized how you could plan family events with predicted time off. It'd be good for someone who needed time to be with family. I think the fellowship match list was the best of all my interviews, but this was my highest ranked place. Lots of grumbling from applicants for some reason, but seems like a supportive program with lots of autonomy.

 

[whoknows2012]

Can someone help give me advice on UPMC internal medicine residency? I applied to another specialty that gets ranked for UPMC medicine for intern year and the only information I have is what is on the website. It be very helpful if someone can post their interview impression and the feel of the program. Thanks

Excellent training program has a great reputation. Pittsburgh leaves a lot to be desired IMO but people there seem to like it

 

[Barbecue]

Excellent training program has a great reputation. Pittsburgh leaves a lot to be desired IMO but people there seem to like it

It grows on you. Many of my classmates came in convinced they would leave, but quite a few of us end up getting sucked in it's a very livable city despite its few flaws

 

[whoknows2012]

It grows on you. Many of my classmates came in convinced they would leave, but quite a few of us end up getting sucked in it's a very livable city despite its few flaws

Ya don’t mean to hate, I’m just a big city kinda guy (nyc lifer)

 

[wiloghby]

My ROL as it stands now.

My priorities: 1) be in a large enough city where my spouse can get a good job as a manager/mba person; 2) fantastic clinical training with ample opportunities for research/education; 3) give me a leg up for unspecified competitive fellowship (undecided but just in case); 4) program that takes wellness seriously

A lot of this has been influenced by my SO's geographic needs and therefore probably doesn't make a lot of sense. But if there's anything that seems egregious in terms of wellness or quality of life (especially in the top half of the list) let me know.

1-3. MGH/Stanford/UCSF (order varies): At all of these programs I felt not only at home, but walked away from interview day with a list of mentors and research projects I could see myself picking up. I felt excited by the work being done here.
4. OHSU: Interview day was very modest and really undersold the place. Dr. Desai got so excited about the clear sunrise...I realized just how overcast this place must be most of the time. I spent a few extra days in Portland and spent more time talking with the residents, and I realized how outstanding both the city and the residents were.
5. Northwestern: Similar vibe that I got at MGH/Stanford/UCSF but I had to wear long underwear just to leave my hotel room.
6. Yale: OK, so I secretly made fun of my interviewers for saying Yale way too much. The name tags have "YALE" printed larger than both the name and medical school of the applicant wearing it. But the residents and program leadership seemed to be exactly what I was looking for, and I can overlook the rest.
7. Cornell: Dr. Gudi seems an incredible PD. The "private" vibe of yesteryear no longer applies here, I think. Best QOL of all the NYC programs but would prefer NOT to be in NYC. My interview day notes: "This place feels like home!"
8. UChicago: Nerdy residents (good thing) and approachable faculty; love the schedule and x+y but don't want to train at a 1 hospital system if it can be avoided.
9. UNC-Chapel Hill: loved the vibe here and the schedule is designed to maximize work-life balance and resident wellness; UNC and OHSU are the 2 best Wellness picks in academic medicine, I think; spouse doesn't want to move here, but am hoping I won't drop below #8.
10. UTSW: want to work in an incredibly well-funded academic program with multiple hospitals at its disposal? where you have autonomy from the get go? where you work hard but have x+y and hybrid inpt/outpt blocks to balance things? where they hand out Nobel prizes like candy for cardiovascular disease research? do you hate outpatient medicine? This is the place for you, as long as you don't mind Texas.
11. WashU: The best program with the worst elevators. You will learn to write grant proposals and balance clinical duties with research/waiting for elevators here...physician scientists will come out ready to earn some grants and hit the ground running. You will be ready to go anywhere and succeed, but will probably stay put. This is the whitest place I have been to in a long time..I felt a little out of place.
12. Mt. Sinai: Probably the best program in NYC in terms of overlapping with my research interests; clinical training a little stronger than Cornell in terms of autonomy according to my advisors; but it's still in NYC, and doctors here keep jumping off the buildings so i moved it down on my list.
13. Mayo Rochester: my spouse does NOT want to live here, but it was probably my favorite interview day overall in terms of program structure and leadership; residents were so modest and friendly too; so I stuck it in the middle of the list.
14. Duke: Residents at the recruitment dinner complained that "they only think you're a good doctor if you do 28 hour call all the time" and is the only place where more than one PGY3 complained about the amount of call. I don't see this as intentionally bad or malignant...more like a program taking graduated responsibility to its natural conclusion. Least long call intern year, more during PGY2, most/almost the same during PGY3. "Some people really like 28 hour shifts because you get the post call day off." I loved interview day and the PD and aPDs I met; it's just a little too intense for me.
15. Boston U: Solid research opportunities; great clinical training if you want that county hospital feel; x+y; what's not to like? I wanted multiple hospital system feel if possible, or at least a more diverse patient population, and so chose to rank MGH higher.
16. Tufts: Very, very small. I got the impression that interns don't take ownership during rounds, but rather round with the PGY2 who then presents to the attending. Seems interns are underutilized.
17. Columbia: I get it...it's fantastically rigorous clinical training that turns out great graduates. It is NOT for me.
18. Ohio State: 8+4 program that seems very onc/cardio heavy. People are humble and friendly, program boasts impressive reach in terms of fellowship match, and the city is amazing. Deserves to be higher, and I thought it would be honestly, but the city isn't ideal for my SO.
19. Brown: very similar to my home program,and it's time for a change. my spouse doesn't like Providence that much, which I think is a little crazy.

I tried not to let prestige or rankings guide my ROL...the top 3 are obviously some subset of "the usual suspects" but that's just because I truly, truly loved those programs on interview day. I think I tried to go into interview day by assessing each program on its own merits and not worry about the name. Having said that, I understand all these programs are great and I'd be happy at any of them.

 

[DBV]

My ROL as it stands now.

My priorities: 1) be in a large enough city where my spouse can get a good job as a manager/mba person; 2) fantastic clinical training with ample opportunities for research/education; 3) give me a leg up for unspecified competitive fellowship (undecided but just in case); 4) program that takes wellness seriously

A lot of this has been influenced by my partner's geographic needs and therefore probably doesn't make a lot of sense. But if there's anything that seems egregious in terms of wellness or quality of life (especially in the top half of the list) let me know.

1-3. MGH/Stanford/UCSF (order varies): At all of these programs I felt not only at home, but walked away from interview day with a list of mentors and research projects I could see myself picking up. I felt excited by the work being done here.
4. OHSU: Interview day was very modest and really undersold the place. Dr. Desai got so excited about the clear sunrise...I realized just how overcast this place must be most of the time. I spent a few extra days in Portland and spent more time talking with the residents, and I realized how outstanding both the city and the residents were.
5. Northwestern: Similar vibe that I got at MGH/Stanford/UCSF but I had to wear long underwear just to leave my hotel room.
6. Yale: OK, so I secretly made fun of my interviewers for saying Yale way too much. The name tags have "YALE" printed larger than both the name and medical school of the applicant wearing it. But the residents and program leadership seemed to be exactly what I was looking for, and I can overlook the rest.
7. Cornell: Dr. Gudi seems an incredible PD. The "private" vibe of yesteryear no longer applies here, I think. Best QOL of all the NYC programs but would prefer NOT to be in NYC. My interview day notes: "This place feels like home!"
8. UChicago: Nerdy residents (good thing) and approachable faculty; love the schedule and x+y but don't want to train at a 1 hospital system if it can be avoided.
9. UNC-Chapel Hill: loved the vibe here and the schedule is designed to maximize work-life balance and resident wellness; UNC and OHSU are the 2 best Wellness picks in academic medicine, I think; prefer Chapel Hill to Durham; spouse doesn't want to move here, but am hoping I won't drop below #8.
10. UTSW: want to work in an incredibly well-funded academic program with multiple hospitals at its disposal? where you have autonomy from the get go? where you work hard but have x+y and hybrid inpt/outpt blocks to balance things? where they hand out Nobel prizes like candy for cardiovascular disease research? do you hate outpatient medicine? This is the place for you, as long as you don't mind Texas.
11. WashU: The best program with the worst elevators. You will learn to write grants and balance clinical duties with research/waiting for elevators here...physician scientists will come out ready to earn some grants and hit the ground running. You will be ready to go anywhere and succeed, but will probably stay put. This is the whitest place I have been to in a long time..I felt a little out of place.
12. Mt. Sinai: Probably the best program in NYC in terms of overlapping with my research interests; clinical training a little stronger than Cornell in terms of autonomy according to my advisors; but it's still in NYC, and doctors here keep jumping off the buildings so i moved it down on my list.
13. Mayo Rochester: my spouse does NOT want to live here, but it was probably my favorite interview day overall in terms of program structure and leadership; residents were so modest and friendly too; so I stuck it in the middle of the list.
14. Duke: Residents at the recruitment dinner complained that "they only think you're a good doctor if you do 28 hour call every 4 days" and is the only place where more than one PGY3 complained about the amount of call. I don't see this as intentionally bad or malignant...more like a program taking graduated responsibility to its natural conclusion. Least long call intern year, more during PGY2, most/almost the same during PGY3. "Some people really like 28 hour shifts because you get the post call day off." I loved interview day and the PD and aPDs I met; it's just a little too intense for me.
15. Boston U: Solid research opportunities; great clinical training if you want that county hospital feel; x+y; what's not to like? I wanted multiple hospital system feel if possible, or at least a more diverse patient population, and so chose to rank MGH higher.
16. Tufts: Very, very small. I got the impression that interns don't take ownership during rounds, but rather round with the PGY2 who then presents to the attending. Seems interns are underutilized.
17. Columbia: I get it...it's fantastically rigorous clinical training that turns out great graduates. It is NOT for me.
18. Ohio State: 8+4 program that seems very onc/cardio heavy. People are humble and friendly, program boasts impressive reach in terms of fellowship match, and the city is amazing. Deserves to be higher, and I thought it would be honestly, but the city isn't ideal for my SO.
19. Brown: very similar to my home program,and it's time for a change. my spouse doesn't like Providence that much, which I think is a little crazy.

I tried not to let prestige or rankings guide my ROL...the top 3 are obviously some subset of "the usual suspects" but that's just because I truly, truly loved those programs on interview day. I think I tried to go into interview day by assessing each program on its own merits and not worry about the name. Having said that, I understand all these programs are great and I'd be happy at any of them.

Great list man but why the hell did you go on so many interviews??

 

[wiloghby]

Great list man but why the hell did you go on so many interviews??

There were interviews I turned down for sure. But I applied widely not expecting too much, and if I got an invite from a strong academic program, I added it to my interview calendar.

At some point I realized I was getting more interviews than expected and I wanted to cut down (and did cancel 3 interviews), but ultimately I felt that it would be hard to know which programs to cut without at least visiting and seeing them in person, so I decided to interview anyway.

OHSU would have gotten cut had I only done 12 interviews, for example, but instead I went and now it's #4.

 

[new2018]

Hope for competitive fellowships
Miami/Jackson memorial vs UIC vs rush vs Umass ?

 

[MentalStealth]

Struggling with the middle of my list: strong community programs (e.g. Scripps Green, CPMC) vs mid-tier academic places (e.g. UMD, Tufts, USC, UCD). Want to keep my options open for fellowship. @gutonc and any other residents/fellows/attendings opinions wanted.

Ok - asking for updated advice - trying to compare Maryland and Tufts. Which is a stronger residency program in preparing one for being either an excellent hospitalist or fellowship of one's choice? Thanks in advance!

 

[Yona33]

Wow - well done in terms of where you interviewed and the thoughtful summary. I would put some of these differently but nothing is crazy and it’s not my list.

I suspect given where you interviewed you will match in your top 3. I know these 3 very well so feel free to message me if you want to discuss specific questions/more details about them.

Good luck!

My ROL as it stands now.

My priorities: 1) be in a large enough city where my spouse can get a good job as a manager/mba person; 2) fantastic clinical training with ample opportunities for research/education; 3) give me a leg up for unspecified competitive fellowship (undecided but just in case); 4) program that takes wellness seriously

A lot of this has been influenced by my SO's geographic needs and therefore probably doesn't make a lot of sense. But if there's anything that seems egregious in terms of wellness or quality of life (especially in the top half of the list) let me know.

1-3. MGH/Stanford/UCSF (order varies): At all of these programs I felt not only at home, but walked away from interview day with a list of mentors and research projects I could see myself picking up. I felt excited by the work being done here.
4. OHSU: Interview day was very modest and really undersold the place. Dr. Desai got so excited about the clear sunrise...I realized just how overcast this place must be most of the time. I spent a few extra days in Portland and spent more time talking with the residents, and I realized how outstanding both the city and the residents were.
5. Northwestern: Similar vibe that I got at MGH/Stanford/UCSF but I had to wear long underwear just to leave my hotel room.
6. Yale: OK, so I secretly made fun of my interviewers for saying Yale way too much. The name tags have "YALE" printed larger than both the name and medical school of the applicant wearing it. But the residents and program leadership seemed to be exactly what I was looking for, and I can overlook the rest.
7. Cornell: Dr. Gudi seems an incredible PD. The "private" vibe of yesteryear no longer applies here, I think. Best QOL of all the NYC programs but would prefer NOT to be in NYC. My interview day notes: "This place feels like home!"
8. UChicago: Nerdy residents (good thing) and approachable faculty; love the schedule and x+y but don't want to train at a 1 hospital system if it can be avoided.
9. UNC-Chapel Hill: loved the vibe here and the schedule is designed to maximize work-life balance and resident wellness; UNC and OHSU are the 2 best Wellness picks in academic medicine, I think; spouse doesn't want to move here, but am hoping I won't drop below #8.
10. UTSW: want to work in an incredibly well-funded academic program with multiple hospitals at its disposal? where you have autonomy from the get go? where you work hard but have x+y and hybrid inpt/outpt blocks to balance things? where they hand out Nobel prizes like candy for cardiovascular disease research? do you hate outpatient medicine? This is the place for you, as long as you don't mind Texas.
11. WashU: The best program with the worst elevators. You will learn to write grant proposals and balance clinical duties with research/waiting for elevators here...physician scientists will come out ready to earn some grants and hit the ground running. You will be ready to go anywhere and succeed, but will probably stay put. This is the whitest place I have been to in a long time..I felt a little out of place.
12. Mt. Sinai: Probably the best program in NYC in terms of overlapping with my research interests; clinical training a little stronger than Cornell in terms of autonomy according to my advisors; but it's still in NYC, and doctors here keep jumping off the buildings so i moved it down on my list.
13. Mayo Rochester: my spouse does NOT want to live here, but it was probably my favorite interview day overall in terms of program structure and leadership; residents were so modest and friendly too; so I stuck it in the middle of the list.
14. Duke: Residents at the recruitment dinner complained that "they only think you're a good doctor if you do 28 hour call all the time" and is the only place where more than one PGY3 complained about the amount of call. I don't see this as intentionally bad or malignant...more like a program taking graduated responsibility to its natural conclusion. Least long call intern year, more during PGY2, most/almost the same during PGY3. "Some people really like 28 hour shifts because you get the post call day off." I loved interview day and the PD and aPDs I met; it's just a little too intense for me.
15. Boston U: Solid research opportunities; great clinical training if you want that county hospital feel; x+y; what's not to like? I wanted multiple hospital system feel if possible, or at least a more diverse patient population, and so chose to rank MGH higher.
16. Tufts: Very, very small. I got the impression that interns don't take ownership during rounds, but rather round with the PGY2 who then presents to the attending. Seems interns are underutilized.
17. Columbia: I get it...it's fantastically rigorous clinical training that turns out great graduates. It is NOT for me.
18. Ohio State: 8+4 program that seems very onc/cardio heavy. People are humble and friendly, program boasts impressive reach in terms of fellowship match, and the city is amazing. Deserves to be higher, and I thought it would be honestly, but the city isn't ideal for my SO.
19. Brown: very similar to my home program,and it's time for a change. my spouse doesn't like Providence that much, which I think is a little crazy.

I tried not to let prestige or rankings guide my ROL...the top 3 are obviously some subset of "the usual suspects" but that's just because I truly, truly loved those programs on interview day. I think I tried to go into interview day by assessing each program on its own merits and not worry about the name. Having said that, I understand all these programs are great and I'd be happy at any of them.

 

[GFP]

Hi all. I have my #1 program figured out, but I need help sorting out the rest of the list. Currently interested in pursuing a heme/onc fellowship but also open to GI. I’m mainly looking for programs with strong training/research. Here is my list in order:

2. University of Minnesota
3. University of Alabama
4. University of Cincinnati
5. UT Houston
6. Utah
7. Iowa
8. Thomas Jefferson
9. Georgetown
10. USC
11. Wake Forest

Any input is much appreciated!!

 

[gutonc]

Hi all. I have my #1 program figured out, but I need help sorting out the rest of the list. Currently interested in pursuing a heme/onc fellowship but also open to GI. I’m mainly looking for programs with strong training/research. Here is my list in order:

2. University of Minnesota
3. University of Alabama
4. University of Cincinnati
5. UT Houston
6. Utah
7. Iowa
8. Thomas Jefferson
9. Georgetown
10. USC
11. Wake Forest

Any input is much appreciated!!

Utah should be 2 or 3. The list is otherwise fine.

 

[michiganred]

Hi all! This is my rough ROL as of now, but any input, especially on #3-8 would be much appreciated! I'm currently interested in cardiology and am looking for programs with responsive leadership, camaraderie amongst residents, and appreciation for wellness, amongst good clinical training and research of course. Thanks for any thoughts!
1. MGH
2. Brigham
3. BIDMC
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Northwestern
7. Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Vanderbilt
10. BMC
11. OHSU
12. Duke
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Wash U
16. UNC
17. Tufts
18. Mayo Clinic
19. Minnesota
20. Utah

 

[Yona33]

It’s your list, but given your priorities I would rank 3-8 as follows:
Stanford
Northwestern
Hopkins
BIDMC
Michigan
Yale

Good luck!

Hi all! This is my rough ROL as of now, but any input, especially on #3-8 would be much appreciated! I'm currently interested in cardiology and am looking for programs with responsive leadership, camaraderie amongst residents, and appreciation for wellness, amongst good clinical training and research of course. Thanks for any thoughts!
1. MGH
2. Brigham
3. BIDMC
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Northwestern
7. Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Vanderbilt
10. BMC
11. OHSU
12. Duke
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Wash U
16. UNC
17. Tufts
18. Mayo Clinic
19. Minnesota
20. Utah

 

[TAVR2sday]

Hi all! This is my rough ROL as of now, but any input, especially on #3-8 would be much appreciated! I'm currently interested in cardiology and am looking for programs with responsive leadership, camaraderie amongst residents, and appreciation for wellness, amongst good clinical training and research of course. Thanks for any thoughts!
1. MGH
2. Brigham
3. BIDMC
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Northwestern
7. Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Vanderbilt
10. BMC
11. OHSU
12. Duke
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Wash U
16. UNC
17. Tufts
18. Mayo Clinic
19. Minnesota
20. Utah

That’s a great list. 3-9 won’t limit you in any way in Cardiology. Duke and Wash U could probably be higher if your top criteria is an academic career in cardiology but that’s nit picking. Your order looks fine. Go with your gut and where you want to live.

 

[Barbecue]

Hi all! This is my rough ROL as of now, but any input, especially on #3-8 would be much appreciated! I'm currently interested in cardiology and am looking for programs with responsive leadership, camaraderie amongst residents, and appreciation for wellness, amongst good clinical training and research of course. Thanks for any thoughts!
1. MGH
2. Brigham
3. BIDMC
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Northwestern
7. Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Vanderbilt
10. BMC
11. OHSU
12. Duke
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Wash U
16. UNC
17. Tufts
18. Mayo Clinic
19. Minnesota
20. Utah

I don't understand these kinds of posts

 

[IMreshopeful]

I don't understand these kinds of posts

Agree...there’s literally no issue getting into any fellowship ever from this sort of list and it’s entirely a personality fit. I have literally nothing to contribute to this sort of list.

 

[michiganred]

It’s your list, but given your priorities I would rank 3-8 as follows:
Stanford
Northwestern
Hopkins
BIDMC
Michigan
Yale

Good luck!

Thanks! I appreciate the suggestion.

That’s a great list. 3-9 won’t limit you in any way in Cardiology. Duke and Wash U could probably be higher if your top criteria is an academic career in cardiology but that’s nit picking. Your order looks fine. Go with your gut and where you want to live.

Thanks so much! I do have location preferences, so I'll go with that.

 

[W19]

Anyone here received an email from Downstate PD about IM/HIV track?

 

[IMPD]

I don't understand these kinds of posts

When you look at statistics, ERAS shows that in 2001, the average AMG applied to 15 programs. In 2018, the average AMG applied to 32 programs.
PDs are discussing this change quite a bit and there is no consensus on how to proceed, but I'm of the opinion that this change has created problems that we still don't know how to mitigate.
The fear of missing out (FOMO) is real, AND the resources that are expended at interviewing at 20 programs (assuming this is not A+ trolling) stagger the mind.

Best of luck to the OP, not sure if we'll ever return to an average of 15 apps.

 

[Mido MD]

Hey Guys,
Can you help me in preparing my ROL?
I want to pursue cardiology after IM. So I want an IM program with good reputation, training and research to join a strong cardiology fellowship either away or in house. Also I want a friendly work environment (non malignant program).
From these aspects, what’s your recommendation regarding the ROL (specially 1st choices)?
The list
1- UMass Worcester, MA
2- University of Arizona College of Medicine Phoenix, AZ
3- University of Missouri Kansas City, MO
4- UConn Hartford, CT
5- Creighton University, Omaha NE
6- Lahey Hospital, Burlington, MA
7- St John Providence Detroit, MI
8- Texas Tech Lubbock
9- East Carolina University Greenville, NC
10- SUNY Downstate Brooklyn, NY
11- University of South Dakota
12- Western Michigan Kalamazoo, MI
13- Rochester Regional (Unity Hospital), NY
14- Staten Island University Hospital (Hofstra) NY
Thanks for your time and I appreciate any advice or modification

 

[Barbecue]

When you look at statistics, ERAS shows that in 2001, the average AMG applied to 15 programs. In 2018, the average AMG applied to 32 programs.
PDs are discussing this change quite a bit and there is no consensus on how to proceed, but I'm of the opinion that this change has created problems that we still don't know how to mitigate.
The fear of missing out (FOMO) is real, AND the resources that are expended at interviewing at 20 programs (assuming this is not A+ trolling) stagger the mind.

Best of luck to the OP, not sure if we'll ever return to an average of 15 apps.

Average number of initial ERAS applications may well be in the 30s for some time. But the number of programs you apply to has little to do with how many interviews you choose to go on. If you're afraid of missing out, you apply to a lot of programs. Once the interviews start rolling in though, any sane person would start tailoring which interviews they accept based on the kinds they're getting. If you got an IV invite from MGH, BWH, and Hopkins, why the f*** are you interviewing at Utah. It's just taking an IV spot someone else might have actually benefited from.

From classmates & folks I've talked with on the interview trail, the average # of interviews attended seems to be less than 15. More like 10-12. Anything more than that is excessive and bad judgment IMO

 

[michiganred]

Average number of initial ERAS applications may well be in the 30s for some time. But the number of programs you apply to has little to do with how many interviews you choose to go on. If you're afraid of missing out, you apply to a lot of programs. Once the interviews start rolling in though, any sane person would start tailoring which interviews they accept based on the kinds they're getting. If you got an IV invite from MGH, BWH, and Hopkins, why the f*** are you interviewing at Utah. It's just taking an IV spot someone else might have actually benefited from.

From classmates & folks I've talked with on the interview trail, the average # of interviews attended seems to be less than 15. More like 10-12. Anything more than that is excessive and bad judgment IMO

I understand the sentiment, but this situation is the product of coming from a non-top 50 med school and going into interview season intending to couples match. I think the real reform for helping with this problem would come if programs released interview invites at a standardized time. I had already been on 6 interviews in October by the time the invites in which I was especially interested came down the line.

 

[whoopsidaisy]

Hey guys! I would really appreciate your help with my list:

My priorities:
1) Get great clinical training with good prospects in pulm/CC or cardiology
2) Location: preferably Northeast or decent chance of ending up there for fellowship
3) Research and education
4) Visa (FMG here): will try my best to go on an H1B (to hopefully become eligible for research grants in the long run)

1. Yale: program leadership and residents were amazing and fellowship match was stellar; New Haven is...... okay but it’s between NYC and Boston; ample opportunities and awesome research
2-4. Boston U: really solid clinical training, and great residents, I just dearly love Boston; truly superb match in PCCM (and decent in cardiology); solid but not top research infrastructure
2-4. Vanderbilt: Phenomenal training and research environment, not a single doubt, but I guess I ultimately wanna end up in the Northeast and at the end, fellowship match seems very location-biased (?)
2-4. UPMC: awesome program leadership, and everyone that I met on my IV day was genuinely nice; really large catchment area and 4+4 seems amazing; but Pittsburgh…
5. UTSW: would like to put it even higher on my list, and I surprisingly loved Dallas, but it has J1 visa only
6-7. Tufts: nice residents, like a true family; is in Boston; good cardiology match but not so much in PCCM; seems to have good amount of autonomy(?), but ultimately a very small program in an environment that is oversaturated with hospitals, however research funding and opportunities are definitely there
6-7. Mayo: Hm… mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but great interview day and awesome research opportunities; it’s just SO remote and the prospects of having to live there for potentially 6-7 years seem very real (almost 90% of the residents this year stayed for fellowship, but that also seems like a good sign!)
8. CCF: Even more mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but nice residents, program leadership is very receptive to feedback; not a huge fan of Cleveland in general but low cost of living and lots of things to do; great opportunities to get involved in research and education
9-10. UMass: fellowship match is stronger than Rush (#9/10?) and good catchment area, solid clinical training, but J1 visa only
9-10. Rush: to be honest not much to say about their clinical training and has a weaker fellowship match, but I like Chicago! and has H1b visa
11. Mount Auburn Cambridge: I guess it’s affiliated w/ Harvard, so I hope to get introduced to some research opportunities
12-13. Pennsylvania Hospital (Pennsy): similar to #11 but belongs to UPenn system; J1 visa only
12-13. Albert Einstein Philly: rigorous clinical training, but not much research going on, surprisingly good fellowship match; J1 only
14. St. Elizabeth’s (Boston): nice residents, and fun new PD seems to have really transformed the program for the better, stronger fellowship match than #15; J1 only
15. Yale Waterbury: affiliated with Yale, honestly poor prospects in terms of fellowships, but it’s a very new program - so maybe there is some potential there? research opportunities are present; J1 only

//Thanks for your input so far! @gutonc or @wiloghby any suggestions?

 

[Barbecue]

Hey guys! I would really appreciate your help with my list:

My priorities:
1) Get great clinical training with good prospects in pulm/CC or cardiology
2) Location: preferably Northeast or decent chance of ending up there for fellowship
3) Research and education
4) Visa (FMG here): will try my best to go on an H1B (to hopefully become eligible for research grants in the long run)

1. Yale: program leadership and residents were amazing and fellowship match was stellar; New Haven is...... okay but it’s between NYC and Boston; ample opportunities and awesome research
2-4. Boston U: really solid clinical training, and great residents, I just dearly love Boston; truly superb match in PCCM (and decent in cardiology); solid but not top research infrastructure
2-4. Vanderbilt: Phenomenal training and research environment, not a single doubt, but I guess I ultimately wanna end up in the Northeast and at the end, fellowship match seems very location-biased (?)
2-4. UPMC: awesome program leadership, and everyone that I met on my IV day was genuinely nice; really large catchment area and 4+4 seems amazing; but Pittsburgh…
5. UTSW: would like to put it even higher on my list, and I surprisingly loved Dallas, but it has J1 visa only
6-7. Tufts: nice residents, like a true family; is in Boston; good cardiology match but not so much in PCCM; seems to have good amount of autonomy(?), but ultimately a very small program in an environment that is oversaturated with hospitals, however research funding and opportunities are definitely there
6-7. Mayo: Hm… mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but great interview day and awesome research opportunities; it’s just SO remote and the prospects of having to live there for potentially 6-7 years seem very real (almost 90% of the residents this year stayed for fellowship, but that also seems like a good sign!)
8. CCF: Even more mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but nice residents, program leadership is very receptive to feedback; not a huge fan of Cleveland in general but low cost of living and lots of things to do; great opportunities to get involved in research and education
9-10. UMass: fellowship match is stronger than Rush (#9/10?) and good catchment area, solid clinical training, but J1 visa only
9-10. Rush: to be honest not much to say about their clinical training and has a weaker fellowship match, but I like Chicago! and has H1b visa
11. Mount Auburn Cambridge: I guess it’s affiliated w/ Harvard, so I hope to get introduced to some research opportunities
12-13. Pennsylvania Hospital (Pennsy): similar to #11 but belongs to UPenn system; J1 visa only
12-13. Albert Einstein Philly: rigorous clinical training, but not much research going on, surprisingly good fellowship match; J1 only
14. St. Elizabeth’s (Boston): nice residents, and fun new PD seems to have really transformed the program for the better, stronger fellowship match than #15; J1 only
15. Yale Waterbury: affiliated with Yale, honestly poor prospects in terms of fellowships, but it’s a very new program - so maybe there is some potential there? research opportunities are present; J1 only

I'm biased, but I would definitely put UPMC higher, especially since you want to do pulm/CC, and Vandy above Boston. Also Pittsburgh is a great city, what are your reservations about it?