Official 2017-2018 Help Me Rank Megathread [Internal Medicine]

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Hello everyone,

I have applied for the IM residency match.
I am hoping to settle down in Northeast but don't mind shifting for a good program & I am interested in Cardio or Pull Crit fellowship
I want to work in a friendly academic environment (not malignant)

Can you please help me rank these programs (all categorical):
1. Saint Peter's University Hospital Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
2. Rochester General Hospital Program
3. Sinai Hospital of Baltimore Program
4. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai/St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
5. Nassau University Medical Center Program
6. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (Elmhurst) Program
7. NSLIJHS/Hofstra North Shore-LIJ School of Medicine at Forest Hills Program
8. St Vincent hospital program
9. Berkshire medical center
10. University of Central Florida/HCA GME Consortium Program (Osceola)
11. Raritan Bay Medical Center Program
12. Flushing Hospital Medical Center Program
13. Seton Hall University School of Health and Medical Sciences (St Francis) Program
14. Richmond University Medical Center Program
15. Danbury Hospital Program
16. ETSU
17. Good Samaritan Hospital (Cincinnati, OH)

Thank u for your time & I will be grateful for your advise
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michiganred said:
I understand the sentiment, but this situation is the product of coming from a non-top 50 med school and going into interview season intending to couples match. I think the real reform for helping with this problem would come if programs released interview invites at a standardized time. I had already been on 6 interviews in October by the time the invites in which I was especially interested came down the line.
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Same thing here. I come from a totally average medical school and top IM applicants routinely match lower down if they rank all the most prestigious places at the top. I also had scheduled 6 interviews at mid tier programs that were too late to cancel by the time I got interview invitations MGH or Stanford.

Even in cases where I could cancel in time, I had already booked airfare and hotel rooms. Programs like UTSW and WashU purposely send out invites before you know if you're going to be competitive with programs you'll probably end up ranking higher. They want you to commit to interviewing early so they get a chance to pitch to you. At my UTSW interview, back in October, the faculty member at my table during liver rounds was trying to convince us to only interview at 8 programs or so because of "how much energy it takes to do interviews". Hmmm....I wonder if there is some other reason they might push for that...

Also, even if I decided to eat the airfare or hotel bookings to cancel, I would have cancelled the wrong interviews in many cases.

I was so excited for Columbia and it was just an awful fit. I went to OHSU cuz it was too late to cancel and it's a top pick. I liked UNC better than Duke...I would have cancelled UNC and kept Duke if I were limiting my interviews.

Further, given geographic clustering it didnt really cost more to do 19 interviews than it would have to do 10 interviews. Give me a reliable way to tell on paper which program I'm going to like better and I'm all for it.

I want to go to the place I will fit best for 3 years...the Match, being contractually binding, is not something I want to take lightly and approach timidly for the sake of some concerned PDs.

If they think there's a problem they can approach it economically and disincentivize those who want to interview as widely as possible through changes to the process.





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DrSwissCheese said:
Hello everyone,

I am hoping to settle down in Northeast but don't mind shifting for a good program & I am interested in Cardio or Pull Crit fellowship
I want to work in a friendly academic environment (not malignant)
Can you please help me rank these programs:

1. Saint Peter's University Hospital Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
2. Rochester General Hospital Program
3. Sinai Hospital of Baltimore Program
4. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai/St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
5. Nassau University Medical Center Program
6. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (Elmhurst) Program
7. NSLIJHS/Hofstra North Shore-LIJ School of Medicine at Forest Hills Program
8. St Vincent hospital program
9. Berkshire medical center
10. University of Central Florida/HCA GME Consortium Program (Osceola)
11. Raritan Bay Medical Center Program
12. Flushing Hospital Medical Center Program
13. Seton Hall University School of Health and Medical Sciences (St Francis) Program
14. Richmond University Medical Center Program
15. Danbury Hospital Program

Thank u for your time & I will be grateful for your advise
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just based on discussions earlier in this thread, seems like the consensus is to put Sinai West/SLR above Sinai Baltimore as the JHU affiliation of Sinai Baltimore is super weak? at least if fellowship in the northeast is your top concern...

hopefully someone more experienced will weigh in

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Hello everyone,

I've already decided my top two. Now I'm looking at the rest of my list: strong community hospitals vs. university programs.

Is this a good list?

Rutgers
U Cincinnati
Jacobi AECOM
Scripps Green
MetroHealth CWRU

East coast is better for my family. Looking for cards fellowship placement. Any advice is appreciated! (@gutonc @wiloghby )
 
whoopsidaisy said:
Hey guys! I would really appreciate your help with my list:

My priorities:
1) Get great clinical training with good prospects in pulm/CC or cardiology
2) Location: preferably Northeast or decent chance of ending up there for fellowship
3) Research and education
4) Visa (FMG here): will try my best to go on an H1B (to hopefully become eligible for research grants in the long run)

1. Yale: program leadership and residents were amazing and fellowship match was stellar; New Haven is...... okay but it’s between NYC and Boston; ample opportunities and awesome research
2-4. Boston U: really solid clinical training, and great residents, I just dearly love Boston; truly superb match in PCCM (and decent in cardiology); solid but not top research infrastructure
2-4. Vanderbilt: Phenomenal training and research environment, not a single doubt, but I guess I ultimately wanna end up in the Northeast and at the end, fellowship match seems very location-biased (?)
2-4. UPMC: awesome program leadership, and everyone that I met on my IV day was genuinely nice; really large catchment area and 4+4 seems amazing; but Pittsburgh…
5. UTSW: would like to put it even higher on my list, and I surprisingly loved Dallas, but it has J1 visa only
6-7. Tufts: nice residents, like a true family; is in Boston; good cardiology match but not so much in PCCM; seems to have good amount of autonomy(?), but ultimately a very small program in an environment that is oversaturated with hospitals, however research funding and opportunities are definitely there
6-7. Mayo: Hm… mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but great interview day and awesome research opportunities; it’s just SO remote and the prospects of having to live there for potentially 6-7 years seem very real (almost 90% of the residents this year stayed for fellowship, but that also seems like a good sign!)
8. CCF: Even more mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but nice residents, program leadership is very receptive to feedback; not a huge fan of Cleveland in general but low cost of living and lots of things to do; great opportunities to get involved in research and education
9-10. UMass: fellowship match is stronger than Rush (#9/10?) and good catchment area, solid clinical training, but J1 visa only
9-10. Rush: to be honest not much to say about their clinical training and has a weaker fellowship match, but I like Chicago! and has H1b visa
11. Mount Auburn Cambridge: I guess it’s affiliated w/ Harvard, so I hope to get introduced to some research opportunities
12-13. Pennsylvania Hospital (Pennsy): similar to #11 but belongs to UPenn system; J1 visa only
12-13. Albert Einstein Philly: rigorous clinical training, but not much research going on, surprisingly good fellowship match; J1 only
14. St. Elizabeth’s (Boston): nice residents, and fun new PD seems to have really transformed the program for the better, stronger fellowship match than #15; J1 only
15. Yale Waterbury: affiliated with Yale, honestly poor prospects in terms of fellowships, but it’s a very new program - so maybe there is some potential there? research opportunities are present; J1 only
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Great list for IMG. Wd make sure that you have confirmed with programs on the list whether they can sponsor H1 etc. Would check Vanderbilt's policy. A lot of well-regarded and competitive cardiology programs may not sponsor H1B VISA-hence being on an H1B visa may somewhat limit your fellowship interviews. BUT AN H1B VISA IS A MUCH BETTER DEAL THAN J1.
Mayo (?autonomy) , Yale, Vanderbilt, UPMC (? ICU autonomy) and UTSW stand out in your list. Although CCF gets a lot of hate on this forum, it should enable you to match in to a decent fellowship as well.
 
This is an absolutely stellar list. Would you mind sharing your stats (Steps, research, etc)?

whoopsidaisy said:
Hey guys! I would really appreciate your help with my list:

My priorities:
1) Get great clinical training with good prospects in pulm/CC or cardiology
2) Location: preferably Northeast or decent chance of ending up there for fellowship
3) Research and education
4) Visa (FMG here): will try my best to go on an H1B (to hopefully become eligible for research grants in the long run)

1. Yale: program leadership and residents were amazing and fellowship match was stellar; New Haven is...... okay but it’s between NYC and Boston; ample opportunities and awesome research
2-4. Boston U: really solid clinical training, and great residents, I just dearly love Boston; truly superb match in PCCM (and decent in cardiology); solid but not top research infrastructure
2-4. Vanderbilt: Phenomenal training and research environment, not a single doubt, but I guess I ultimately wanna end up in the Northeast and at the end, fellowship match seems very location-biased (?)
2-4. UPMC: awesome program leadership, and everyone that I met on my IV day was genuinely nice; really large catchment area and 4+4 seems amazing; but Pittsburgh…
5. UTSW: would like to put it even higher on my list, and I surprisingly loved Dallas, but it has J1 visa only
6-7. Tufts: nice residents, like a true family; is in Boston; good cardiology match but not so much in PCCM; seems to have good amount of autonomy(?), but ultimately a very small program in an environment that is oversaturated with hospitals, however research funding and opportunities are definitely there
6-7. Mayo: Hm… mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but great interview day and awesome research opportunities; it’s just SO remote and the prospects of having to live there for potentially 6-7 years seem very real (almost 90% of the residents this year stayed for fellowship, but that also seems like a good sign!)
8. CCF: Even more mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but nice residents, program leadership is very receptive to feedback; not a huge fan of Cleveland in general but low cost of living and lots of things to do; great opportunities to get involved in research and education
9-10. UMass: fellowship match is stronger than Rush (#9/10?) and good catchment area, solid clinical training, but J1 visa only
9-10. Rush: to be honest not much to say about their clinical training and has a weaker fellowship match, but I like Chicago! and has H1b visa
11. Mount Auburn Cambridge: I guess it’s affiliated w/ Harvard, so I hope to get introduced to some research opportunities
12-13. Pennsylvania Hospital (Pennsy): similar to #11 but belongs to UPenn system; J1 visa only
12-13. Albert Einstein Philly: rigorous clinical training, but not much research going on, surprisingly good fellowship match; J1 only
14. St. Elizabeth’s (Boston): nice residents, and fun new PD seems to have really transformed the program for the better, stronger fellowship match than #15; J1 only
15. Yale Waterbury: affiliated with Yale, honestly poor prospects in terms of fellowships, but it’s a very new program - so maybe there is some potential there? research opportunities are present; J1 only
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Hi everyone,
Can you help me in preparing my ROL?
I want to pursue cardiology after IM. So I want an IM program with good reputation, training and research to join a strong cardiology fellowship either away or in house. Also I want a friendly work environment (non malignant program).
From these aspects, what’s your recommendation regarding the ROL (specially 1st choices)?
The list
1- UMass Worcester, MA
2- University of Arizona College of Medicine Phoenix, AZ
3- University of Missouri Kansas City, MO
4- UConn Hartford, CT
5- Creighton University, Omaha NE
6- Lahey Hospital, Burlington, MA
Thanks for your time and I appreciate any advice or modification
 
wiloghby said:
just based on discussions earlier in this thread, seems like the consensus is to put Sinai West/SLR above Sinai Baltimore as the JHU affiliation of Sinai Baltimore is super weak? at least if fellowship in the northeast is your top concern...

hopefully someone more experienced will weigh in

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Yes. They must have really force fed you the Hopkins affiliation at the interview day. This should be a red flag. It’s humbug.
 
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QUOTE="butterchicken, post: 19635592, member: 595673"]post-residency plans: probably general IM, maybe nephrology +/- cc

CCF
Greenwich hospital
SLU
Hofstra - Staten Island University
Jackson/UMiami
Santa Clara
SUNY Downstate
U of A - Tucson
U of A - South campus
Legacy Emmanuel[/QUOTE]

May I ask your reasons putting Staten Island so high? I think SUNY should be definitely higher than that and Jackson Memorial should be first choice either for a general internist or subspecialist. Broad pathology there.
 
michiganred said:
I understand the sentiment, but this situation is the product of coming from a non-top 50 med school and going into interview season intending to couples match. I think the real reform for helping with this problem would come if programs released interview invites at a standardized time. I had already been on 6 interviews in October by the time the invites in which I was especially interested came down the line.
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I think this would be really useful, and likely impossible for a variety of actually very good reasons. I think a lot of "mid-tier" applicants have this same experience. You figure you're not competitive for "top X" places, but don't have anything to lose but a couple hundred bucks by applying. You also apply to all the programs you figure you're competitive for, and they tend to be the ones that offer interviews earlier. So, you wind up accepting (and possibly going on) multiple "lower tier" interviews before you get the offers from the dream programs. So you wind up going on 20+ interviews anyway.

I honestly think the only way to manage this would be to limit the # of applications that could be sent out at one time.
 
Cinnamonroll said:
Hello everyone,

I've already decided my top two. Now I'm looking at the rest of my list: strong community hospitals vs. university programs.

Is this a good list?

Rutgers
U Cincinnati
Jacobi AECOM
Scripps Green
MetroHealth CWRU

East coast is better for my family. Looking for cards fellowship placement. Any advice is appreciated! (@gutonc @wiloghby )
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EDIT: you prefer east coast, so I'd leave your list as it is. Don't change a thing.
 
University of Nebraska vs
University at Buffalo vs
Einstein Medical Center Philly?
Major confusion - targeting GI in the future probably ! Please help and explain the choice you would make !
 
Hi guys
I am an IMG and uncertain about fellowship (GI > PCCM )
I would like to go to a place that would provide me with the best training and opportunity to pursue fellowship of my choice (No location preference as such)
My Rank List as of now:
1.Uconn
2.Louisville
3.Case Metrohealth (though university-affiliated but had good research opportunities)
4.Nymc westchester
5.Medstar Washington hospital (dsnt have in-house GI but chiefs match at good places)
6.SUNY downstate (no idea where to place it because of its malignant reputation, not too strong in house GI match)
7.East Carolina University (ECU) (got a good feeling about the program but felt lack of research opportunities, rarely match GI )

I am happy with my top 2 but really uncertain about 3-7. Would really appreciate some inputs @gutonc @wiloghby
 
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Barbecue said:
I'm biased, but I would definitely put UPMC higher, especially since you want to do pulm/CC, and Vandy above Boston. Also Pittsburgh is a great city, what are your reservations about it?
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Interestingly, UPMC doesn't really take their own for their Pulm/CC or CC fellowship and the residents seem to have limited autonomy in the ICU tbh... I did like Pittsburgh, and don't misunderstand me, I'd be very happy to match at UPMC, I really liked their program. I guess, I would like to maximize my chances of eventually staying at or moving to the East Coast, if that makes sense(?) and based on their previous match lists it seems less likely...

EPADHA said:
Great list for IMG. Wd make sure that you have confirmed with programs on the list whether they can sponsor H1 etc. Would check Vanderbilt's policy. A lot of well-regarded and competitive cardiology programs may not sponsor H1B VISA-hence being on an H1B visa may somewhat limit your fellowship interviews. BUT AN H1B VISA IS A MUCH BETTER DEAL THAN J1.
Mayo (?autonomy) , Yale, Vanderbilt, UPMC (? ICU autonomy) and UTSW stand out in your list. Although CCF gets a lot of hate on this forum, it should enable you to match in to a decent fellowship as well.
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Thanks! Unless I indicated "J1-only", all the programs seem to sponsor an H1B visa if possible. I agree with UMPC(?ICU autonomy) and Mayo (?autonomy). Would I be crazy to rank BU over Vandy or Pitt because of location preferences? Or is it just unfounded fear of missing out on good training opportunities? (Same goes for Tufts > Mayo > CCF)

@castaway1904 Happy to talk via PM!
 
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Salmanss23 said:
University of Nebraska vs
University at Buffalo vs
Einstein Medical Center Philly?
Major confusion - targeting GI in the future probably ! Please help and explain the choice you would make !
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UNMC => you will almost certainly get GI at UNMC, questionable ability to get it outside of UNMC - this isn't true of any of your other options
 
Hey everyone! Looking to do cards but am having a tough time with deciding the middle part of my list. So far I have it set up as:

Rush: great fit overall, from the Midwest and would love Chicago. Main concern is that most of the recent cards matches seem to be in-house. Also research seems like a bit of a weak point.

Tulane: also enjoyed the program and thought Dr. Wiese was a strong selling point. Fellowship matches seem solid. A little bit concerned about crime in Nola, plus think the city might be a little smaller than what I’m looking for. Have flip flopped this one with Rush mainly due to location.

IU: seems like a solid program in both fellowship match and training quality.
 
whoopsidaisy said:
Interestingly, UPMC doesn't really take their own for their Pulm/CC or CC fellowship and the residents seem to have limited autonomy in the ICU tbh... I did like Pittsburgh, and don't misunderstand me, I'd be very happy to match at UPMC, I really liked their program. I guess, I would like to maximize my chances of eventually staying at or moving to the East Coast, if that makes sense(?) and based on their previous match lists it seems less likely...


Thanks! Unless I indicated "J1-only", all the programs seem to sponsor an H1B visa if possible. I agree with UMPC(?ICU autonomy) and Mayo (?autonomy). Would I be crazy to rank BU over Vandy or Pitt because of location preferences? Or is it just unfounded fear of missing out on good training opportunities? (Same goes for Tufts > Mayo > CCF)

@castaway1904 Happy to talk via PM!
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Rep-wise, Vandy>BU, but if you really want to be in Boston then that's understandable. UPMC is probably on par with BU, either or doesn't matter, and Mayo goes down the list for many people, including myself, because of location. However, try not to constrain yourself for fellowship location as you may miss out on good opportunities elsewhere. The northeast doesn't have a ton of programs (as compared to the entire country) and it's very competitive as is, the fact that you're an IMG makes it worse, you may not have much choices in fellowships. At the end of the day, all your effort to end up in the NE for fellowship may be for naught.
 
DrSLR said:
UNMC => you will almost certainly get GI at UNMC, questionable ability to get it outside of UNMC - this isn't true of any of your other options
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Thank you for the insight ! UNMC is certainly a great program. At the same time , UB and Einstein also take their own graduates for GI ! UNMC has a better GI program though, with the Liver transplant center.
 
Help me rank:

Montefiore moses
Mount sinai st luke
Danbury
Yale-waterbury
St vincent ct
SUNY Downstate
Um jackson memorial
Mount sinai mia
Creighton university
Einstein healthcare
 
MentalStealth said:
Ok - asking for updated advice - trying to compare Maryland and Tufts. Which is a stronger residency program in preparing one for being either an excellent hospitalist or fellowship of one's choice? Thanks in advance!
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MD>Tufts, in terms of overall clinical training. Not that Tufts won't prepare you for fellowship or general practice. If you are dead set on Boston and want to match at the Harvard programs for fellowship, then Tufts may give you a leg up.

whoopsidaisy said:
Hey guys! I would really appreciate your help with my list:

My priorities:
1) Get great clinical training with good prospects in pulm/CC or cardiology
2) Location: preferably Northeast or decent chance of ending up there for fellowship
3) Research and education
4) Visa (FMG here): will try my best to go on an H1B (to hopefully become eligible for research grants in the long run)

1. Yale: program leadership and residents were amazing and fellowship match was stellar; New Haven is...... okay but it’s between NYC and Boston; ample opportunities and awesome research
2-4. Boston U: really solid clinical training, and great residents, I just dearly love Boston; truly superb match in PCCM (and decent in cardiology); solid but not top research infrastructure
2-4. Vanderbilt: Phenomenal training and research environment, not a single doubt, but I guess I ultimately wanna end up in the Northeast and at the end, fellowship match seems very location-biased (?)
2-4. UPMC: awesome program leadership, and everyone that I met on my IV day was genuinely nice; really large catchment area and 4+4 seems amazing; but Pittsburgh…
5. UTSW: would like to put it even higher on my list, and I surprisingly loved Dallas, but it has J1 visa only
6-7. Tufts: nice residents, like a true family; is in Boston; good cardiology match but not so much in PCCM; seems to have good amount of autonomy(?), but ultimately a very small program in an environment that is oversaturated with hospitals, however research funding and opportunities are definitely there
6-7. Mayo: Hm… mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but great interview day and awesome research opportunities; it’s just SO remote and the prospects of having to live there for potentially 6-7 years seem very real (almost 90% of the residents this year stayed for fellowship, but that also seems like a good sign!)
8. CCF: Even more mixed feelings about the level of autonomy, but nice residents, program leadership is very receptive to feedback; not a huge fan of Cleveland in general but low cost of living and lots of things to do; great opportunities to get involved in research and education
9-10. UMass: fellowship match is stronger than Rush (#9/10?) and good catchment area, solid clinical training, but J1 visa only
9-10. Rush: to be honest not much to say about their clinical training and has a weaker fellowship match, but I like Chicago! and has H1b visa
11. Mount Auburn Cambridge: I guess it’s affiliated w/ Harvard, so I hope to get introduced to some research opportunities
12-13. Pennsylvania Hospital (Pennsy): similar to #11 but belongs to UPenn system; J1 visa only
12-13. Albert Einstein Philly: rigorous clinical training, but not much research going on, surprisingly good fellowship match; J1 only
14. St. Elizabeth’s (Boston): nice residents, and fun new PD seems to have really transformed the program for the better, stronger fellowship match than #15; J1 only
15. Yale Waterbury: affiliated with Yale, honestly poor prospects in terms of fellowships, but it’s a very new program - so maybe there is some potential there? research opportunities are present; J1 only

//Thanks for your input so far! @gutonc or @wiloghby any suggestions?
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Echoing what folks said above, would strongly consider moving Pitt and Vanderbilt up given your career interests. Fellowship matches are location-based only because of internal candidates who want to stay in an area. Applying into pulm/CC, Pitt and Vanderbilt will set you up very nicely across the country. Applying into cardiology, Yale/Vanderbilt/UTSW > Pitt/Mayo > rest.

Clearly, being in Boston mean a lot to you. If so, it's a bit odd Yale is your #1. Sure New Haven is in the Northeast, but it by no means resemble NYC or Boston. If your ultimate goal is to end up in Boston for fellowship and beyond, I would suggest going with the strongest IM program possible.

Staghorn90 said:
Hey everyone! Looking to do cards but am having a tough time with deciding the middle part of my list. So far I have it set up as:

Rush: great fit overall, from the Midwest and would love Chicago. Main concern is that most of the recent cards matches seem to be in-house. Also research seems like a bit of a weak point.

Tulane: also enjoyed the program and thought Dr. Wiese was a strong selling point. Fellowship matches seem solid. A little bit concerned about crime in Nola, plus think the city might be a little smaller than what I’m looking for. Have flip flopped this one with Rush mainly due to location.

IU: seems like a solid program in both fellowship match and training quality.
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IU > Rush/Tulane

ThankUMnD said:
Help me rank:

Montefiore moses
Mount sinai st luke
Danbury
Yale-waterbury
St vincent ct
SUNY Downstate
Um jackson memorial
Mount sinai mia
Creighton university
Einstein healthcare
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Monte >> Miami >>> the rest
 
MyTachyBradyHeart said:
Clearly, being in Boston mean a lot to you. If so, it's a bit odd Yale is your #1. Sure New Haven is in the Northeast, but it by no means resemble NYC or Boston. If your ultimate goal is to end up in Boston for fellowship and beyond, I would suggest going with the strongest IM program possible.
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Agree with most of what you have to say but would disagree with your comment on Yale. Vandy and UPMC are both fantastic programs, but if OP intention is to end up in Boston then Yale as #1 makes perfect sense. In the last five years, Vandy and UPMC have two Boston fellowship placements apiece. Yale has well over a dozen Harvard affiliate placements (I got tired of counting), including six in 2017 and 3 more in 2018. Plus, New Haven is a relatively easy drive to Boston.

Another point on fellowship match lists that has been made before on this forum is that regional bias plays a major role in where people end up for fellowship and the “best” IM programs don’t always equal the “best” fellowship in a given subspecialty. Also, what defines a “good” fellowship is somewhat nebulous and depends on career goals. Go over fellowship match lists with a mentor or two in your field of interest, as well as people who matched from that particular program (re: number of interviews, where on their list people from their program tend to match).
 
So I thought I had my list figured out but now going back and second guessing everything, and would love any opinions whether these warrant last-minute changes. Lower portion of my list is pretty well set so I won't bother posting, but not quite sure if I'm looking at my first 6 reasonably or not. 50/50 right now between fellowship in hem/onc or becoming a hospitalist (preferably working with residents/med students), so definitely looking for someplace that will give really good general experience as well as good fellowship opportunities. Did my undergrad in a place that repetitively makes one of those "coldest places in the US" lists, so I know I can handle the cold, although wouldn't be upset to be someplace a little warmer. Similarly, location is more of a tie-breaker than a primary consideration, and no spouse to consider.

1. UW-Madison (Madison, WI)
2. HCMC (Minneapolis, MN) (The "gut feel" factor was strong here which is why it ended up so high so far, and also got the sense that residents work really hard but leave really well prepared to handle a lot, but would love any comments regarding whether I am screwing myself out of future opportunities with this)
3. U Arizona-Tucson (Tucson, AZ)
4. KUMC (Kansas City, KS)
5. MCW (Milwaukee, WI)
6. Nebraska (Omaha, NE)
3-6 have honestly shuffled around a million times... Tucson and Nebraska were probably the best gut feels of those 4 but ended up bumping Nebraska down due to what seemed like a little bit poorer fellowship match.

Thanks for your help!!
 
Split 50/50 between primary care and hospitalist/fellowship. Some combo of each would be preferable (Academic GIM?). Would like to best set up future regardless of what that may end up being. Don't want to venture too far from central Illinois.

#1,#2- Wash U/Barnes categorical and primary care
#3- Indiana University
#4- Iowa
#5- Cook County/Rush Primary Care
#6- SLU
#7, #8- MCW categorical and Primary Care
#9- UofI Peoria
#10- SIU
#11- Louisville

Struggling mostly with #4-11. How much does academic rep matter without wanting to pursue GI, Heme/one, PCCM etc? Would moving SIU and UofI Peoria up due to location considerably limit future opportunities?
 
Anyone else having a last-minute freakout?
 
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michiganred said:
Hi all! This is my rough ROL as of now, but any input, especially on #3-8 would be much appreciated! I'm currently interested in cardiology and am looking for programs with responsive leadership, camaraderie amongst residents, and appreciation for wellness, amongst good clinical training and research of course. Thanks for any thoughts!
1. MGH
2. Brigham
3. BIDMC
4. Yale
5. Stanford
6. Northwestern
7. Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Vanderbilt
10. BMC
11. OHSU
12. Duke
13. Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Wash U
16. UNC
17. Tufts
18. Mayo Clinic
19. Minnesota
20. Utah
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Um... Dartmouth/Brown over WashU, UNC, Tufts, Mayo, Minnesota, and Utah?
 
MyTachyBradyHeart said:
MD>Tufts, in terms of overall clinical training. Not that Tufts won't prepare you for fellowship or general practice. If you are dead set on Boston and want to match at the Harvard programs for fellowship, then Tufts may give you a leg up.
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Thanks for the info. Are you able to estimate the delta between MD and Tufts? (I assume you interviewed at both programs at some point..). Is the difference in the patient population or volume? Or in actual training/mentorship?
 
Hey guys, Please help me choose between these two:

Mnt sinai - Miami
UPMC Pinnacle - PA

Location isn't very important, I just want a non malignant, not overly intense, good programme. Not sure re fellowship if any.

Thanks
 
Almost done with my ranking.
IMG here, cardiology/advanced heart failure fellowship in my future.
Between Jacobi AlbertEinstein and SaintLuke's Roosevelt Mount Sinai, what should I rank first?
Jacobi has a slightly better matching list for cardiology and I could do electives at Montefiore, which is probably better than Sinai for my main research/career interest (advanced heart failure). Any thoughts or feedback is welcome
 
Hello. MS4 at USMD school. I'm having a big internal debate between Metrohealth in Cleveland and WVU (West Virginia University). Really liked both programs. Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
Hi guys, I’d be super grateful for any input on my 3-10. Interested in GI, flexible with location. I think I’d be happy at pretty much any of these, but I’m trying to decide in terms of reputation/GI opportunities if there’s anything grossly out of place here. Made a new account for an attempt at privacy 🙂

Cleveland Clinic
Minnesota
Dartmouth
Mayo FL
Miami
Montefiore
Rush
Loyola
 
allmimsy said:
Hi guys, I’d be super grateful for any input on my 3-10. Interested in GI, flexible with location. I think I’d be happy at pretty much any of these, but I’m trying to decide in terms of reputation/GI opportunities if there’s anything grossly out of place here. Made a new account for an attempt at privacy 🙂

Cleveland Clinic
Minnesota
Dartmouth
Mayo FL
Miami
Montefiore
Rush
Loyola
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Would move mayo fl all the way down. Move monte up Cleveland clinic down a bit. As far as reputation you have things not arranged in what I would say would be the correct order.
 
Also not to talk trash about a program I have no idea how good the clinical training is but if you’re interested in GI the mayo FL campus has matches residents to nearly exclusively mayo satellite campuses and occasional lower mid tier academic programs like UMKC, UK, Tulane and one to UTSW in the last several years. Definitely wouldn’t consider this to be a good GI match and think your research opportunities and therefore match potential would be greater and nearly all the other academic programs on your list. Ignore the mayo name, not one real mayo gi match and only 3 total real mayo matches in 7 years for ALL specialties. Just some food for thought
 
Herbspalsy said:
Goal is a decent University program with potential for GI fellowship match after

Stony Brook
UConn
GW
Drexel
Rutgers NJMS
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
NYMC Westchester
Lenox Hill - Northwell
Winthrop
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Sorry to repeat my post- was thinking of ranking in this order

Rutgers NJMS
GW
UConn
Stony Brook

Any thoughts?
 
Dr.KitKat said:
Hey guys, Please help me choose between these two:

Mnt sinai - Miami
UPMC Pinnacle - PA

Location isn't very important, I just want a non malignant, not overly intense, good programme. Not sure re fellowship if any.

Thanks
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Any help please
 
allmimsy said:
Hi guys, I’d be super grateful for any input on my 3-10. Interested in GI, flexible with location. I think I’d be happy at pretty much any of these, but I’m trying to decide in terms of reputation/GI opportunities if there’s anything grossly out of place here. Made a new account for an attempt at privacy 🙂

Cleveland Clinic
Minnesota
Dartmouth
Mayo FL
Miami
Montefiore
Rush
Loyola
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I know you say you’re flexible with location, but still important.
1. Minnesota
2. Cleveland Clinic
3. Montefiore
3. Miami
3. Rush
3. Dartmouth
4. Loyola
5. Mayo-FL
 
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lightupthesky9 said:
So I thought I had my list figured out but now going back and second guessing everything, and would love any opinions whether these warrant last-minute changes. Lower portion of my list is pretty well set so I won't bother posting, but not quite sure if I'm looking at my first 6 reasonably or not. 50/50 right now between fellowship in hem/onc or becoming a hospitalist (preferably working with residents/med students), so definitely looking for someplace that will give really good general experience as well as good fellowship opportunities. Did my undergrad in a place that repetitively makes one of those "coldest places in the US" lists, so I know I can handle the cold, although wouldn't be upset to be someplace a little warmer. Similarly, location is more of a tie-breaker than a primary consideration, and no spouse to consider.

1. UW-Madison (Madison, WI)
2. HCMC (Minneapolis, MN) (The "gut feel" factor was strong here which is why it ended up so high so far, and also got the sense that residents work really hard but leave really well prepared to handle a lot, but would love any comments regarding whether I am screwing myself out of future opportunities with this)
3. U Arizona-Tucson (Tucson, AZ)
4. KUMC (Kansas City, KS)
5. MCW (Milwaukee, WI)
6. Nebraska (Omaha, NE)
3-6 have honestly shuffled around a million times... Tucson and Nebraska were probably the best gut feels of those 4 but ended up bumping Nebraska down due to what seemed like a little bit poorer fellowship match.

Thanks for your help!!
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K so Arizona fell down the list a ways, so now the 4 I really need help with are Kansas vs. MCW vs. Hennepin vs. Nebraska... In some ways I felt like Kansas and MCW were a little more hands-off/less autonomy vs Hennepin where residents do a ton. I know none of these are really exceptional university-based programs, but I also have it in my head that I still may have more fellowship options down the line with a university name...

So I guess the biggest question I actually have is opinions on a county/community program like HCMC with really good hands-on experience vs the reputation of mid-low tier academic programs with a possibility of fellowship down the line.

Thanks!
 
Was Henry Ford’s UCLA GI match at main UCLA or Harbor/OV?

lightupthesky9 said:
K so Arizona fell down the list a ways, so now the 4 I really need help with are Kansas vs. MCW vs. Hennepin vs. Nebraska... In some ways I felt like Kansas and MCW were a little more hands-off/less autonomy vs Hennepin where residents do a ton. I know none of these are really exceptional university-based programs, but I also have it in my head that I still may have more fellowship options down the line with a university name...

So I guess the biggest question I actually have is opinions on a county/community program like HCMC with really good hands-on experience vs the reputation of mid-low tier academic programs with a possibility of fellowship down the line.

Thanks!
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MCW
Hennepin
UNMC
Kansas

Heard some good things about Hennepin and if hands-on is most important, put them second otherwise normally I’d say UNMC above Hennepin.
 
lightupthesky9 said:
K so Arizona fell down the list a ways, so now the 4 I really need help with are Kansas vs. MCW vs. Hennepin vs. Nebraska... In some ways I felt like Kansas and MCW were a little more hands-off/less autonomy vs Hennepin where residents do a ton. I know none of these are really exceptional university-based programs, but I also have it in my head that I still may have more fellowship options down the line with a university name...

So I guess the biggest question I actually have is opinions on a county/community program like HCMC with really good hands-on experience vs the reputation of mid-low tier academic programs with a possibility of fellowship down the line.

Thanks!
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Have similar questions regarding value of programs like MCW,SLU, Louisville vs community/semi-academic programs like UofI Peoria or SIU....particularly with unsure fellowship plans.
 
biggie3201 said:
Have similar questions regarding value of programs like MCW,SLU, Louisville vs community/semi-academic programs like UofI Peoria or SIU....particularly with unsure fellowship plans.
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MCW-Milwaukee as a city is underrated. Also close proximity to Chicago, decent matches for a mid tier, and just seemed like a good culture.
Louisville
SLU
Rest
 
Having a REALLY hard time with these 3 programs:

Brown
GW
Tufts

I'm interested in GI and I'm thinking of ranking Tufts lower than all 3 because they don't seem to really match into GI at all (none this past year), but I keep hearing that it's a "better name" than GW or Brown. Any thoughts?
 
LuciusVorenus said:
Having a REALLY hard time with these 3 programs:

Brown
GW
Tufts

I'm interested in GI and I'm thinking of ranking Tufts lower than all 3 because they don't seem to really match into GI at all (none this past year), but I keep hearing that it's a "better name" than GW or Brown. Any thoughts?
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Fellowship match trends will vary at a program from year to year based on the specific interests of the residents in a particular class. I would rank Tufts at the top for sure.
 
ScarMarkMission said:
Fellowship match trends will vary at a program from year to year based on the specific interests of the residents in a particular class. I would rank Tufts at the top for sure.
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I thought maybe this was it as well but I noticed in the top 4 years they've only had 3 people total match into GI and they weren't particularly great programs...
 
Last minutes jitters: I am applying into IM and interested in doing Heme/Onc after residency. I am going back and forth on 2nd and 3rd choice on my ROL. Currently I have USC as #2 and Jefferson #3, but now thinking about flipping this order.

Jeff: Pros:I really liked my interview day experience; residents were very friendly; loved the city; my S/O lives 3 blocks from the hospital; 25 golden weekends a year; COL for Philly is very reasonable (at least compared to LA).Cons: Cancer center is not as well regarded, fellowship placement heme/onc is average

USC: Pro: NCI designated comprehensive cancer center; very diverse patient population; significant autonomy as a resident; Also liked LA and S/O has family in LA. Cons: Significantly higher COL, average fellowship placement
 
CancerKiller007 said:
Last minutes jitters: I am applying into IM and interested in doing Heme/Onc after residency. I am going back and forth on 2nd and 3rd choice on my ROL. Currently I have USC as #2 and Jefferson #3, but now thinking about flipping this order.

Jeff: Pros:I really liked my interview day experience; residents were very friendly; loved the city; my S/O lives 3 blocks from the hospital; 25 golden weekends a year; COL for Philly is very reasonable (at least compared to LA).Cons: Cancer center is not as well regarded, fellowship placement heme/onc is average

USC: Pro: NCI designated comprehensive cancer center; very diverse patient population; significant autonomy as a resident; Also liked LA and S/O has family in LA. Cons: Significantly higher COL, average fellowship placement
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Nci status doesn’t matter for fellowship and it DEFINITELY doesn’t matter for residency. Jefferson and USC are similar tier and it seems like you got a better feel at Jefferson so would rank it higher.
 
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Need some help with my top 6 again guys. Will ranking USF as #2 hurt my chances of cardiology fellowship? Reason why I ask is because their cardiology matches don't seem to be impressive compared to the other places on my list. Their cards program takes up to 2 people a year internally.
Currently it's #2 because the SO has a much better chance of matching into Florida (she's a 3rd year student). Appreciate the help

1. UF
2. USF
3. Scripps Clinic
4. UT Houston
5. Houston methodist
6. Cleveland clinic
 
Longtime lurker, rank list deliberation getting me to finally post. The first 3 on my ROL are pretty set, but going back and forth between #4-8. Pretty set on doing heme-onc fellowship, been struggling with these for a while. Recognize this is pretty late in the game but, here's where they fall right now:

4. UChicago - loved the program, residents, good fellowship match, but one-hospital system. PD seems hands-off which may not be great
5. Vanderbilt - Loved the PD and residents, research opportunities galore. Really could jump UChicago.
6. Michigan - Hard-working but happy residents. PD seems very supportive, but not as impressed with Ann Arbor and fellowship match as other programs
7. WashU - strong overall rep, supportive PD, good research opportunities. Cons - St. Louis, didn't mesh great with residents
8. Northwestern - Great PD, research opportunities and Chicago program with more than one hospital, but didn't gel well with residents on interview day/dinner.


Any input appreciated.
 
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