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Are you sure? Its all DOs and IMGs
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Also what are some solid academic programs in TX other than UTSW and BCM houston? there are so many TX Techs and UTs that I don't know which ones are the better programs
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Yes Shreveport and New Orleans, I mean just because it’s all IMG’s and few USMD’s and DO’s doesn’t mean it’s not a true academic center. But by far the best IM residency in Louisiana is Tulane, a solid upper mid tier residency that is USMD and DO’s only..
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Lol bruh do you have ties to Texas? Will be very hard to match in TX without ties coming from the north east and no away rotation
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I do have ties lol I have a lot of family there. My entire moms side of the family is from there and lives there. I plan on applying to BCM and UTSW as reaches (UTSW=donation haha) but was considering Dell, UTMB and some others
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Yes i am applying to Tulane lol I guess youre right I am just surprised at how there are literally only like 2 USMDs
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Yea that program is mostly FMG’s from what I remember. But LSU nola and Baton Rouge are solid. We have alumni there from my school and they had good stuff to say about them. They aren’t as name brand or as clout though haha. In Texas I am not sure about the rankings of say UT Houston vs Houston Methodist or UTMB or dell or Ut San Antonio they are all kind of simmilar.
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Someone please critique my list. I am so lost as to gauging whether it's complete enough. I will be applying to both categorical + primary care track for all programs on my list that offer one.
Stats: DO student, 250-255 Step 1, 255-260 Step 2, high COMLEX.
Currently have 2 LORs I think would be strong, 1 generic chair letter, 1 other letter. Hoping to get one from my sub-I as well.
M3 grades: H in all but one core (including both medicine months), can't honor electives so P in those
Didn't do anything super exhilarating in med school, but have the standard stuff. No research (have a couple of things from undergrad).
Goal: South Florida program, really excited about signaling because in my position my stats are above any program that I am targeting (with the exception of being a DO, which makes gauging competitiveness kind of hard)
Programs:
-AdventHealth Orlando
-Baylor COM (Houston)
-Baylor Scott/White
-Baylor University (Dallas)
-Broward Health North
-Broward Health
-Cleveland Clinic FL
-Duke
-Emory
-FAU
-FSU Sarasota
-FSU Main
-HCA/Mercer
-USF/Blake
-USF/Brandon
-USF/Largo
-USF/Northside
-Aventura Hospital
-Kendall Regional
-HCA/Westside
-Manatee Memorial
-Mayo Jax
-Memorial Healthcare
-Mount Sinai Miami Beach
-NCH Healthcare
-Orlando Health
-Palmetto General
-SLU
-St. Luke's
-UCF in Gainesville
-UCF Orlando
-UF Jax
-UF main
-KU Wichita
-KU main
-U of Miami/Holy Cross
-U of Miami/JFK
-U of Miami main
-Mizzou
-UMKC
-UNC
-USF
-University of Tennessee
-UT San Antonio
-UTHSC Houston
-UT Austin Dell
-Vanderbilt
-Wash U
Stats: DO student, 250-255 Step 1, 255-260 Step 2, high COMLEX.
Currently have 2 LORs I think would be strong, 1 generic chair letter, 1 other letter. Hoping to get one from my sub-I as well.
M3 grades: H in all but one core (including both medicine months), can't honor electives so P in those
Didn't do anything super exhilarating in med school, but have the standard stuff. No research (have a couple of things from undergrad).
Goal: South Florida program, really excited about signaling because in my position my stats are above any program that I am targeting (with the exception of being a DO, which makes gauging competitiveness kind of hard)
Programs:
-AdventHealth Orlando
-Baylor COM (Houston)
-Baylor Scott/White
-Baylor University (Dallas)
-Broward Health North
-Broward Health
-Cleveland Clinic FL
-Duke
-Emory
-FAU
-FSU Sarasota
-FSU Main
-HCA/Mercer
-USF/Blake
-USF/Brandon
-USF/Largo
-USF/Northside
-Aventura Hospital
-Kendall Regional
-HCA/Westside
-Manatee Memorial
-Mayo Jax
-Memorial Healthcare
-Mount Sinai Miami Beach
-NCH Healthcare
-Orlando Health
-Palmetto General
-SLU
-St. Luke's
-UCF in Gainesville
-UCF Orlando
-UF Jax
-UF main
-KU Wichita
-KU main
-U of Miami/Holy Cross
-U of Miami/JFK
-U of Miami main
-Mizzou
-UMKC
-UNC
-USF
-University of Tennessee
-UT San Antonio
-UTHSC Houston
-UT Austin Dell
-Vanderbilt
-Wash U
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Don't go to LSU Shreveport! Students from my school rotate there, and most them say they wouldn't go back there. Plus I've heard some pretty concerning news coming from there recently. Knowing you @Deecee2DO, I'd say you can land something way better than that.
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Thanks for the heads up! I am going to apply to LSU Baton rouge and thats probably it for LSU campuses. I was going to apply as a safety
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Can't really weigh in as its only me the MS4 lmao but just wanted to say we are applying to at least 15 of the same programs. Imagine if we ended up at same program LOL
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See you on the interview trail maybe 😉
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General question about programs with in house fellowships. Is it considered a good or bad thing if a residency program's fellowship match list is almost all to the applicants home program? An example would be UF Jax where almost everyone who was applying to fellowship(presumably) matched at their home program.
I just want to say we have an eerily similar app and are applying to a lot of the same programs, so I can’t wait to see someone critique your list!
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Anybody have any feedback? I am fighting the urge to add more programs on the daily.
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lol imo for what its worth no way you need to add more. You have more than enough community programs youre overqualified for but thats just me. Theres been a lot of silence on this thread im surprised since its getting closer to submission time
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Actually this is one of the things that makes me nervous like maybe I need to add more "target" programs.
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We have way too much overlap of programs; you're a stellar applicant!
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Duke, UNC, Emory and Vandy aren't happening. Feel free to apply anyway and I'm happy to be proven wrong if that's the case.
The rest are solidly in your wheelhouse. You'll get rejections from some and interview offers from plenty.
Not sure you need to add any more programs but I can think of 5-10 off the top of my head that you could add if you care.
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Just looking geographically at what you've already put down:
Iowa
UIC
Rush
Bayview
Carolinas
Whichever other LSU program you're not already applying to (NO vs BR)
Dartmouth-Hitchcock
Brown
Baystate
Med school: Newer DO
Quartile: 4th
Step 1: 217
Step 2: not taking; Level 1/2 >500 (~40th percentile)
Clinical grades: still not released unfortunately
LORs: should have 1-2 IM, psych, hopefully FM - should be at least 2 strong and 1 average
Research: none
Extracurriculars: none
Red flags: none
I am planning to apply to both FM and IM but I don't really have a list yet. I would like to stay in Texas but understand if I can't; no desire for an academic program. My primary need is low cost of living since I have quite a big family and why I would prefer to stay in Texas. My goal is to apply to 30 programs with a focus on programs where I'm around 50th percentile on Residency Explorer and have a history of taking DOs. Will I need to expand my amount of applications significantly?
Quartile: 4th
Step 1: 217
Step 2: not taking; Level 1/2 >500 (~40th percentile)
Clinical grades: still not released unfortunately
LORs: should have 1-2 IM, psych, hopefully FM - should be at least 2 strong and 1 average
Research: none
Extracurriculars: none
Red flags: none
I am planning to apply to both FM and IM but I don't really have a list yet. I would like to stay in Texas but understand if I can't; no desire for an academic program. My primary need is low cost of living since I have quite a big family and why I would prefer to stay in Texas. My goal is to apply to 30 programs with a focus on programs where I'm around 50th percentile on Residency Explorer and have a history of taking DOs. Will I need to expand my amount of applications significantly?
You are a US student, so stick to one specialty because as of now you don't have any red flags. You should be ok to match low tier university or community IM program. I would apply ~50 if I were in your spot. Dont try to save 1k after spending 250k+ for your medical degree. You just dont want to go thru the SOAP.
The 50-60k/year stipend you will get can go far if you are not in a big metro, the NE, California or DC area.
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My med school has said no...I am right there with you in the 4th quartile, although board scores tell a different story.
What do you mean by a different story?
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Did well on boards, much better than a 4th quartile would indicate. Also have excellent clinical evals and letters.
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School: T10 MD
Step 1: 24x
Step 2: 26x
Clinical: All honors
LORs: 4 letters
Research: 6 pubs, 7 posters
ECs: a couple leadership positions, light volunteering
My school recommends applying to 15 programs, but I'm not sure if I have enough target/safety programs. Also not sure which of the programs on my list actually are targets? Would appreciate any advice about possible safety programs to add to my list! Don’t have a strong geographical preference. Thanks!
Current List:
MGH
Brigham
BIDMC
UCSF
Duke
Hopkins
Columbia
NYU
Cornell
Mt Sinai
U Pennsylvania
U Washington
Yale
UPMC
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
U Chicago
Emory
UNC
BU
Step 1: 24x
Step 2: 26x
Clinical: All honors
LORs: 4 letters
Research: 6 pubs, 7 posters
ECs: a couple leadership positions, light volunteering
My school recommends applying to 15 programs, but I'm not sure if I have enough target/safety programs. Also not sure which of the programs on my list actually are targets? Would appreciate any advice about possible safety programs to add to my list! Don’t have a strong geographical preference. Thanks!
Current List:
MGH
Brigham
BIDMC
UCSF
Duke
Hopkins
Columbia
NYU
Cornell
Mt Sinai
U Pennsylvania
U Washington
Yale
UPMC
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
U Chicago
Emory
UNC
BU
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You basically only have 1 target/safety program on your list.
Will you be okay? Probably. Would it kill you to add 5-10 mid-tier programs in a geographic region you prefer? Definitely not.
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If I had anything useful to add, I would have done so already.
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Thanks for your advice! What might be some mid tier programs that you would recommend adding if I prefer to be on the East Coast?
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Rutgers-RWJ
Dartmouth
Jeff
Northwell (or whatever the old Northshore program is called now)
Maryland
Hopkins-Bayview
UVa
UMass
That'll get you started
Consider low tier university and good community programs. Unlikely to match into midltier such as U of FL, UMiami, UNC, U of south FL, Wake Forest etc...
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Hi all! Appreciate any feedback on list for any last minute add-ons:
Low-tier school in the South East
Step 1: Mid 230s
Step 2: Pending; predicted 245-255
Quartile: 2nd
AOA: No, but GHHS
Clerkships: (H/P/F system) Honor FM; P everything else (Bummer on IM and Sub-I due to technicality, but glowing clinical evals)
LOR: 1 generic chair, 1 strong PD, 2 clerkship faculty in IM (I think would be strong)
Research: 2 pubs, 1 first author, 4 posters
Volunteering/EXC: strong leadership and volunteer involvement with some unique ECs
Goal: Fellowship match in GI or Heme/Onc - so academic IM
No geographic preference
List:
North:
Dartmouth
Brown
BU
Tufts
Hopkins-Bayview
Georgetown
GW
Rochester
Einstein
Monte
Cornell
UPMC
Jefferson
Temple
NYU
South:
UNC
Wake
UAB
UVA
Tulane
USF
UF
Miami/Jackson
Emory
Vandy
Midwest:
Northwestern
UIC
Loyola
Rush
Case Western
CCF
Southwest:
Baylor
UTSW
UT Austin
UT Houston
West:
Colorado
USC
Utah
Kaiser (LA)
OHSU
UCSD
UC Irvine
UC Davis
OHSU
I know there are a fair share of donations I'm handing to ERAS in there, but figured I might as well shoot my shot because I'm already in debt and a couple hundred dollars isn't going to make a difference at this point! Hopefully I have enough schools within reach for 12-15 interviews.
Low-tier school in the South East
Step 1: Mid 230s
Step 2: Pending; predicted 245-255
Quartile: 2nd
AOA: No, but GHHS
Clerkships: (H/P/F system) Honor FM; P everything else (Bummer on IM and Sub-I due to technicality, but glowing clinical evals)
LOR: 1 generic chair, 1 strong PD, 2 clerkship faculty in IM (I think would be strong)
Research: 2 pubs, 1 first author, 4 posters
Volunteering/EXC: strong leadership and volunteer involvement with some unique ECs
Goal: Fellowship match in GI or Heme/Onc - so academic IM
No geographic preference
List:
North:
Dartmouth
Brown
BU
Tufts
Hopkins-Bayview
Georgetown
GW
Rochester
Einstein
Monte
Cornell
UPMC
Jefferson
Temple
NYU
South:
UNC
Wake
UAB
UVA
Tulane
USF
UF
Miami/Jackson
Emory
Vandy
Midwest:
Northwestern
UIC
Loyola
Rush
Case Western
CCF
Southwest:
Baylor
UTSW
UT Austin
UT Houston
West:
Colorado
USC
Utah
Kaiser (LA)
OHSU
UCSD
UC Irvine
UC Davis
OHSU
I know there are a fair share of donations I'm handing to ERAS in there, but figured I might as well shoot my shot because I'm already in debt and a couple hundred dollars isn't going to make a difference at this point! Hopefully I have enough schools within reach for 12-15 interviews.
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Not familiar with Rutgers, but I would consider the other ones low tier. You can add U of South Carolina, FAU, Central FL, FSU, Morehouse, MCG etc... U Miami has two good affiliated programs (holy cross and JFK), so you might consider those as well.
Nervous US-MD student here. WAMC?
MD student
5 year student - Failed first semester of M1 year, academic LOA for the rest of the academic year, repeated/restarted M1 at the start of the next academic year, no fails since
Step 1: 195 =/
Step 2: 233
Clerkship grades a mix of Pass and High Passes
Two research projects, one was the Medical Student Summer Research program which I presented at my schools research fair, 2nd project was an offshoot of the first project
Some volunteer experiences
Will I need to apply to 200+ programs? Super worried about not matching.
MD student
5 year student - Failed first semester of M1 year, academic LOA for the rest of the academic year, repeated/restarted M1 at the start of the next academic year, no fails since
Step 1: 195 =/
Step 2: 233
Clerkship grades a mix of Pass and High Passes
Two research projects, one was the Medical Student Summer Research program which I presented at my schools research fair, 2nd project was an offshoot of the first project
Some volunteer experiences
Will I need to apply to 200+ programs? Super worried about not matching.
Your list seem too top heavy..
I believe it was Case that requires at least a HP on your IM core clerkship grade.
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Still looking for feedback on my list; I feel like it's reach-heavy but as long as everyone thinks I have enough target/safety programs to match I'm going to leave it.
Only update to my app is that my MSPE is complete. It focuses pretty heavily on my COVID work, but talks about my success in IM clerkship etc as well. So probably a wash?
The highlighted ones should be removed from your list unless you want to make a donation to these programs.
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2 points here:
1. Several more that are probably "donations".
2. The donation is to NRMP/ERAS. Programs get exactly $0 from your application.
I wanted to be nice. I could have highlighted another 6-8 programs. Not sure why people can gauge their competitiveness... It's ok to have 3-4 dream programs in your list, but to have 10+ makes think you are not taking that process seriously.
It's amazing people think they can match at top programs with <230 step1 score!
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Your list is pretty all over the place. I will try and give advice where I can. With no research, I would say you are essentially donating money to Vandy, WashU, Duke, and Emory. Not saying you won't get an interview as your scores are very high, but your chance of being ranked to match is truly low because of the strength of the MD applicant pool (scores just as high as yours with research, letters from very high level/well known faculty) applying to these programs. UNC has not a single DO in their program so it will also be the same as the programs above.
Baylor dallas, SLU, KU, UMKC, UT-Dell, UT-San Antonio, UF, CCF-Fl, Mizzou, Orlando,
I have not heard great things about broward.
I am biased perhaps, but stay away from HCA, they will try to sell you hard on the amenities but at the end of the day, you'll understand and feel priority of the system.
Hello everyone. I am a US MD student, step 1 219, step 2 240, have only passed all clerkships with the exceptions of surgery and psych (HS and H respectively), no red flags in terms of failed classes/clerkships etc. I have some research (2+ years data analysis/writing) and one paper submitted for publication, but no official publications, no other ECs whatsoever. Lowest quintile for preclinical grades. My LORs will likely not be anything to write home about, I have a 1 letter from my IM attending, another two from a psych and FM attending, and the department chair letter. I could get another LOR from an ICU attending but that will be in October at the earliest. I had decent comments on my MSPE for all my rotations including IM, but doubt they matter much due to me not honoring most of my rotations.
My goal is to match and I have absolutely zero geographic preference or prestige preference; it would be nice to be able to match into an academic program as I am somewhat interested in pursuing PCCM or CC for fellowship. Don't care if i match into the lowest tier program in an "undesirable location" as long as I match at the end of the day. I would very much appreciate some recommendations for programs to apply to considering my low step scores, with my main goal being to match. So far, I have applied to my home program, and -
Eastern coast programs
Albany,
downstate
upstate,
Rochester,
stonybrook
Midwest programs
University of Indiana,
University of Tennesse,
Beaumont,
Rutgers JWH,
North dakota university,
minneosota university,
temple university
Wake forest
western reserve in OH
West Virginia University School of Medicine/Camden-Clark Program
southern programs (unsure where else to apply for the south, have heard TX was competitive for non-texans so am avoiding it for now)
St louis (LSU baton rogue)
white river in arkansas
Emory (heard this was super competitive, will likely drop)
western -
MedStar Health/Georgetown University Hospital Program,
several university of california programs (am reconsidering this idea as I've heard cali is very competitive)
George Washington (heard this was competitive so will likely drop this soon)
My goal is to match and I have absolutely zero geographic preference or prestige preference; it would be nice to be able to match into an academic program as I am somewhat interested in pursuing PCCM or CC for fellowship. Don't care if i match into the lowest tier program in an "undesirable location" as long as I match at the end of the day. I would very much appreciate some recommendations for programs to apply to considering my low step scores, with my main goal being to match. So far, I have applied to my home program, and -
Eastern coast programs
Albany,
downstate
upstate,
Rochester,
stonybrook
Midwest programs
University of Indiana,
University of Tennesse,
Beaumont,
Rutgers JWH,
North dakota university,
minneosota university,
temple university
Wake forest
western reserve in OH
West Virginia University School of Medicine/Camden-Clark Program
southern programs (unsure where else to apply for the south, have heard TX was competitive for non-texans so am avoiding it for now)
St louis (LSU baton rogue)
white river in arkansas
Emory (heard this was super competitive, will likely drop)
western -
MedStar Health/Georgetown University Hospital Program,
several university of california programs (am reconsidering this idea as I've heard cali is very competitive)
George Washington (heard this was competitive so will likely drop this soon)
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Drop Emory and U of Wash. It's good you are reconsidering U of California programs.
There are plenty programs in the south (LA, SC, MS, FL etc...) you would be competitive for.
I am going to say that here. I see that Emory and Duke are very popular here, especially among people with low stats. If your step1 is < 240 and you dont have significant research background, dont bother applying to these schools. If you are from a top 20 and you research background is solid, you might have a shot with lower step1 score (230+)
Thank you for the advice! I was considering adding some Florida programs and some more of the Carolinas. Are there any specific ones that come to mind?
UF-Jacksonville, U of Miami/JFK medical center (it's not a bad HCA program), FSU (Sarasota and Tallahassee), U of SC, Medical College of GA
For people who want to do fellowship, and are not gun-ho about research, they can add U of AZ (Tucson). Very good program that "favors" their own for in-house fellowships.
Is it difficult to get into a PCCM or CC fellowship coming from a non-academic program? My understanding was that it would be good to apply to a program with an in house PCCM fellowship. Any other program recommendations in other regions (Midwest, west/east coast) are very appreciated!
Pick low tier University programs in the south and midwest and work hard during residency. That is the recipe.
Is there a resource people typically use to find the low tier programs? I've mostly been using Residency explorer, but I am not sure if I should be trusting all the info on there regarding step scores, etc.
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