Official Holiday WW Game Thread

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[StartingoverVet]

You daft? You miss the entire thread's worth of exchange between DVMD and I?

Honestly I don't pay any attention to the spats between you and DVMD. It just distracts me. And I am sure I am not the only one who does that.

You daft? You miss the entire thread's worth of exchange between DVMD and I?

"Hey. There's going to be finger-pointing everywhere; you need to realize that the evidence substantiates my story more than whatever story our wolf/wolves are going to spin."

I reiterate... You are pointing out an obvious point, that what you said was true. Everyone realizes that.

Your conclusion is self-serving and untrue, in that it in no way makes you any more likely a villager or less likely a wolf.

AFTER you gave JDH the power he was attacked. Who knew he had that power. Only you and JDH. That doesn't make you innocent.

Like I said, I thought you were a villager before, but you started defending yourself before anyone attacked you. And your early vote for me.. is just 🙁

 

[nohika]

I had Santa's List last night. I've since lost it. The results told me every time I went to SOV's name I got distracted because someone was putting on a private magic show for me.

So...who blocked me? 🙂 Or can SOV avoid investigation by distraction?

This is the comment DVM was talking about. 🙂 Sooooo...what's up, folks? Anyone wanna come clean?

 

[orcagirl]

This is the comment DVM was talking about. 🙂 Sooooo...what's up, folks? Anyone wanna come clean?

I was dead, so it wasn't me distracting you.

 

[DVMDream]

One odd thing about SOV's play.....

At the beginning of the game he was very much suggesting that we lynch the quiet players..... and put in a lynch vote for FH a few times.

Towards the middle/end of the game he suddenly feels that lynching FH is a waste, but he is usually very much up for lynching the quiet players.

It does strike me as odd... not sure if wolfish...

Who cleared FH to start with? The first post I found about her being cleared was mid-game by SOV.

 

[StartingoverVet]

This is the comment DVM was talking about. 🙂 Sooooo...what's up, folks? Anyone wanna come clean?

The private magic show thing sounds like a magician.... that would be FTB's role, no?

It certainly isn't me. I don't have a role.

 

[StartingoverVet]

One odd thing about SOV's play.....

At the beginning of the game he was very much suggesting that we lynch the quiet players..... and put in a lynch vote for FH a few times.

Towards the middle/end of the game he suddenly feels that lynching FH is a waste, but he is usually very much up for lynching the quiet players.

It does strike me as odd... not sure if wolfish...

Who cleared FH to start with? The first post I found about her being cleared was mid-game by SOV.

Devyn cleared her.

My plan was to force the wolves to be more active and not let them slip under the radar. Didn't make sense to lynch a known villager at the time.

 

[LetItSnow]

Honestly I don't pay any attention to the spats between you and DVMD. It just distracts me. And I am sure I am not the only one who does that.

Nice pointless shot. I didn't say anything about you reading every word of it; I simply asked if you missed it. You couldn't skip over it without noting it. So your bit about nobody accusing me ... that's inaccurate.

AFTER you gave JDH the power he was attacked. Who knew he had that power. Only you and JDH. That doesn't make you innocent.

Like I said, I thought you were a villager before, but you started defending yourself before anyone attacked you. And your early vote for me.. is just 🙁

What's the point? I didn't say it was conclusive. I just pointed out that it supports my claim. Some support is still better than no support, even if it's not conclusive support.

.... and you continue to stir the pot without actually contributing anything.

 

[LetItSnow]

This is the comment DVM was talking about. 🙂 Sooooo...what's up, folks? Anyone wanna come clean?

I didn't do any distracting.

 

[DVMDream]

I am thoroughly confused... too many possibilities... I am going to wait to see what happens tonight.

 

[DVMDream]

LIS, I have one question for you:

(No offense or ocra) But, why did you choose orcagirl? Why not Packen? It was obvious that Packen died with Santa's list??? Maybe she had found something out...so why didn't you bring her back?

 

[orcagirl]

Devyn cleared her.

My plan was to force the wolves to be more active and not let them slip under the radar. Didn't make sense to lynch a known villager at the time.

Way back when. Conversions are always possible and we don't know how many we're down to. She's been on SDN quite frequently though she's been hardly posting in the thread. It just doesn't make sense. Regardless of whether or not she's a wolf, she's not helping anyone. And it seems like we don't have an idea of who any of the wolves are. I serious can't believe she's been kept alive this long.

 

[nohika]

LIS, I have one question for you:

(No offense or ocra) But, why did you choose orcagirl? Why not Packen? It was obvious that Packen died with Santa's list??? Maybe she had found something out...so why didn't you bring her back?

I had the list last night...I lost it after using it on SOV. So it's still out there.

 

[LetItSnow]

LIS, I have one question for you:

(No offense or ocra) But, why did you choose orcagirl? Why not Packen? It was obvious that Packen died with Santa's list??? Maybe she had found something out...so why didn't you bring her back?

It was a mistake (also no offense to orca).

I forgot that Packen died with the list and may have useful info. I picked Orca because Orca had a role, and even though I don't know what the role ability/abilities is/are, I thought there was a chance Orca would be useful. No point bringing back FFM because I knew the role had been transferred to JDH.

On the positive side, we have either a 66% or 80% chance that the Hat is in the hands of villagers. If so, it should be used to bring back Packen.

 

[orcagirl]

LIS, I have one question for you:

(No offense or ocra) But, why did you choose orcagirl? Why not Packen? It was obvious that Packen died with Santa's list??? Maybe she had found something out...so why didn't you bring her back?

Good question.

Anyone else noticed that SOV seems to be ignoring the fact that I keep mentioning conversions. I said it in response to one of his comments at the end of the last page. It just makes me wonder.

 

[DVMDream]

It was a mistake (also no offense to orca).

I forgot that Packen died with the list and may have useful info. I picked Orca because Orca had a role, and even though I don't know what the role ability/abilities is/are, I thought there was a chance Orca would be useful. No point bringing back FFM because I knew the role had been transferred to JDH.

On the positive side, we have either a 66% or 80% chance that the Hat is in the hands of villagers. If so, it should be used to bring back Packen.

I now understand why you did not reveal who you transferred FFM's role to, but it sure would have saved me a lot of time last night and I would have really rethought some things... that was the one missing link that I could not make sense of in my head.

 

[StartingoverVet]

.... and you continue to stir the pot without actually contributing anything.

Talk about the kettle and the pot....

We can say that about anybody in the last, what, 8 nights or whatever because we haven't found the freakin wolves in a long time.

I kind of take offense to that b/c i did
* point out that an investigation of devyn was blocked by rudolph which was similar to what happened to JDH. Information which was a part of the puzzle.

* investigated devyn 2 times.

* Pointed out that investigations were every other day.

* that Professor Hinkle was an investigation.

* I also listed every player over the weekend and laid out my suspicions or lack there of.

I am certainly contributing.. hasn't gotten us a wolf recently...

I don't understand why you keep on attacking me like I am just saying stuff to cause trouble. Let everyone judge for themselves if that statement is true or not!

 

[LetItSnow]

I now understand why you did not reveal who you transferred FFM's role to, but it sure would have saved me a lot of time last night and I would have really rethought some things... that was the one missing link that I could not make sense of in my head.

*shrug* Might not have been the smartest choice to stay quiet about it, but ... you go with what you think is best at the time. I'm not sure I would have done it differently just because it'd help your thinking out, but ... I'm open to the criticism, at least.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Should read

*that professor hinkle was a magician.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Good question.

Anyone else noticed that SOV seems to be ignoring the fact that I keep mentioning conversions. I said it in response to one of his comments at the end of the last page. It just makes me wonder.

Nothing to respond to. Everyone is suspect at this point.

I was talking about why I wasn't killed in the beginning of the game, your response was kind of a non-sequitor in my mind so I ignored it.

Jeez. 🙄

 

[LetItSnow]

I don't understand why you keep on attacking me like I am just saying stuff to cause trouble. Let everyone judge for themselves if that statement is true or not!

You mean like the way you're attacking me like I am just saying stuff to defend myself unnecessarily.....?

I agree. Let everyone judge for themselves if I'm being truthful or not.

I could go through that list of yours and point out why most of them are meaningless (there are a few I can't dispute, but that's more likely because I don't have enough information), but I'm tired of arguing, and I think most people are smart 'nuff to see the same things.

 

[Foxhunter]

I have an idea.... May I ask who you used the heart on? It may clear up a few things in my mind.

I didn't use it on anyone.

I'll admit I haven't really been playing because of laziness not business (I got behind on the thread and then felt like catching up would take too much time PLUS assumed I'd been lynched for being quiet).

 

[StartingoverVet]

Way back when. Conversions are always possible and we don't know how many we're down to. She's been on SDN quite frequently though she's been hardly posting in the thread. It just doesn't make sense. Regardless of whether or not she's a wolf, she's not helping anyone. And it seems like we don't have an idea of who any of the wolves are. I serious can't believe she's been kept alive this long.

And this i completely agree with.. I have already pointed out my suspicions about her reappearance.

But LIS would just call me "stirring the pot" when I say it.

 

[LetItSnow]

Should read

*that professor hinkle was a magician.

Pointing out things that anyone could quickly google is hardly contributing. It's a great way for a wolf to attempt to appear to be contributing, when they know they are really just tossing out info that anyone would find anyway.

Heck. I know I've done it in other games as a wolf. 🙂

 

[orcagirl]

Should read

*that professor hinkle was a magician.

Just going to point out that even with you changing that to magician your sentence still reads "I kind of take offense to that b/c i did *that professor hinkle was a magician." Not grammatically correct. And all the arguing before and catching up made me cranky, and I don't like improper grammar very much.

 

[orcagirl]

Nothing to respond to. Everyone is suspect at this point.

I was talking about why I wasn't killed in the beginning of the game, your response was kind of a non-sequitor in my mind so I ignored it.

Jeez. 🙄

I see. You just seemed to take offense to anything everyone else was saying about you, that I was feeling a little left out.

I just want to wolves to die so my head won't hurt so much anymore.

 

[StartingoverVet]

You mean like the way you're attacking me like I am just saying stuff to defend myself unnecessarily.....?

I agree. Let everyone judge for themselves if I'm being truthful or not.

I could go through that list of yours and point out why most of them are meaningless (there are a few I can't dispute, but that's more likely because I don't have enough information), but I'm tired of arguing, and I think most people are smart 'nuff to see the same things.

You keep on saying "SOV is stirring the pot". ..

I called you out on one freaking thing, and I said I didn't think you were a wolf, but that was suspicious. One accusation against you is not stirring the freaking pot.

Shut up already.. you are literally either forcing us to lose or a lame wolf.
God.. I see why DVMD gets so annoyed with you.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Just going to point out that even with you changing that to magician your sentence still reads "I kind of take offense to that b/c i did *that professor hinkle was a magician." Not grammatically correct. And all the arguing before and catching up made me cranky, and I don't like improper grammar very much.

I kind of take offense to that b/c i did *point out that Professor Hinkle was a magician*

Grammar Nazi😛

 

[DVMDream]

Ok this is what I have right now:

*LIS passed FFM's role to jdh... which has been confirmed.

*LIS says he was attacked last night, but not revealing how he was protected... my guess is jdh.

*jdh had the sled... somehow he crashed it.... not sure how that would have worked with the roles/items we have in the game currently.. unless it is just creative input from our mod.

*Nohika went to investigate SOV but was blocked by a magic show.

*SOV says that magic show was most likely FTB.

*FH appears out of thin air.


Am I missing anything?

 

[StartingoverVet]

Pointing out things that anyone could quickly google is hardly contributing. It's a great way for a wolf to attempt to appear to be contributing, when they know they are really just tossing out info that anyone would find anyway.

Heck. I know I've done it in other games as a wolf. 🙂

That's it lynch LIS

No one connected the 2 with Dyachei's comment like I did. Google doesn't help you think obviously. Case in point.

 

[orcagirl]

I kind of take offense to that b/c i did *point out that Professor Hinkle was a magician*

Grammar Nazi😛

Doesn't help that the husband's an English teacher, though I still haven't mastered the use of the comma. It's the poet in me that likes to put them willy-nilly.

 

[DVMDream]

I kind of take offense to that b/c i did *point out that Professor Hinkle was a magician*

I don't know.... just about any 5 year old could tell you that Professor Hinkle was a magician.... 😛

 

[StartingoverVet]

Ok this is what I have right now:

*LIS passed FFM's role to jdh... which has been confirmed.

*LIS says he was attacked last night, but not revealing how he was protected... my guess is jdh.

*jdh had the sled... somehow he crashed it.... not sure how that would have worked with the roles/items we have in the game currently.. unless it is just creative input from our mod.

*Nohika went to investigate SOV but was blocked by a magic show.

*SOV says that magic show was most likely FTB.

*FH appears out of thin air.


Am I missing anything?

I think JDH was protecting himself not LIS. That was what he was obviously doing earlier in the game, don't see why he would suddenly change. Whether LIS was actually attacked is certainly not confirmed.

I think the crash is just creative input from the mod, telling us that the item went down with the player.

 

[LetItSnow]

One accusation against you is not stirring the freaking pot.

Where did I say that one accusation was stirring the pot? You've been doing it all game.

Shut up already.. you are literally either forcing us to lose or a lame wolf.
God.. I see why DVMD gets so annoyed with you.

Voting to lynch me is *definitely* forcing us to lose.

Your choice. I think you want the villagers to lose, though.

 

[orcagirl]

Reading through all this I kind of feel like Sheldon when Leonard and Penny were fighting in that one episode of The Big Bang Theory.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Where did I say that one accusation was stirring the pot? You've been doing it all game.
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?????

Definitely not.

The more you say, the more I distrust you.

 

[LetItSnow]

Am I missing anything?

I think you are not missing anything.

I would guess that JDH crashed the sled by virtue of the mod removing it from the game, but that's pure speculation on my part.

 

[DVMDream]

I think JDH was protecting himself not LIS. That was what he was obviously doing earlier in the game, don't see why he would suddenly change. Whether LIS was actually attacked is certainly not confirmed.

I think the crash is just creative input from the mod, telling us that the item went down with the player.

From a villager standpoint, it makes no sense to protect yourself when you have the sleigh.... it would be better to protect someone else... and the only person jdh trusted was LIS.... Dyachei also wrote in the write up that there was something that happened in LIS' group (which is only him and FH) and the members seemed dazed but not harmed....

Jdh crashing his sleigh was separate from that..... I am leaning towards creative license by the mod... because I can't think of anything else that would have caused that.

 

[StartingoverVet]

From a villager standpoint, it makes no sense to protect yourself when you have the sleigh.... it would be better to protect someone else... and the only person jdh trusted was LIS.... Dyachei also wrote in the write up that there was something that happened in LIS' group (which is only him and FH) and the members seemed dazed but not harmed....

Jdh crashing his sleigh was separate from that..... I am leaning towards creative license by the mod... because I can't think of anything else that would have caused that.

You come to the same conclusion in paragraph 2..

but I assumed that the sleigh was only to escape lynch, not attack. If I was JDH I would not jump to that conclusion. I would want to protect myself unless I was sure of another important player.

And the description that you mention, does NOT match the protection that Rudolph gave that was described by JDH and in my Devyn investigation.

It seems an entirely different event.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Re-reading the write-up...

I have to assume LIS is telling the truth that he was attacked since the scuffle does sound like an attack.

That means he can't be a wolf. Just a pig-headed old man.

unlynch LIS

Whether LIS was protected by JDH or some role or item, is probably best left to the imagination. Wolves don't need to know whether LIS is killable or not as he is the only one i trust now (as much as it pains me to say it).

 

[orcagirl]

Re-reading the write-up...

I have to assume LIS is telling the truth that he was attacked since the scuffle does sound like an attack.

That means he can't be a wolf. Just a pig-headed old man.

unlynch LIS

Whether LIS was protected by JDH or some role or item, is probably best left to the imagination. Wolves don't need to know whether LIS is killable or not as he is the only one i trust now (as much as it pains me to say it).

I reread that too. If the scuffle was in Whoville, is it possible that two members of Whoville got into a scuffle? And if we trust LIS because of that, could FH possibly be the wolf?

 

[DVMDream]

I know I brought nohika back to life....

but any opinions on her?

 

[DVMDream]

And the description that you mention, does NOT match the protection that Rudolph gave that was described by JDH and in my Devyn investigation.

It seems an entirely different event.

I am not sure what you are relating this to????

 

[LetItSnow]

I reread that too. If the scuffle was in Whoville, is it possible that two members of Whoville got into a scuffle? And if we trust LIS because of that, could FH possibly be the wolf?

All my PM said was that I was attacked at night. No details about the type of attack, no artistic license, nothing. Just that I was attacked.

The next sentence explained why I was not harmed. Revealing that would give the wolves the knowledge they need to kill me.

If I postulate SOV as a wolf, this becomes plausible:

1) Wolves try to kill me. Fails.
2) Wolves say "WTF?" (Which, btw, was exactly what I said.) They decide that they can't risk attacking me again and having it fail, so for tonight they pick somebody else because it's more important to get <somebody> than anyone specific.
3) SOV starts trying to make me look fishy in preparation for trying to get me lynched tomorrow to finish out the game.

If SOV is a wolf, Devyn seems almost certain to be one, too. Probably SOV as an original and Devyn as a convert, or SOV as the first convert and Devyn as the second.

I have no proof of either.

If I postulate that SOV is not a wolf, then I'm left with a muddy picture and no clue who the wolves are, other than to say they did a stellar job. In support of SOV not being a wolf ... it'd probably be easier to get FH lynched and then pick one of the other 2-3 (other than me, that is) villagers to kill tonight. No need to really try and get me lynched when you could probably just as easily get FH lynched.

I dunno. I'm tired, it's finals, and I've got nothing.

 

[wolfspeaker]

Reading through all this I kind of feel like Sheldon when Leonard and Penny were fighting in that one episode of The Big Bang Theory.

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[StartingoverVet]

I am not sure what you are relating this to????

Don't really want to answer this because I don't think I should make this any clearer for the wolves than needs be... but I don't want to be attacked again for .... welll you know what ....

Dyachei describes a scuffle... that is not what happened when Rudolph protected JDH (there was a red light), or when I investigated devyn while she was protected (a red light).

Therefore I assume that this was a different type of protection..

 

[orcagirl]

I know I brought nohika back to life....

but any opinions on her?

Personally I think she'd make a great wolf convert. She was cleared by death and so people trusted her. Why not convert Frosty to an evil blood-thirsty snowman (all my description. I just thought it was an interesting image in my head)? I really have no idea though.

 

[orcagirl]

All my PM said was that I was attacked at night. No details about the type of attack, no artistic license, nothing. Just that I was attacked.

The next sentence explained why I was not harmed. Revealing that would give the wolves the knowledge they need to kill me.

If I postulate SOV as a wolf, this becomes plausible:

1) Wolves try to kill me. Fails.
2) Wolves say "WTF?" (Which, btw, was exactly what I said.) They decide that they can't risk attacking me again and having it fail, so for tonight they pick somebody else because it's more important to get <somebody> than anyone specific.
3) SOV starts trying to make me look fishy in preparation for trying to get me lynched tomorrow to finish out the game.

If SOV is a wolf, Devyn seems almost certain to be one, too. Probably SOV as an original and Devyn as a convert, or SOV as the first convert and Devyn as the second.

I have no proof of either.

If I postulate that SOV is not a wolf, then I'm left with a muddy picture and no clue who the wolves are, other than to say they did a stellar job. In support of SOV not being a wolf ... it'd probably be easier to get FH lynched and then pick one of the other 2-3 (other than me, that is) villagers to kill tonight. No need to really try and get me lynched when you could probably just as easily get FH lynched.

I dunno. I'm tired, it's finals, and I've got nothing.

I'm not trying to get you lynched. In all reality I'm trying to FH lynched tomorrow. I mean really it's been annoying me how often she's getting on without checking in here. I've wanted to lynch her a couple times now and people are like "Oh she's clear, you can't lynch her." Her being gone for so long just seems suspicious to me. And she comes back at the end of the game, when there are people finally starting to look at her.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Personally I think she'd make a great wolf convert. She was cleared by death and so people trusted her. Why not convert Frosty to an evil blood-thirsty snowman (all my description. I just thought it was an interesting image in my head)? I really have no idea though.

That was what I posted several days ago in my analysis of the remaining characters.

 

[orcagirl]

That was what I posted several days ago in my analysis of the remaining characters.

Sorry. 😳 I tried to read as much of that as I could, but with all the disagreeing, but really kind of agreeing going on it made it hard to focus.