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jdh71 said:
See why we never needed a seer for the rest of the game?

Ok of we assume devyn is a concert deduction would give us SOV as an original wolf probably as he would have avoided initial seering. This would also make him more likely to be an alpha wolf. So needs to go now.

They get a kill.

Which leaves me, LIS and FH (probably a villager) or nohika who is frosty.

We lynch devyn and that should game.
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What?

Where do you get that from?

I guarantee you if I was an unseerable wolf, I would have run for mayor. It is my dream.
 
devyn said:
Are you drunk or just posting from your phone?


You can lynch me, but that essentially gives the game to the wolves which is what they are counting on....

You lynch a villager today (me) then they get a kill tonight - game over... that is it....

There are 4 permanent players left and 1 temporary.... which means after today's lynch assuming there are 2 wolves which I think is a very good possibility that then tonight it will be their game - they will win.....

This is not an information finding lynch anymore - this is end game.... this is it.... so I would not recommend lynching me if we want to win this game for the villagers.
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Been sober for 5.5 years, so posting from my phone.

You're going to die but SOV goes first. We don't need you.
 
jdh71 said:
Been sober for 5.5 years, so posting from my phone.

You're going to die but SOV goes first. We don't need you.
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Well. I don't know if it's right, but when it comes down to it, we've either got SOV/Devyn or FH/Nohika, most likely. I'm slightly concerned it's the latter, but I think the former is more likely.

So... lynch SOV

Still want to know why FH unlynched Devyn.
 
jdh71 said:
Even weaker.

Not so wordy when you aren't throwing me under the bus because of a ******ed PM that was useful in getting some of theory gullible to lynch me.
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i'm busy with my wife now..

You lynched yourself buster. You pushed too hard for a lynch that made little sense, and you basically tried to lie and frame devyn.

don't know if she is guilty or not, but your play left a lot to be desired.

and you wanted to lynch dvmd when you thought she was innocent.

i would lynch 99/100 playing like that... .and most everyone else agreed who was in the game.

and why the hell hide that you are a protector when you can protect yourself. absolutely no risk in telling us that. it would have made that whole attack thing so much more understandable.

no.. you keep it all too close to the vest and then go gung ho even if you aren't sure.

And then when it is 50/50 based on an investigation you come after me?

on some 100% wrong wild-ass theory about an "alpha-wolf".
If you weren't already dead I would be sure you were a wolf.
 
LetItSnow said:
Still want to know why FH unlynched Devyn.
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I would guess cause it is a he said/she said situation. Or she is a wolf and was told either to give devyn a chance, or not to seem so eager to lynch the wrong person...

Don't forget Nohika was high on the suspicion list (at least from orca and dvm)

I wanted to hear both sides before voting, but now JDH has it all side tracked on me. Still gonna wait before voting.

I know JDH has a one track mind here.. but hopefully we can make an informed judgment.
 
I am headed to bed... lynch deadline is 8 AM tomorrow...... I will check back in before deadline....

I am not keen on jdh's theories since I know he is wrong about me and was was wrong about DVM (evidenced by death). He still does not seem to get the fact that if we lynch the wrong person this game is over.... and we lose.... not cool.....

I am not sure whether SOV is a wolf or not - maybe I am being played big time.... it is very possible - it has happened in the past..... one particular game LIS pulled the wool over my eyes and I was none too happy about it.... but so far he has been more forthcoming then jdh ever was..... and he could have easily had me lynched multiple times by now - so that makes me think he is not a wolf

I know I am not a wolf.... and I want a villager win... the fact that Nohika is throwing out false investigation results means that she is definitely not playing for the villagers or the item has been fecked with in some way....

so for now....

lynch Nohika
 
I am gonna apologize for the emotional reaction... I want to win and I am getting frustrated.

JDH- Please try to listen to the following temporarily suspending your certainty that I am a wolf and THEN double check if maybe you could be giving away the game here.

Way back when ..... I told you I had santa's list. I asked if you thought I should investigate devyn and you agreed.

That investigation was blocked with the rudolph flashing nose thing..
IF i was really this wolf you (falsely) believe I am
1- why would I bother actually investigating someone I knew was a seer.
2- if you believe i had a reason, why would I do it twice.
a - if I wanted devyn dead or suspicious at that point... i didn't have to do anything.. the investigation being blocked was suspicious. I was the one who figured out it must have been FFM...
b - if I wanted devyn dead I wouldn't have investigated her a second time and cleared her.
c - if I wanted to convert devyn, i would never have thrown suspicion on her the first time.
d- if devyn was already a wolf, I would have just lied and said that devyn was cleared.

There is no possible scenario, where me doing what ACTUALLY happened can make any sense whatsoever with me being this wolf you are assuming. NONE.

It just doesn't make sense logicially because it isn't true. Look, when I am a wolf, I am pretty good wolf, and I wouldn't make such a bizarre error. I have been known to make some grand schemes but not that has no possible way of benefitting me in the end.

Devyn has been under suspicion ever since then, and my clearing her put me under suspicion as well.

Can I logically show how I couldn;t have been converted? No. of course not. But your crazy theory depends on me being an original and alpha wolf, and that is not possible.

I am telling you, you are wrong. Please go rethink it.... and then try to look back at my actions as if maybe you were wrong, and you will see I have done everything i can as a normal villager. I have no powers, i have not been inconsistent... just a little frustrated at you and LIS at the end here.

Lynching me throws away the game when you are wrong. Think about that.

Picking among the 50/50 shot gives us a chance to win.

That's it.

Hopefully you can work it out on your own now.

Peace out.
SOV
 
StartingoverVet said:
i'm busy with my wife now..

You lynched yourself buster. You pushed too hard for a lynch that made little sense, and you basically tried to lie and frame devyn.
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My lynch of devyn at the time made a TON of sense. I already told you that, we've been over that. Her death gave the group much more information than it would have had otherwise - more information than it clearly has even now

don't know if she is guilty or not, but your play left a lot to be desired.
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No, it didn't. And I saw how quickly you jumped and harped on that PM things, especially after you saw how gullibly DVMD latched right onto it

and you wanted to lynch dvmd when you thought she was innocent.
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For a bit I thought lynching DVMD would tell me something about devyn, especially because she was on my nuts like terrier at a christmas party, but I realized that she was innocent and just playing like she had lost her mind, and that if she was innocent it didn't actually tell me anything about devyn - at all

and why the hell hide that you are a protector when you can protect yourself. absolutely no risk in telling us that. it would have made that whole attack thing so much more understandable.
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I hid it so that I would hopefully be a wolf target again, thereby wasting a kill attempt. That should be pretty obvious. Also, if I wanted to lend a hand to protect someone else, I didn't want the wolves to know there was another protecting power out there.

And then when it is 50/50 based on an investigation you come after me?

on some 100% wrong wild-ass theory about an "alpha-wolf".
If you weren't already dead I would be sure you were a wolf.
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If you wouldn't have been so quick to toss me under the bus with the stupid PM nonsense. You and devyn kept perseverating on it - "she told you, she told you, she told you".

Yeah. People say a lot of crap in this game. What she told me was that she investigated YOU and ME and that we were cool and he could now start working with us. She then told us she investigated FTB and I believe LIS next. Then all of a sudden, she now says she can only investigate every other night. It was odd, but I did brush it off. Interestingly enough, perhaps I missed it but I've not seen another "investigation" from her since everything blew up.

IF she was converted, and you were seen as clean initially, it does stand to reason that you are one of the original wolves, and if you can hid from investigation, then most likely an alpha wolf. It's kind of a common metric these days.
 
devyn said:
I am headed to bed... lynch deadline is 8 AM tomorrow...... I will check back in before deadline....

I am not keen on jdh's theories since I know he is wrong about me and was was wrong about DVM (evidenced by death). He still does not seem to get the fact that if we lynch the wrong person this game is over.... and we lose.... not cool.....
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I wasn't wrong about DVMD. I didn't think she was a wolf. I thought you probably were and now I think you definitely are.

I am not sure whether SOV is a wolf or not - maybe I am being played big time.... it is very possible - it has happened in the past..... one particular game LIS pulled the wool over my eyes and I was none too happy about it.... but so far he has been more forthcoming then jdh ever was..... and he could have easily had me lynched multiple times by now - so that makes me think he is not a wolf

I know I am not a wolf.... and I want a villager win... the fact that Nohika is throwing out false investigation results means that she is definitely not playing for the villagers or the item has been fecked with in some way....

so for now....

lynch Nohika
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Nohika had the list

lawl
 
StartingoverVet said:
I am gonna apologize for the emotional reaction... I want to win and I am getting frustrated.

JDH- Please try to listen to the following temporarily suspending your certainty that I am a wolf and THEN double check if maybe you could be giving away the game here.

Way back when ..... I told you I had santa's list. I asked if you thought I should investigate devyn and you agreed.

That investigation was blocked with the rudolph flashing nose thing..
IF i was really this wolf you (falsely) believe I am
1- why would I bother actually investigating someone I knew was a seer.
2- if you believe i had a reason, why would I do it twice.
a - if I wanted devyn dead or suspicious at that point... i didn't have to do anything.. the investigation being blocked was suspicious. I was the one who figured out it must have been FFM...
b - if I wanted devyn dead I wouldn't have investigated her a second time and cleared her.
c - if I wanted to convert devyn, i would never have thrown suspicion on her the first time.
d- if devyn was already a wolf, I would have just lied and said that devyn was cleared.

There is no possible scenario, where me doing what ACTUALLY happened can make any sense whatsoever with me being this wolf you are assuming. NONE.

It just doesn't make sense logicially because it isn't true. Look, when I am a wolf, I am pretty good wolf, and I wouldn't make such a bizarre error. I have been known to make some grand schemes but not that has no possible way of benefitting me in the end.

Devyn has been under suspicion ever since then, and my clearing her put me under suspicion as well.

Can I logically show how I couldn;t have been converted? No. of course not. But your crazy theory depends on me being an original and alpha wolf, and that is not possible.

I am telling you, you are wrong. Please go rethink it.... and then try to look back at my actions as if maybe you were wrong, and you will see I have done everything i can as a normal villager. I have no powers, i have not been inconsistent... just a little frustrated at you and LIS at the end here.

Lynching me throws away the game when you are wrong. Think about that.

Picking among the 50/50 shot gives us a chance to win.

That's it.

Hopefully you can work it out on your own now.

Peace out.
SOV
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Sorry, the way you tossed me so summarily and quickly under the bus yesterday and over that stupid PM about devyn investigating every other night. Nah. You guys were grasping for whatever you could.

If I'm wrong I'll metaphorically eat my hat.
 
Sorry for disappearing. I literally used the last couple percent of my phone's battery to send the message I did, then I had to go transport my siblings and I just now got home.

I don't care what devyn says. Devyn is guilty. Devyn is a CONVERT. I get that the wolves have been doing this "lol, throw someone under the bus at the end!". I do. I've also been the victim of that before.

I am not lying. I lost the list unfortunately.

It's frustrating that based on previous endgame, no one believes a late-game investigation anymore.

The only reason I'm really "high" on any lists is because I was revived and have stayed so. The number of games where the revived has actually came back as a wolf is VERY SMALL. I remembered this being argued a game or two back.

I'm not a wolf. I'm a villager, who was curious enough about devyn to investigate her and she came back as converted. My vote stands.
 
nohika said:
Sorry for disappearing. I literally used the last couple percent of my phone's battery to send the message I did, then I had to go transport my siblings and I just now got home.

I don't care what devyn says. Devyn is guilty. Devyn is a CONVERT. I get that the wolves have been doing this "lol, throw someone under the bus at the end!". I do. I've also been the victim of that before.

I am not lying. I lost the list unfortunately.

It's frustrating that based on previous endgame, no one believes a late-game investigation anymore.

The only reason I'm really "high" on any lists is because I was revived and have stayed so. The number of games where the revived has actually came back as a wolf is VERY SMALL. I remembered this being argued a game or two back.

I'm not a wolf. I'm a villager, who was curious enough about devyn to investigate her and she came back as converted. My vote stands.
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just vote SOV and let's get on with this

I think it's less likely a convert can convert, so I say go with the guy most likely to be one of the remaining wolves

we lynch devyn next time
 
jdh71 said:
Sorry, the way you tossed me so summarily and quickly under the bus yesterday and over that stupid PM about devyn investigating every other night. Nah. You guys were grasping for whatever you could.

If I'm wrong I'll metaphorically eat my hat.
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SMH.. .

So now that I have logic on my side you go back to your gut.

You would have done the same with someone pushing to lynch a seer (still don't agree it added any info) and ignoring inconvenient information and trying to mislead.

You are again ignoring what inconveniently doesn't fit with your theory.

Just remember "you were wrong"... and keep saying that over and over again tomorrow.
 
nohika said:
So instead of lynching a /sure/ wolf...we're lynching a possible one?
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Of course. Because it is me.

I am apparently an alpha wolf who does nothing right as a wolf, but JDH says I must be one, so I must be.

I think I am more hurt that anyone could conceive that I could play so badly as an alpha wolf, and also unseerable.
 
nohika said:
So instead of lynching a /sure/ wolf...we're lynching a possible one?
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And based on me lynching JDH ... i mean you would think I was the deciding vote.... he was lynched twice... by considerable margins. but ooooh, I must be a wolf.

Silly me for jumping on someone for completely omitting relevant information to make someone else seem guilty. :laugh:
 
StartingoverVet said:
I think I am more hurt that anyone could conceive that I could play so badly as an alpha wolf, and also unseerable.
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You're overacting, and I'm going to call your bluff and get the game over with, for better or worse. Sticking with my lynch SOV vote.

JDH, with regard to the convert converting someone .. I have modded with Dyachei, and I'm confident she'd happily let a convert convert another wolf.
 
jdh71 said:
I think it's less likely a convert can convert, so I say go with the guy most likely to be one of the remaining wolves
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Again this makes no sense. The person most likely to be a wolf is Nohika/Devyn. 100% has to be one of them.

I don't really understand your logic at all.

Wolves convert. This alpha nonsense is just that.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Again this makes no sense. The person most likely to be a wolf is Nohika/Devyn. 100% has to be one of them.

I don't really understand your logic at all.

Wolves convert. This alpha nonsense is just that.
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...so this late in the game, when I could happily let them lynch someone else (ie YOU)...I'm trying to get them to lynch devyn?

This makes no sense. If I was a wolf, I would've lynched you. Provided you're not a wolf, that is. Not devyn.
 
Can't sleep this is bothering so much...

You know what I hate?

JDH was all "use logic, not your gut" ...

I post a very logical response that should prove to him that his cockamanie theory is wrong..

And he goes with his gut.

THINK. I asked you to suspend your surety, and THINK, and I KNOW you haven't done that. You have drawn your conclusion and don't care what logic is presented. Because if you reread my post about the Devyn investigations I know you know it doesn't add up. Because it CAN'T add up unless your conclusion I was a complete *****. What is patently false can't make sense in your mind if you are actually thinking instead of reacting emotionally.

You see. Everyone is a hypocrite in this game. All the recommendations are for others... never following our own advice.
 
nohika said:
...so this late in the game, when I could happily let them lynch someone else (ie YOU)...I'm trying to get them to lynch devyn?

This makes no sense. If I was a wolf, I would've lynched you. Provided you're not a wolf, that is. Not devyn.
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I didn't say it was you. I am trying to point out the logic of a known fact.

I am saying with certainty it is either you or devyn (well I guess it could be both ... but I wasn't saying that).

You are either telling the truth.. .Devyn is a wolf... or you are lying .. you are a wolf. either way it is a certainty that one of you is a wolf (and yeah I am leaning towards Devyn if that is relevant at all)

I wasn't worrying about which one people choose to lynch yet, as I seem to be the target.

I have just never seen a situation where people ignore a pretty straight forward choice to speculate widely on conjecture and innuendo.
 
StartingoverVet said:
I didn't say it was you. I am trying to point out the logic of a known fact.

I am saying with certainty it is either you or devyn (well I guess it could be both ... but I wasn't saying that).

You are either telling the truth.. .Devyn is a wolf... or you are lying .. you are a wolf. either way it is a certainty that one of you is a wolf (and yeah I am leaning towards Devyn if that is relevant at all)

I wasn't worrying about which one people choose to lynch yet, as I seem to be the target.

I have just never seen a situation where people ignore a pretty straight forward choice to speculate widely on conjecture and innuendo.
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Sorry, it's late and I'm studying. 😳 I think end-game investigations have been ruined by the wolves that have thrown villagers under the bus. Kind of wish I was one of them, but I'm not.

I wouldn't play this kind of end-game as a wolf. I don't. Throwing someone under the bus when everyone is so happy to lynch each other is not my style.
 
I keeping on getting paranoid... and thinking... wait can LIS and JDH be wolves.? Am I missing something?

I mean... LIS could have had a wolf attack him to make him look innocent. That has certainly been done before. AND he brought back JDH, so maybe they are in cahoots. I mean why else would people ignore an investigation to string someone else up.... And then LIS was lynching me BEFORE results were out.. Why is that? Why should he want me dead over a real wolf?

I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. Who does that? It is all just so strange isn't it?

I just don't see how JDH could be turned even if LIS was a wolf who staged his own attack.

I mean, any other time, I would be convinced it is a desperate wolf plot... but I don't see how.

So frustrated.
 
nohika said:
Sorry, it's late and I'm studying. 😳 I think end-game investigations have been ruined by the wolves that have thrown villagers under the bus. Kind of wish I was one of them, but I'm not.

I wouldn't play this kind of end-game as a wolf. I don't. Throwing someone under the bus when everyone is so happy to lynch each other is not my style.
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YOu are straight forward. It makes sense. Even if you were a wolf it is understandable.

But not the guys. If I had a role they were afraid of, perhaps it would make sense to go balls to the wall to eliminate me. But I don't.

And still. I believe JDH believes himself.
But LIS must have believed JDH would go after Devyn not me... So ....

I don't know.

My stream of consciousness is not getting me anywhere but more insomnia.
 
StartingoverVet said:
YOu are straight forward. It makes sense. Even if you were a wolf it is understandable.

But not the guys. If I had a role they were afraid of, perhaps it would make sense to go balls to the wall to eliminate me. But I don't.

And still. I believe JDH believes himself.
But LIS must have believed JDH would go after Devyn not me... So ....

I don't know.

My stream of consciousness is not getting me anywhere but more insomnia.
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I'm somewhat straight forward. However, if I was a wolf, I'd be quiet and not try and draw any attention to myself when everyone is happily trying to lynch everyone else.
 
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banging head into wall
On phone, lack ability for anything more creative than that.
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StartingoverVet said:
SMH.. .

So now that I have logic on my side you go back to your gut.

You would have done the same with someone pushing to lynch a seer (still don't agree it added any info) and ignoring inconvenient information and trying to mislead.

You are again ignoring what inconveniently doesn't fit with your theory.

Just remember "you were wrong"... and keep saying that over and over again tomorrow.
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You don't have logic.

I was the only person using logic with regards to the devyn lynch prior. We didn't need a seer this late I'm the game and everyone also agrees with me.

It was all about how to get the most information. I have this repeatedly. Your insistence to the contrary has been noted but that dog doesn't swim.

I know what went down with the PM nonsense and I saw how it was used to summarily toss me under the bus when you two saw DVMD go for that stupid bull****. You have since tried to pretend that didn't happen and haven't been bringing it up.

You can tell me "you were wrong" after you're lynched and found to be innocent until then it's all huff, puff, and bluff.
 
Rudolph (pt 2) rams directly into SOV's stomach with his short set of antlers. A disemboweled SOV slumps to the floor.

SOV, a villager who lost his heart, is dead

Whoville:
1. lissarae -villager
2. swingnsave - oogie boogie
3. wldlfstdnt - villager
4. The LIS
5. Foxhunter

North Pole:
1. zany - villager
2. DVMD - villager
3. orcagirl - ghost of Christmas Past
4.tropictuco - Ebenezer Scrooge
5. Krist - villager

Island of Misfit Toys:
1. kakuru - villager
2. wolfspeaker - villager
3. equineconstant - villager
4. T4C - villager
5. EngrSC - villager

Polar Express:
1. jdh - Rudolph pt 2
2. FFM - Rudolph
3. FTB - professor hinkle
4. devyn
5. SOV - Villager turned naughty

London - Muppet Version:
1. Philliab - villager
2. nohika - Frosty
3. kaydubs - villager
4. SnS - villager
5.hedgie - The Grinch
6.Packen - villager

night deadline at 3 pm.
 
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Woo-hoo!!!!!! Keep it up villagers!!!!
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StartingoverVet said:
SMH.. .

So now that I have logic on my side you go back to your gut.

You would have done the same with someone pushing to lynch a seer (still don't agree it added any info) and ignoring inconvenient information and trying to mislead.

You are again ignoring what inconveniently doesn't fit with your theory.

Just remember "you were wrong"... and keep saying that over and over again tomorrow.
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You don't have logic.

I was the only person using logic with regards to the devyn lynch prior. We didn't need a seer this late I'm the game and everyone also agrees with me.

It was all about how to get the most information. I have this repeatedly. Your insistence to the contrary has been noted but that dog doesn't swim.

I know what went down with the PM nonsense and I saw how it was used to summarily toss me under the bus when you two saw DVMD go for that stupid bull****. You have since tried to pretend that didn't happen and haven't been bringing it up.

You can tell me "you were wrong" after you're lynched and found to be innocent until then it's all huff, puff, and bluff.

You're all over the place trying to beg and borrow your way out of a lynch.
 
StartingoverVet said:
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you lynched the right guy for the wrong reasons....

So yes you were wrong.

:laugh:



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Enjoy with as much schadenfreude as you like.

Though you gave me a hard time for not telling you guys everything. I notice you had a role.

We were all cool by PM until I came back to see you and devyn throwing me under the bus in the open forum. It snowballed from there. Enough of a crack to create what happened. The only way at that point for me to know what was true or not was to lynch devyn of who I was suspicious.

It's a good lesson.

I was more willing to be wrong than be played by yourself and devyn.

Recalibrating
 
LetItSnow said:
You might want to say whatever you have to say now. You're going to go back to the grave, I imagine. My biggest fear right now is the remaining wolf having the hat. 😛
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Oh. I don't get to live any longer? That's not good.

I will say that prior to this last lynch you said it was either nohika/FH or SOV/devyn.

That's probably where the money is. If SOV was legit then devyn probably is too.

And this was why I wanted a devyn lynch prior, I would have known you were good, SOV was good, and DVMD. Sometimes you sacrifice a rook to get the checkmate.
 
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