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princeafrica is THE ENDO SDNHow do you know that?
Sorry I asked this, I am just trying to find some hopes.
princeafrica is THE ENDO SDNHow do you know that?
Sorry I asked this, I am just trying to find some hopes.
Do you know when they were sent?Some invites were sent out but not all
😂 I was too busy finishing up residency this summer to be of use on hereprinceafrica is THE ENDO SDN
No sorry. It’s rolling so they invite as they go through apps and as people get invited and decline invites if already acceptedDo you know when they were sent?
Aren’t you the person who applied 5 times?😂 I was too busy finishing up residency this summer to be of use on here
Last TuesdayDo you know what day they sent the invite? I just got the completion email last Thursday and applied very early!!!
Lol huh? wrong guy? Patrick check OSU resident pageAren’t you the person who applied 5 times?
They want to see if your "Ivyitis" is found worthy or wanting, and if worthy, allow you to commit $$ suicide to get $200 more a pop from insurance companiesAnyone know what Penn looks for in a candidate
They don’t interview their own dental grads that much from what I’m hearingThey want to see if your "Ivyitis" is found worthy or wanting, and if worthy, allow you to commit $$ suicide to get $200 more a pop from insurance companies
Case Western you usually start to see movement in October but even as far as December/Jan@princeafrica
Do you know anything so far about invites from case western??
They don’t interview their own dental grads that much from what I’m hearing
What case western looks for in candidates ?? One thing I know is good ADAT..grades and PD wants everyone to be board certified but most residents i talked to there they don’t have plan to be board certified. My information is old. I don’t know about current situation!?? I know PD produces great endodontists!Case Western you usually start to see movement in October but even as far as December/Jan
But for now a resident just told me nothing sent yet
I Heard a couple of times that schools wants their residents to be board certified.What case western looks for in candidates ?? One thing I know is good ADAT..grades and PD wants everyone to be board certified but most residents i talked to there they don’t have plan to be board certified. My information is old. I don’t know about current situation!?? I know PD produces great endodontists!
-is PD still want applicant-with experience vs couple years experience? High GPA ? Research experience?I
Any recommendations?what are some top 15 endo programs for international Dentist with an AEGD from an Ivy League university?
I am trying to create a list to research their programs for future cycle.
Any advice adn Personal experience would be greatly helpful and appreciated,
Thank you.
One of the biggest reasons why most PDs push for board certification is simply for specialty recognition.I don’t know why! Residents here can answer this question? the oral exam is very hard and you need to study a lot to pass it.
WHY YOU WANT TO BE BOARD CERTIFIED ENDODONTIST ??
You make me proudOne of the biggest reasons why most PDs push for board certification is simply for specialty recognition.
I’m sure most endo residents have already had this lecture in their first year but in 1989 our speciality recognition was suspended and was challenged by the ADA. This was largely due in part of questioning sufficient “body of knowledge” to justify its existence as a standalone specialty.
As a whole, the Endodontics speciality has the lowest board certification rate (23%) while being the 4th largest licensed specialty (approx. 5700) licensed Endodontics. Specialty knowledge makes a specialty not doing a specific procedure ie doing root canals — otherwise we’d just be called pulp pickers.
But of course you can lead a deer to water but you can’t force them to drink it.
Why don't the programs make board certified the requirements for graduates? Pass Written and oral examination before they graduate?One of the biggest reasons why most PDs push for board certification is simply for specialty recognition.
I’m sure most endo residents have already had this lecture in their first year but in 1989 our speciality recognition was suspended and was challenged by the ADA. This was largely due in part of questioning sufficient “body of knowledge” to justify its existence as a standalone specialty.
As a whole, the Endodontics speciality has the lowest board certification rate (23%) while being the 4th largest licensed specialty (approx. 5700) licensed Endodontics. Specialty knowledge makes a specialty not doing a specific procedure ie doing root canals — otherwise we’d just be called pulp pickers.
But of course you can lead a deer to water but you can’t force them to drink it.
Why don't the programs make board certified the requirements for graduates? Pass Written and oral examination before they graduate?
Board certification should be challenging because you do want to make sure those who take part possess the knowledge to help advance the profession in the right direction. However, the AAE is also kind of shooting them selves in the foot. The written is fairly standardized and straight forward. Basically you acquire the knowledge to pass the test through lit reviews during residency and some studying afterwards. The oral exam is a racket and much more difficult. They make it much harder and inconvenient than it needs to be and also VERY vague. You basically need to know everything about Endo (which is good) but then cite a source to either support or refute your answers. But bringing up authors to cite your claims during an oral exam on the spot is very challenging and takes a lot of preparation. Then they’ll also ask you absolutely obscure questions that have nothing to do with clinical Endo. You also need to prepare for the tactics of the exam as well. It’s complicated. So when you get out of residency you are starting families, practices, and focusing on your clinical growth. Then to try and add months of studying on top of that? You start to have priorities and studying for orals falls to the bottom. But if you don’t prioritize it you will not pass. Whats crazy is they have also made it easier recently but the results are similar. Long story short I know people who have taking the time study, flown out there spending a lot of $, and failed multiple times. So the AAE advocates board certification then failed 50% that try. Lol, so what are we doing??Why don't the programs make board certified the requirements for graduates? Pass Written and oral examination before they graduate?
Where do you draw the line for tuition? At what point does it not make sense to go down this path (especially with the BBB now)? Anyone chime in.They want to see if your "Ivyitis" is found worthy or wanting, and if worthy, allow you to commit $$ suicide to get $200 more a pop from insurance companies
Personally I don't think high tuition residencies are worth it anymore if you are taking out private loans and pursuing the profession just for money. The most common fixed rate for Sallie Mae is about 10% (and they will prob increase the rate if you are taking out a large amount). You can argue that the average federal loan rate is fairly close (probably around 8% now), but there's a lot of advantages to federal loans like IBR, longer repayment periods, PSLF options, deferment/forbearance, etc.Where do you draw the line for tuition? At what point does it not make sense to go down this path (especially with the BBB now)? Anyone chime in.
It will be worth it when you are board certified. More fulfillment in your professional journey.Board certification should be challenging because you do want to make sure those who take part possess the knowledge to help advance the profession in the right direction. However, the AAE is also kind of shooting them selves in the foot. The written is fairly standardized and straight forward. Basically you acquire the knowledge to pass the test through lit reviews during residency and some studying afterwards. The oral exam is a racket and much more difficult. They make it much harder and inconvenient than it needs to be and also VERY vague. You basically need to know everything about Endo (which is good) but then cite a source to either support or refute your answers. But bringing up authors to cite your claims during an oral exam on the spot is very challenging and takes a lot of preparation. Then they’ll also ask you absolutely obscure questions that have nothing to do with clinical Endo. You also need to prepare for the tactics of the exam as well. It’s complicated. So when you get out of residency you are starting families, practices, and focusing on your clinical growth. Then to try and add months of studying on top of that? You start to have priorities and studying for orals falls to the bottom. But if you don’t prioritize it you will not pass. Whats crazy is they have also made it easier recently but the results are similar. Long story short I know people who have taking the time study, flown out there spending a lot of $, and failed multiple times. So the AAE advocates board certification then failed 50% that try. Lol, so what are we doing??
Can I be added to this please?I am happy that I was able to help out a handful of applicants this cycle by reviewing programs, personal statements, and doing mock interviews! I was planning to spend some time before the next residency year starts to help out as many applicants as I can, so I’m planning to start a small cohort if anyone is interested. You can contact me for any questions, but I’ll probably won’t start a “workshop” to review applications and personal statements until 2026.
Personally I don't think high tuition residencies are worth it anymore if you are taking out private loans and pursuing the profession just for money. The most common fixed rate for Sallie Mae is about 10% (and they will prob increase the rate if you are taking out a large amount). You can argue that the average federal loan rate is fairly close (probably around 8% now), but there's a lot of advantages to federal loans like IBR, longer repayment periods, PSLF options, deferment/forbearance, etc.
For residency, an unshakable loan of 300k at 10% is daunting. Even if you have a 15 year term, you are still paying over $3000 a month for the next 15 years. At 10 years, it's nearly $4000
Boards pass rate is about 80% for orals and 80% for case portfolio. Both are manageable but time consuming. Some questions on orals were very random but random things come up in practice every day and you need to come up with a professional answer, even if it’s not the perfect answer. You don’t need citations for every answer to pass. Some big common citations and sound clinical decisions can get you over the threshold.Board certification should be challenging because you do want to make sure those who take part possess the knowledge to help advance the profession in the right direction. However, the AAE is also kind of shooting them selves in the foot. The written is fairly standardized and straight forward. Basically you acquire the knowledge to pass the test through lit reviews during residency and some studying afterwards. The oral exam is a racket and much more difficult. They make it much harder and inconvenient than it needs to be and also VERY vague. You basically need to know everything about Endo (which is good) but then cite a source to either support or refute your answers. But bringing up authors to cite your claims during an oral exam on the spot is very challenging and takes a lot of preparation. Then they’ll also ask you absolutely obscure questions that have nothing to do with clinical Endo. You also need to prepare for the tactics of the exam as well. It’s complicated. So when you get out of residency you are starting families, practices, and focusing on your clinical growth. Then to try and add months of studying on top of that? You start to have priorities and studying for orals falls to the bottom. But if you don’t prioritize it you will not pass. Whats crazy is they have also made it easier recently but the results are similar. Long story short I know people who have taking the time study, flown out there spending a lot of $, and failed multiple times. So the AAE advocates board certification then failed 50% that try. Lol, so what are we doing??
It happens, but not that often. Most female residents have enough on their plate and to add a newborn can really throw a wrench into things. What if you don't have a straight forward pregnancy and delivery? Are you willing to stay longer than the program time to fulfill requirements if needed? Do you have someone to watch the kid full time or have you considered the cost of this if you dont? This also put more stress on your coresidents to pick up the slack when you have to leave. As a parent of multiple kids, there is never an ideal time to have a kid, but there are definitely better times than during residency.Completely different topic—how challenging is it to have a baby during residency? Would it be frowned upon since clinic and didactics might be missed for check-ups and maternity leave (which I imagine would be short, maybe less than two weeks)? Have you seen female residents grow their families during endo training?
Got accepted and did not do an AEGD/GPRHow necessary is having an aegd? I am looking through current residents of many programs and they all seem to have an AEGD, are the rest of us out of luck?
Seems like AEGD and GPR helps, but not a requirement. Some get in without it. Depends on the PDHow necessary is having an aegd? I am looking through current residents of many programs and they all seem to have an AEGD, are the rest of us out of luck?
aim for at least 550. Most residents are above this score. Board-certified for sure. 100% pass rate on written boards. After finishing residency, case and oral ABE should be on your agenda. There are fresh grads, but grads with experience are stronger applicants. Top 1/3 of class rank at least. Should have 1-2 research works, and that would be considered your average applicant. Take advantage of your ability to extern at CWRU and show genuine interest. Join the lectures when you visit the PD, expect you to participate and actively learn.What case western looks for in candidates ?? One thing I know is good ADAT..grades and PD wants everyone to be board certified but most residents i talked to there they don’t have plan to be board certified. My information is old. I don’t know about current situation!?? I know PD produces great endodontists!
-is PD still want applicant-with experience vs couple years experience? High GPA ? Research experience?
Penn is coming up soon, but they do accept a lot of Penn students with high stats.Has anyone heard from Penn yet?
I feel like maybe upwards of 180k tuition cap, especially when the issue of private loans comes up. You'll make 350k+ as an endodontist doing a manageable number of cases. So it's worth it vs general making 180-200k starting. As you do 7-8 cases a day, you will be easily making 500k+, so remember this.Personally I don't think high tuition residencies are worth it anymore if you are taking out private loans and pursuing the profession just for money. The most common fixed rate for Sallie Mae is about 10% (and they will prob increase the rate if you are taking out a large amount). You can argue that the average federal loan rate is fairly close (probably around 8% now), but there's a lot of advantages to federal loans like IBR, longer repayment periods, PSLF options, deferment/forbearance, etc.
For residency, an unshakable loan of 300k at 10% is daunting. Even if you have a 15 year term, you are still paying over $3000 a month for the next 15 years. At 10 years, it's nearly $4000/mo.
Any advice you guys on letters of recommendations for those of us who have been out of school for a few years for obtaining meaningful letters of recommendations? Most schools require 3+dean letter correct? Ive got two locked down (old endo faculty and one local endodontist) but struggling to find a third that would be meaningful.
You advice is always appreciated and timely, thank youYou could add in general dentists who have mentored you or any colleagues who know your clinical skillset. Beyond that, look into shadowing or befriending another endodontist. Maybe there is a former Endo resident you’ve stayed in touch with.