Official Rank List Help Thread 2010-2011

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gutonc said:
Yes, sure.

I'd personally put Sinai above Columbia and Cornell simply because I loved that place, but your rank order has no real flaws in it.
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So as is? Because that wasn't my rank order, it was just a random assortment
 
Just wanted to clarify that Harbor-UCLA is not a community program and is probably the farthest thing from it. It is an academic program, county based, and has lots of research opportunities available. It is really busy and you get a lot of autonomy.
Regarding rank lists I would rank the programs you felt the most comfortable at. Regarding community programs, some you can get good experience at but you may have to take more of an initiative. I hope this helps!
 
KissMyAsthma98 said:
Help please-

Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Penn
Monte
NYU
RWJMS
Jeff
Yale


Thanks 🙂
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Columbia
MSSM
Cornell
Penn
Yale
NYU
Monte
RWJMS
Jeff

I'm from NY so I'm biased. Columbia is far and away the best school on your list. I like Sinai over Cornell (I wish I received a Sinai invite), both are great programs. Sinai is a better environment; and if you wanted GI, I would put it #1.
 
Penn = Columbia
Yale = Cornell
Sinai
NYU
The rest

Would rank Columbia higher if you're thinking cards over Penn or if you want to be in NYC.

medstudentIM said:
Columbia
MSSM
Cornell
Penn
Yale
NYU
Monte
RWJMS
Jeff

I'm from NY so I'm biased. Columbia is far and away the best school on your list. I like Sinai over Cornell (I wish I received a Sinai invite), both are great programs. Sinai is a better environment; and if you wanted GI, I would put it #1.
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KissMyAsthma98 said:
Help please-

Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Penn
Monte
NYU
RWJMS
Jeff
Yale


Thanks 🙂
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Based on the most objective data I could get (fellowship match lists):

Columbia = Cornell = UPenn (Sorry MedstudentIM, but it does not appear that Columbia is by far and away the best residency in NYC)
Sinai >/= Yale
NYU
Monte = RWJMS = Jeff
 
KissMyAsthma98 said:
Help please-

Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Penn
Monte
NYU
RWJMS
Jeff
Yale


Thanks 🙂
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Oh my. The subjective nature of these rankings will be quite evident. I think Penn is the biggest dog on that list. Penn is what Columbia thinks it is :laugh: I like it like this:

Penn
Columbia
Cornell
Yale
Sinai
NYU
Monte = Jeff
Anything in Jersey . . .
 
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Bears683 said:
I need some help with my rank list. I'm considering hospitalist but want to leave option for fellowship. I prefer Northern California, but I'm open to location. I have my top 3 in Davis, CPMC and SVMC but not sure if reputation-wise that there's much difference between them.

UC Davis
Cal Pacific
Santa Clara Valley
UCLA Olive View
Kaiser SF/Oakland/Santa Clara
Scripps Mercy
Hungtington
Loma Linda
St's Mary's SF
UCSF Fresno
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Based on what you've said . . .

Fresno next on the list (they also have in house fellowships), staying farther north, and then I think you need to head south unless you liked the Kaisers and your fellowship chances out of those programs. I'm not impressed with St Mary's at all, and I've got inside info, and I would rank them very low, unless you simply absolutely must live in SF. Otherwise, Loma Linda should be next - it's excellent clinical training with the U, the VA, and the County hospital, and all of the fellowships represented in-house with preference generally given to Loma Linda residents
 
blondemed said:
jdh71 and gutonc, can you elaborate on why you ranked UNC highly (realize this is completely subjective) ... I'm actually interviewing there next week and didn't realize it is such a well-regarded program.
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It's simply a solid, well respected University program, with great clinical training and plenty of research. Somewhat over-shadowed by Duke across the street, but I don't think they have a complex about it. They are also a very choosy and selective program from what I can tell.
 
DOMb said:
DO student here, any input would be great!! how would you rank?...interested in GI/Heme onc/hospitalist

cedars-sinai
ucla olive view
OHSU
loma linda
USC
banner goodsam arizona
scripps mercy

Thanks!!
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OHSU
USC = Loma Linda
Cedars
Olive View
Good Sam = Scripps M

OHSU is in my opinion an awesome program, so awesome, I wish I would have gone there, but I didn't, but it's still the best on that list. I know, and I've heard the arguments for cedars . . . I still like a university program for anyone trying to find GI or Heme/Onc. USC and Loma Linda are going to be fairly similar for clinical training, given that LLU rotates through Riverside County, a VA, and the University hospital. Both have in-house GI and Heme/Onc, Loma Linda GI > USC GI, but USC H/O > Loma Linda H/O.
 
jdh71 said:
OHSU
USC = Loma Linda
Cedars
Olive View
Good Sam = Scripps M

OHSU is in my opinion an awesome program, so awesome, I wish I would have gone there, but I didn't, but it's still the best on that list. I know, and I've heard the arguments for cedars . . . I still like a university program for anyone trying to find GI or Heme/Onc. USC and Loma Linda are going to be fairly similar for clinical training, given that LLU rotates through Riverside County, a VA, and the University hospital. Both have in-house GI and Heme/Onc, Loma Linda GI > USC GI, but USC H/O > Loma Linda H/O.
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I would just like to point out that, while it may appear to be the case, jdh is not sock puppeting me here.
 
1.)UMDNJ-NJMS
2.) Stony Brook
3.) AE Jacobi
4.)UCONN
5.) AE Philly
6.) Downstate
7.) NHYQ
8.) NYMC richmond
9.) NYM
10.) Staten Island UH

Thinking about leaving number 10 off, DO student here, Interested in cards
 
Juggernuts said:
1.)UMDNJ-NJMS
2.) Stony Brook
3.) AE Jacobi
4.)UCONN
5.) AE Philly
6.) Downstate
7.) NHYQ
8.) NYMC richmond
9.) NYM
10.) Staten Island UH

Thinking about leaving number 10 off, DO student here, Interested in cards
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If you are interested in Cards rank the University programs as high as possible. I would put Downstate higher up on the list (they rank mostly in house, but it's pretty solid).

Stonybrook
NJMS
Downstate
etc

Good luck
 
Juggernuts said:
1.)UMDNJ-NJMS
2.) Stony Brook
3.) AE Jacobi
4.)UCONN
5.) AE Philly
6.) Downstate
7.) NHYQ
8.) NYMC richmond
9.) NYM
10.) Staten Island UH

Thinking about leaving number 10 off, DO student here, Interested in cards
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I would move Downstate up a rank or two (they give out a lot of internal cards spots if you're will to be their Chief b***h for a year), maybe put Stony Brook first (or not...judgement call there) and definitely leave SIUH off the list (consider doing the same with NYM if that's Methodist in Brooklyn you're talking about).

SIUH is a total crap-hole with no redeeming qualities.
 
Long time reader, but I don't post much. I think I am interested in being a hospitalist and academic medicine, but I want to go to a place where I have options for fellowship placement. What do you guys think?

UTSW
UCSD
Stanford
WashU
Tufts
Boston University
Cornell
Colorado
Penn
OHSU (yet to interview there yet)
 
DO, interest in PULM/CC trying to rank between the following:

UMDNJ-NJMS
UCONN
WVU
Penn State
UK
MetroHealth-Case Western Reserve


Thanks!
 
glebb said:
Long time reader, but I don't post much. I think I am interested in being a hospitalist and academic medicine, but I want to go to a place where I have options for fellowship placement. What do you guys think?

UTSW
UCSD
Stanford
WashU
Tufts
Boston University
Cornell
Colorado
Penn
OHSU (yet to interview there yet)
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Great list, dude. Almost all of these programs will accomplish your goals.

Penn
Wash U
Cornell = Stanford (both great for academics, Stanford training more cush)
UTSW (training there cannot be denied...)
OHSU = UCSD (very solid west coast programs)
BU = Colorado (very different programs, excellent reputations but a little weaker than the ones above)
Tufts
 
medschoolplease said:
DO, interest in PULM/CC trying to rank between the following:

UMDNJ-NJMS
UCONN
WVU
Penn State
UK
MetroHealth-Case Western Reserve


Thanks!
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Don't know a ton about the pulm programs...apologies. For general reputation, though -

Penn State
Metrohealth = NJMS = UConn
UK
WVU
 
JDH, why all the love for USC all of a sudden?? In previous years the place didn't get much love on the interview trail, and I'm just wary of the place, but that's me...

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On the ranking bit, though, I have to disagree with JDH here. While I concur that OHSU is number one (and that, generally, university programs > community), Cedars represents an interesting exception.

The program is SUPER cush at Cedars (prob not at the VA) but the housestaff, from what I hear from friends there, are insanely happy and feel like the training is solid. (I've worked with two fellows at my program who are Cedars alum - one nephro, the other GI - and both are super solid.) Attendings are all UCLA faculty and teaching tends to be good - the only worry I'd have is whether the place is fellow-dominant. (Didn't interview there, so not sure).

Fellowship wise, Cedars and OHSU's lists are comparable for GI, cards and heme/onc, although I'll let gutonc weigh in for OHSU (and I know OHSU's list is influenced by the fact that people tend not to want to leave Portland... although the same is true of LA). Cedars seems to have more of a national spread; OHSU's list seems more West Coast heavy.

Cedars:

GI:
'09: BU, Cedars, Temple, Loma Linda x2
'08: Yale, Rochester, Stony Brook, Kaiser LA, Mayo AZ
'07: Michigan, Cedarsx2, UCD, Loma Linda
'06: Cedarsx3, VCU, UNM, UC Irvine
'05: U. Chicago, Cedarsx2, Kaiser, UNM
'04: none

H/O:
'09: UCLA
'08: none
'07: UCLA, UCSD, Cedars
'06: Cedarsx2
'05: Cedars, Harbor
'04: none

Cards:
'09: MSSM, Yale, OHSU, USC, UConn, Scripps, Cedars
'08: UCLA, Cedarsx3, Harbor-UCLA
'07: Cedars, Kaiser LA
'06: Cedarsx2, CPMC
'05: Cedars
'04: Cedarsx2

OHSU:

GI:
'11: UNM
'10: OHSU, Rochester, Utah
'09: UCI, SLU
'08: OHSU
'07: OHSU, Georgetown
'06: OHSUx2

H/O:
'11: OHSU
'10: OHSUx3
'09: OHSU, Maryland
'08: OHSUx4
'07: OHSU
'06: none

Cards:
'11: UW, OHSUx2, Iowa
'10: none
'09: UVA, UNM
'08: OHSUx3, Vandy
'07: OHSUx2
'06: OHSU, Utah

Cards: OHSU >/= Cedars
H/O: OHSU >/= Cedars
GI: Cedars > OHSU

Would consider strongly WHERE you want to end up geographically as you debate one and two. Reputation-wise, I'd do as follows:

OHSU* (would rank one if you're leaning more H/O)
Cedars* (would rank this one if GI is for sure your thing)
USC
the rest

jdh71 said:
OHSU
USC = Loma Linda
Cedars
Olive View
Good Sam = Scripps M

OHSU is in my opinion an awesome program, so awesome, I wish I would have gone there, but I didn't, but it's still the best on that list. I know, and I've heard the arguments for cedars . . . I still like a university program for anyone trying to find GI or Heme/Onc. USC and Loma Linda are going to be fairly similar for clinical training, given that LLU rotates through Riverside County, a VA, and the University hospital. Both have in-house GI and Heme/Onc, Loma Linda GI > USC GI, but USC H/O > Loma Linda H/O.
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Posting one more rank list by an anon . . .

1) uc irvine
2) usc
3) st luke's roosevelt
4) ut houston
5) umdnj-rwj
6) ae beth israel
7) hofstra northshore LIJ
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I'm not as well versed with some of these lesser known east coast programs, but I think

Irvine
USC
UT-Houston

probably sits at the top
 
glebb said:
Long time reader, but I don't post much. I think I am interested in being a hospitalist and academic medicine, but I want to go to a place where I have options for fellowship placement. What do you guys think?

UTSW
UCSD
Stanford
WashU
Tufts
Boston University
Cornell
Colorado
Penn
OHSU (yet to interview there yet)
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Another solid list. Probably . . .

Penn
WashU
Stanford
Cornell = UTSW
UCSD = OHSU
Colorado
Tufts = BU
 
gold&black2005 said:
JDH, why all the love for USC all of a sudden?? In previous years the place didn't get much love on the interview trail, and I'm just wary of the place, but that's me...
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I think they are on their way back up is all. I have a lot of respect for the clinical training which I think makes for better fellows. "Cush" is not a positive quality in a residency, probably worse than "malignant" in some ways.

Cedars H/O placed a little better than I expected but I'm not super impressed by their GI matches. It's not like they sent anyone to Penn.

We've already established the subjective nature of many of these "ranking" exercises, and when someone "ranks" one program above another based on their own intuitive criteria, no one is necessarily saying that the programs below it are "bad", unless specially stated otherwise . . .
 
jdh71 said:
Another solid list. Probably . . .

Penn
WashU
Stanford
Cornell = UTSW
UCSD = OHSU
Colorado
Tufts = BU
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i have no idea where to rank stanford versus cornell (such different programs, i know!) - i see you put stanford over cornell here, could you please explain why? thanks!
 
sintheta said:
i have no idea where to rank stanford versus cornell (such different programs, i know!) - i see you put stanford over cornell here, could you please explain why? thanks!
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I simply like them better . . . think Cornell is a little overrated, plus I'm a fan of Stanford's critical care, their much stronger research base, and I'd much rather live in Palo Alto than New York any day of the week. I mean dollars to doughnuts at this stage of the game does sending an application from a Cornell really lose to one from a Stanford? Probably not much, if any, really . . . and it again underlines the subjective nature of these ranking exercises especially for the top of the game academic programs.
 
OP, let us know what you're interested in clinically/otherwise - that will help to differentiate these programs. Both are fantastic programs (and as jdh rightly mentions, everyone's subjective lists are different).

One obvious differentiator was rigor when I compared these two programs last year. Cornell's intern year seemed notably more intense than Stanford's, potentially to the detriment of Cardinal interns - at Stanford, you don't touch the ICU at Stanford until second year, as an example, and when I asked about that many in the program seemed to think that interns weren't ready for that experience. That wasn't the case at other West Coast programs I saw (UW, UCLA) or in the East/Midwest and it was a little stunning.

Stanford does have an incredibly strong research base, although Cornell - with MSKCC and Rockerfeller next door - can't be overlooked either.

jdh71 said:
I simply like them better . . . think Cornell is a little overrated, plus I'm a fan of Stanford's critical care, their much stronger research base, and I'd much rather live in Palo Alto than New York any day of the week. I mean dollars to doughnuts at this stage of the game does sending an application from a Cornell really lose to one from a Stanford? Probably not much, if any, really . . . and it again underlines the subjective nature of these ranking exercises especially for the top of the game academic programs.
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gold&black2005 said:
OP, let us know what you're interested in clinically/otherwise - that will help to differentiate these programs. Both are fantastic programs (and as jdh rightly mentions, everyone's subjective lists are different).

One obvious differentiator was rigor when I compared these two programs last year. Cornell's intern year seemed notably more intense than Stanford's, potentially to the detriment of Cardinal interns - at Stanford, you don't touch the ICU at Stanford until second year, as an example, and when I asked about that many in the program seemed to think that interns weren't ready for that experience. That wasn't the case at other West Coast programs I saw (UW, UCLA) or in the East/Midwest and it was a little stunning.

Stanford does have an incredibly strong research base, although Cornell - with MSKCC and Rockerfeller next door - can't be overlooked either.
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I am looking to move to a bigger city (currently I live in a small Texas town) and leave Texas. At first, I thought I wanted to do residency in NYC, but I was really impressed by the residents at Stanford and the program at Penn. I can see myself pursuing fellowship in Pulm/CC or Heme/Onc, but I am definitely not one of those people who knows what they want to do. Also, I want to get excellent training (UTSW impressed me in that respect), while at the same time having somewhat of a life.
 
Awesome, thank you very much for all of your input! keep them coming! I will be interviewing at OHSU next week and will hopefully have a better idea 🙂 Thanks again!!
 
Hey guys, I just joined and was hoping to get some help with my list as well. let me know if you need more info. I'm applying for IM and interested in Cardio:

UMDNJ-New Jersey Medschool (Newark)
Drexel-Hahnemann
SUNY Downstate
Penn State
Winthrop University Hospital
New York Hosp. of Queens-Cornell

can't decide between UMDNJ and Drexel. Drexel has a pretty great match list and I like Philly and I liked the new PD at Newark and the program as well. I'm not sure which has a better reputation bc I understand that both programs have changed a lot in the last few years.
 
Interested in GI, maybe primary care. Geography is not an issue. I'm just looking for solid training and a place that will set me up for a fellowship spot if I put the work in. Any stand out as better or worse to you? These are all programs I really liked on IV day.

In no particular order:

University of Michigan
University of Minnesota
University of Wisconsin
UC-Davis
University of Rochester
Yale-PC
 
IMFREE said:
Interested in GI, maybe primary care. Geography is not an issue. I'm just looking for solid training and a place that will set me up for a fellowship spot if I put the work in. Any stand out as better or worse to you? These are all programs I really liked on IV day.

In no particular order:

University of Michigan
University of Minnesota
University of Wisconsin
UC-Davis
University of Rochester
Yale-PC
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Mich
Wisconsin
Minn
Davis = Rochester = Yale pc
 
jdh71 said:
Mich
Wisconsin
Minn
Davis = Rochester = Yale pc
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Michigan #1 far and away.
Wisconsin = Yale PC (Yale's dirty little secret...for those that come out doing fellowship the match is surprisingly good.)
Minn = UCD
Rochester
 
Hi, I'm interested in ID. Any help would be great 🙂

GW
Maryland
Miami
Tulane
UNC
UT Houston
UTSW
Wake Forest
Vandy
 
Bears683 said:
I need some help with my rank list. I'm considering hospitalist but want to leave option for fellowship. I prefer Northern California, but I'm open to location. I have my top 3 in Davis, CPMC and SVMC but not sure if reputation-wise that there's much difference between them.

UC Davis
Cal Pacific
Santa Clara Valley
UCLA Olive View
Kaiser SF/Oakland/Santa Clara
Scripps Mercy
Hungtington
Loma Linda
St's Mary's SF
UCSF Fresno
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I would rank academic programs higher than county programs if you want a competitive fellowship or want that option.

UCD
LL
Scripps
CPMC
UCLA-Olive View
Kaiser
UCSF Fresno
Santa Clara
St Mary's, Huntington
 
lordjesus said:
I would rank academic programs higher than county programs if you want a competitive fellowship or want that option.

UCD
LL
Scripps
CPMC
UCLA-Olive View
Kaiser
UCSF Fresno
Santa Clara
St Mary's, Huntington
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That's because you don't really know much about these places. But that's OK, you're new at this.

CPMC is one of the top community programs in the country, you'll do yourself no dis-service by going there (assuming you're not fixated on doing Cards @ Duke or Hem-Onc @ Farber, etc.). It's better than all the programs on that list except perhaps Davis. SCVMC ranks pretty highly as well. Also, Scripps-Mercy <<< Scripps-Green.

Tier-wise I'd go like this:
UCD
CPMC
---------
Santa Clara
LL
UCLA-Olive View
---------
Scripps
Kaiser
UCSF Fresno
---------
St Mary's, Huntington
 
heathen said:
Hey all, not sure what I want to do later. But, right now I'm probably 70% Heme-Onc, 15% Gen IM and 15% GI. How would you rank the following places in terms of getting a H/O fellowship, location and malignancy. Thanks as always 🙂

University of Virginia
Wake Forest
UAB
Emory
Oregon Health
Washington University
BU
Tufts
Baylor
UT Southwestern
UNC
Thomas Jefferson
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By tiers...

UAB
Washington University
UTSW
UNC
Emory
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Oregon Health
Wake Forest
UVA
Baylor
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Thomas Jefferson
BU
Tufts
 
I'd love input as well! Thinking GI (luminal), but not sure. Just the top few I'm considering (no particular order, really):

Columbia
Sinai
BIDMC
Northwestern
UW

A few concerns I have are that UW might be geographically constraining for fellowship (on the other hand, seems likely I could stay...) or that Columbia might be a bit too stiff (attitude-wise) for me. Obviously location is a big factor, but for simplicity, let's assume I'm neutral on that.

Thanks!
 
KRichards62 said:
By tiers...

UAB
Washington University
UTSW
UNC
Emory
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Oregon Health
Wake Forest
UVA
Baylor
----------------------
Thomas Jefferson
BU
Tufts
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In terms of the academic programs in the SE, I would put UVa alongside UNC, UAB and Emory. Very impressive training with solid fellowship matches.
 
afterthought said:
I'd love input as well! Thinking GI (luminal), but not sure. Just the top few I'm considering (no particular order, really):

Columbia
Sinai
BIDMC
Northwestern
UW

A few concerns I have are that UW might be geographically constraining for fellowship (on the other hand, seems likely I could stay...) or that Columbia might be a bit too stiff (attitude-wise) for me. Obviously location is a big factor, but for simplicity, let's assume I'm neutral on that.

Thanks!
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UW = Columbia
BIDMC
NWern = Sinai
 
Agree - UVA's fellowship match list in h/o is particularly strong when compared to unc and emory...

Would also move BU into the middle tier.

heathen said:
In terms of the academic programs in the SE, I would put UVa alongside UNC, UAB and Emory. Very impressive training with solid fellowship matches.
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Agree with JDH generally but if you're fairly committed to GI would argue that Sinai should be at least number three if not higher, as the GI resources available there are impressive. BI's GI is also strong but sinai seems to place better...

jdh71 said:
UW = Columbia
BIDMC
NWern = Sinai
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afterthought said:
I'd love input as well! Thinking GI (luminal), but not sure. Just the top few I'm considering (no particular order, really):

Columbia
Sinai
BIDMC
Northwestern
UW

A few concerns I have are that UW might be geographically constraining for fellowship (on the other hand, seems likely I could stay...) or that Columbia might be a bit too stiff (attitude-wise) for me. Obviously location is a big factor, but for simplicity, let's assume I'm neutral on that.

Thanks!
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Having interviewed at all except Sinai, this is my take:

1. Columbia
2. Northwestern = BIDMC
3. UW
4. Sinai
 
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