Official Rank List Help Thread 2010-2011

[Gastroparesis]

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Definitely can't comment on USC, but personally would take Yale over Montefiore or Downstate. Yale's program leadership is outstanding and seems to do well in connecting students with mentors in their areas of interest.

Just wondering how difficult it would be to obtain GI fellowship coming from a Primary Care program.

 

[jdh71]

Interested in GI

have my top two in place, but wondering about the following:

Montefiore
SUNY-Downstate
Yale-Primary Care (really liked this program)
USC-Keck (this program seemed huge 50something interns)

Yale is easily the better program on this list.

Next decide wether you like LA or NYC better 😀

 

[jdh71]

Just wondering how difficult it would be to obtain GI fellowship coming from a Primary Care program.

It's not more difficult. Just the same difficult 😀

I don't think coming from a Primary Care program hurts you at all

 

[Gastroparesis]

It's not more difficult. Just the same difficult 😀

I don't think coming from a Primary Care program hurts you at all

Thanks. From ny, but was also considering LA. Other than the weather, LA just seemed like a horrible place to get around in by automobile.

 

[jdh71]

LA just seemed like a horrible place to get around in by automobile.

It's not really that bad

 

[HarryGary]

Actually MSSM = Wisconsin. But if you didn't interview at both, that wouldn't be obvious.

Just cause we're throwing this around, here's Wisconsin's fellowship match compared to MSSM's for cards and GI.

Wisconsin:
2010
Cards – Wisconsin x 2
GI -- Wisconsin x2

2009
Cards - Wisconsin, Wash U, Medical College of Wisconsin
GI -- Wisconsin

2008
Cards – Henry Ford, Illinois Masonic Medical Center, U. Cincinatti x 2, U.Illinois- Chicago, Wisconsin, Wash U
GI – Wisconsin x 2

2007
Cards – University of Nebraska, Wash U, Wisconsin
GI - Henry Ford, Wisconsin x3, Aurora Sina

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MSSM:
2010
Cards – NYU, BID, BI, George Washington, MSSM, Mt Sinai urban, Georgetown
GI – Temple, Montefiore, Cornell, MSSM x2, Stonybrook

2009
Cards – Mt Sinai urban x 2, NYUx2, Columbia, MSSM, BID
GI – MSSMx3, Johns Hopkins x 2

2008
Cards – Drexel, Pitt, Georgetown
GI – UMDNJ, UCSD, BI, Cornell, UCSD, Brown, MSSMx2, Montefiore, NY medical college

 

[Neuro or Derm]

It's Rochester MN my friend.

I usually toss "the world famous" in with the top 20 programs, they are easily a top 5-10 training site for all subspecialties.

I think it takes the dog in the shorts a little because of it's location. Which for a guy like me who grew up in a small town in the plain states isn't such a big deal, but if you need a lot "urban" around you (perhaps do not like the sight of cows?) then you may not want to live in Rochester for 3 or more years, especially as cold as it gets there (plug in your car so it starts in the morning cold). Though . . . Mayo is an amazing place and if you interview there it is hard not to kind of fall in love with the Clinic.

Thanks! I do agree that the location isn't the best. I'm not really into big cities so that's not a big deal for me, but the cold is scary. I really liked it when I went there so I'm weighing the cold vs how much I liked it 🙄. Sorry if I sound dumb but what do you mean by "plug in your car so it starts in the morning"? are you referring to hybrids?

 

[jdh71]

Wisconsin is a smaller program. The matches are excellent.

Plus I don't know why we seem to insist on cards and GI as a measuring stick, especially when allergy is the most competitive and what's really important is wether a program places it's residents where they want to be regardless of what they choose to do.

Just cause we're throwing this around, here's Wisconsin's fellowship match compared to MSSM's for cards and GI.

Wisconsin:
2010
Cards – Wisconsin x 2
GI -- Wisconsin x2

2009
Cards - Wisconsin, Wash U, Medical College of Wisconsin
GI -- Wisconsin

2008
Cards – Henry Ford, Illinois Masonic Medical Center, U. Cincinatti x 2, U.Illinois- Chicago, Wisconsin, Wash U
GI – Wisconsin x 2

2007
Cards – University of Nebraska, Wash U, Wisconsin
GI - Henry Ford, Wisconsin x3, Aurora Sina

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MSSM:
2010
Cards – NYU, BID, BI, George Washington, MSSM, Mt Sinai urban, Georgetown
GI – Temple, Montefiore, Cornell, MSSM x2, Stonybrook

2009
Cards – Mt Sinai urban x 2, NYUx2, Columbia, MSSM, BID
GI – MSSMx3, Johns Hopkins x 2

2008
Cards – Drexel, Pitt, Georgetown
GI – UMDNJ, UCSD, BI, Cornell, UCSD, Brown, MSSMx2, Montefiore, NY medical college

 

[jdh71]

Sorry if I sound dumb but what do you mean by "plug in your car so it starts in the morning"? are you referring to hybrids?

You don't sound dumb. Sometimes it gets so cold the father north you go that you need to plug in your car to keep the engine block warm enough so that it turns over in the morning. This is more of a problem for diesels than other engines, but sometimes . . .

 

[Rumit]

Glad this thread is still going strong. Thanks to gutonc and others for their perspectives on my list earlier in the thread (page 1). I'm starting to make general groupings for programs I plan to rank, though I still need to settle on ordering #1-3 in particular. Have started to get really nice-sounding messages from some PDs at programs I like, though I'm trying to ignore these when making a list.

UCSF=MGH=BWH
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Columbia
Cornell (much better than I expected)
BIDMC (much better than I expected)
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UPenn
JHH-Osler (really turned me off)
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Sinai
Yale
NYU

Just curious, what turned you off about JHH?

 

[nickster]

I'm curious to hear from vrg525 but I can say JHH was the most boring interview I have been on. They just seemed to be like robots and didn't care at all, boring, boring, boring. I ruled them out half way through the day. I agree with vrg525's top 3, well almost. I interview at UCSF next week but I was very impressed with both MGH and BWH and I'm expecting UCSF to be the same great program.

 

[kafkaontheshore]

I'm curious to hear from vrg525 but I can say JHH was the most boring interview I have been on. They just seemed to be like robots and didn't care at all, boring, boring, boring. I ruled them out half way through the day. I agree with vrg525's top 3, well almost. I interview at UCSF next week but I was very impressed with both MGH and BWH and I'm expecting UCSF to be the same great program.

is it just me or are most interview days incredibly boring?

blah blah we are a highly collegial institution with a tradition of mentorship blah blah our hospitals see diverse pathology and allow resident autonomy blah blah we have numerous, easily accesible research opportunities blah blah blah our fellowship match is outstanding etc. etc. now let's go on a irrelevant hospital tour!

i mean does anything reveal medicine's origins as a field dominated by conservative, old men than the staid interview day newspeak that we are subjected to every tuesday and friday through december and january?

it's amazing to me that during the most exciting time in medicine ever, when programs should be at least trying to get us fired up about creatively tackling such enormous challenges in health care delivery, drug development, public health etc., that we have to hear such inane, reductive rhetoric so frequently.

Am I crazy or is anyone else a little annoyed that no one seems to be speaking the language of inspiration?

Eh, yeah I probably am crazy 🙂 end rant.

 

[vrq525]

I'm curious to hear from vrg525 but I can say JHH was the most boring interview I have been on. They just seemed to be like robots and didn't care at all, boring, boring, boring. I ruled them out half way through the day. I agree with vrg525's top 3, well almost. I interview at UCSF next week but I was very impressed with both MGH and BWH and I'm expecting UCSF to be the same great program.

Before I start, I'll make the obvious disclaimer that Hopkins has one of the top departments of medicine in the country (if not #1), that the Osler is outstanding, produces outstanding docs, etc...

I was turned off by a number of things, including the Osler firm/ACS system (though I know others LOVE this) and the attitudes of the housestaff. Their planning for next year was not as well developed as other institutions (though I know there's some uncertainty everywhere) and was presented with contempt toward expanding non-teaching services and rife with threats to remove elective time from seniors. Some housestaff gave me the "robot" attitude to which you refer, others took pride in their constant work hour violations, others appeared sad and run down, and a few others presented a sense of happiness that didn't appear as authentic as other places. Some of the "lifers" on the Hopkins faculty gave me the same feeling. After the housestaff dinner, I had a sinking feeling about the place. In addition, I spent some extra time in Baltimore and didn't care for it, particularly as a BGLT individual (hence a Boston/SF/NYC bias). Also, some programs were simply more inspiring with interviewers able to discuss exciting opportunities in my areas of interest, as well as with presentations from program leadership.

 

[jessicatMD]

Hello - like everyone else, I would appreciate and need help with my rank list, especially with the beginning 8 or so programs I've listed (based on assurance statistics). I'm interested in Cardio. I also would like a program with a Chinese or Japanese community not too too far away. gutonc and jdh71 seem especially knowledgeable, and if anyone else can also give their advice, I'd really appreciate it. thanks.

- Duke
- UCLA
- Yale Trad
- Yale PC
- U Chicago
- Northwestern
- UT Southwestern
- WashingtonU (seattle)
- WashingtonU (st. louis)
- Mayo Rochester
- Hopkins Osler
- Hopkins Bayview

 

[HarryGary]

Wisconsin is a smaller program. The matches are excellent.

Plus I don't know why we seem to insist on cards and GI as a measuring stick, especially when allergy is the most competitive and what's really important is wether a program places it's residents where they want to be regardless of what they choose to do.

Placement for cards and GI is one dimension among many that we can use to compare programs, and I agree, it's not the complete picture.

That said, when people say these two programs are equivalent, it's pretty clear that within this dimension, graduates of these programs go different routes. A lot of this is probably regional, while some may reflect a program's reputation with fellowship directors at other institutions (Wisconsin seems to have a great relationship with Wash U for cards, for example). Regardless, as insightful and helpful as a lot of the opinions are on this board, sometimes it's good to just show objective info to provide some context.

Were I applying a second time around, I'd be sure to add Wisconsin to the list. 😀

 

[HarryGary]

Hello - like everyone else, I would appreciate and need help with my rank list, especially with the beginning 8 or so programs I've listed (based on assurance statistics). I'm interested in Cardio. I also would like a program with a Chinese or Japanese community not too too far away. gutonc and jdh71 seem especially knowledgeable, and if anyone else can also give their advice, I'd really appreciate it. thanks.

- Duke
- UCLA
- Yale Trad
- Yale PC
- U Chicago
- Northwestern
- UT Southwestern
- WashingtonU (seattle)
- WashingtonU (st. louis)
- Mayo Rochester
- Hopkins Osler
- Hopkins Bayview

All of these programs are great. You'll be able to walk into a cards fellowship from any of these.

 

[gold&black2005]

First off, fantastic list. You'll be well-placed from Cards from all of these programs.

The programs with a strong Chinese/Japanese community within a 1-hr location:

UW (duh)
UCLA
Yale/Yale PC (via NYC...a train ride in but doable)
U of C
NW
JHH/Bayview (via DC...also a train ride in but doable, mainly a Chinese community though)
(caveat: does Dallas have a community?)

That being said, and taking into account the location aspect...I'd rank as follows. The line delineates where I could no longer justify ranking programs based on location + quality (due to the overwhelming quality of the great programs that remained on your list).

JHH/Osler (hard not to rank this #1, esp. with your cards desires)
UW = UCLA (ranked higher strictly due to better japanese opps available in the city; higher frequency of local matches w/ both)
Yale = UofC (excellent cards prospects from both w/ the possibility of going to a superb cards program very solid; more national lists than UCLA/UW)
4. NWU (pretty decent cards match)
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Duke
WashU
Mayo Rochester = UTSW
Yale PC = Hopkins Bayview (take your pick, both PC programs that give you the chance to get to a solid cards fellowship if you play your cards right)

Hello - like everyone else, I would appreciate and need help with my rank list, especially with the beginning 8 or so programs I've listed (based on assurance statistics). I'm interested in Cardio. I also would like a program with a Chinese or Japanese community not too too far away. gutonc and jdh71 seem especially knowledgeable, and if anyone else can also give their advice, I'd really appreciate it. thanks.

- Duke
- UCLA
- Yale Trad
- Yale PC
- U Chicago
- Northwestern
- UT Southwestern
- WashingtonU (seattle)
- WashingtonU (st. louis)
- Mayo Rochester
- Hopkins Osler
- Hopkins Bayview

 

[jdh71]

Hello - like everyone else, I would appreciate and need help with my rank list, especially with the beginning 8 or so programs I've listed (based on assurance statistics). I'm interested in Cardio. I also would like a program with a Chinese or Japanese community not too too far away. gutonc and jdh71 seem especially knowledgeable, and if anyone else can also give their advice, I'd really appreciate it. thanks.

- Duke
- UCLA
- Yale Trad
- Yale PC
- U Chicago
- Northwestern
- UT Southwestern
- WashingtonU (seattle)
- WashingtonU (st. louis)
- Mayo Rochester
- Hopkins Osler
- Hopkins Bayview

I think your biggest Chinese/Japanese populations will be in Seattle and LA, so if that's really very important than I'd stick those two at the top of your list, and both would be fine places from which to find a cards spot, UDub probably carries the bigger academic name, but not by much over UCLA.

As has already been said, you have an excellent list, I'm not convinced you are at much of a disadvantage coming from any of them for cards in general . . . although if you're interested in more of a bigger name academic cards spot (ie. if you're interested in research, teaching, and an academic career), then I'd put real Hopkins, Duke, Wash U, and U of Chicago next on your list. SWern, Yale Trad, and Mayo next (now Mayo does have arguably a top 5 cards fellowship program, but Rochester is about as "white bread" as it gets, and I think you can easily be competitive for a spot there from the top of your list). Yale PC, NWern, and Bayview last in some order.

Good luck.

 

[swaggerlikeus]

I'd like to join in the fun too. I'm big on research and interested in infectious disease. I want to be at an academic institution. I know a lot of the programs I'm going to list have already been discussed but my issue is that I absolutely loved Tulane's program. The program director was amazing. I love the innovative curriculum and interesting way they do things. I want a program with a public hospital, and I want to serve an underserved community. I love New Orleans too. My issue is that its not that prestigious and may not have as many research opportunities as other places I'm considering. Would I be insane to rank Tulane above MGH/Columbia etc, based on a gut feeling that I really I loved the program?

My list (in no particular order)

Tulane
MGH
Columbia
Yale trad
Emory
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Mt.Sinai
NYU
Hopkins-bayview
Vandy

 

[kafkaontheshore]

I'd like to join in the fun too. I'm big on research and interested in infectious disease. I want to be at an academic institution. I know a lot of the programs I'm going to list have already been discussed but my issue is that I absolutely loved Tulane's program. The program director was amazing. I love the innovative curriculum and interesting way they do things. I want a program with a public hospital, and I want to serve an underserved community. I love New Orleans too. My issue is that its not that prestigious and may not have as many research opportunities as other places I'm considering. Would I be insane to rank Tulane above MGH/Columbia etc, based on a gut feeling that I really I loved the program?

My list (in no particular order)

Tulane
MGH
Columbia
Yale trad
Emory
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Mt.Sinai
NYU
Hopkins-bayview
Vandy

I would be very interested in hearing the answer to this question as well, cause I think I'm gonna have the same dilemma. Tulane seems to be one of the few programs that has a innovative, far-reaching vision beyond the banal details. I'm trying to build up the cojones to rank them above some of the heavy-hitters 🙂

 

[jdh71]

I'd like to join in the fun too. I'm big on research and interested in infectious disease. I want to be at an academic institution. I know a lot of the programs I'm going to list have already been discussed but my issue is that I absolutely loved Tulane's program. The program director was amazing. I love the innovative curriculum and interesting way they do things. I want a program with a public hospital, and I want to serve an underserved community. I love New Orleans too. My issue is that its not that prestigious and may not have as many research opportunities as other places I'm considering. Would I be insane to rank Tulane above MGH/Columbia etc, based on a gut feeling that I really I loved the program?

My list (in no particular order)

Tulane
MGH
Columbia
Yale trad
Emory
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Mt.Sinai
NYU
Hopkins-bayview
Vandy

I would be very interested in hearing the answer to this question as well, cause I think I'm gonna have the same dilemma. Tulane seems to be one of the few programs that has a innovative, far-reaching vision beyond the banal details. I'm trying to build up the cojones to rank them above some of the heavy-hitters 🙂

Answering this makes me happy, because I don't have to put together some academic prestige rank list, and get to tell you the straight **** . . . go with your gut 1000%. I know I did and I've been very happy. Matched to a great fellowship, which was my number one, and altogether have had a very positive and pleasant residency experience taken as a whole.

I think the biggest name on my rank list ended up being 4.

 

[SmoothNC]

I can tell you that Wisconsin's fellowship match list off the website which you list here is VERY incomplete. They actually matched 8/8 to GI this year, 7 got first choice and to places like Michigan and Duke. Overall the match list is very impressive.

Just cause we're throwing this around, here's Wisconsin's fellowship match compared to MSSM's for cards and GI.

Wisconsin:
2010
Cards – Wisconsin x 2
GI -- Wisconsin x2

2009
Cards - Wisconsin, Wash U, Medical College of Wisconsin
GI -- Wisconsin

2008
Cards – Henry Ford, Illinois Masonic Medical Center, U. Cincinatti x 2, U.Illinois- Chicago, Wisconsin, Wash U
GI – Wisconsin x 2

2007
Cards – University of Nebraska, Wash U, Wisconsin
GI - Henry Ford, Wisconsin x3, Aurora Sina

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MSSM:
2010
Cards – NYU, BID, BI, George Washington, MSSM, Mt Sinai urban, Georgetown
GI – Temple, Montefiore, Cornell, MSSM x2, Stonybrook

2009
Cards – Mt Sinai urban x 2, NYUx2, Columbia, MSSM, BID
GI – MSSMx3, Johns Hopkins x 2

2008
Cards – Drexel, Pitt, Georgetown
GI – UMDNJ, UCSD, BI, Cornell, UCSD, Brown, MSSMx2, Montefiore, NY medical college

 

[gutonc]

Answering this makes me happy, because I don't have to put together some academic prestige rank list, and get to tell you the straight **** . . . go with your gut 1000%. I know I did and I've been very happy. Matched to a great fellowship, which was my number one, and altogether have had a very positive and pleasant residency experience taken as a whole.

I think the biggest name on my rank list ended up being 4.

I almost completely agree with jdh on this one. I too went with my gut and was/am very happy with my choice. I too placed "better" programs (including several on your list) lower than my "top gut" choice.

I will only add the caveat that Tulane is something of a special case. It's not like it's a program that has had a bad reputation in the past and is now getting its act together (see USC). It was a well-respected program with excellent training that was completely destroyed by Katrina. It's clearly on its way back (and everybody seems to love the PD which goes a very long way in this game) but it's not there yet and nobody can say where it will go. It's not just in transition, it's in resurrection.

That said, if you loved the place and can't imaging yourself anywhere else, go there. You'll get excellent training and likely have no problem getting a good fellowship spot.

 

[sara223344]

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[brujerizmo]

Hi guys, I wanna do pulm/CC and am trying to decided between USC, UCSD, and Cedars as my top 3. I'm well aware of UCSD's program and its Pulm/CC, however my issue is I liked LA better as it is much more diverse than SD, and that's important for me.
Between USC and Cedars I'm having a hard time deciding. Love the area around Cedars for living, concerned about its patient diversity/volume and prospects for fellowship/jobs coming from a community program.
USC clearly has enough patients, reformed from its worse days, but lowest paying pgy1 i've seen (42k ?! and in LA too).

Thoughts?

Of the 3 programs, UCSD is by far the best program you can get into for diversity/volume and prospects for fellowships/jobs. Then there is a big dip between that and Cedars/USC. Between Cedars and USC, it depends what you really want. The rent around cedars is about 1600-2000 for a one bedroom apt. The rent around downtown la or even los feliz or other places in LA are significantly less. So the pay is pretty much moot.

At cedars, you will deal with a lot of private patients in the ICU and I dont know if you will get a good experience dealing with private pts having your hands tied vs USC where you are basically making all the decisions. Yes, at Cedars, you will have more time on your hands, but I do have to say, you will be a less competent physician. Fellowship/Job options are pretty much the same.

 

[docarock]

Hey Everyone. Long time reader, first time poster. Any help is much appreciated. I'm interested in Cardiology but don't necessarily have to go to a big Cards Factory. I'm from the SE but definitely ok with moving anywhere on this list.

Cornell
BIDMC
Duke
JHU
Northwestern
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
UNC
UofC

Specifically, I'm having trouble placing JHU, BIDMC, and UCSF in the top 3 since my "gut feeling" (whatever that is) was the best there. I'm up for suggestions though. Thanks!

 

[sara223344]

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[jdh71]

Hi guys, I wanna do pulm/CC and am trying to decided between USC, UCSD, and Cedars as my top 3. I'm well aware of UCSD's program and its Pulm/CC, however my issue is I liked LA better as it is much more diverse than SD, and that's important for me.
Between USC and Cedars I'm having a hard time deciding. Love the area around Cedars for living, concerned about its patient diversity/volume and prospects for fellowship/jobs coming from a community program.
USC clearly has enough patients, reformed from its worse days, but lowest paying pgy1 i've seen (42k ?! and in LA too).

Thoughts?

I disagree that UCSD will have more diversity than LA County, but if the point is that you have good amount of diversity without being overwhelmed then I'd say UCSD wins.

I think for all things UCSD wins. I'd have a very hard time from a personal perspective and from a academic prospective putting USC or Cedars ahead of UCSD, and I also honestly think San Diego is a much better place to live than LA.

But . . . if the gut says "LA" then go to LA. I think USC gives you the better bang for your buck over cedars, especially for what you want to do.

 

[jdh71]

Hey Everyone. Long time reader, first time poster. Any help is much appreciated. I'm interested in Cardiology but don't necessarily have to go to a big Cards Factory. I'm from the SE but definitely ok with moving anywhere on this list.

Cornell
BIDMC
Duke
JHU
Northwestern
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
UNC
UofC

Specifically, I'm having trouble placing JHU, BIDMC, and UCSF in the top 3 since my "gut feeling" (whatever that is) was the best there. I'm up for suggestions though. Thanks!

dart board

good luck

 

[ScalpelHands]

Hello, all. Looong time lurker, would truly appreciate the collective wisdom. I'm interested in a future in Cardiology and then EP fellowship.

Looking at the following East Coast programs:

UVa
UMd
TJU
GWU
AE Montefiore
Temple
RWJ
Penn St
Drexel Hahnemann
VCU
AE Beth Israel
Hofstra NS-LIJ

 

[bigtymer]

Hey, I'm an IMG looking to cardiology and I would appreciate any help regarding my list.

SUNY downstate
St. Luke's Roosevelt
UMass
Pennsylvania Hospital Program
University of Vermont
Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center (Boston)
Baystate/Tufts
JHU Sinai

 

[gold&black2005]

Hey Everyone. Long time reader, first time poster. Any help is much appreciated. I'm interested in Cardiology but don't necessarily have to go to a big Cards Factory. I'm from the SE but definitely ok with moving anywhere on this list.

Cornell
BIDMC
Duke
JHU
Northwestern
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
UNC
UofC

Specifically, I'm having trouble placing JHU, BIDMC, and UCSF in the top 3 since my "gut feeling" (whatever that is) was the best there. I'm up for suggestions though. Thanks!

A) I tend to agree with jdh - we're just splitting hairs here. All of these programs will set you up beautifully.

B) Among your stated top three, JHU and UCSF's cards matches are notably better than BIDMC...BI seemed to have a weaker cards match in recent years from what I recall when compared to the big guys (JHU, MGH/BWH, UCSF) or even its peer programs (Cornell, Yale, Chicago, Sinai, etc).

With all that being said...

JHU = UCSF > Duke > UofC = Cornell = Stanford > BIDMC > Northwestern > UNC = UCSD

 

[gold&black2005]

Hello, all. Looong time lurker, would truly appreciate the collective wisdom. I'm interested in a future in Cardiology and then EP fellowship.

Looking at the following East Coast programs:

UVa
UMd
TJU
GWU
AE Montefiore
Temple
RWJ
Penn St
Drexel Hahnemann
VCU
AE Beth Israel
Hofstra NS-LIJ

UVA wins far and away...strongest cards match list by far. They'll sneak someone into JHU now and again and match very solidly otherwise. The other notable programs on your list for cards, I'd say, are Maryland, Temple, Monte, VCU and RWJ.

Maryland has prob the best placement nationally compared to the other four, with a decent number of people headed to WashU in recent years. VCU and Temple are both really surprisingly strong programs - VCU's cards division has some real heavy hitters and their fellowship match placement, while mainly in-house, has sent people to CCF, Vandy and Pitt in recent years. Temple's a real hidden gem as well but keeps most cards people in house. Jefferson's match list for cards was underwhelming...Monte's is quite local as well but it's probably one of the strongest programs clinically on your list. Don't know too much about RWJ but the reputation seems solid per this board and what I heard on the trail last year. GW seems nice with strong CT surgery but the cards match is pretty weak.

UVA > Maryland > VCU > Temple = Jeff = Monte > RWJ > GW > the rest

 

[gold&black2005]

Hey, I'm an IMG looking to cardiology and I would appreciate any help regarding my list.

SUNY downstate
St. Luke's Roosevelt
UMass
Pennsylvania Hospital Program
University of Vermont
Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center (Boston)
Baystate/Tufts
JHU Sinai

Don't know too much about many of these places - heard good things about SLR and UMass from these boards. Downstate favors its own for cards fellowship for sure...would caution that JHU/Sinai does not = JHH or JHU Bayview by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Tubular]

Possibly wanting to do hospitalist or critical care medicine...

Rush, UIC, Loyola, Jefferson, BU, Baylor, Emory, Univ Of MD, Vandy, Temple, Cleveland

 

[LindaLuv]

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[gutonc]

Possibly wanting to do hospitalist or critical care medicine...

Rush, UIC, Loyola, Jefferson, Baylor, Emory, Univ Of MD, Vandy, Temple, Cleveland

Vandy is the best program on your (annoyingly formatted) list by a country mile.

After that it's a medium-sized step down to:
Baylor, Emory, UMD and CCF

Then another step down to Jeff, UIC and Temple.

All followed by Rush and Loyola.

 

[gutonc]

Don't know too much about many of these places - heard good things about SLR and UMass from these boards. Downstate favors its own for cards fellowship for sure...would caution that JHU/Sinai does not = JHH or JHU Bayview by any stretch of the imagination.

Agree with this. UMass, SLR and UVM should be at the top of your list.

And Downstate does mostly keep their own for Cards, but be prepared to do a Chief year in return for the favor.

 

[jdh71]

Vandy is the best program on your (annoyingly formatted) list by a country mile.

After that it's a medium-sized step down to:
Baylor, Emory, UMD and CCF

Then another step down to Jeff, UIC and Temple.

All followed by Rush and Loyola.

Agree about Vandy (for sure) and the next four, but I like Rush and Loyola above Jeff, Temple, and UIC

 

[dictionary]

Hey guys - long time lurker, new account for anonymity. Thanks so much in advance for your advice. I prefer a California program and am looking into hospitalist medicine or possibly cards. Resident happiness/camaraderie is extremely important to me (my gut felt this most at ucla). Thanks again!

ucsf
ucla
stanford
ucsd
uw
mt sinai
cornell
nyu
uchicago
northwestern

For now my top two are ucsf and ucla (hard not to put ucsf at top; residents seemed super happy at ucla). Need lots of help ranking the rest. Thanks again!

 

[jdh71]

Hey guys - long time lurker, new account for anonymity. Thanks so much in advance for your advice. I prefer a California program and am looking into hospitalist medicine or possibly cards. Resident happiness/camaraderie is extremely important to me (my gut felt this most at ucla). Thanks again!

ucsf
ucla
stanford
ucsd
uw
mt sinai
cornell
nyu
uchicago
northwestern

For now my top two are ucsf and ucla (hard not to put ucsf at top; residents seemed super happy at ucla). Need lots of help ranking the rest. Thanks again!

Based on your criteria, I'd say next . . .

Stanford
UCSD
UW
UChicago
Cornell
Mt. S
NYU
NWern

EDIT: In terms of fellowship placement coming from UCSF vs UCLA will be essentially negligible unless you really want one of those research orientated, teaching track fellowship spots at a UCSF or Hopkins.

 

[dictionary]

Based on your criteria, I'd say next . . .

Stanford
UCSD
UW
UChicago
Cornell
Mt. S
NYU
NWern

EDIT: In terms of fellowship placement coming from UCSF vs UCLA will be essentially negligible unless you really want one of those research orientated, teaching track fellowship spots at a UCSF or Hopkins.

Thanks so much jdh, and your edit is much appreciated. I am struggling with which to rank first, ucsf vs. ucla, since my gut felt ucla was a better fit, but ucsf is such a great program, especially with its three hospital system and amazing hospitalist program. Nevertheless, I think going with your gut is the way to go.

 

[gutonc]

Agree about Vandy (for sure) and the next four, but I like Rush and Loyola above Jeff, Temple, and UIC

I will cut you.

 

[jdh71]

I will cut you.

Ha!

You know, though, there has been much LESS bickering in the "rank list" thread this year than the three years before this.

 

[jdh71]

Thanks so much jdh, and your edit is much appreciated. I am struggling with which to rank first, ucsf vs. ucla, since my gut felt ucla was a better fit, but ucsf is such a great program, especially with its three hospital system and amazing hospitalist program. Nevertheless, I think going with your gut is the way to go.

No problem. I think you'll be happier following you gut, and you've got a great list to pick from. You aren't at much any any sort of realistic disadvantage coming from any of those programs for just about anything really. So unless your ambitions run to elite level research and teaching, there is no reason to rank UCSF number one unless you really liked that program best - nothing personal - we all know it's an amazing place.

 

[gutonc]

Ha!

You know, though, there has been much LESS bickering in the "rank list" thread this year than the three years before this.

That's because it's mostly you and me (and a bunch of MS4s) and we tend to agree on the big stuff.

I can get more argumentative if you want but then I might get kicked out of the inner circle.

 

[superhero16]

Any perception difference among these programs? I'm doing GI or pulm/cc. Thanks for the help!

Cedars sinai
USC
UC Davis
UC Irvine

 

[gold&black2005]

That's because it's mostly you and me (and a bunch of MS4s) and we tend to agree on the big stuff.

I can get more argumentative if you want but then I might get kicked out of the inner circle.

To be fair, it's also because all of us (mentalgymnast, RonBurgandy, scaredshizzles, residentMD, chitown, phineus, aciphex, ladyjubilee, frugal traveler, obiwan, etc) who were so actively discussing last year are all now dying as interns...

(except for me, apparently, who is loving some outpatient currently).

 

[KRichards62]

I'd like to join in the fun too. I'm big on research and interested in infectious disease. I want to be at an academic institution. I know a lot of the programs I'm going to list have already been discussed but my issue is that I absolutely loved Tulane's program. The program director was amazing. I love the innovative curriculum and interesting way they do things. I want a program with a public hospital, and I want to serve an underserved community. I love New Orleans too. My issue is that its not that prestigious and may not have as many research opportunities as other places I'm considering. Would I be insane to rank Tulane above MGH/Columbia etc, based on a gut feeling that I really I loved the program?

My list (in no particular order)

Tulane
MGH
Columbia
Yale trad
Emory
UTSW
Baylor
Cornell
Mt.Sinai
NYU
Hopkins-bayview
Vandy

I agree with previous advise to "go with your gut"....BUT....I would examine your gut feeling long and hard before passing up on places like MGH and Columbia for a place like Tulane. As previously mentioned, Tulane is a fine program, but is not in the same stratosphere as some of these other places. I would agree that the Tulane program director is very gifted at giving inspiring speeches, but I would not suggest putting how well you like the program director in high priority on how you rank programs (program directors have less impact on your residency experience than you would think). Undoubtedly you should at least do a second look before drinking the kool-aid.

Would you be insane for basing a decision like this on a gut feeling? No. Does a decision like this have high potential for regret? Yes.

 

[HemeOncDO]

I'm not sure what to do, and advice would be appreciated....

I'm a DO, COMLEX I/II: 495 (81) & 524 (85) USMLE I & II: 190 (77) & 228 (99)

I went to 11 interviews, 4 MD, 7 DO. I want to do oncology, but none of the DO IM programs have this fellowship. Three of the 4 MD interviews have oncology. I think they are low tier/easier to get into schools. I am not doing the DO match because these programs never fill & I could scramble as a last resort in needed, but then my chance at Hem/onc would be nill.

But only 4 programs to rank is what, maybe 50% chance to match??

My MD interviews to rank are:

UTMB (They have oncology, many people don't like Galveston/rebuilding). Easier to match?? Or considered hard to get into. Got an instant early interview, but no emails/Thank yous after the interview. I send cards & emails to everyone 🙂 here)

USF Tampa ( Have a great Heme/Onc, no emails/Thank yous)

U of Nevada (Have a new oncology program, 100% FMGs, received a few emails etc)

U Miami Miller Atlantis (Good relationship with Jackson, mostly FMGs, no emails & Thank yous from them)

Not hearing from the programs after sending cards/emails, is this a bad sign? They all seemed very interested & tried to sell me at interviews). Think I might have a chance at any of these programs to match?