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chitown82 said:
Interviewed at both last year. Got a better "vibe" from Duke in terms of resident happiness/collegiality but preferred Columbia for location, location, location.

Reputation is a toss up - perhaps Columbia's name is tad better but coming from either program will make you a solid fellowship applicant. Also, if your ultimate goal is to stay in the NE for fellowship, I would pick Columbia

I also think Columbia attracts more single/unattached people who are excited to explore the night-life.
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Sorry jessi, I've been traveling. Will respond better later.

I think Duke us the bigger academic dog but not by that much. I've always said go where you'll like residency, you can easily fellowship match back in ny city from duke.
 
jdh71 said:
Sorry jessi, I've been traveling. Will respond better later.

I think Duke us the bigger academic dog but not by that much. I've always said go where you'll like residency, you can easily fellowship match back in ny city from duke.
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Agree with this...and chitown for the most part as well. Both are phenomenal programs. Both are top cards places. Both will allow you write your own ticket fellowship-wise (assuming continued good performance during residency).

Go where you felt more comfortable...it's easier to excel when you're happy where you work.
 
how would you rank these?
BUMC-Dallas
UTMB
Georgetown
USC
cornell
Albert Einstein-NY
wake forest
UT Houston
Baylor Medical College
U of Illinoise-chicago
Rush
UTSouthwestern
Mount Sinai

which one is better, Rush or U of Illinois, BCM or UTH?
 
manman said:
how would you rank these?
BUMC-Dallas
UTMB
Georgetown
USC
cornell
Albert Einstein-NY
wake forest
UT Houston
Baylor Medical College
U of Illinoise-chicago
Rush
UTSouthwestern
Mount Sinai
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By tiers:
Cornell
MSSM
UTSW
BMC
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USC
Albert Einstein-NY
wake forest
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UT Houston
U of Illinoise-chicago
Rush
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BUMC-Dallas
UTMB
Georgetown

which one is better, Rush or U of Illinois, BCM or UTH?
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The Rush/UIC debate rages on and depends on what you're looking for. BCM>UTH.
 
Thanks
So you don't think I should worry about BCM financial issues. The FM program closed down. I know this wont happen to IM any time soon, but that just speaks to the magnitude of their problems.
 
Considering cards. Any suggestions on rank based on tiers? Would really appreciate the help! Thanks!

Cornell
NYU
Albert Einstein-Montefiore
Brown
Colorado
OHSU
U of Washington
UC Davis
Cedar Sinai
Harbor-UCLA
Georgetown
GWU
Maryland
Tufts
BU
UVM
 
imconfused said:
Cards or PCC -- some help?

UCSF
Duke
Vandy
Columbia
UPenn
BIDMC
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The decision between these programs should be based on warm fuzzies, location, and family. You should have a very good application experience for cards at any of them. UCSF does have that primary care tract...
 
Interested in GI and having a hard time deciding how to rank my top four.

WashU
Duke
Vandy
Michigan
 
Can someone give me some advice on how to rank these programs :

University of Florida - Jacksonville
Howard University Hospital
SUNY Downstate

I'm applying for IM categorical and I would like to pursue an Endocrinology fellowship after residency

Thanks
 
GoHoosiers said:
Interested in GI and having a hard time deciding how to rank my top four.

WashU
Duke
Vandy
Michigan
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GI-wise, that's the order I would put them in, but the difference in "strength" between those 4 places is small enough so as to be non-existent. If you ranked based on who had the best cafeteria food it would be hard to argue with your decision and you'd come out smelling like a rose either way.
 
hi i interviewed of U of chicago northshore program (previously northwestern evanston) and really liked it. my question is if my goal is to become a hospitalist, can i find work in any state (mostly interested in community hospitals) after completion of this residency program or would it be advisable to go to academic residency.

anyone?
 
Leukowhat said:
hi i interviewed of U of chicago northshore program (previously northwestern evanston) and really liked it. my question is if my goal is to become a hospitalist, can i find work in any state (mostly interested in community hospitals) after completion of this residency program or would it be advisable to go to academic residency.

anyone?
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When it's time to go looking for a job, no one gives a **** where you did residency anymore.
 
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Can someone give me some advice on how to rank these programs :

University of Florida - Jacksonville
Howard University Hospital
SUNY Downstate

I'm applying for IM categorical and I would like to pursue an Endocrinology fellowship after residency

Thanks
 
Hi Everyone! I'm new to the forums and appreciate all of the great advice/insight that has been posted. I am interested in a career in academic general medicine. In regards to my career interest and program reputation, how would you rank the following programs?

Listed in no specific order:
Vanderbilt
Penn
UVA
Hopkins Bayview
Hopkins Osler
Cornell
UNC
Emory

Thanks for any insight you can provide!
 
IndyGuy said:
Hi Everyone! I'm new to the forums and appreciate all of the great advice/insight that has been posted. I am interested in a career in academic general medicine. In regards to my career interest and program reputation, how would you rank the following programs?

Listed in no specific order:
Vanderbilt
Penn
UVA
Hopkins Bayview
Hopkins Osler
Cornell
UNC
Emory

Thanks for any insight you can provide!
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Hopkins
Penn
Vandy
Cornell
Emory=UVA=unc
Bayview
 
howdy all. reading this forum is making me dizzy so i thought i'd submit my own question since i won't be the first to do so. i'm struggling with ranking my top 4-5. i'd like to do either hematology (BMT) or cards, definitely staying in academics. been schooled in texas my whole life so i've got no realistic insight into the top IM programs.

what i'm looking for: great training, happy and eager residents, and indigent patient population; a city in which people smile, outdoors; personally, single and ready to mingle, preferable with a cute jewress

my top 5 are below in tentative order:
Duke - loved the leadership and program structure; residents quality great; location nice: not a big city, of course, but very cosmopolitan with highly-educated populace; beautiful area; southern belles, bbq, and fishing
UW (Seattle) - program leadership and resident quality supurb; outdoorsman's heaven; concerns: i think the seattle freeze is real (people seemed to have a nice veneer but got vibes of flakiness) and i've heard single-life there sucks
U Chicago - loved the program and leadership; research great; hyde park a chill part of chicago, an awesome city; indigent patient population; small program, which i like; probably in a lower tier than other 4 and heard about some instability but prolly gonna stay high
Hopkins - obviously a great program but interview day was pretty bad with little resident contact and no PD present; i really want someone to tell me that the residents aren't totally unhappy and i'd rank it higher; i liked the place for the strong work-ethic and culture of excellence, but got sick of hearing william osler's name mentioned
Wash U - PD was great; really on the list for practical reasons: close to home, cheap, great fellowship match; i felt the program was too large and got tired of the residents telling me they loved going out all the time (kinda cheesy)

i know i can't really go wrong with any of these (hope one decides to take me!) but the fact is it's hard to make a list based on one interview day. looking for insights/list reshuffling from anyone in the know. feel free to message me or reply all.
thanks in advance!
 
jdh71 said:
Bad syntax. I meant what makes Emory so much better? Then the sarcastic question. :laugh:
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Yours or his or both?

Thanks for the clarification...I was starting to worry about you.

To be clear. When deciding between 3 roughly equivalent programs (UNC, UVA and Emory) based simply on geography and livability, Emory loses by a landslide.
 
gutonc said:
Yours or his or both?

Thanks for the clarification...I was starting to worry about you.

To be clear. When deciding between 3 roughly equivalent programs (UNC, UVA and Emory) based simply on geography and livability, Emory loses by a landslide.
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I can only own up to my own bad and confusing use of the English language.

I agree with everything after: "to be clear"
 
keystrokes said:
howdy all. reading this forum is making me dizzy so i thought i'd submit my own question since i won't be the first to do so. i'm struggling with ranking my top 4-5. i'd like to do either hematology (BMT) or cards, definitely staying in academics. been schooled in texas my whole life so i've got no realistic insight into the top IM programs.

what i'm looking for: great training, happy and eager residents, and indigent patient population; a city in which people smile, outdoors; personally, single and ready to mingle, preferable with a cute jewress

my top 5 are below in tentative order:
Duke - loved the leadership and program structure; residents quality great; location nice: not a big city, of course, but very cosmopolitan with highly-educated populace; beautiful area; southern belles, bbq, and fishing
UW (Seattle) - program leadership and resident quality supurb; outdoorsman's heaven; concerns: i think the seattle freeze is real (people seemed to have a nice veneer but got vibes of flakiness) and i've heard single-life there sucks
U Chicago - loved the program and leadership; research great; hyde park a chill part of chicago, an awesome city; indigent patient population; small program, which i like; probably in a lower tier than other 4 and heard about some instability but prolly gonna stay high
Hopkins - obviously a great program but interview day was pretty bad with little resident contact and no PD present; i really want someone to tell me that the residents aren't totally unhappy and i'd rank it higher; i liked the place for the strong work-ethic and culture of excellence, but got sick of hearing william osler's name mentioned
Wash U - PD was great; really on the list for practical reasons: close to home, cheap, great fellowship match; i felt the program was too large and got tired of the residents telling me they loved going out all the time (kinda cheesy)

i know i can't really go wrong with any of these (hope one decides to take me!) but the fact is it's hard to make a list based on one interview day. looking for insights/list reshuffling from anyone in the know. feel free to message me or reply all.
thanks in advance!
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Howdy pardner. You certainly have an impressive list to choose from. I only interviewed at WashU so I can tell you that I was very impressed by the program and felt the residents were genuinely nice and laid back people.

I had a few friends who interviewed at UWash and went into it wanting to rank it #1 but changed their minds afterwards because they felt that the residents did not seem sociable and looked miserable. Other friends I talked to love it though so it seems to be hit or miss. Also, grunge is apparently the dominant subculture there so be prepared to purchase some black mascara.

In terms of women, you'd likely do better in SoCal, Manhattan, the Carolinas, and Colorado. Although regrettably you have not chosen programs located in any of those places with the exception of Duke.

Baltimore is quite the sh*thole but if the Hopkins name does it for you then it would be very reasonable to go there.

Chicago - Good luck getting outside during the latter half of the year.

WashU - St. Louis is ghetto no matter what people tell you. Only thing that redeems it is Pappy's BBQ.

If I were you, I would go with Duke. Not sure about the size of the Jewish population there but the selection of Shiksas shouldn't be lacking.

Good Luck, Donkey Kong
 
Long-term reader, first-time submitter. I'm not fully committed to a subspecialty, but am leaning towards one of the more procedural fields. Here's my list, ordered geographically, rather than by preference. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you have!

UW
OHSU
UCSF
Stanford
UCLA
UCSD
UC Denver
Michigan
Northwestern
UChicago
 
Pkboi24 said:
Howdy pardner. You certainly have an impressive list to choose from. I only interviewed at WashU so I can tell you that I was very impressed by the program and felt the residents were genuinely nice and laid back people.

I had a few friends who interviewed at UWash and went into it wanting to rank it #1 but changed their minds afterwards because they felt that the residents did not seem sociable and looked miserable. Other friends I talked to love it though so it seems to be hit or miss. Also, grunge is apparently the dominant subculture there so be prepared to purchase some black mascara.

In terms of women, you'd likely do better in SoCal, Manhattan, the Carolinas, and Colorado. Although regrettably you have not chosen programs located in any of those places with the exception of Duke.

Baltimore is quite the sh*thole but if the Hopkins name does it for you then it would be very reasonable to go there.

Chicago - Good luck getting outside during the latter half of the year.

WashU - St. Louis is ghetto no matter what people tell you. Only thing that redeems it is Pappy's BBQ.

If I were you, I would go with Duke. Not sure about the size of the Jewish population there but the selection of Shiksas shouldn't be lacking.

Good Luck, Donkey Kong
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I'm honestly curious as to what this means. Last time I checked it was 2011 and not 1991 😛
 
thanks pardner.
regarding seattle: people in-house all seemed reasonable (maybe a bit more uptight with at least one strange conversation at morning report overheard) but i'm more concerned about the general populace. i know it ain't 1991 but the grunge scene is still thriving far as i can tell: saw a goth version of fight-club going down right on university avenue which drew a crowd of ~40ppl; seemed the most happening thing in town.
regarding duke: seems like it'll be #1.
regarding wash u: pappy's bbq is out of this world; best bbq i ever aten
regarding hopkins: i think it really is more than a name; the training there is likely on another level; it'll be 2 or 3
thanks for the comments
 
keystrokes said:
thanks pardner.
regarding seattle: people in-house all seemed reasonable (maybe a bit more uptight with at least one strange conversation at morning report overheard) but i'm more concerned about the general populace. i know it ain't 1991 but the grunge scene is still thriving far as i can tell: saw a goth version of fight-club going down right on university avenue which drew a crowd of ~40ppl; seemed the most happening thing in town.
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Gutter punks fighting over cigarette butts on "The Ave" is not the social/cultural scene in Seattle.
 
jessicatMD said:
If anyone who's a resident or med student at these places, or has interviewed at both, I'd really like your help with this question. Especially, goldblack2005, jdh71, gutonc - I'd really appreciate your guys help and thanks in advance.

I'm interested in cards, and like Manhattan as a city over Durham and truthfully the Columbia name a little better, but I feel like Duke's program is more comfortable and has better hospital environment and funding.

I'm really like both though, but if you guys can give any advice, I'd appreciate your help.
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Duke has a waaaaay better infrastructure in terms of the nuts and bolts of day to day clinical practice as a resident. You would probably have a better shot at cards coming from the Duke Marines rather than Columbia. But that's not to say that you would do poorly coming from Columbia. Overall, really the question is, would you want to live in Raleigh-Durham?

-AT.
 
Hi everyone, i was just wondering if there's someone who could help me in my ranking. I donno if i should rank UPMC Mercy or NY hospital Queens/Cornell first. Any tips??
 
Reeeeally debating some on my list:
Career goals: clinical education - cards (EP) or rheum vs. GI or hospitalist (almost in that order, with the "or" indicating interchangeability)

Jefferson- great fellowship placement, especially cards and GI. Really great teaching it seems. Feel like it's really easy to get lost in the shuffle with no board review, sheer # of residents, and kind of on your own to find research (obviously for more motivated people).

Temple - again, great fellowship placement. Seems to have a heavier emphasis on educational conferences (really enjoyed their chief rounds). Research day in the beginning of the year highlights some opportunities interns can join (seems to reduce some anxiety to approach mentors and get started).

RWJ - good fellowship placement if you work for it. Research is heavily emphasized and seems reasonably attainable. Real heavy emphasis on education with great morning report and board review (can seem mundane, but it really does make you think). Treats residents well (which can interpreted as cushy, but it seems to be a complete experience).
 
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malingero said:
Hi everyone, i was just wondering if there's someone who could help me in my ranking. I donno if i should rank UPMC Mercy or NY hospital Queens/Cornell first. Any tips??
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If I was in your shoes, I would pick NYHQ>Mercy based on in-house fellowship matches. Are there certain aspects of each you really liked or really pertain to your career goals? Perhaps those answers could shed more light on your choice.
 
Ok. Thanx. I'm currently interested in GI. NYHQ has one spot for GI while UPMC Mercy doesn't have GI although the UPMC system in Presby has one. What about UNSOM Las Vegas??
 
atsai3 said:
Duke has a waaaaay better infrastructure in terms of the nuts and bolts of day to day clinical practice as a resident. You would probably have a better shot at cards coming from the Duke Marines rather than Columbia. But that's not to say that you would do poorly coming from Columbia. Overall, really the question is, would you want to live in Raleigh-Durham?

-AT.
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Columbia med student here, albeit without major interest in cardiology. Can't comment on Duke cardiology, but Columbia has an outstanding match list for cardiology and has a preeminent fellowship program in cardiology. It's also a major center for cardiac transplantation/advanced heart failure care and for interventional cards. The ancillary services at Columbia have continued to improve and are very good overall, but certainly there are challenges, as in any NYC hospital. Columbia also serves a large indigent, Spanish-speaking Dominican population, which provides additional challenges, but experienced social work services are in place. I think Columbia and Duke are both members of the oft-mentioned "Big 8" of IM. Either program should provide solid clinical training.
 
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keystrokes said:
howdy all. reading this forum is making me dizzy so i thought i'd submit my own question since i won't be the first to do so. i'm struggling with ranking my top 4-5. i'd like to do either hematology (BMT) or cards, definitely staying in academics. been schooled in texas my whole life so i've got no realistic insight into the top IM programs.

what i'm looking for: great training, happy and eager residents, and indigent patient population; a city in which people smile, outdoors; personally, single and ready to mingle, preferable with a cute jewress

my top 5 are below in tentative order:
Duke - loved the leadership and program structure; residents quality great; location nice: not a big city, of course, but very cosmopolitan with highly-educated populace; beautiful area; southern belles, bbq, and fishing
UW (Seattle) - program leadership and resident quality supurb; outdoorsman's heaven; concerns: i think the seattle freeze is real (people seemed to have a nice veneer but got vibes of flakiness) and i've heard single-life there sucks
U Chicago - loved the program and leadership; research great; hyde park a chill part of chicago, an awesome city; indigent patient population; small program, which i like; probably in a lower tier than other 4 and heard about some instability but prolly gonna stay high
Hopkins - obviously a great program but interview day was pretty bad with little resident contact and no PD present; i really want someone to tell me that the residents aren't totally unhappy and i'd rank it higher; i liked the place for the strong work-ethic and culture of excellence, but got sick of hearing william osler's name mentioned
Wash U - PD was great; really on the list for practical reasons: close to home, cheap, great fellowship match; i felt the program was too large and got tired of the residents telling me they loved going out all the time (kinda cheesy)

i know i can't really go wrong with any of these (hope one decides to take me!) but the fact is it's hard to make a list based on one interview day. looking for insights/list reshuffling from anyone in the know. feel free to message me or reply all.
thanks in advance!
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Hey Keystroke. I can't speak for every resident at Hopkins, I can only speak for myself, but I've enjoyed every minute of it. THere is no doubt that it is alot of hard work and some days you don't want to roll out of bed, but thats intern life. What makes me get out of bed everyday is the fact that the residents I work with are some of the coolest people I have met. Genuinely nice and we all help each other out as much as possible. I'm sorry not as many of us showed up to greet you guys on interview day, but rest assured we are not all unhappy and for the most part I would say everyone here is pretty content as much as one can be intern year.

The best part of Hopkins aside from the residents is the training and teaching. From a training perspective I have no doubt you've heard that interns triage and admit patients by themselves after September. You are the only person that sees this patient from medicine and the only person that makes recommendations as you see fit that first night. While it may sound scary at first I guarantee you that you will be well prepared for this. There is nothing better than after a hectic night, presenting a patient knowing that YOU and only YOU took care of that patient and rocked it starting from the diagnosis all the way down to treatment as an intern. Its an amazing feeling, HOWEVER there is always support if you need it and feel overwhelmed. You can always call more senior residents in the hospital should you need help, who are always awesome and never ever condescending and make you feel stupid.

The teaching is I feel special because we have an ACS. Some people might not like this, but I love it. While working with other Hopkins attendings on non-O months are great, they are just too busy alot of the time to devote 20 to 30 minutes teaching per patient on every new admission. The ACS rounds are just that, they teach the hell out of you and I've been so much stronger as a doctor because of it.

While Hopkins is not for everyone, and I can't speak for everyone in my program. The ones I do know love it here including myself. Oh and the new PD is awesome. Even before he took the job, he emailed each of the interns and met with us face to face just to shoot the breeze. Really nice guy who I hope will be around for a long time.

PS: They'll give you an osler biography when you get here. Sorry about that =)
 
We've got remarkably similar lists, so I'm interested in others' take here too. I'm leaning towards the west coast but having trouble figuring out where to put them nonetheless.

It seems like UWash, UCSF, Stanford, and UCLA comprise one rough tier as far as west coast places go (with San Fran the top dog), with Michigan the front-runner in the midwest.

knor30 said:
Long-term reader, first-time submitter. I'm not fully committed to a subspecialty, but am leaning towards one of the more procedural fields. Here's my list, ordered geographically, rather than by preference. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you have!

UW
OHSU
UCSF
Stanford
UCLA
UCSD
UC Denver
Michigan
Northwestern
UChicago
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How would you rank these with intentions for GI:

Rush
OSU
Brown
Rochester
Dartmouth
Penn St
Case UH
Einstein Montefiore
Cleveland Clinic
 
Crazy that you all have such a variety of choices for your residency!!

You do realize that you will be training here a min of 3 months....then probably 2-3 years of fellowship in the same area/institution with a probability of practicing in the same area also...
Does geography/weather not matter to you all?

Just curious...
 
docscience said:
Crazy that you all have such a variety of choices for your residency!!

You do realize that you will be training here a min of 3 months....then probably 2-3 years of fellowship in the same area/institution with a probability of practicing in the same area also...
Does geography/weather not matter to you all?

Just curious...
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My top 3 choices are all in different time zones. I think there are many interesting places to live in this country beyond the coasts and Chicago, and I think that residency is the last really good chance you will have to go to a new town and have an instant 100+ pool of ready-made friends, so why not go someplace sorta out of your comfort zone? Especially if the training is pretty much equivalent, which I happen to think is the case for a large chunk of university programs behind the top 5-10. You can always relocate back home for fellowship and/or practice; it's not THAT difficult.
 
IMG,need visa,Looking at cards for fellowship. can you help with these pls...

MGH
CCF
BU
Thomas jefferson
Creighton
Nymc Westchester
U Conn
U of Missouri
U of Louisville
Washington Hospital Center
Hennepin county
 
Imgview said:
IMG,need visa,Looking at cards for fellowship. can you help with these pls...

MGH
CCF
BU
Thomas jefferson
Creighton
Nymc Westchester
U Conn
U of Missouri
U of Louisville
Washington Hospital Center
Hennepin county
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Mmmm... you mentioned you were from Latin America and interviewed at MGH.

Are you the guy with the best seller medical book and tons of publications?
 
@pornstar

I'm neither Latin American nor do I have a bestseller.In fact my research is zilch/nada/zero which is why I'm speculative about my chances at big names.

All I have is my life experiences back home.
 
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How would you rank these? Quality of life is important just as much as teaching/academics. I don't plan on specializing in GI or Cards.
 
Appreciate the advice, interested in cards.

Boston Univ
Univ of Minnesota
UAB
Baylor
Hopkins - Bayview
Univ of Maryland
Washington Hospital, dc
Temple
Univ of Miami - Jackson
 
chitown82 said:
I went to a lot of the programs to interview and this is my impression based on residency while keeping cards in mind:

Duke=Mich
Chicago=WashU
Cornell=UCLA=Northwestern=Mayo
Yale=UCSD=MSSM=Vandy
UPMC=Emory

The rest.
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hey chitown thank you for responding to my cardiology ranking question. so with regards to your placement:
Duke=Mich
Chicago=WashU
Cornell=UCLA=Northwestern=Mayo
Yale=UCSD=MSSM=Vandy
UPMC=Emory

I am wondering why you think uchi is better than northwestern. I enjoyed my interview more at northwestern but uchi looks like it has better cards placement.

I am surprised u put duke and u of m on same tier...

I liked wash u i just dont know if i can live in st. louis
 
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