Official Rank List Thread 2008-2009

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So lots of rank threads are popping up, so everyone use this thread to post your rank list or ask for advice about your rank list. I'll start, so how would you rank these for somebody set on cards:

1) Cornell
2) Mt. Sinai
3) Stanford
4) Ucla
5) Ucsd
6) UW
7) Emory
8) NYU
9) Colorado


uw
ucla = ucsd = stanford
emory = cornell = colorado
nyu
mt sinai

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For cardiology --> Stanford then everything else to be sorted out afterwards


Emory is an excellent choice for cardiology. The clinical exposure/training there is excellent. Their research is great and their match list for cards is ridiculous. I actually think that it's the best place on your list (for cards)
 
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Hi
What about GWU(George Washington University in DC) for IM residency.
any remarks are appreciated ,how is the program for Cardio...i have No rank list Cuz i am already in,,,:)
 
Hi, here's my current list. I'm interested in heme/onc. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

1) Georgetown U
2) Tufts
3) Boston U
4) George Washington U
5) Penn State
6) Washington hospital center
 
Deciding... interested in H/O as well

JHU-Bayview
Mt. Sinai
Upenn
(these are prob fixed)
----------
Montefiore
UChicago (may bump down, unsure if I want to move away from east coast)
Vanderbilt (same as above)
Temple
Tufts
UMass
Jefferson
Dartmouth
Maryland
 
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1. NYU
2. Brown
3. Yale-PC
4. UVA
5. U. Mich
6. Einstein-Monte
 
Deciding... interested in H/O as well

JHU-Bayview
Mt. Sinai
Upenn
(these are prob fixed)
----------
Montefiore
UChicago (may bump down, unsure if I want to move away from east coast)
Vanderbilt (same as above)
Temple
Tufts
UMass
BU
Jefferson
Dartmouth
Maryland

Is there a reason for UPenn to be after JHU-Bayview and Mt Sinai? I would think UPenn = Vanderbilt = UChicago as far as reputation goes....
 
Is there a reason for UPenn to be after JHU-Bayview and Mt Sinai? I would think UPenn = Vanderbilt = UChicago as far as reputation goes....

Not everyone ranks based on reputation/prestige. He might be ranking based on where he feels he is the best fit, which is what everyone should be doing.
 
Montefiore: I really liked this program. It's location isn't ideal but I got the sense that residents who trained there are basically trained for anything coming their way. With respect to training I think that Bellevue, Presbyterian and Montefiore are the three best programs in NYC. Unfortunetly the match list is not the strongest and their basic sience is definitely not as good as Columbia. I wish that Montefiore's reputation was more in line with the actual training they receive.

My rank list would probably look like this:
1. Hopkins Bayview
2. UVA
3. BU
4. Montefiore
5. Harbor-UCLA
6. Cedars Sinai

Thanks for your opinion! But I was wondering... I thought Tufts was fairly similar to BU in terms of fellowship (although I admit the training style is different). I'm curious why you didn't include it?
 
But you qualified the question with, "i would think......blah blah... based on REPUTATION..." :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well I have to agree that you rolling eyes three times makes more sense than mine only one....darn you foreign body....you beat me ....

Well the use of "I" was supposed to show that my subjective ranking would be in this order and thats why I put my question to see what OP's reasoning was for his ranking, before I gave MY opinion....

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Please help me rank, interested in Cards, but also in general quality of the program

Columbia
MT Sinai
Cornell
NYU
BIDMC
UChicago
UCLA
YALE
 
That's why I asked HIM/HER if there was a reason for doing that, didn't I?:rolleyes:

JHU-B and Mt. Sinai were better fits -- true. Felt it was more cohesive, had better teaching. Upenn is still #3 because of fellowship match and it's close to home.

Prob won't rank BU because I've heard it's malignant. Tufts and esp Umass seemed to have very happy cohesive residents and UMass in particular has great teachers and is forward thinking. But it's in Worcester...
 
Interested in Heme/Onc (not Cards or GI ;-)
How would you rank?

Mayo Rochester
Cornell
Yale
BU
UMinnesota
UMaryland

Thx!
 
Interested in Heme/Onc (not Cards or GI ;-)
How would you rank?

Mayo Rochester
Cornell
Yale
BU
UMinnesota
UMaryland

Thx!

I think for H/O, I would put:

1. Cornell (2/2 assn with Memorial Sloan-Kettering)
2. Mayo

don't know much about rest ... but just on name rec., I would go with
Yale > UMary > UMin > BU

I guess how you felt at these programs would also be taken into consideration and that would be your personal decision.
 
There's a lot of undervaluing Yale on this board. Sure its not as great as the elite institutions such as bwh/mgh/columbia/hopkins/ucsf/penn but it definitely is in the next class of programs in terms of reputation and also in terms of selectivity. Certainly more prestigious than Mayo and >= to Cornell in the above example.
 
There's a lot of undervaluing Yale on this board. Sure its not as great as the elite institutions such as bwh/mgh/columbia/hopkins/ucsf/penn but it definitely is in the next class of programs in terms of reputation and also in terms of selectivity. Certainly more prestigious than Mayo and >= to Cornell in the above example.

Very possible. I don't know ANYTHING about Yale hence I ranked it top of my unknowns list. Probably the reputation suffers due to lack of participation by Yale people on this forum. Hopefully more of them can chime in with an opinion about Yale. But AFA H/O goes, I will put Cornell above Yale simply due to Cornell's association with Memorial Sloan-Kettering.
 
Very possible. I don't know ANYTHING about Yale hence I ranked it top of my unknowns list. Probably the reputation suffers due to lack of participation by Yale people on this forum. Hopefully more of them can chime in with an opinion about Yale. But AFA H/O goes, I will put Cornell above Yale simply due to Cornell's association with Memorial Sloan-Kettering.

I would agree with Cornell > Yale > Mayo with Heme/Onc. The nice thing with these is that they are all so very different. Mayo is a program I would choose specifically because you want to work in their environment. I would rank it above BU, Minnesota, and Maryland if you're concerned about where you end up for fellowship.
 
These are the programs I'm currently considering

UPitt
Mayo
UCSD
Brown
Montefiore
U Maryland
 
What about a list for geriatrics/primary care?

Johns Hopkins Bayview
Emory
UTSW
Rush
Wake Forest
UT Memphis
Tulane
UT Houston
 
Deciding... interested in H/O as well

JHU-Bayview
Mt. Sinai
Upenn
(these are prob fixed)
----------
Montefiore
UChicago (may bump down, unsure if I want to move away from east coast)
Vanderbilt (same as above)
Temple
Tufts
UMass
Jefferson
Dartmouth
Maryland


I don't really know anything about heme/onc at any of your programs except for Bayview. I distinctly remember the residents at Bayview saying they thought their program's only weakness was heme/onc. It seemed like a really great place, but after their warnings I'm wondering why it's cemented as your number one for heme/onc?
 
What about a list for geriatrics/primary care?

Johns Hopkins Bayview
Emory
UTSW
Rush
Wake Forest
UT Memphis
Tulane
UT Houston

UTSW would be towards the bottom of your list for primary care. Multiple residents have explicitly said, "Do not come here if you're interested in primary care. We train sub-specialists and hospitalists." For me, that was a plus. For you, not so much. Emory struck me as a cardiology-focused program, although maybe they would have more emphasis on primary care than UTSW. Don't know about the rest. Good luck with your ROL!
 
UTSW would be towards the bottom of your list for primary care. Multiple residents have explicitly said, "Do not come here if you're interested in primary care. We train sub-specialists and hospitalists." For me, that was a plus. For you, not so much. Emory struck me as a cardiology-focused program, although maybe they would have more emphasis on primary care than UTSW. Don't know about the rest. Good luck with your ROL!


Thanks! Would opinions change if I added I wanted to stay in academic geriatrics/primary care?
 
Please help me rank, interested in Cards, but also in general quality of the program

Columbia
MT Sinai
Cornell
NYU
BIDMC
UChicago
UCLA
YALE

I'm having trouble with some of the same programs on your list. Also interested in cards. But in terms of what I consider to be overall quality ( = happiness, fellowship placement, and academics), here are my thoughts:

BIDMC
UCLA > Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Yale > U Chicago (didn't visit yale, but didn't get good vibe from chicago)
NYU

It's such a personal choice, but I think any of these programs would provide you with excellent training.
 
UTSW would be towards the bottom of your list for primary care. Multiple residents have explicitly said, "Do not come here if you're interested in primary care. We train sub-specialists and hospitalists." For me, that was a plus. For you, not so much. Emory struck me as a cardiology-focused program, although maybe they would have more emphasis on primary care than UTSW. Don't know about the rest. Good luck with your ROL!

While Emory is a cardiology-focused program, geriatrics happens to be another gem of the Department of Medicine. Emory's Wesley Woods Center is a geriatrics complex just down the street from Emory Hospital that houses a 100-bed geriatrics hospital, assistant living facilities, SNF, subacute rehab, retirement housing, plus it also has connections to several local independent living facilities. The infrastructure is definitely there for those interested in geriatrics. In my experience, few top programs have this kind of dedicated geriatrics focus.
 
What about a list for geriatrics/primary care?

Johns Hopkins Bayview
Emory
UTSW
Rush
Wake Forest
UT Memphis
Tulane
UT Houston


I went to UT-Memphis. It's last on that list except maybe UT-Houston, which I know nothing about
 
Thanks! Would opinions change if I added I wanted to stay in academic geriatrics/primary care?

Re UTSW, I think my opinion would still be similar to one given above. It is a place you want to go to if you want hospitalist/sub-spec training. If you look at the curriculum, they have 6 ICU months, similar or more number of sub-spec months, and their outpatient training was certainly less than that.

Emory certainly sounds like a place you would want to rank #1, in case you change your mind about geriatrics/PC, you will still be at a solid program for anything you choose. That would be my thinking.

Tulane was also sounded like a program that gives you a lot of electives upfront so that you can make better sub-spec choices down the road and they certainly still have charity hospital (though not in the original 1 billion bed mega hospital).
 
Had to chime in to say that Yale is an underrated program. Our match list for cards last year was pretty good (places like Columbia, UCLA, Mt Sinai...I'm not interested in cards so I don't know how they rate but seem prestigious enough). Everyone who applied for cardiology matched...and within their top 3, I believe.
 
Please help me rank, interested in Cards, but also in general quality of the program

Columbia
MT Sinai
Cornell
NYU
BIDMC
UChicago
UCLA
YALE

columbia
ucla
bid
cornell
uchicago
yale
nyu
mt sinai
 
Okay, that's a new one: thinking about Pulm/CC (with emphasis on CC). How would you rank?

Brigham
University of Indiana
Mayo Roch
NYU
Cornell
Yale Traditional
Tulane
 
Okay, that's a new one: thinking about Pulm/CC (with emphasis on CC). How would you rank?

Brigham
University of Indiana
Mayo Roch
NYU
Cornell
Yale Traditional
Tulane

The only thing that I can say is that if you want to do CC then you want to go to a hands on program that will let you do tons of procedures and you will have Chance to go thru lot of ICU/CCU months. I know you will get a lots of hands-on at NYU but I am not sure about the rest of them..maybe also at Tulane but they are still building their program back s/p Katrina. Mayo might be a good place to match for fellowship but as even their current residents point out, not too many procedures are done by them...Cornell might be another one of those hand-on ones ... Yale .. not much is known about this program since none of their people seem to be on SDN or don't want to participate .... so i would rank them (i did not interview at most of the programs, so this is just my perception at work thru hearsay and here at SDN)

BWH > NYU = cornell > Yale = Indiana > Tulane = Mayo
 
Here is my ROL. Want to go into GI, location not too important. 1-3 pretty set, 4-11 change daily. Any input appreciated.
1. U Mich
2. Mayo- Rochester
3. UPMC
4. USC
5. BUMC
6. Brown
7. UCI
8. Dartmouth
9. U Rochester
10. Loma Linda
11. U of Arizona
 
Hello all! I was wondering if someone could offer some advice to me. I am interested in pursuing GI OR heme/onc fellowship after residency (leaning more towards heme/onc right now).

Below is listed all of the programs I plan to rank. I enjoyed many of these programs very much so I am having a difficult time ranking them. I want a program that has good GI and heme/onc programs but also match well outside their program in case I want to leave (due to life's many changes :rolleyes: ). I appreciate all of your help!!! :D

(In alphabetical order...)

Mayo (Jacksonville)
Medical University of South Carolina
Temple University (Philly)
UAB Birmingham, AL
University of Cincinnati
UPMC (Pitt)
UVa
UT Houston
UT Memphis
Wake Forest
 
Mayo (Jacksonville)
Medical University of South Carolina
Temple University (Philly)
UAB Birmingham, AL
University of Cincinnati
UPMC (Pitt)
UVa
UT Houston
UT Memphis
Wake Forest

UAB
UVa
Pitt
MUSC/ Wake
Cincy/ Houston/ Mayo Jacksonville/ Memphis/ Temple
 
im tryin to figure out what i want but if i were to ask you to rank these programs based entirely on a future internist's plan, how would you rank them? i live in southern california and would like to stay here but i think im open to any of the programs. i DO have a fear about usc's program. any word on that program as well?

here are my progs:

highland hospital (alameda county)
usc
loma linda
kaiser santa clara
ucsf fresno
kern bakersfield
san joaquin general hospital
st. mary's san francisco
maricopa (arizona)
unlv (nevada)
 
highland hospital (alameda county)
usc
loma linda
kaiser santa clara
ucsf fresno
kern bakersfield
san joaquin general hospital
st. mary's san francisco
maricopa (arizona)
unlv (nevada)

I would put them
USC (it is going to be a rough intern year but I think USC is still the strongest of the programs you have listed)
UCSF Fresno (affiliatd to UCSF)
Loma Linda (I personally did not have a good day there but since you want to stay in socal, I will rank it since it is still univ based)
UNLV (as per UNLV student I met, she would not stay there for her IM residency but I don't know anything about this program)
Kaiser

then the rest of them ....

u r MD/PhD student, you will get your first pick and also why didn't you apply to san diego programs? I have heard UCSD loves research people (again I don't know how true that is ... it is what I heard)
 
Here is my ROL. Want to go into GI, location not too important. 1-3 pretty set, 4-11 change daily. Any input appreciated.
1. U Mich
2. Mayo- Rochester
3. UPMC
4. USC
5. BUMC
6. Brown
7. UCI
8. Dartmouth
9. U Rochester
10. Loma Linda
11. U of Arizona

Most US students will get their topr 3 choice in IM, so IMHO you are can't go wrong with your top 3.

Good Luck
 
I would put them
USC (it is going to be a rough intern year but I think USC is still the strongest of the programs you have listed)
UCSF Fresno (affiliatd to UCSF)
Loma Linda (I personally did not have a good day there but since you want to stay in socal, I will rank it since it is still univ based)
UNLV (as per UNLV student I met, she would not stay there for her IM residency but I don't know anything about this program)
Kaiser

then the rest of them ....

u r MD/PhD student, you will get your first pick and also why didn't you apply to san diego programs? I have heard UCSD loves research people (again I don't know how true that is ... it is what I heard)

thanks UNC. im actually a graduate. not an MD/PhD student. i didnt make my profile, a friend of mine did. eh. i graduated from med school last march and am a US-IMG. so....while i DO have research and two publications in orthopedics journals in California, it's kinda useless for medicine i guess. anyway, thanks for your input, dude. appreciate it. i think im really jus **** scared about usc and their chaos. otherwise i really like the location and even the concept of learnin so much, bein that its county. im surprised you put ucsf-fresno at number 2 since i hadnt even thought of it like that. it's def a good program but i was thinkin 4 or 5. but thanks! my mom actually has ALS and lives here in southern california (im here with her and my dad and bro n sis-in-law). so its more for personal reasons that im picking loma linda / usc over other places. otherwise, i think i actually LIKED kaiser santa clara the best :oops:/ but...priorities change with family.
 
thanks UNC. im actually a graduate. not an MD/PhD student. i didnt make my profile, a friend of mine did. eh. i graduated from med school last march and am a US-IMG. so....while i DO have research and two publications in orthopedics journals in California, it's kinda useless for medicine i guess. anyway, thanks for your input, dude. appreciate it. i think im really jus **** scared about usc and their chaos. otherwise i really like the location and even the concept of learnin so much, bein that its county. im surprised you put ucsf-fresno at number 2 since i hadnt even thought of it like that. it's def a good program but i was thinkin 4 or 5. but thanks! my mom actually has ALS and lives here in southern california (im here with her and my dad and bro n sis-in-law). so its more for personal reasons that im picking loma linda / usc over other places. otherwise, i think i actually LIKED kaiser santa clara the best :oops:/ but...priorities change with family.

I am sorry to hear about your situation. In that case I will put
1. USC (as u mentioned ... be prepared to work hard though ... and from what I gather, there is not too much teaching going on ... but you will do so much on your own that by the end of 3 yrs you will be able to take care of anything) ABIM pass rate --> 91%
2. Loma Linda (I think I just had a bad day there ... did not get a very good sense that I would fit there...plus three people in one room even in MICU didn't seem right to me ... very minor things... nothing to do with how well they are taught things ... was not really impressed by the residents i rounded with .. again could be sampling bias .... PD seemed really nice and supportive though and so were the interviewers .... I can't put my finger on it what it was that bothered me so much but it just didn't feel right to me) -- ABIM --> 85%
3. UCSF - fresno --> seems like a decent program ... affiliation to UCSF (how that translates into fellowships afterwards is not clear from their website .. data missing after 2003) ABIM --> 92%
4. unlv (nevada) --> 93%
5. Kaiser is good but the only concern would be fellowships (if you don't get one of the few internal spots, it would be a little tougher to match outside compared to Univ-based programs ... or atleast that is what I have gathered so far) -- ABIM ---> 91%

highland hospital (alameda county) --> 85%
kern bakersfield --> 95%
san joaquin general hospital --> 82%
st. mary's san francisco --> 89%
maricopa (arizona) --> 91%


Good Luck :luck::luck::luck:
 
I would be happy to respond to any questions about Yale Traditional IM program. You can message me privately if you would like. Regarding the question about heme/onc: Yale is in the process of finishing completion of 14-story, 497,000 square-foot Smilow Cancer Center, which is adjoining the main hospital. Needless to say, within the heme/onc program both the academic and clinical areas are expanding rapidly.

There is a push to recruit applicants who have an interest in research, heme/onc, but as well as others, and to setup these individuals with "fast-track" positions. In this year's intern class, fast-track positions have been offered in heme/onc, cardiology, and two other sub-specialities.

Even if you do not have a significant background in research, but would like to pursue this for education or fellowship-match purposes, the other option involves the "Research in residency (RIR)" program, which pairs interns with a research mentor of choice and provides 3 months total of dedicated research time. And if research is not your thing, and you plan on 'hospitalizing' or going into primary care...we have a fair number of these individuals as well. There is also an international health elective (IHC), and many residents do RIR and IHC...4-5 months of time for research/IHC during your 3 years is very nice.

We work hard at Yale, no doubt, but the "easy" months are wonderfully relaxing. The GOOD: Interns are well cared for, good mix of single and married that go out frequently, residents keep you motivated, chiefs are amazing at teaching/accommodating schedule changes, attendings are surprisingly approachable, tradition/history of the program, PD has your back and fellowship match has always been strong.

Downsides: not a big city (but NY/Boston/airport close by), not a "cush" program (but then you probably shouldn't have done medicine), not a sunny destination (go vacation in the Bahamas with ur 4 weeks off), q4 call (typical for most large programs), not entirely nightfloat (NF at the VA, so half the time), and not enough compensation (just kidding, we get paid 90th percentile + holiday bonus + solid benefits).
 
Here is my ROL. Want to go into GI, location not too important. 1-3 pretty set, 4-11 change daily. Any input appreciated.
1. U Mich
2. Mayo- Rochester
3. UPMC
4. USC
5. BUMC
6. Brown
7. UCI
8. Dartmouth
9. U Rochester
10. Loma Linda
11. U of Arizona
would probably put usc lower, u rochester higher
 
Greeting everyone. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on my preliminary rank list. Especially any insights pro/con on the programs I have higher up.

I think I'm pretty set on my #1 choice of Hopkins, but after that I'm really conflicted. My choices are all over the place geographically and in terms of perceived reputation. I'm interested in Cardiology in the future but also considering general internal medicine (I'm interested in Public Health/Health Policy issues). I've sort of been forced to be geographically open since my better quality choices aren't in the best cities (I didn't get interviews at the heavy hitters in Cali/NY/Boston!) so program quality/impact on career prospects are my main criteria.

Cheers!

Johns Hopkins Hospital
Wash U
Emory
Vanderbilt
Pittsburgh
Boston Univ
Univ. of North Carolina
Case Western -Univ Hospital
Albert Einstein -Montefiore
Thomas Jefferson
Cedars-Sinai
Temple
Tufts
USC
Cleveland Clinic
 
I am sorry to hear about your situation. In that case I will put
1. USC (as u mentioned ... be prepared to work hard though ... and from what I gather, there is not too much teaching going on ... but you will do so much on your own that by the end of 3 yrs you will be able to take care of anything) ABIM pass rate --> 91%
2. Loma Linda (I think I just had a bad day there ... did not get a very good sense that I would fit there...plus three people in one room even in MICU didn't seem right to me ... very minor things... nothing to do with how well they are taught things ... was not really impressed by the residents i rounded with .. again could be sampling bias .... PD seemed really nice and supportive though and so were the interviewers .... I can't put my finger on it what it was that bothered me so much but it just didn't feel right to me) -- ABIM --> 85%
3. UCSF - fresno --> seems like a decent program ... affiliation to UCSF (how that translates into fellowships afterwards is not clear from their website .. data missing after 2003) ABIM --> 92%
4. unlv (nevada) --> 93%
5. Kaiser is good but the only concern would be fellowships (if you don't get one of the few internal spots, it would be a little tougher to match outside compared to Univ-based programs ... or atleast that is what I have gathered so far) -- ABIM ---> 91%

highland hospital (alameda county) --> 85%
kern bakersfield --> 95%
san joaquin general hospital --> 82%
st. mary's san francisco --> 89%
maricopa (arizona) --> 91%


Good Luck :luck::luck::luck:


THANKS SO MUCH! :oops:) good luck with everything!
 
Greeting everyone. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on my preliminary rank list. Especially any insights pro/con on the programs I have higher up.

I think I'm pretty set on my #1 choice of Hopkins, but after that I'm really conflicted. My choices are all over the place geographically and in terms of perceived reputation. I'm interested in Cardiology in the future but also considering general internal medicine (I'm interested in Public Health/Health Policy issues). I've sort of been forced to be geographically open since my better quality choices aren't in the best cities (I didn't get interviews at the heavy hitters in Cali/NY/Boston!) so program quality/impact on career prospects are my main criteria.

Cheers!

Johns Hopkins Hospital
Wash U
Emory
Vanderbilt
Pittsburgh
Boston Univ
Univ. of North Carolina
Case Western -Univ Hospital
Albert Einstein -Montefiore
Thomas Jefferson
Cedars-Sinai
Temple
Tufts
USC
Cleveland Clinic

I only interviewed at a few of these places, so I'm by no means an expert, but I'm gonna base this off of what I've read from this website and my personal experience.

JHU
Emory (awesome Cards program, like their own residents)
Wash U
Vandy (I hear Nashville is actually a really fun place to live, residents seem happy)
Pitt
UNC
Case Western
Einstein (Can't beat the NYC patient diversity)
BU/Tufts (depends if you want a larger or smaller program)
Cleveland Clinic (obviously amazing fellowships. I interviewed there for med school and really liked it, but I hear mixed things about the medicine residency)
USC/Thomas Jefferson
Cedars-Sinai
Temple

Good luck!
 
Johns Hopkins Hospital
Wash U
Emory
Vanderbilt
Pittsburgh
Boston Univ
Univ. of North Carolina
Case Western -Univ Hospital
Albert Einstein -Montefiore
Thomas Jefferson
Cedars-Sinai
Temple
Tufts
USC
Cleveland Clinic

your list looks good as is. might put tufts higher, i hear their residents are happy.
 
Hey, just wanted to post my top 8. Let me know what you guys think good/bad. I am interested in pursuing cardiology

1. University of Pittsburgh
2. Brown
3. Montefiore
4. Case Western
5. Tufts
6. Rochester
7. Mayo Clinic
8. Jefferson
 
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