Persistence of Minecraft WW Game Thread

[LetItSnow]

So, you say you have a sketchy-sounding role?

lynch BBC. Really no reason for you to come out and give this disclaimer this early. The paranoid part of me worries you're using this to lay early villager cover.

I don't think so.

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[LetItSnow]

So, you say you have a sketchy-sounding role?

lynch BBC. Really no reason for you to come out and give this disclaimer this early. The paranoid part of me worries you're using this to lay early villager cover.

lynch Zensing... seems too opportunistic in the BBC vote.

 

[allyphoe]

I guess they could be his paintings too since it the game is sort of named after "The Persistence of Memory" ... like maybe one could be The Face of War

I have yet to find a well-known Dali painting that doesn't look like it would kill you, though. Even the ones with happy names!

I agree with the folks who have said that role names alone aren't going to give us a hint. I thought I was on to something with the "some descriptions are qualitatively different from others, and the difference is meaningful" line of reasoning, but enough people have disagreed that I now think that's not fruitful.

 

[KCgophervet]

I have yet to find a well-known Dali painting that doesn't look like it would kill you, though. Even the ones with happy names!

my fave dali painting:

 

[KCgophervet]

Reading back through, I'm inclined to agree with the Zen lynch. BBC was clearly almost painting a target on her own back, something a wolf would likely not do. Jumping on her for it sounds like it could be a wolf taking advantage of the situation. I am conflicted though for personal reasons, cuz Zen did me an awesome solid helping out with the DRoP game and didn't get to play it... terrible reason not to lynch her though, I know.

 

[KCgophervet]

Ugh I should put my money where my mouth is.

Unlynch DVMD
Lynch Zensing

(sorry zen)

 

[Abnerrs]

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[Skimble]

I think we can boil down the entire above conversation to this quote by Trilt.

Also, those thinking of characters within minecraft that might be more likely to be wolves, such as, zombies, creepers, crawlers, spider magnets and whatever else it was.... I think all of that is going to be a giant moot point. Interesting info, but absolutely worthless as far as game strategy goes.

I have this distinct feeling that roles were handed out to everyone and wolf/villager alignment was handed out randomly after that fact. Meaning that rather benign sounding role names or who you would expect to be the "good guys" can and may be wolves and those that you might suspect to be the "bad guys" can and may be villagers. This makes a lot of sense given Trilt's above comment that I quoted.

Wasn't the randomized affiliation thing done in a game or two in the past year? Maybe the Christmas game? I think it's definitely a possibility for this game too.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

I think we can boil down the entire above conversation to this quote by Trilt.

Also, those thinking of characters within minecraft that might be more likely to be wolves, such as, zombies, creepers, crawlers, spider magnets and whatever else it was.... I think all of that is going to be a giant moot point. Interesting info, but absolutely worthless as far as game strategy goes.

I have this distinct feeling that roles were handed out to everyone and wolf/villager alignment was handed out randomly after that fact. Meaning that rather benign sounding role names or who you would expect to be the "good guys" can and may be wolves and those that you might suspect to be the "bad guys" can and may be villagers. This makes a lot of sense given Trilt's above comment that I quoted.

I am going to strongly agree with the bottom portion of this. Trilt would not say "don't look at role names and don't worry about knowing the source material" if it was correlated. She tends to not put you down the wrong path off the bat (after the beginning, well, you could be SOL, but not in the rules/introduced portion)

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Wasn't the randomized affiliation thing done in a game or two in the past year? Maybe the Christmas game? I think it's definitely a possibility for this game too.

WZ's Christmas game. Only one wolf (the somewhat fake wolf) had to be a wolf, the rest were random.

 

[guisantes]

Zen's vote for BBC did seem oddly enthusiastic and the reasoning seemed kinda forced, but I'm not sure that a wolf would do something so obvious almost immediately at the start of the game. At the same time, though, I don't think that as a wolf BBC would draw attention to her role like that immediately at the start of the game either, so I'm torn.

 

[Filly Bay]

Officialish Baby Mod Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ (0) -
Promo (1) - DVMD
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC (1) - Zen
Zen (4) - Hmoo, Crayola, LIS, Kcough
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
DVMD (0) -

Abney-who-isn't-playing (3) - WZ, LotF, MJ

10/25 voting.

Pssstt, @LetItSnow, don't forget to unlynch before lynching someone new

 

[allyphoe]

Officialish Baby Mod Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ (0) -
Promo (1) - DVMD
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC (1) - Zen
Zen (4) - Ally, Hmoo, Crayola, LIS, Kcough
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
DVMD (0) -

Abney-who-isn't-playing (3) - WZ, LotF, MJ

11/25 voting.

Pssstt, @LetItSnow, don't forget to unlynch before lynching someone new

I ***unlynched Zen*** without picking a new target about 1am. Mobile so asterisk rather than bold.

 

[nyanko]

I can't handle the fact that somebody's nickname is BBC by the way. I just can't deal with this.

 

[Glammyre]

I lynched BBC because it sounded like an odd comment, as I explained. It came across as a variant of "Hi there! I'm happy I'm a villager!", which I feel she was too experienced to post. Yes, my lynch vote was strong, but part of that was because I knew BBC would have enough time (almost 24hrs) to defend herself. By starting the discussion last night, I could point out a suspicious post without creating the chance of a last-minute bandwagon.

unlynch BBC. From the general response, I'm guessing there's at least a few villagers with sketchy-sounding roles.

 

[Glammyre]

Speaking of experience and posting...

lynch Abney

if that's not someone who can actually be lynched,

lynch Zen

to pile up on someone, self preservation
don't just lynch me for being a noob guys!

Protip - Almost everyone has at least one lynch vote on them during Day 1. There is no need to send in a self-preservation vote when you have one vote, aren't even the leader, and there's an entire day before lynch closes. You're new enough that I won't lynch you for this yet.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm having flashbacks to dy's game with Zen's posts here. Major, major flashback. So unlynch abney lynch Zen

Minecraft hostiles in the Overworld: zombies, skeletons, creepers would be common. Witches and endermen are less common and more dangerous. Slimes and silverfish are technically hostile, but I'd guess unlikely. Zombie villager would be my guess for a convert; they can also be healed / converted back to regular villagers. Spiders are hostile at night and neutral during the day (that could be a cool mechanic). Guardians / Elder guardians are underwater hostile things.

Slimes are so cute though I wonder if we'll see anything from the nether here.

Yes, that is my assumption. Actually, my initial assumption was that *everyone* had an undecipherable role (consistent with Trilt's comment to not get hung up on them for finding wolves, but based on more than just that). So I'm surprised that there are now two people (you and Zen) who maybe don't have undecipherable roles.

It's way past my bedtime, so will see what morning brings.

Put me on the "not indecipherable role" list as well

Wasn't the randomized affiliation thing done in a game or two in the past year? Maybe the Christmas game? I think it's definitely a possibility for this game too.

That was my Christmas game! Because anyone could be a victim of the bah humbugs

WZ's Christmas game. Only one wolf (the somewhat fake wolf) had to be a wolf, the rest were random.

Hmmm somehow you remember things about my game that I do not

 

[DVMDream]

I'm going to unlynch promo

And lynch KCough

Her flip flop above is raising all sorts of flags for me. The very quick flip flop when things were heading Zen's direction is what makes me suspicious.

 

[KCgophervet]

I'm going to unlynch promo

And lynch KCough

Her flip flop above is raising all sorts of flags for me. The very quick flip flop when things were heading Zen's direction is what makes me suspicious.

Heh I think this is the first time someone's voted for me for unlynching them. You explained yourself further, quoted a Trilt post I apparently hadn't fully read (see my initial post in this thread for verification of my lack of reading comprehension), other people said the same, and I reread the thread and Zen's posts came off weirdly aggressive? And now I'm defending against a single vote like a noob. But I thought your lynch vote reasoning was kind of funny so I figured I'd address it. Though now that WZ voted for her I might have to reconsider yet again...

 

[WildZoo]

Though now that WZ voted for her I might have to reconsider yet again...

It's only the lynches that I start that you really have to worry about! Or the people who I think are villagers. Other ones are ok. Maybe. Sometimes. Idk, you probably should rethink it just to be safe.

 

[DVMDream]

Heh I think this is the first time someone's voted for me for unlynching them.

I like to keep it interesting.

 

[DVMDream]

Oh and it isn't because you unlynched me, it is the flip flop vote in general, wouldn't really matter who your initial vote was for. Just the flip flop came off really odd to me.

 

[KCgophervet]

Oh and it isn't because you unlynched me, it is the flip flop vote in general, wouldn't really matter who your initial vote was for. Just the flip flop came off really odd to me.

Oh yeah I figured, I mean that's what you said, but then I remembered I flip flopped off of you and it just felt ironic.

 

[genny]

Zen's vote for BBC did seem oddly enthusiastic and the reasoning seemed kinda forced, but I'm not sure that a wolf would do something so obvious almost immediately at the start of the game. At the same time, though, I don't think that as a wolf BBC would draw attention to her role like that immediately at the start of the game either, so I'm torn.

I thought Zen's vote for BBC made sense when I first read it. It's hard to pick someone out on day 1, and when BBC posts that her role description is sketchy, then voting that way feels a little better than just RNG like so many day 1 lynches. I feel that BBC maybe jumped the gun a little, and came across as preemptively defensive, since no one was questioning whether her role was sketchy at that point or not. It does put her a little higher on my radar though.

 

[nyanko]

What if BBC was just trying to make sense of what the mods posted regarding roles?

 

[nyanko]

But it's day 1, so justification for any lynch votes is pretty paltry at this point. The only people at all informed are the wolves, and I'd wager to guess they aren't going to be of much help.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Not feeling the Zen lynch. D1 is grasping at straws, usually we all jump on the first reasoning we can find. That's exactly what she (she right???) did when she voted to lynch me. I don't find that suspicious.

 

[Animal Midwife]

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Yeah, I was going to sign up, but I really have to stop procrastinating and study for finals. Don't worry though, I'll be back in the near future with new-and-improved n00by-ness!

Also, I love how my "100% confirmed" is now a thing on here.
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[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

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Yeah, I was going to sign up, but I really have to stop procrastinating and study for finals. Don't worry though, I'll be back in the near future with new-and-improved n00by-ness!

Also, I love how my "100% confirmed" is now a thing on here.
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[heyyimhayley]

Okay, just woke up and reading everything - I agree with Kam, I don't think the affiliations were randomly assigned, but based on what Trilt said, I also agree that role name doesn't really tell us much about affiliation.

Also, SOV's office life game had randomly assigned affiliations for another example of a recent one with that type of mechanism...

I don't see Zen or BBC as wolves because it's the first day and I would think the wolves wouldn't be drawing attention to themselves this early.

Will come back with a (probably RNG) lynch vote unless any other theories make me happier.

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ () -
Promo () -
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC () -
Zen (5) - Hmoo, Crayola, LIS, Kcough, WZ
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
KC (1) - DVMD

Abney-who-isn't-playing (2) - LotF, MJ

10/25 voting.

 

[guisantes]

I will Lynch hmoo for now

She jumped onto the zen lynch awfully quickly. I know other people did too, and I can understand the reasoning behind it. However, like genny said, when I first saw zen's post I actually thought it was a good observation. It's interesting that a lot of people jumped on zen for voting for BBC so quickly, but lots of people did that to zen too. Better than an RNG vote for now, but waffles are definitely possible.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I get the Zen lynch for a vote or two, but not a bandwagon. Zen's post seemed way more village than wolf to me.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Hmmm. I could follow guis' logic with a lynch hmoo. Though then I would be jumping on hmoo for jumping on Zen, which basically means I should also be lynched for my vote.

Unlynch moo

 

[guisantes]

Hmmm. I could follow guis' logic with a lynch hmoo. Though then I would be jumping on hmoo for jumping on Zen, which basically means I should also be lynched for my vote.

Unlynch moo

That's not how I meant it! I just thought the sudden bandwagon on zen was weird, especially when (in my opinion) zen's reasoning made at least some sense.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Lynch LIS

For slight feels. I don't think the Zen vote will net a wolf, and it's strange LIS is supporting it. I'm not convinced by the logic of the BBC/Zen conversion.

 

[WildZoo]

Her posts have just really reminded me of some things sobsob (I think it was him anyway) pointed out in dy's basics game, along with some other day 1 wolf posts I've seen in other games

You are right though, everything is a straw to be grasped at one day 1!

 

[WildZoo]

Also, SOV's office life game had randomly assigned affiliations for another example of a recent one with that type of mechanism...

Oh yeah! I don't like to think about that game

 

[Promethean]

I can't quite get behind the Zen lynch today, and yes, that is in large part because of the helpful NPC role played in the last one. Bad reason to lynch or not, but D1 lynches are full of bad reasons.

Thinking about how role names aren't so helpful, and of the way that there are so many duplicated characters running around Minecraft world, I wonder if some roles are duplicates of one another? Even Steve... if you play a multiplayer game, you may see several of that guy running around. Could we have more than one of the same role name on the loose in our world? Tangent, I know, and doesn't get me any closer to figuring out who to lynch, but speculation is what I do! Gotta take an exam on Medical Jurisprudence now. I'll come up with a lynchee by late this afternoon.

 

[finnickthedog]

I'm just going to leave my vote where it is for right now. It's day one. Anything is a gamble and I'm not feeling the reasoning behind any particular person. Might change my mind later in the day.

 

[WildZoo]

I can't quite get behind the Zen lynch today, and yes, that is in large part because of the helpful NPC role played in the last one. Bad reason to lynch or not, but D1 lynches are full of bad reasons.

Thinking about how role names aren't so helpful, and of the way that there are so many duplicated characters running around Minecraft world, I wonder if some roles are duplicates of one another? Even Steve... if you play a multiplayer game, you may see several of that guy running around. Could we have more than one of the same role name on the loose in our world? Tangent, I know, and doesn't get me any closer to figuring out who to lynch, but speculation is what I do! Gotta take an exam on Medical Jurisprudence now. I'll come up with a lynchee by late this afternoon.

Well, I guess it depends. I would be surprised to see duplicates of the more Dali-based role names. But I suppose we could see Minecraft duplicates. Then again, if that were the case, I would think Trilt would have had an easier time adjusting up the number of players in the game. It seems like maybe she had a set of 24 roles and was able to add 1, but more than that would be difficult, and if duplication were a thing I would expect it to have been easier for her to do that.

 

[heyyimhayley]

That's not how I meant it! I just thought the sudden bandwagon on zen was weird, especially when (in my opinion) zen's reasoning made at least some sense.

@Kam325 I know you usually like that kind of theory. Someone suggests something wolfy about someone else that doesn't really make sense, wolves go "yep that sounds right" and vote too.

 

[Skimble]

I can't quite get behind the Zen lynch today, and yes, that is in large part because of the helpful NPC role played in the last one. Bad reason to lynch or not, but D1 lynches are full of bad reasons.

Thinking about how role names aren't so helpful, and of the way that there are so many duplicated characters running around Minecraft world, I wonder if some roles are duplicates of one another? Even Steve... if you play a multiplayer game, you may see several of that guy running around. Could we have more than one of the same role name on the loose in our world? Tangent, I know, and doesn't get me any closer to figuring out who to lynch, but speculation is what I do! Gotta take an exam on Medical Jurisprudence now. I'll come up with a lynchee by late this afternoon.

Trilt has done duplicate roles before, so I wouldn't be surprised. Rick and Morty and favorite things both had duplicate roles.

 

[LetItSnow]

Officialish Baby Mod Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ (0) -
Promo (1) - DVMD
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC (1) - Zen
Zen (4) - Hmoo, Crayola, LIS, Kcough
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
DVMD (0) -

Abney-who-isn't-playing (3) - WZ, LotF, MJ

10/25 voting.

Pssstt, @LetItSnow, don't forget to unlynch before lynching someone new

Baby mod, cool your jets.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

If there is duplicate roles, do they usually involve communication with each other? I know the sloths did in Favourite Things, but that is the only game I have seen that in.

 

[LetItSnow]

I thought Zen's vote for BBC made sense when I first read it. It's hard to pick someone out on day 1, and when BBC posts that her role description is sketchy, then voting that way feels a little better than just RNG like so many day 1 lynches. I feel that BBC maybe jumped the gun a little, and came across as preemptively defensive, since no one was questioning whether her role was sketchy at that point or not. It does put her a little higher on my radar though.

Great. So what are you going to vote and why?

 

[WildZoo]

If there is duplicate roles, do they usually involve communication with each other? I know the sloths did in Favourite Things, but that is the only game I have seen that in.

Sometimes. I've seen that in a couple other games as well.

 

[LetItSnow]

Okay, just woke up and reading everything - I agree with Kam, I don't think the affiliations were randomly assigned, but based on what Trilt said, I also agree that role name doesn't really tell us much about affiliation.

Also, SOV's office life game had randomly assigned affiliations for another example of a recent one with that type of mechanism...

I don't see Zen or BBC as wolves because it's the first day and I would think the wolves wouldn't be drawing attention to themselves this early.

Will come back with a (probably RNG) lynch vote unless any other theories make me happier.

unlynch zensing and anyone else I forgot to unlynch so that baby mod is happy

lynch heyimhayley because I'm sick of this RNG bs every game. Pick a reason for a vote so that you can be held to it and asked about it later. You're either a wolf or you're helping wolves when all you do is drop in, RNG a vote, and bail.

 

[LetItSnow]

Lynch LIS

For slight feels. I don't think the Zen vote will net a wolf, and it's strange LIS is supporting it. I'm not convinced by the logic of the BBC/Zen conversion.

See? I like this vote. I don't like that it's on me, but I like the play.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Sometimes. I've seen that in a couple other games as well.

It isn't always though?

I was thinking more along the lines of whether or not anyone would know for sure if there is duplicates. If there isn't any communication between them, then we could very well have duplicates where even the duplicates have no idea.