Persistence of Minecraft WW Game Thread

[WildZoo]

Attempt at WW-related content: On the intro post on the signup thread, Steve dies, and his watch reads 04:12. But on the game thread, after the death and before the desk-smash, the watch shows 04:08. So time is running backwards, or possibly unpredictably. Minecraft modded to run Dali's physics engine?

Oh that's a good catch!
I know a lot about Minecraft but not a lot about Dali so this should be interesting.
At first glance I thought it was maybe a countdown timer (hours:minutes). But i see now in both writeups it says "the time" so probably not.

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[Devastating]

First!

Lynch DVMD

 

[KCgophervet]

True story, actually have been to the Dali museum in Figueres, Spain. Bought a cool poster there, no idea where it ended up.

 

[Trilt]

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I spent two hours pulling a squid into an aquarium I built a couple weeks ago.

Two. Hours.

His name is Fred. There's a second one who got away named Franklin who just wanders the nearby rivers... that is what that game does to you.

PS (again): In case anyone wants to meet Fred...

 

[allyphoe]

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PS (again): In case anyone wants to meet Fred...

Nice! I put color-coordinated carpet squares over my irrigation canals, because they keep me from falling in when I harvest my crops. But I love the look of your oasis!

 

[allyphoe]

After reading my role name/description, I can see why Trilt gave the warning to not trust them too much in terms of bagging a wolf

Minecraft wolves are neutral / non-hostile unless attacked, and can easily be converted to allies (dogs) by giving them bones. (This is trivia, unrelated to my current working theory of game mechanics, but I thought I'd put it out there in case it was useful to anyone else.)

 

[Kam325]

Minecraft wolves are neutral / non-hostile unless attacked, and can easily be converted to allies (dogs) by giving them bones. (This is trivia, unrelated to my current working theory of game mechanics, but I thought I'd put it out there in case it was useful to anyone else.)

Oh man, would be interesting to see a reverse conversion mechanism this game...

 

[Kam325]

Oh man, would be interesting to see a reverse conversion mechanism this game...

Although now that I think of it this would make next to zero sense unless all the wolves were lone wolves. Don't mind me....

 

[Kam325]

Does me saying something stupid and then immediately pointing out the stupidity to myself count as two content posts? If so I've got this on lock.

 

[KCgophervet]

Okay so what are we looking for as possible wolves in this game? Zombies? Creeps? Skeletons? Someone who's played the game more than I have (I'm safely dug into the side of a cliff for the night if anyone is wondering) want to chime in?

 

[Promethean]

I appreciate DVMD following through with a D1 vote for me. Would rather that didn't go anywhere, though, of course.

My content laden posts and lynch votes are going to have to wait until tomorrow afternoon, most likely. I need to read up on Minecraft. I get the basics, but I haven't played it myself. Just bought a lot of themed merchandise for the children of my extended circle of family and friends. There are lots of critters in the game, from what I've seen in the toy aisle.

 

[Glammyre]

After reading my role name/description, I can see why Trilt gave the warning to not trust them too much in terms of bagging a wolf

So, you say you have a sketchy-sounding role?

lynch BBC. Really no reason for you to come out and give this disclaimer this early. The paranoid part of me worries you're using this to lay early villager cover.

 

[allyphoe]

Minecraft hostiles in the Overworld: zombies, skeletons, creepers would be common. Witches and endermen are less common and more dangerous. Slimes and silverfish are technically hostile, but I'd guess unlikely. Zombie villager would be my guess for a convert; they can also be healed / converted back to regular villagers. Spiders are hostile at night and neutral during the day (that could be a cool mechanic). Guardians / Elder guardians are underwater hostile things.

 

[Kam325]

Zombie villager would be my guess for a convert; they can also be healed / converted back to regular villagers.

This is what I meant above....you couldn't "convert back" someone who'd already joined a wolf pack since they'd then know who all the wolves were.

 

[Kam325]

This is what I meant above....you couldn't "convert back" someone who'd already joined a wolf pack since they'd then know who all the wolves were.

Unless the conversion mechanism created directionless Zombie lone wolves who weren't added to the wolf chat.

 

[allyphoe]

So, you say you have a sketchy-sounding role?

lynch BBC. Really no reason for you to come out and give this disclaimer this early. The paranoid part of me worries you're using this to lay early villager cover.

I considered that, too. But considering my own role name and description, I re-read it not as sketchy-sounding, but as "provides no useful information whatsoever."

So lynch Zen, on the grounds that you might have a role / description that provides useful information, or that is otherwise vastly divergent from others'.

 

[allyphoe]

Unless the conversion mechanism created directionless Zombie lone wolves who weren't added to the wolf chat.

Bunch of lone wolves would make sense in Minecraft, because hostile mobs don't coordinate, other than in not attacking each other. Although, now that I think of it, Minecraft villagers don't really coordinate (or they would not keep walking in and out of the door!). It's Steve who can coordinate with other Steves.

Not sure if we're wandering too far down the Minecraft path, without taking the Dali angle into account.

 

[Kam325]

I considered that, too. But considering my own role name and description, I re-read it not as sketchy-sounding, but as "provides no useful information whatsoever."

So lynch Zen, on the grounds that you might have a role / description that provides useful information, or that is otherwise vastly divergent from others'.

Are you referring to the fact that your role doesn't explicitly say that you're a villager? Trilt said in the rules that they won't, and we should assume we're village unless told otherwise.

 

[Devastating]

I have the game sitting in a folder on my laptop, but I've only actually sat down and played it once I think...it was with friends on a server one of them made. I (and everyone else besides the server starter) had absolutely no idea what we were doing when it came to crafting and had to be walked through every step But she made a house with rooms for everyone, mine had a pet cat and chicken! Wish it was already my weekend so I could play without staying up to ungodly hours...

 

[nyanko]

Minecraft hostiles in the Overworld: zombies, skeletons, creepers would be common. Witches and endermen are less common and more dangerous. Slimes and silverfish are technically hostile, but I'd guess unlikely. Zombie villager would be my guess for a convert; they can also be healed / converted back to regular villagers. Spiders are hostile at night and neutral during the day (that could be a cool mechanic). Guardians / Elder guardians are underwater hostile things.

Didn't Trilt say not to worry about role names and descriptions for who could be wolves and to rely more on actions?

lynch Kam325 you talk too much

 

[allyphoe]

Are you referring to the fact that your role doesn't explicitly say that you're a villager?

Nope. If I told you my role name, it would give you zero information about anything other than the overall weirdness level of the game. So I read BBC's comment to be "wow, role names really are useless for wolf-hunting, because mine gives you zero information." Zen read it as "BBC is trying to spin it as all role names are sketchy." I conclude from that that Zen's role name is qualitatively different from mine and BBC's, and since I know I'm a villager, I suspect that Zen may not be.

Better than RNG, even if I am voting to lynch the person I can PM with. :/

 

[Promethean]

This is what I meant above....you couldn't "convert back" someone who'd already joined a wolf pack since they'd then know who all the wolves were.

Unless they came back with a firm post restriction regarding what they know, and/or a lynch restriction of some kind. There is always a way to make a crazy mechanic work.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

So, you say you have a sketchy-sounding role?

lynch BBC. Really no reason for you to come out and give this disclaimer this early. The paranoid part of me worries you're using this to lay early villager cover.

Eh, I was trying to find some comment that could seem somewhat content-oriented. No one had mentioned anything about Trilt's advice yet, and I thought it was fair enough to point out that from my end that advice was panning out.

Day 1 small talk is the best

 

[hazelmoo]

Are you referring to the fact that your role doesn't explicitly say that you're a villager? Trilt said in the rules that they won't, and we should assume we're village unless told otherwise.

I had to ask to confirm.

So, you say you have a sketchy-sounding role?

lynch BBC. Really no reason for you to come out and give this disclaimer this early. The paranoid part of me worries you're using this to lay early villager cover.

I saw it more as she was saying that her role/name wasn't an exact representation of her affiliation. If she were a wolf, I don't think she would have blatantly brought attention to herself like that.

Lynch Zen

 

[Kam325]

Nope. If I told you my role name, it would give you zero information about anything other than the overall weirdness level of the game. So I read BBC's comment to be "wow, role names really are useless for wolf-hunting, because mine gives you zero information." Zen read it as "BBC is trying to spin it as all role names are sketchy." I conclude from that that Zen's role name is qualitatively different from mine and BBC's, and since I know I'm a villager, I suspect that Zen may not be.

Better than RNG, even if I am voting to lynch the person I can PM with. :/

Yeah, I don't really agree with that read. And it kind of contradicts itself, since you're now assuming all the villagers would have similarly indecipherable roles.

 

[allyphoe]

Yeah, I don't really agree with that read. And it kind of contradicts itself, since you're now assuming all the villagers would have similarly indecipherable roles.

Yes, that is my assumption. Actually, my initial assumption was that *everyone* had an undecipherable role (consistent with Trilt's comment to not get hung up on them for finding wolves, but based on more than just that). So I'm surprised that there are now two people (you and Zen) who maybe don't have undecipherable roles.

It's way past my bedtime, so will see what morning brings.

 

[StartingoverVet]

i wanna lynch WZ cause, she always skates by.
And I wanna lynch LIS cause well. Lemon party.

But I don't want to lynch anyone who is really talkative, but I don't really know the less veteran people too well.

So I am going to lynch crayola cause WW is not a children's game. Even though I always say never lynch the noobiest noob, I am tired of being consistent. So there's that.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Yes, that is my assumption. Actually, my initial assumption was that *everyone* had an undecipherable role (consistent with Trilt's comment to not get hung up on them for finding wolves, but based on more than just that). So I'm surprised that there are now two people (you and Zen) who maybe don't have undecipherable roles.

It's way past my bedtime, so will see what morning brings.

maybe some of us just have a better ability at deciphering stuff?

 

[Kam325]

Yes, that is my assumption. Actually, my initial assumption was that *everyone* had an undecipherable role (consistent with Trilt's comment to not get hung up on them for finding wolves, but based on more than just that). So I'm surprised that there are now two people (you and Zen) who maybe don't have undecipherable roles.

It's way past my bedtime, so will see what morning brings.

I think you might be misinterpreting my point.

I'm not saying giving you my role name would tell you categorically whether I am villager or wolf. But it didn't sound like Zen was saying that either.

I read BBC's post as saying she had a role that could seem relatively sketchy based on the name alone, but was a villager. Trilt likes to include those.

I don't agree with Zen's suspicion that BBC was trying to set up a cover for later. But I don't think that suspicion means Zen has a role that is fundamentally different from the other villagers. There will be plenty of people who have roles and abilities that don't sound sketchy right off the bat.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

I think you might be misinterpreting my point.

I'm not saying giving you my role name would tell you categorically whether I am villager or wolf. But it didn't sound like Zen was saying that either.

I read BBC's post as saying she had a role that could seem relatively sketchy based on the name alone, but was a villager. Trilt likes to include those.

I don't agree with Zen's suspicion that BBC was trying to set up a cover for later. But I don't think that suspicion means Zen has a role that is fundamentally different from the other villagers. There will be plenty of people who have roles and abilities that don't sound sketchy right off the bat.

I read BBCs post as "I have a sketchy sounding role name, remember that for when I try to convince you I am a villager anyway."
And BBC may be telling the truth, or it may be a set up. Either way it set up this wonderful chain reaction of responses that gives insight into other players and their responses to their roles... which is helpful, and if BBC is meta gaming it, possibly the whole point.

 

[DVMDream]

RESOURCES
More for your amusement and edification than anything... I very much suggest making sure to depend on peoples' actions and words vs. roles in this game.

I think we can boil down the entire above conversation to this quote by Trilt.

Also, those thinking of characters within minecraft that might be more likely to be wolves, such as, zombies, creepers, crawlers, spider magnets and whatever else it was.... I think all of that is going to be a giant moot point. Interesting info, but absolutely worthless as far as game strategy goes.

I have this distinct feeling that roles were handed out to everyone and wolf/villager alignment was handed out randomly after that fact. Meaning that rather benign sounding role names or who you would expect to be the "good guys" can and may be wolves and those that you might suspect to be the "bad guys" can and may be villagers. This makes a lot of sense given Trilt's above comment that I quoted.

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ (1) - LIS
Promo (1) - DVMD
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC (1) - Zen
Zen (2) - Ally, Hmoo
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
Abney-who-isn't-playing (3) - WZ, LotF, MJ

9(+3)/25 voting.

 

[Kam325]

I think we can boil down the entire above conversation to this quote by Trilt.

Also, those thinking of characters within minecraft that might be more likely to be wolves, such as, zombies, creepers, crawlers, spider magnets and whatever else it was.... I think all of that is going to be a giant moot point. Interesting info, but absolutely worthless as far as game strategy goes.

I have this distinct feeling that roles were handed out to everyone and wolf/villager alignment was handed out randomly after that fact. Meaning that rather benign sounding role names or who you would expect to be the "good guys" can and may be wolves and those that you might suspect to be the "bad guys" can and may be villagers. This makes a lot of sense given Trilt's above comment that I quoted.

I agree with almost all of this, but I doubt affiliation was randomly assigned. Trilt puts a lot of effort into theme-ing and balancing, so I'd guess she had roles/abilities allocated to each side at the start.

But yeah, I'm sure there will be plenty of sketchy sounding village and friendly sounding wolves.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I think we can boil down the entire above conversation to this quote by Trilt.

Also, those thinking of characters within minecraft that might be more likely to be wolves, such as, zombies, creepers, crawlers, spider magnets and whatever else it was.... I think all of that is going to be a giant moot point. Interesting info, but absolutely worthless as far as game strategy goes.

I have this distinct feeling that roles were handed out to everyone and wolf/villager alignment was handed out randomly after that fact. Meaning that rather benign sounding role names or who you would expect to be the "good guys" can and may be wolves and those that you might suspect to be the "bad guys" can and may be villagers. This makes a lot of sense given Trilt's above comment that I quoted.

A far more eloquent way of stating what I meant to achieve in my comment

 

[DVMDream]

I agree with almost all of this, but I doubt affiliation was randomly assigned. Trilt puts a lot of effort into theme-ing and balancing, so I'd guess she had roles/abilities allocated to each side at the start.

But yeah, I'm sure there will be plenty of sketchy sounding village and friendly sounding wolves.

Considering how much she emphasized in both the sign up thread and this one that theme isn't going to matter and to not focus on roles, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Randomly assigning alignment does happen and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was the case for this game.

 

[KCgophervet]

Officialish Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ (1) - LIS
Promo (1) - DVMD
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC (1) - Zen
Zen (2) - Ally, Hmoo
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
Abney-who-isn't-playing (3) - WZ, LotF, MJ

9(+3)/25 voting.

Hey look, @Abney is still winning!

BTW it somehow became midnight and I have not even started one of my discharges and still have to come up with discussion questions for rounds tomorrow, but I have a lovely stone house now and have mined some interesting looking materials... priorities right?

To toss in a lynch vote here,

Lynch DVMD

because I'm not sure I agree with the randomly assigned roles/affiliations theory and it makes me wonder if this is true thought or wolf trying to set up cover.

 

[KCgophervet]

@BeautifulBritishColumbia if you wanted to open a PM with me I wouldn't be sad about it

 

[DVMDream]

because I'm not sure I agree with the randomly assigned roles/affiliations theory and it makes me wonder if this is true thought or wolf trying to set up cover.

100% true thought.... based on the post I already quoted and this one as well by Trilt in the sign up thread:

It will very much hurt people if they depend too much on roles/themes in this game in particular. It is a mish-mash held together with a different story. I know I always say people don't need to know the theme, but truly... in this one it will mostly just help you get jokes.

If you rely on roles and typical affiliation this game, it is going to hurt you.... that is coming straight from the mod god's mouth. Can't even make it up.

 

[Abnerrs]

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you guys are dorks
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[vetmedhead]

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I'm personally waiting for people to start theorizing about who wolves could be based on Dali's enemies.
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[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

@BeautifulBritishColumbia if you wanted to open a PM with me I wouldn't be sad about it

Your wish is my command

 

[morninqlory]

Ok, who is Steve? Is he an NPC or is he who you are in the game or something else? How does he die? Who is the upset young man? The player? Does any of that even matter?

I've only played Minecraft for like 2 minutes before I was like... I don't understand the goal. Done.

 

[Crayola227]

lynch Abney

if that's not someone who can actually be lynched,

lynch Zen

to pile up on someone, self preservation
don't just lynch me for being a noob guys!

 

[allyphoe]

Ok, who is Steve? Is he an NPC or is he who you are in the game or something else? How does he die? Who is the upset young man? The player? Does any of that even matter?

I've only played Minecraft for like 2 minutes before I was like... I don't understand the goal. Done.

Steve is the character you play. More recently, you've been able to play with a face other than the standard Steve face (my avatar is Alex, the other stock character). He's killed by something in the game (hostile mob / monster, lava, falling off a cliff, starvation, drowning - there are lots of dumb ways to die). Upset young man is the player.

I think it doesn't matter, for whatever that's worth. I've contributed a bunch to the Minecraft angle, because I know something about Minecraft, but I don't personally think that the WW wolves are either Minecraft wolves or Minecraft hostile mobs. If I knew anything about the enemies of Salvador Dali, I'd probably be talking about them!

 

[morninqlory]

Steve is the character you play. More recently, you've been able to play with a face other than the standard Steve face (my avatar is Alex, the other stock character). He's killed by something in the game (hostile mob / monster, lava, falling off a cliff, starvation, drowning - there are lots of dumb ways to die). Upset young man is the player.

I think it doesn't matter, for whatever that's worth. I've contributed a bunch to the Minecraft angle, because I know something about Minecraft, but I don't personally think that the WW wolves are either Minecraft wolves or Minecraft hostile mobs. If I knew anything about the enemies of Salvador Dali, I'd probably be talking about them!

I guess they could be his paintings too since it the game is sort of named after "The Persistence of Memory" ... like maybe one could be The Face of War

 

[morninqlory]

Enough WW for the night... gotta go see a man about some pigs early in the morning.

 

[allyphoe]

I don't personally think that the WW wolves are either Minecraft wolves or Minecraft hostile mobs.

Although re-reading, it certainly looks like I think those things. I am just a sucker for rhetorical speculation.

Since I don't see much support for my "everyone with a role has an indecipherable role" theory, I'm going to

***unlynch Zen***

 

[Crayola227]

if you're interested in Dali



I've studied Spanish and its history, including the Spanish Civil War and the movement led by the Generation of '27, involving Dali and Garcia Lorca. They had a very complex and passionate relationship and the psychology of Dali is very interesting. Lorca being homosexual was likely part of the motive behind his execution by the Nationalist forces. All of this is somewhat of a backdrop in the movie, which I found compelling for its history, emotion, politics, and art.

I happen to like Robert Pattinson as an actor, I think he does a great job playing Dali in this film. If you're a fan of Dali I think a look at this biopic can enrich appreciation of his art.

 

[LetItSnow]

Oh man, would be interesting to see a reverse conversion mechanism this game...

Ugh. Please. Dear God. Just ... no. It will have some contrived stupidity, or it will be 'sorta converted', or .... ugh. Just... no.

 

[LetItSnow]

Does me saying something stupid and then immediately pointing out the stupidity to myself count as two content posts? If so I've got this on lock.

Kam, that's the <only> way I get my post counts done.