Persistence of Minecraft WW Game Thread

[Kam325]

Yeah...on one hand, I kind of understand the Zen vote because I think bandwagons are actually pretty smart D1, as long as they're done early. There aren't usually any really good reasons to vote for anyone, and if you stack enough votes on one person, they get a chance to defend early enough in the cycle for people to move off to someone else (who will ideally also get time to defend). A smattering of 1-2 votes on a bunch of different people up until the last hour or two is how we end up lynching our seer D1.

On the other hand, I don't agree with Zen's read on BBC, but I also didn't think that read sounded wolfy, or fabricated. It's too early for the wolves to need to make up reasons to vote for people. No one else (besides Abs ) even had two votes. But thin reasoning against her has no bearing on whether or not she's a wolf, so...

I'm going to Lynch Zen despite not loving the reasoning behind it, because I want a clear lynch leader who knows they need to defend before the last minute so we can hopefully **** this up less than we have in the past.

@Zensing

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[LetItSnow]

It isn't always though?

I was thinking more along the lines of whether or not anyone would know for sure if there is duplicates. If there isn't any communication between them, then we could very well have duplicates where even the duplicates have no idea.

There have been games with duplicates where the duplicates had no idea. And in at least one of them one of the duplicates was a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

It isn't always though?

I was thinking more along the lines of whether or not anyone would know for sure if there is duplicates. If there isn't any communication between them, then we could very well have duplicates where even the duplicates have no idea.

I don't think it happens every time...no, it definitely doesn't, we've had games with vanilla villagers that were "Citizen from x" or something along those lines and they didn't communicate with each other.

 

[KCgophervet]

unlynch zensing and anyone else I forgot to unlynch so that baby mod is happy

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

For my lynch vote I'm going to go with one of the people who bandwagoned Zen. In terms of theories so far, I think that one is the most likely to be correct. Most likely because I would not bet any serious money on it. However, I haven't found anything better.

Lynch Ally because despite her very limited post count she seems to be playing like she is familiar with how the game works. Noobness not noticed yet. Coaching???

 

[Glammyre]

For my lynch vote I'm going to go with one of the people who bandwagoned Zen. In terms of theories so far, I think that one is the most likely to be correct. Most likely because I would not bet any serious money on it. However, I haven't found anything better.

Lynch Ally because despite her very limited post count she seems to be playing like she is familiar with how the game works. Noobness not noticed yet. Coaching???

Remember that @allyphoe was invited by Trilt, so she's not a random new player who signed up on the fly. I took her posts to mean she's played games like this before.

Good catch, though. Ally, response?

 

[genny]

Great. So what are you going to vote and why?

I was thinking Ally or Hmoo, for starting up the Zen lynch.

 

[heyyimhayley]

I'm sick of this RNG bs every game. Pick a reason for a vote so that you can be held to it and asked about it later. You're either a wolf or you're helping wolves when all you do is drop in, RNG a vote, and bail.

Understood to an extent, but my point was that statistically I think an RNG would be more likely to be a wolf than a theory about someone who said something sketchy on Day 1 because my point was that usually wolves are more careful than to draw attention to themselves (I understand and have seen exceptions - I'm just speaking in general) so that in my eyes someone who says something "sketchy" like BBC would probably be more likely to be a villager than anyone else that I would RNG anyway...

 

[LetItSnow]

Understood to an extent, but my point was that statistically I think an RNG would be more likely to be a wolf than a theory about someone who said something sketchy on Day 1 because my point was that usually wolves are more careful than to draw attention to themselves (I understand and have seen exceptions - I'm just speaking in general) so that in my eyes someone who says something "sketchy" like BBC would probably be more likely to be a villager than anyone else that I would RNG anyway...

The problem with that line of thinking is that it wastes the opportunity to engage - or more specifically, to force OTHER people to engage. So then D2 where are you? You still don't know anything about anybody except the one person who got randomly lynched and whoever died overnight. You can't examine anyone's votes on D1 because hell, it was RNG'd, so you can't exactly hold it against them. So on D2 you're like "uhhhhhhhhhh don't know anything, so RNG lynch so-n-so". And so on.

 

[allyphoe]

Lynch Ally because despite her very limited post count she seems to be playing like she is familiar with how the game works. Noobness not noticed yet. Coaching???

Lol! I was scratching my head over the Crayola lynch on grounds of noobieness, when I am clearly more of a noob.

My join date is December 2013, and I joined entirely for the purpose of lurking WW more conveniently. (I'm a tax CPA, and my only SDN interests are WW, seeing what kind of bad tax advice non-tax people hand out, and general insatiable curiosity.) So I have been paying attention to people's gripes about WW noobs for 2.5 years, and that (hopefully) makes me a less nooby-seeming noob. I have no prior experience actually playing either WW or Mafia, online or off, and have been woefully unsuccessful guessing wolves as a lurker, but Trilt said I should play anyhow.

So I have a reason for not looking as nooby, but it's a pretty atypical reason.

 

[StartingoverVet]

But it's day 1, so justification for any lynch votes is pretty paltry at this point. The only people at all informed are the wolves, and I'd wager to guess they aren't going to be of much help.

really? Good wolves are usually REALLY helpful. Just not in finding themselves.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Understood to an extent, but my point was that statistically I think an RNG would be more likely to be a wolf than a theory about someone who said something sketchy on Day 1 because my point was that usually wolves are more careful than to draw attention to themselves (I understand and have seen exceptions - I'm just speaking in general) so that in my eyes someone who says something "sketchy" like BBC would probably be more likely to be a villager than anyone else that I would RNG anyway...

if wolves were smart all the time, they would win way more often...
oh wait, they do win all the time lately..

Hmmm.

 

[StartingoverVet]

O

Also, SOV's office life game had randomly assigned affiliations for another example of a recent one with that type of mechanism...

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Recently? I am not sure of your definition of recently, or I am not sure of my memory, cause I can't remember the last game I modded. It seems ages ago.

 

[WildZoo]

Recently? I am not sure of your definition of recently, or I am not sure of my memory, cause I can't remember the last game I modded. It seems ages ago.

It was within the last year. I think.

 

[nyanko]

My join date is December 2013, and I joined entirely for the purpose of lurking WW more conveniently. (I'm a tax CPA, and my only SDN interests are WW, seeing what kind of bad tax advice non-tax people hand out, and general insatiable curiosity.) So I have been paying attention to people's gripes about WW noobs for 2.5 years, and that (hopefully) makes me a less nooby-seeming noob. I have no prior experience actually playing either WW or Mafia, online or off, and have been woefully unsuccessful guessing wolves as a lurker, but Trilt said I should play anyhow.

YO I pretend to be an accountant on long flights with chatty people so they don't tell me stories about their pets so we are pretend colleagues.

 

[heyyimhayley]

It was within the last year. I think.

I think I've been playing less than 1 year, so I think it had to have been

 

[KCgophervet]

Recently? I am not sure of your definition of recently, or I am not sure of my memory, cause I can't remember the last game I modded. It seems ages ago.

It was with me! I'm sad you don't remember... @Cephal0pod made the awesome items like the ficus tree?
Edit: I baby modded with you

 

[Devastating]

Eh, not feeling zen (except for purposes of pressure for info, but I doubt we'd net anything lunching her). Her response was zealous but understandable, considering it's day 1 and looking for anything remotely of interest, blah, blah, blah, I'm sure this has been discussed already.

 

[Trilt]

It was with me! I'm sad you don't remember... @Cephal0pod made the awesome items like the ficus tree?
Edit: I baby modded with you

Just have to see when "we" (you) first made the DRoP spreadsheet.

 

[Trilt]

Officialish Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ () -
Promo () -
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC () -
Zen (5) - Hmoo, Crayola, Kcough, WZ, Kam
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
KC (1) - DVMD
Hmoo (1) - Guis
LIS (1) - PBC
Hayley (1) - LIS
Ally (1) - BBC

Abney-who-isn't-playing (2) - LotF, MJ

15/25 voting.

Tallying from mobile so something is probably wrong, please double check.

Deadline 9PM EST.

 

[Trilt]

And lastly, welcome @Ceke2002 as an NPC. She's a harmless little Slime, just bouncing around and figuring out things for future games.

 

[Ceke2002]

And lastly, welcome @Ceke2002 as an NPC. She's a harmless little Slime, just bouncing around and figuring out things for future games.

 

[dyachei]

The problem with that line of thinking is that it wastes the opportunity to engage - or more specifically, to force OTHER people to engage. So then D2 where are you? You still don't know anything about anybody except the one person who got randomly lynched and whoever died overnight. You can't examine anyone's votes on D1 because hell, it was RNG'd, so you can't exactly hold it against them. So on D2 you're like "uhhhhhhhhhh don't know anything, so RNG lynch so-n-so". And so on.

This. So much this. If you don't force engagement beyond RNG votes, you don't have anything to work off of for the rest of the game.

I was thinking Zen felt really off in her posts, but I do not like how quickly a bandwagon is forming day 1

 

[Mad Jack]

Unlynch Abney, Lynch Kam

 

[WildZoo]

And lastly, welcome @Ceke2002 as an NPC. She's a harmless little Slime, just bouncing around and figuring out things for future games.

Aw I love slimes She must be a tiny one if she's harmless!

 

[WildZoo]

Officialish Day 1 Lynch Tally
WZ () -
Promo () -
Guis (1) - Finn
DVMD (1) - Deva
BBC () -
Zen (6) - Hmoo, Crayola, LIS, Kcough, WZ, Kam
Kam (1) - Nyanko
Crayola (1) - SOV
KC (1) - DVMD
Hmoo (1) - Guis
LIS (1) - PBC
Hayley (1) - LIS
Ally (1) - BBC

Abney-who-isn't-playing (2) - LotF, MJ

15/25 voting.

Tallying from mobile so something is probably wrong, please double check.

Deadline 9PM EST.

LIS unlynched Zen

 

[Trilt]

LIS unlynched Zen

Jeebus we harass him about it and I still screw up!

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

I would like to hear something from Zen, because I agree the lynch felt very like the last time he was a wolf, but I also want to hear from someone else too so we have more info than one pressed person and a last minute landslide to elsewhere.

So Lynch Kam as second place.

Give me something to work with for tomorrow please!

 

[StartingoverVet]

It was with me! I'm sad you don't remember... @Cephal0pod made the awesome items like the ficus tree?
Edit: I baby modded with you

i remember the game, not it being "recent". Of course if "in the last year" is recent, then ok... but recent is the last few months to me.

 

[Abnerrs]

Unlynch Abney, Lynch Kam

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[WildZoo]

i remember the game, not it being "recent". Of course if "in the last year" is recent, then ok... but recent is the last few months to me.

More recent than my Christmas game, which was also mentioned but was Christmas 2014

 

[Mad Jack]

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You just wait

 

[LetItSnow]

i remember the game, not it being "recent". Of course if "in the last year" is recent, then ok... but recent is the last few months to me.

I would think that for someone whose life is on the scale your life is, WW itself is all recent......

 

[LetItSnow]

This. So much this. If you don't force engagement beyond RNG votes, you don't have anything to work off of for the rest of the game.

I was thinking Zen felt really off in her posts, but I do not like how quickly a bandwagon is forming day 1

.. And then Zen vanished. If it weren't for sharing the same sense of bandwagon unease, I'd probably switch my vote back now.

 

[WildZoo]

.. And then Zen vanished. If it weren't for sharing the same sense of bandwagon unease, I'd probably switch my vote back now.

I've been sitting here waiting for her to say anything, or for one of the people she can PM to say anything. She popped in after the wagon had started and Kam had tagged her, but responded to BBC's vote for ally and not to anything else.

 

[Skimble]

If there is duplicate roles, do they usually involve communication with each other? I know the sloths did in Favourite Things, but that is the only game I have seen that in.

In Rick & Morty the duplicates could not communicate and didn't know about eachother.

 

[Kam325]

If @genny will be around closer to close, I'll reveal to her in PM if I end up in the lead.

 

[KCgophervet]

I've been sitting here waiting for her to say anything, or for one of the people she can PM to say anything. She popped in after the wagon had started and Kam had tagged her, but responded to BBC's vote for ally and not to anything else.

I mentioned this to my PM buddies, but this is one of the reasons I'm inclined to let the bandwagon go. From the perspective of wolf-Zen:

1) Wolf-Zen saw BBC claim that sketchy role names might not be so sketchy
2)Wolf-Zen licks her chops with glee, thinking she's found an easy lynch target to get the rest of the villagers to rally behind her on, and if she did have a sketchy role name well no one could blame her for wanting to test the theory
3) Wolf-Zen pounces, trying to get the bandwagon started
4) Bandwagon starts, but against wolf-Zen instead!
5) Instead of mounting a defense, wolf-Zen hunkers down and hopes people will defend for her and back off because now she's in trouble and doesn't know how to get out of it, maybe posts once or twice about unrelated stuff to try to direct attention elsewhere

 

[Promethean]

I'm going with lynching of Zen, though I don't love it. I wanted to give it more thought, but I'm called away to an unexpected event this evening and may not be back in time to waffle about.

LYNCH ZEN

 

[Mad Jack]

Unlynch kam- had too much fun last game to lynch you like this.

lynch hayley

 

[Promethean]

I mentioned this to my PM buddies, but this is one of the reasons I'm inclined to let the bandwagon go. From the perspective of wolf-Zen:

1) Wolf-Zen saw BBC claim that sketchy role names might not be so sketchy
2)Wolf-Zen licks her chops with glee, thinking she's found an easy lynch target to get the rest of the villagers to rally behind her on, and if she did have a sketchy role name well no one could blame her for wanting to test the theory
3) Wolf-Zen pounces, trying to get the bandwagon started
4) Bandwagon starts, but against wolf-Zen instead!
5) Instead of mounting a defense, wolf-Zen hunkers down and hopes people will defend for her and back off because now she's in trouble and doesn't know how to get out of it, maybe posts once or twice about unrelated stuff to try to direct attention elsewhere

See, though, wouldn't wolf-Zen have wolfy friends who would try to float some alternatives or otherwise distract from her bandwagon?

Meanwhile non-wolf Zen would be, at this point, a choice target for the wolves to join in lynching... or at least enough of them to ensure that it happens.

Eh. I hope I get back in time to reconsider my vote, based on the convos in the meantime.

 

[KCgophervet]

See, though, wouldn't wolf-Zen have wolfy friends who would try to float some alternatives or otherwise distract from her bandwagon?

Meanwhile non-wolf Zen would be, at this point, a choice target for the wolves to join in lynching... or at least enough of them to ensure that it happens.

Eh. I hope I get back in time to reconsider my vote, based on the convos in the meantime.

Either or both could be happening. It would be dangerous for a fellow-wolf to mount too much of a defense, though some people have spoken up in soft-defense for her (their names are in my spreadsheet in case she turns up wolf). Likewise, it would be smart for a co-wolf to jump on the bandwagon, hopefully earning some village-cred while doing so. It's a full on WIFOM and hard to interpret either way.

Edit: these are both for wolf-Zen. It could also be villager-Zen is busy and trying not to be too defensive and wolves could jump on her lynchwagon for an easy kill. Again, without a defense from her it's hard to decide, and of course a lot of this is based on feeeels

 

[DVMDream]

See, though, wouldn't wolf-Zen have wolfy friends who would try to float some alternatives or otherwise distract from her bandwagon?

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Like KCough? Who tried that at first, then realized it wasn't going to work so she awkwardly flip-flopped?

At this point, wouldn't be wise for a wolf to fight or distract away from the Zen lynch. Would be way too obvious. That is, if Zen is a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

See, though, wouldn't wolf-Zen have wolfy friends who would try to float some alternatives or otherwise distract from her bandwagon?

Meanwhile non-wolf Zen would be, at this point, a choice target for the wolves to join in lynching... or at least enough of them to ensure that it happens.

Eh. I hope I get back in time to reconsider my vote, based on the convos in the meantime.

We have had several people trying to push the lynch away, or at least suggesting looking elsewhere, saying they are uncomfortable with it, etc. But if Zen is a wolf, most fellow wolves would not try to save her once things get going. It puts them under the spotlight once she flips.

Meanwhile you don't often see multiple wolves jumping on a villager bandwagon day 1. Also makes them look bad, and they don't usually like to vote together if they can avoid it.

 

[LetItSnow]

Unlynch kam- had too much fun last game to lynch you like this.

lynch hayley

Why?

 

[KCgophervet]

Like KCough? Who tried that at first, then realized it wasn't going to work so she awkwardly flip-flopped?

At this point, wouldn't be wise for a wolf to fight or distract away from the Zen lynch. Would be way too obvious. That is, if Zen is a wolf.

Drop your bone, it's not going to net you a wolf I didn't awkwardly flip flop, I reread through the thread and picked up sketchy Zen vibes. As time is passing, nothing has taken away those sketch vibes. When you find a better target, you switch your lynch vote. Plus my reasons for voting you originally were pretty thin, especially upon rereading (as I assume were your initial reasons for voting promo, and then when you got sketch vibes from me you switched to me, same story different players).

 

[Mad Jack]

Why?

Coming off of Kam? Because I don't feel like lynching someone I enjoy playing with outright. Lynching Hayley? They've got votes and it makes my vote matter.

 

[DVMDream]

Drop your bone, it's not going to net you a wolf I didn't awkwardly flip flop, I reread through the thread and picked up sketchy Zen vibes. As time is passing, nothing has taken away those sketch vibes. When you find a better target, you switch your lynch vote. Plus my reasons for voting you originally were pretty thin, especially upon rereading (as I assume were your initial reasons for voting promo, and then when you got sketch vibes from me you switched to me, same story different players).

My original reason for voting promo was because I told him I was going to. That's my gift to him from last game.

And it is possible you reread and changed your mind, I still read back through your flop and find it sketchy.

 

[allyphoe]

I've been sitting here waiting for her to say anything, or for one of the people she can PM to say anything. She popped in after the wagon had started and Kam had tagged her, but responded to BBC's vote for ally and not to anything else.

Well, since one of those people is me, who started this whole mess, and the other is dy, who posted earlier that she had bad Zen vibes, I don't think the adjacent-so-can-PM people are going to be much help.

 

[Glammyre]

Sigh. I *have* posted my defense of my reasoning, and apparently that wasn't enough.

Since no one's budging, I'll at least give my role-name to explain my initial reasoning for the BBC lynch.

I am a Mooshroom, a villager. Apparently, they're these cure little things.

As a non-enemy spawn, I was suspicious of people suggesting they have enemy spawn roles. If I'm a character, what about regular cows, chickens, or sheep? Roles don't even need to be living - pickaxe, chest, crafting table, etc. Plenty to go around without sketchy-sounding roles.

From the backlash on the thread, I saw that I was wrong, and I withdrew my BBC vote. Right now, I'm waiting to see what other people discuss while I decide who to lynch.