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So Dy and LIS both switched their votes from Fin yesterday (Dy's switch was supposedly to save Abs). They were playing us all day, but I wonder if there's anything to it.
 
PrincessButterCup said:
So Dy and LIS both switched their votes from Fin yesterday (Dy's switch was supposedly to save Abs). They were playing us all day, but I wonder if there's anything to it.
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LIS didn't even show up until he was driving the nails in Abney's coffin. Pretty sure he was never voting for me.
 
Craaaap. I had no idea my rez had even a slight chance of coming back wolf, sorry :eggface:
At least he's already gone again, but he managed to cause that Abs cluster...
 
I still feel like there's something to MQ. KC thought that DVMD would be Dy's conversion choice, so it's worth considering her, as well.
 
PrincessButterCup said:
Oops, not that he waffled off you, but that he got the lynch train to move away from you.
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You were actually in the lead with MQ and I tied for second. The lynch train was already moving away from me. I don't think dy and LIS are foolish enough to draw attention to me in that manner when I was already close to surviving the lynch.

PrincessButterCup said:
Per the shoe hat: there were two wolf conversion opportunities.
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What exactly did you ask it? When I asked "how many conversion opportunities do the wolves get?" the answer was one.
If you phrased it differently this might clear deva.
 
And I have no idea how bringing back a wolf could possibly clear Deva
 
Yes so I guess Promo/Steve could be an original wolf who used the wolf conversion on you and Deva was the villager who converted LIS then... That could work in my book
 
morninqlory said:
Yes so I guess Promo/Steve could be an original wolf who used the wolf conversion on you and Deva was the villager who converted LIS then... That could work in my book
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Nice try, but no. How do you explain Promo converting WZ to village (from neutral)?
 
morninqlory said:
And I have no idea how bringing back a wolf could possibly clear Deva
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"Clear" was a poor choice of words. It suggests that she may be telling the truth about being a villager because it suggests that there is a possibility of a villager converting a wolf. This is based on the answer we received about conversions from shoe hat. There is one traditional conversion and one non-traditional conversion. Deva could easily fit the description of non-traditional converter.

As far as abney vouching for you, I never considered it a particularly strong vouch. It was enough to put you on the back burner earlier in the game but it doesn't get rid of the suspicion. I doubted that both you and abney were wolves, but it would surprise me at all for one of you to be.

It would also make sense for you to back up abney the way you did before she got lynched. There was little chance of turning it around at that point and if you were a wolf you knew she would come out villager and then you'd be able to use that as a defense.

morninqlory said:
Yes so I guess Promo/Steve could be an original wolf who used the wolf conversion on you and Deva was the villager who converted LIS then... That could work in my book
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Promo readily lynched Dy before she was in the lead when we were having a last minute bandwagon switch. Dy went from zero to lynched very quickly. I doubt Promo is a wolf (unless recently converted) because of that.

lynch MQ
 
Sorry if you're village, but at this point I don't see any other possibilities.

lynch MQ
 
finnickthedog said:
It would also make sense for you to back up abney the way you did before she got lynched. There was little chance of turning it around at that point and if you were a wolf you knew she would come out villager and then you'd be able to use that as a defense.
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I didn't back up Abney earlier because YOU decided we were one or both wolves and I didn't think if everyone decided they should take your word that it would be at all helpful for her. I then was out at a friends and couldn't keep up with all of the stuff popping up on my phone fast enough to get anything in. Also I didn't know she was going to be up for lynch until y'all decided to turn it on her at the last minute... Following some "I've known since I died that she was a wolf" nonsense that LIS brought. Seriously? And no one questioned him at all! The only thing we know about you is ... Nothing still if I recall.
 
KC told me Fin's ability and role name, and she doesn't appear to be a threat. She could certainly be wolf aligned but I want to see where today goes first.
 
morninqlory said:
I didn't back up Abney earlier because YOU decided we were one or both wolves and I didn't think if everyone decided they should take your word that it would be at all helpful for her. I then was out at a friends and couldn't keep up with all of the stuff popping up on my phone fast enough to get anything in. Also I didn't know she was going to be up for lynch until y'all decided to turn it on her at the last minute... Following some "I've known since I died that she was a wolf" nonsense that LIS brought. Seriously? And no one questioned him at all! The only thing we know about you is ... Nothing still if I recall.
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This is blatantly incorrect. I never claimed both of you were wolves, in fact that was the one possibility I had ruled out. Here, let me quote for you:

finnickthedog said:
Abney is vouching for MQ if I recall correctly so I doubt that both of them are wolves. I would say one or other or neither but not both.
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Page 29 Post #1428 if you want the full post.

I wasn't saying that defending Abney makes you a wolf. I was saying that it doesn't provide a solid defense because a wolf would probably readily make the same exact move.

Also, I fully revealed my role to Nyanko and KC. KC has apparently shared it with PBC.
So you can stop saying that we know nothing about me. It isn't true.

The more you talk today the more sketchy you're sounding. Especially this recent attempt to rewrite history and make me sound bad.
 
finnickthedog said:
This is blatantly incorrect. I never claimed both of you were wolves, in fact that was the one possibility I had ruled out. Here, let me quote for you:



Page 29 Post #1428 if you want the full post.

I wasn't saying that defending Abney makes you a wolf. I was saying that it doesn't provide a solid defense because a wolf would probably readily make the same exact move.

Also, I fully revealed my role to Nyanko and KC. KC has apparently shared it with PBC.
So you can stop saying that we know nothing about me. It isn't true.

The more you talk today the more sketchy you're sounding. Especially this recent attempt to rewrite history and make me sound bad.
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I mean, I know nothing about you except that you claim a passive ability. That's also the easiest role to fake. So, I'm not convinced.

I'm still suspicious of mq too but I'm keeping my vote where it is based on yesterday's lynch fiasco.
 
Sorry y'all. I'm not around much today. I had to nip out of a lab early to come check on how things are going. I have a student government meeting coming up next, and then I should be free to check in long before lynch close
 
So let's let the one person we know has the highest likelihood of being a wolf get away today... The one we know resurrected a wolf because you don't think we could both not be wolves. Yeah ok.
 
I mean would they make it that easy? wolf resurrects wolf? I guess if they didn't expect us to know that Deva had a rez ability. Who initially outed her rez ability? Was it dyachei?
 
DVMDream said:
I mean, I know nothing about you except that you claim a passive ability. That's also the easiest role to fake. So, I'm not convinced.

I'm still suspicious of mq too but I'm keeping my vote where it is based on yesterday's lynch fiasco.
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You know nothing about me. That may be true. However MQ said "we" know nothing about me and that simply isn't true because I have revealed to multiple people. If a public reveal becomes necessary I can go there, but jumping to that only benefits the wolves and I lose any potential to be useful--not that I have much potential at this point anyways.

Also, I could probably semi-verify my role but only if someone acted on me because again, it's passive. It's not my fault that no one has bothered with me this entire game. Nyanko said the other day she was tired of hearing how uneventful my nights were. Imagine how annoyed I am with that... being that the mods tell me something to that effect every morning.
 
Yeah. That was my big mouth. I forced her hand, so that she had to use the ability last night. If I'd kept my mouth shut, it could have been a lot more useful at end game. Assuming that whoever she rezzed didn't come up wolf.
 
morninqlory said:
So let's let the one person we know has the highest likelihood of being a wolf get away today... The one we know resurrected a wolf because you don't think we could both not be wolves. Yeah ok.
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Also not what I said. Let me quote for you again:

finnickthedog said:
Abney is vouching for MQ if I recall correctly so I doubt that both of them are wolves. I would say one or other or neither but not both.
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In the last Trilt game, the DRoP game that immediately preceded this one, ressurections had a percentage chance of coming up as some other alignment. It is possible that in this one Deva didn't know that the person she rezzed would have the potential to come back as a wolf. I don't think that the unwarranted faith that villagers placed in LIS should reflect onto her.
 
It's a known ww mechanic that some rez'd players end up converted without their resurrector knowing. I think that is very likely what happened with Deva and LIS.
 
And the only reason I am not in support of lynching Deva at the moment is because of the answers we received from shoe hat. We know that there is a non-traditional conversion in the game in addition to a traditional one. A villager resurrecting a wolf would fit that non-traditional theme. I suppose any rez conversion could be considered "non-traditional" but that seems to be pushing it. It had to be non-traditional enough that the mods forgot about it when they gave me the initial shoe hat answer. Do you have alternate suggestions for a non-traditional conversion? My ears are open.
 
PrincessButterCup said:
It's a known ww mechanic that some rez'd players end up converted without their resurrector knowing. I think that is very likely what happened with Deva and LIS.
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Not to say that this always happens, but it can, and it makes sense in this situation.
 
Based on what MQ just told me in PM, I would encourage people to look elsewhere for lynch today. It is always possible she's wolf as I don't have a mod confirmed statement she is villager but I would really strongly suggest we look elsewhere based on what she told me.
 
DVMDream said:
Based on what MQ just told me in PM, I would encourage people to look elsewhere for lynch today. It is always possible she's wolf as I don't have a mod confirmed statement she is villager but I would really strongly suggest we look elsewhere based on what she told me.
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Did she tell you her role or name? Why does it seem so trustworthy?
 
DVMDream said:
Based on what MQ just told me in PM, I would encourage people to look elsewhere for lynch today. It is always possible she's wolf as I don't have a mod confirmed statement she is villager but I would really strongly suggest we look elsewhere based on what she told me.
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Based on my interactions with finn I don't want to lynch her either. What do we know about hayley again?
 
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