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Ok so essentially everyone has someone "vouching" for them. But almost none of it is based on anything communicated through the mods really.
 
But really, I'm going to unlynch mq and lynch Deva because even if she unwittingly rezzed a wolf as a villager, her usefulness aside from "numbers" is spent and I don't have any idea who else to pick at this point.
 
nyanko said:
But really, I'm going to unlynch mq and lynch Deva because even if she unwittingly rezzed a wolf as a villager, her usefulness aside from "numbers" is spent and I don't have any idea who else to pick at this point.
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Based on the numbers though, if we screw up today I think we really have no wiggle room to mess up tomorrow. So I'd really rather not screw up today.
If we take out Deva, I'd like to do it because she's very likely a wolf not just because she's the easiest to lose and we don't know where else to look.
 
Okay, so I know that Cray Cray said that she'd be sleeping all day until lynch time... though that seems like a REALLY long time to be sleeping all day, ya know?

But if we are hunting a convert, who seriously would be better than someone who had been Mod confirmed as village?

She tried to claim that she was the kind of innocent child who couldn't be converted, but I haven't seen any mod confirmation of that. It was only listed as one variant of the role that is sometimes used. There is no way for us to know if she is that variant, but she kinda tried to slip it in there that she was. I'll go back and find the quote.

I'd be a lot happier lynching her (yes, even if she isn't here to defend right now, hopefully she will be before lynch close) than I am with just about anyone else.
 
Promethean said:
Okay, so I know that Cray Cray said that she'd be sleeping all day until lynch time... though that seems like a REALLY long time to be sleeping all day, ya know?

But if we are hunting a convert, who seriously would be better than someone who had been Mod confirmed as village?

She tried to claim that she was the kind of innocent child who couldn't be converted, but I haven't seen any mod confirmation of that. It was only listed as one variant of the role that is sometimes used. There is no way for us to know if she is that variant, but she kinda tried to slip it in there that she was. I'll go back and find the quote.

I'd be a lot happier lynching her (yes, even if she isn't here to defend right now, hopefully she will be before lynch close) than I am with just about anyone else.
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Yeah, that claim of sleeping all day seemed weird to me too.

We're also hunting an original wolf and I think those are usually easier to find but I'd be happier lynching Crayola over Deva. The shoe hat has just made me think that Deva is less likely.
 
finnickthedog said:
Promo readily lynched Dy before she was in the lead when we were having a last minute bandwagon switch. Dy went from zero to lynched very quickly. I doubt Promo is a wolf (unless recently converted) because of that.
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Not only did I happily lynch Dy, but I was on the Genny wagon before it was a definite thing. If I were an original wolf, I'd be playing pretty crazy to try to actively lynch my whole faction. I guess it is always possible that I was converted, sure. But I wasn't. I doubt the wolves would take that risk with me. It is well known that I hemorrhage information and can't keep my dang mouth shut... Seriously, I spilled my guts about Deva's power in the thread, even though the whole reason she was telling it to me in PM was to keep it off the thread. I'm just saying, if I were picking a convert, I'd pick someone better at staying under the radar than me.
 
If I were a wolf and I were converting Cray, I would instruct her to lay low. Her posts are like mine were in my first game... kinda high strung and taking everything very seriously. She could easily over react to being up for lynch again, and that very reaction might be what gave her away.

If she were a convert, her current sleeping for more than 10 hours status would make good cover and let her avoid attention.

(When you read this Crayola, please don't get too upset. I do know that people do have lives outside the game, and those do sometimes require night shifts, etc. No one is using your real life against you... it is just that we do have to assess all of the possibilities. No harm intended.)
 
I wish it was yesterday so I could feel better about this lynch.

As it stands, I'm not super confident in anybody... but mq has come off as odd to me today.

The lynch was also turning in her direction yesterday when LIS showed up to mow down Abney BUT that could really go either way. Would lis risk throwing suspicion on a wolf to keep them from being lynched? Maybe, maybe not.

On the flip side DVMD encourages to look elsewhere. Based on what, we do not know, but I'd like to assume it's significant.

I don't like this lynch cycle at all. I have a bad feeling that no matter what we do, we're going to screw it up.
 
Well I hope this will help inform y'all...

I have an investigative role. I am the reason PBC, KC, and Abs were in the write-up. I also know who Abney tracked on all of her three nights. I looked into Abney night before last because I didn't know if I could trust her when we were talking about my ability... After this we began working together... I'm not a wolf.

That is all.
 
Also did the hat all possible conversions in the game or only all possible conversions to wolf by anyone? If the former, then the claimed WZ conversion from neutral to village could be that other one...
 
This place is way quiet.

finnickthedog said:
On the flip side DVMD encourages to look elsewhere. Based on what, we do not know, but I'd like to assume it's significant.
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And this actually stands out to me... DVMD was also where Dy found a lot of vouching cover. I just keep coming back and back to that. I'm not saying that makes DVMD a wolf... I'm saying that they've been fooled before.

Lynch MQ
 
ninja'd by the new info... I didn't post that after reading it and considering it.

I don't want to mess up and kill another investigator, it is true. I'm going to have to think a little more, and quickly.

We can't verify accuracy of your intel with Abney, now. And wolves do have ways of getting behind the scenes info, too.

I don't want to mess this up and pick the wrong one.
 
I'd be comfortable having this conversation again tomorrow, if we had a target to move to.

Seriously, isn't it weird that Crayola hasn't poked her nose in once? It is half an hour to lynch. I'm just saying.
 
finnickthedog said:
Yeah, that claim of sleeping all day seemed weird to me too.

We're also hunting an original wolf and I think those are usually easier to find but I'd be happier lynching Crayola over Deva. The shoe hat has just made me think that Deva is less likely.
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you can look at my post history

I stay up to like 4 am then crash
 
I mean, I get it. Tomorrow, I'm going to be stuck in a car on my way to a conference at 7a, and then actually attending it until after 9pm. It will be hard for me to do much more than steal a moment here and there. That is why I'm so happy to have basically laid all my defenses and info out on the line, because there isn't going to be a lot of time to do it all again.

But, we are basically at endgame. There isn't a lot of room to lynch the wrong person.
 
I personally still feel crayola is likely unconvertible but yeah I could be wrong... It's just how I read the wiki
 
and I mentioned in the JDH ww (where I was villager) that I sleep like 10-12 hours when I sleep

so that's not a made up detail is my point
 
I don't deny that I could be convertible, it just hasn't happened lol
(I don't expect people to believe that just saying)

and I wouldn't follow wolf advice to lay low, because that's stupid obvious wolf behavior
 
Crayola227 said:
you can look at my post history

I stay up to like 4 am then crash
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See, and I get that... but for 16 hours?

You are on a different time zone than me. So, maybe that cuts it to 12. It sounds glorious, really. I'm getting by on 5-6, so maybe that is why I find it so suspicious.
 
morninqlory said:
I personally still feel crayola is likely unconvertible but yeah I could be wrong... It's just how I read the wiki
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It was pretty clear that there were several variants. She was the one who said that she knows that she is the unconvertable kind. That alone, that she claimed to have knowledge of that specifically when the link specified that it was just one flavor of the role, is a big part of what bothers me.
 
In the interest of not having this lynched flipped on me in the last ten minutes, because I know I'm a person regarded with some suspicion, I'm going to be very transparent. I think my usefulness to the village is about shot anyways because it's clear that nobody wants to look into me. Which, by the way, I find frustrating when I've been a topic of conversation long enough.

I'm a (paranoid) chicken. My passive ability is to possibly learn information about anyone who visits me. As far as I can tell based on days of "uneventful", no one has bothered. Frankly, I think this ability would be odd to stick on a wolf but I'll leave that you guys to decide.

I have a hard time with investigative roles that don't provide information to the village. So MQ, I have to ask, what have you given us directly or indirectly?

Crayola does set off bells by claiming to be inconvertible because I don't recall that coming up during her initial reveal but I'm not entirely sold on MQ yet. Wolves get investigative roles too. I'd like to hear more before I waffle my vote (but I am here until deadline so I can easily change between now and then).
 
I just see it as great potential wolf cover. If the assumption that she were unconvertable were wrong, we'd basically hand the games to the wolves, as we carried on not lynching her until it became too late.

That opportunity is too juicy not to explore. If the wolves tried and found her unconvertable, presumably that wouldn't use up their only chance to try with someone else. My power certainly kept working, even when I used it on someone that it didn't apply to.
 
Promethean said:
That opportunity is too juicy not to explore. If the wolves tried and found her unconvertable, presumably that wouldn't use up their only chance to try with someone else. My power certainly kept working, even when I used it on someone that it didn't apply to.
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Actually, depending on how the game is structured they could potentially lose that ability if they tried on someone who wasn't convertible. It doesn't carry some risk. If they did convert her, I would imagine they considered that.
 
morninqlory said:
Well I hope this will help inform y'all...

I have an investigative role. I am the reason PBC, KC, and Abs were in the write-up. I also know who Abney tracked on all of her three nights. I looked into Abney night before last because I didn't know if I could trust her when we were talking about my ability... After this we began working together... I'm not a wolf.

That is all.
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I didn't quote or tag you in the last post so I'm going to ask again. What helpful information have you indirectly or directly given the village?

Wolves have investigators too. Being one doesn't automatically clear you. I need more information to make a decision here.
 
I can see what promo is saying about crayola.

In terms of what I have contributed to the village... I had not found a wolf yet as far as I could tell. I only can look every other night and when Abs and I discussed this she was slightly weary also because her ability was so similar.

I didn't know PBC was a Minecraft wolf when I called her out early in the game I just knew it said lone wolf... Well what should I have done with that info?! I tried to bring it to yalls attention so we could deal with it. Once everyone settled on her not being a threat I let it fall by the wayside... Though I still don't consider her completely cleared in my book
 
Trilt said:
Crayola is a villager.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child
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Here, I dug it out. Re-read the article.

Here she is claiming that it says something that it doesn't.

Crayola227 said:
I heard that in the thread someone asked the hat or shoe or whatever how many converts were possible, and it was only 1.

I don't know what that puts the wolf tally at.

And it's ridiculous, according to Trilt's link I can't be converted. Which would make sense because if they wolves didn't know that they could waste a turn on it.
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I mean, really?
 
I mean should I have told the village every time I decided someone was clear like

"Hey guys I'm picking so-and-so to go in the write-up tonight... Hope you wolves are ok with it and don't night kill me, but just want to let everyone know that I'm investigating."
 
"Hey guys I decided to look at KC last night... She was that rabbit you saw eating grass. Just want to make sure EVERYONE KNOWS"
 
I guess I hadn't considered that there was the risk of losing the conversion opportunity entirely.

I'm trying to think like a wolf, but I'm not sure that I'm very good at it.

I still think that the chance to have a wolf who had been previously verified as town and who had managed to convince everyone that she was above conversion would be too sweet a fruit not to take the risk.

And if the alternatives are killing someone who I personally feel pretty sure of vs killing maybe the only active investigative role we have left...?
 
I am game to switch but don't think many people are here... Think I'm done for.
 
It is too late to turn the tide tonight. No way we'd get the votes in time, and something screwy could happen in the switch over.

If we did let MQ live, maybe he could investigate Finn? Maybe paranoid chicken could check it out? Unless of course one of them came up dead by wolfkill.

I hate this part of the game.
 
morninqlory said:
I mean should I have told the village every time I decided someone was clear like

"Hey guys I'm picking so-and-so to go in the write-up tonight... Hope you wolves are ok with it and don't night kill me, but just want to let everyone know that I'm investigating."
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Clearly not.

It just causes me to be somewhat skeptical when an investigative role does not deliver any useful information. Because, as pointed out, wolves get investigative roles too and it's an easy way to get out of being lynched because it's a concrete role you can prove that people are scared to lynch.

I'm not saying you are lying. I'm just telling you why I have to consider it.

If you are a villager and you get lynched I imagine we lose because I'll probably get lynched tomorrow for pushing two villagers in a row... and it would be fair.
But if you are a wolf and I let you slip by I'll be kicking myself for days for not sticking with my gut.

Whoever the wolves are, are probably laughing it up right about now.
 
Well I look forward to seeing who the real wolves are in the coming days.
 
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