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Kam325 said:
The reason was literally right before.

BBC misunderstanding T4 was one thing, but you jumping on it like it was somehow a wolf tell right after people explained what it meant was absurd. I've seen plenty of wolves eager to go with weird, bad logic just to put a name on the board.
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People didn't start explaining until after I voted for T4C. And it wasn't to put a name on the board. At this point in the game I only lynch someone if they've done sketchy things and to put on pressure.
 
Animal Midwife said:
People didn't start explaining until after I voted for T4C. And it wasn't to put a name on the board. At this point in the game I only lynch someone if they've done sketchy things and to put on pressure.
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That is patently untrue. You quoted CDC's explanation in the same post where you voted.

Someone voting for someone else for a stupid reason is one of my number one triggers to throw a vote down.
 
Unofficial Day 5 Crickets Lynch Tally

DocE (1) - DVMD
Snowy () -
cdo () -
Fireman (1) - kc
T4C (3) - Coop, SOV, Fern
Ceke (9) - DocE, trh, Jil, nohika, cdo, dpmd, Haxx, AM, T4C
AM (1) - Kam

15/26 votes
Lynch deadline... 5 hours (10pm EDT)
 
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Kam325 said:
That is patently untrue. You quoted CDC's explanation in the same post where you voted.

Someone voting for someone else for a stupid reason is one of my number one triggers to throw a vote down.
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I quoted cdo because I was explaining why it T4C's wording didn't make sense to me. Is cdo's explanation official and overrides any doubts I may have?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Well, I suppose I should go back to my old ways of trusting everyone and giving secrets to the wolves since doubting is dumb.
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Yeah, that's not what this is about. Your arguments for voting for people need to make sense. I mean, I guess they don't *need* to, but don't act shocked if super super flimsy reasoning gets me to vote for you.
 
Kam325 said:
Yeah, that's not what this is about. Your arguments for voting for people need to make sense. I mean, I guess they don't *need* to, but don't act shocked if super super flimsy reasoning gets me to vote for you.
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It made sense to me and the three other people who were voting that way at the time. Just because my views don't align with yours doesn't mean their dumb.
 
Animal Midwife said:
It made sense to me and the three other people who were voting that way at the time. Just because my views don't aligned with yours doesn't mean their dumb.
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BBC didn't know that there were only two people in the group when she first posted. You were the one who came in and grabbed on, even though, let's be honest, it doesn't make any sense to assume "called the group I'm in with soy that we chat within a 'group chat'" somehow translates to wolf. It makes you look eager. I just think it's an absurdly silly leap of reasoning to make. You're entitled to vote however you want, but I'm entitled to take note when your vote makes it look like you're grasping at straws.
 
I feel like am is playing differently than when she was a wolf (which you missed lol, Kam).

I'd like to hear from Ceke before voting that way. I'm perhaps slightly more chaos inclined than most, especially in an STL game, and I think this is early in the game to require their obliteration.
 
Kam325 said:
BBC didn't know that there were only two people in the group when she first posted. You were the one who came in and grabbed on, even though, let's be honest, it doesn't make any sense to assume "called the group I'm in with soy that we chat within a 'group chat'" somehow translates to wolf. I just think it's an absurdly silly leap of reasoning to make. You're entitled to vote however you want, but I'm entitled to take note when your vote makes it look like you're grasping at straws.
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As I said before, calling it group chat makes more sense to me as a noob slip-up than something from an experienced player. And I like how how the "grasping at straws" thing contradicts what you said D1.
 
I'm not switching my vote from where it is because I personally still think it is legitimate.

If lynching Ceke will give Ny some extra info I will be happy to switch to her if at a certain point she is no longer in the lead. Also Ceke, if you are chaos it is usually best to just stay quiet and hope you don't get seered. Announcing it basically guarantees that a few people will start gunning for your lynch.
 
1) I don't think voting to lynch T4C for what may be a minor mis-statement is actually all that bad. Sometimes when you are a wolf you phrase things differently because of your state of mind. However, in this case, I don't generally think anyone would consider the wolf chat a group chat and mix them up, but it isn't impossible. I neither credit nor applaud a vote for that reason. We have found wolves for making smaller slip-ups (and if I weren't so senile, I would remember them). Still, I had other reasons for T4C, this doesn't make me any more or less to keep my vote there, so for now I will.

2) I am not a "lynch the chaos" player. I have been chaos so many times and rarely have I been anti-village, more just pro-fun. I would be a hypocrite to lynch ceke without more info on her role abilities and alliance. Hell last game I accidentally help point out 2 wolves being chaotic. he he he.
Voting to lynch chaos is always a good wolf move to deflect attention from themselves. And FWIW, I have only played in a few games where chaos wins over village, and I don't really like those designs (but that is another point).
 
StartingoverVet said:
2) I am not a "lynch the chaos" player. I have been chaos so many times and rarely have I been anti-village, more just pro-fun. I would be a hypocrite to lynch ceke without more info on her role abilities and alliance. Hell last game I accidentally help point out 2 wolves being chaotic. he he he.
Voting to lynch chaos is always a good wolf move to deflect attention from themselves. And FWIW, I have only played in a few games where chaos wins over village, and I don't really like those designs (but that is another point).
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Sure it's tough for chaos to win outright but the fact that most chaos have a win condition means they are not solely on the side of the village and may act in ways that help themselves over helping village. I have a hard time keeping chaos around. "Pro fun" is not always "pro village".
 
Okay, I made myself a leans list out of my spreadsheet because it helps me sort out my thoughts and is helpful to come back to later.

Strong village lean:
Ferny - sounds exactly like she usually sounds for village, posting reads, etc. I'm comfortable here.
Coops - Based on behind the scenes PMing, fairly confident she's village
FB - as has been pointed out. If wolf, translating for Kam is veeery ballsy
Jilary - IDK. Everyone always thinks she's sketch but I've played a number of games with her and she's coming off strong village rn.

Slight village lean:
DVMD - outside of rl issues, sounds village. Placed as slight because rl issues
nyanko - I've made quite a few notes on my spreadsheet of things Ny has posted with a little "I agree!" appended to the end. Leaning village
SOV - Again, sounding village to me, but I haven't played enough games with them to say for sure. Gut feeling leans village
Snowy - Again, mostly based on behind the scenes PMs. Good game analysis. Still not 100% sure why they ended up as mayor, which is why my lean is only slight. I don't like unknowns, and they usually come back to bite me in the butt based on past WW experience


Neutral/no info:
that redhead - had as mild village, slid down after being second to corroborate ceke claiming chaos. Ceke said that they h.ad PMed their plan to PM buddies long before this came out, which made me raise my eyebrows so moving back to neutral for now
DocE - confusing. Lynch avoidance. But if Kam is wolf, DocE is likely villager. Do not like how Ceke being chaos seemed to come out only after they knew for a while (Assumption on my part based on Ceke sending his/her plan the day before and assuming that the clim t being chaos was made then as well). Leaving in neutral for now.
Trilt - I have both wolf points and village points here. Leaving in neutral pending further notes
Haxx - Ferny made a good point that they mentioned an item early on in the game which doesn't seem like a wolfy thing. However, I do have "ghosting?" put on my spreadsheet
nohika - was village. Now ?
cdo - not playing like their usual self. However, gave a reason for it. Also I was totally convinced last game they were a wolf and they weren't, so going to put more analysis on this one
kcoughli - some points in both categories. Need to reread to shift better one way or the other
smplyvanillasoy - no real info. Believable noob. However, noobs can be wolves that are harder to detect too, so leaving neutral for now
LotF - no real info on my sheet
Genny - same, no real info of note
AM - Leaning neutral. Some wolf points, some village points from things said on thread. Might shift to slight village


Slight wolf lean:
Ceke - obviously people are saying chaos, and I just really didn't like the post content/tone from the past two days. Set my sketch-o-meter off
Fireman - ghosting? I honestly forgot they were playing until I checked my spreadsheet. Could be a good tactic for a wolf in a large game like this
dds - going back and rereading posts mostly just makes my head hurt. I understand that this is probably just playing role to an extreme, but could also be a good tactic for a wolf trying to hide in plain sight
dpmd - another one I have "ghosting?" on my spreadsheet, though not to the extent of others. Going here for now, pending further rereads.
T4C - I dunno, on re-read my tingles are going off. Not counting the whole group pm comments because I think that was just a difference in woridng. Feels at this point combined with a general lack of game thoughts on thread, basically just parroting others. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 pm partner, you can still contribute on thread with some original ideas.

Strong wolf lean:
Kam - multiple lynch avoidance. Assassin avoidance. Sounds pretty alpha-wolfish to me.


So I'm fine going with anyone off of my list of wolf leans. Seems like most are going with Ceke and that's fine, since chaos obviously has to go at some point. However, I'd really like to catch a wolf soon so I'm putting my vote somewhere else for now.

Lynch T4C

Based on most wolf points from my spreadsheet, from the above reasons.
 
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I was kind of hoping Ceke would check in to explain her role a little more before lynch close, but she's on the other side of the world, right? So might not get answers until after she's dead? I don't understand her motivation for revealing her affiliation in PM. It's just asking for trouble.

I'd rather lynch chaos than mislynch another villager, so
lynch ceke
 
Hm I definitely don't mind the ceke vote, I'm of the camp "If it's not village it needs to die". However, I'm not voting T4C because of the odd statement, I'm voting because s/he has literally contributed nothing to the game and I feel that's more prevalent that a potentially chaos player. Also, Doc E drop of that info is sketchy to me. It's very wolfy IMO to chaos hunt, and is completely pulling away from the T4C vote if s/he a wolf. So, I'll be leaving my vote where it it, but I will not upset if ceke goes.
 
ddstothecor said:
I'm going to be out of pocket for most of tomorrow, but I may catch up in the afternoon schedule and sneak away time permitting. I guess you could say real life is breaking (my) eggs in the worst way. Just in case, I will recite the people who have excited my feelers in ways many of you can only imagine:

1) Ceke - I've seen this person be very analytical. Now, it's hither and dither, wishy and washy with no sense of direction or astuteness.
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Yeah I'm not quite on top of my game, at least for posting in the thread. Right now I'm kinda swamped with trying to renovate a bathroom that was messed up by previous house owners, scraping paint and sanding is triggering off my asthma (despite using a respirator for protection), and I'm not well on top of all of that. Hence my brain is just not thinking clearly, apart from to try and so some stuff behind the scenes to flush wolves out or confirm village.
 
Coopah said:
Hm I definitely don't mind the ceke vote, I'm of the camp "If it's not village it needs to die". However, I'm not voting T4C because of the odd statement, I'm voting because s/he has literally contributed nothing to the game and I feel that's more prevalent that a potentially chaos player. Also, Doc E drop of that info is sketchy to me. It's very wolfy IMO to chaos hunt, and is completely pulling away from the T4C vote if s/he a wolf. So, I'll be leaving my vote where it it, but I will not upset if ceke goes.
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I hesitate to defend DocE since he's usually trouble but I wouldn't say he was "chaos hunting". Ceke dropped the information openly and completely without prompting through PM.
 
that redhead said:
I hesitate to defend DocE since he's usually trouble but I wouldn't say he was "chaos hunting". Ceke dropped the information openly and completely without prompting through PM.
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Still, lynch of opportunity.

Yes, chaos should be lynched but I'm sticking with my DocE vote because I think he's wolfy.

Also, was anyone in the lead prior to Doc dropping that info? Potentially trying to pull attention away from someone.
 
I am a villager, I am also able to receive messages from the dead.

I told my PM partners that I was chaos, but villager chaos working for the good of the village, which to me meant causing chaos for the wolves (part of this was a misunderstanding initially of my role, part of it was also to see who would spill the beans on me because that would give a good indication of wolf). IF I was the affiliation I claimed, which I am not, I would have tried to get myself converted then passed on the name of one wolf to my PM partners. They in turn were supposed to pretend that I'd just dropped too much information by accident, which I thought seemed plausible considering how all over the place I've been lately. I knew that by doing this I would be lynched as well, so basically it was supposed to be kamikaze mission whereby I took out myself and another wolf at the same time.

The reason I told my PM partners this was because I figured if I was wolf killed, one of them should be suspected; if my 'affiliation' (villager, not chaos, but they didn't know that when I first told them the plan to kill a wolf) was revealed then it would also mean the person who revealed the information should be looked at with suspicion, because why would a villager try to stop a plan to kill a wolf?

So in summary, think of the Chaos affiliation as a misdirection in order to clear or confirm wolves. I am a villager, and receiver of messages from the dead (which I'm also still trying to work out how I can best use to the villages advantage.
 
Adding to the above: Also another reason I've been off my game when posting in thread, apart from what I told Fireman which is also all true - I've been trying to play several different angles behind the scenes to assist with either finding or killing a wolf. A lot of stuff has been planned in my head, and I haven't always had the mental energy left to post properly in the actual game thread.

Also I'm fairly confident Filly is a villager. I used an item on her last night that would indicate this to be the case.
 
Ceke2002 said:
I am a villager, I am also able to receive messages from the dead.

I told my PM partners that I was chaos, but villager chaos working for the good of the village, which to me meant causing chaos for the wolves (part of this was a misunderstanding initially of my role, part of it was also to see who would spill the beans on me because that would give a good indication of wolf). IF I was the affiliation I claimed, which I am not, I would have tried to get myself converted then passed on the name of one wolf to my PM partners. They in turn were supposed to pretend that I'd just dropped too much information by accident, which I thought seemed plausible considering how all over the place I've been lately. I knew that by doing this I would be lynched as well, so basically it was supposed to be kamikaze mission whereby I took out myself and another wolf at the same time.
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This would get you mod killed in a game I mod and in most others. You don't cheat. End of story,
I want to lynch you just for trying to ruin the game. Say your penance, and move on. We don't need to cheat to win here.
 
Ceke2002 said:
I am a villager, I am also able to receive messages from the dead.

I told my PM partners that I was chaos, but villager chaos working for the good of the village, which to me meant causing chaos for the wolves (part of this was a misunderstanding initially of my role, part of it was also to see who would spill the beans on me because that would give a good indication of wolf). IF I was the affiliation I claimed, which I am not, I would have tried to get myself converted then passed on the name of one wolf to my PM partners. They in turn were supposed to pretend that I'd just dropped too much information by accident, which I thought seemed plausible considering how all over the place I've been lately. I knew that by doing this I would be lynched as well, so basically it was supposed to be kamikaze mission whereby I took out myself and another wolf at the same time.

The reason I told my PM partners this was because I figured if I was wolf killed, one of them should be suspected; if my 'affiliation' (villager, not chaos, but they didn't know that when I first told them the plan to kill a wolf) was revealed then it would also mean the person who revealed the information should be looked at with suspicion, because why would a villager try to stop a plan to kill a wolf?

So in summary, think of the Chaos affiliation as a misdirection in order to clear or confirm wolves. I am a villager, and receiver of messages from the dead (which I'm also still trying to work out how I can best use to the villages advantage.
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You can totally help the village as chaos if you want, but wolves never can. If you were to be converted, you'd be required to backstab (and somehow get me lynched).
 
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Ceke2002 said:
I am a villager, I am also able to receive messages from the dead.

I told my PM partners that I was chaos, but villager chaos working for the good of the village, which to me meant causing chaos for the wolves (part of this was a misunderstanding initially of my role, part of it was also to see who would spill the beans on me because that would give a good indication of wolf). IF I was the affiliation I claimed, which I am not, I would have tried to get myself converted then passed on the name of one wolf to my PM partners. They in turn were supposed to pretend that I'd just dropped too much information by accident, which I thought seemed plausible considering how all over the place I've been lately. I knew that by doing this I would be lynched as well, so basically it was supposed to be kamikaze mission whereby I took out myself and another wolf at the same time.

The reason I told my PM partners this was because I figured if I was wolf killed, one of them should be suspected; if my 'affiliation' (villager, not chaos, but they didn't know that when I first told them the plan to kill a wolf) was revealed then it would also mean the person who revealed the information should be looked at with suspicion, because why would a villager try to stop a plan to kill a wolf?

So in summary, think of the Chaos affiliation as a misdirection in order to clear or confirm wolves. I am a villager, and receiver of messages from the dead (which I'm also still trying to work out how I can best use to the villages advantage.
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Once you are converted, that is now your team, and that is who you want to win. You don't try to get converted so you can take a wolf down for the villagers, that's not how that works. Also, I'm not sure why you thought you were going to be converted in the first place.
 
Ceke2002 said:
I am a villager, I am also able to receive messages from the dead.

I told my PM partners that I was chaos, but villager chaos working for the good of the village, which to me meant causing chaos for the wolves (part of this was a misunderstanding initially of my role, part of it was also to see who would spill the beans on me because that would give a good indication of wolf). IF I was the affiliation I claimed, which I am not, I would have tried to get myself converted then passed on the name of one wolf to my PM partners. They in turn were supposed to pretend that I'd just dropped too much information by accident, which I thought seemed plausible considering how all over the place I've been lately. I knew that by doing this I would be lynched as well, so basically it was supposed to be kamikaze mission whereby I took out myself and another wolf at the same time.

The reason I told my PM partners this was because I figured if I was wolf killed, one of them should be suspected; if my 'affiliation' (villager, not chaos, but they didn't know that when I first told them the plan to kill a wolf) was revealed then it would also mean the person who revealed the information should be looked at with suspicion, because why would a villager try to stop a plan to kill a wolf?

So in summary, think of the Chaos affiliation as a misdirection in order to clear or confirm wolves. I am a villager, and receiver of messages from the dead (which I'm also still trying to work out how I can best use to the villages advantage.
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So you told us you were chaos so that if we thought that was suspicious and brought it up to people on-thread, we should be considered as wolves? In what world does that make any sort of sense? And now that we think you're chaos, you want to back-track and say you're a villager? :bang:
 
genny said:
I don't understand this vote. DocE is the PM partner who called you out, but you vote TRH instead? Is there something she has said behind the scenes that makes you lean more toward her? Because that's how I voted yesterday and I'm ok going there again.
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All I've said is in response to her initial PM about her role. Essentially: I don't know why she think she'd be converted and if it works, great.
 
so @Ceke2002 you're claiming YOU made up the "chaos" thing? That wasn't your given role? You're claiming it was misdirection which I'm assuming has backfire now?

I voted for ceke a few days ago, somewhat to get a vote in and also because she wasn't playing along with the theme of the day, and also in part because I never understand her playing style and it always makes me think she's a wolf or some other baddy.

I still don't like a docE vote. He gives everyone wolf feels. I wasn't sure about the T4C vote, but it's certainly something to look at with docE starting the bandwagon on ceke.

And I'm sorry for my absence, work has been crazy(as some users who are snapchat friends can confirm!), I finally got a day of overtime at a slow station and am able to catch up on this.
 
My DocE vote is because he isn't acting like normal and yes I get he's playing to a role but a villager DocE even when having to post a certain way will still heavily wolf hunt and he's not making any effort this game.
 
Ceke this is super weird, I don't know if I'm missing something obvious but why would you slip a wolf name if you were converted? Why would you think you were going to be converted? This whole thing doesn't add up.
 
today is hectic. skimming comments though, cekes explanation seems like she could be a wolf trying to get villagers on her side.

Lynch ceke
 
Fireman said:
so @Ceke2002 you're claiming YOU made up the "chaos" thing? That wasn't your given role? You're claiming it was misdirection which I'm assuming has backfire now?
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No, Ceke is claiming to be chaos, but chose to assist the village. In fact, she's so dedicated to the village that she wants to be converted and leak the name of a wolf to us.
 
Coopah said:
Ceke this is super weird, I don't know if I'm missing something obvious but why would you slip a wolf name if you were converted? Why would you think you were going to be converted? This whole thing doesn't add up.
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Like I said, initial misunderstanding of my role. I thought it was just the sort of thing a chaos convert working for the village would be able to do, to me it fit with what I thought was my role in the game so I didn't see it as cheating or messing with the game in anyway. When it was reiterated to me that I was in fact village and not chaos working for the village, I opted not to correct my PM partners on that information because I wanted to see what they would do.
 
Fireman said:
so @Ceke2002 you're claiming YOU made up the "chaos" thing? That wasn't your given role? You're claiming it was misdirection which I'm assuming has backfire now?
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It was initially a misunderstanding that was corrected by the mods via PM, I just chose not to correct my PM partners with the new information to see what they would do.
 
Ceke2002 said:
It was initially a misunderstanding that was corrected by the mods via PM, I just chose not to correct my PM partners with the new information to see what they would do.
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so you are or are not chaos?
 
Ceke2002 said:
Like I said, initial misunderstanding of my role. I thought it was just the sort of thing a chaos convert working for the village would be able to do, to me it fit with what I thought was my role in the game so I didn't see it as cheating or messing with the game in anyway. When it was reiterated to me that I was in fact village and not chaos working for the village, I opted not to correct my PM partners on that information because I wanted to see what they would do.
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You're still ignoring how if you were converted you'd be able to slip the name of a wolf to somebody. Is that mentioned in your role?
 
Ceke2002 said:
It was initially a misunderstanding that was corrected by the mods via PM, I just chose not to correct my PM partners with the new information to see what they would do.
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and also if you're waiting to convert to slip us a name, why not give it now, and then you may escape today's lynch? Lots of stuff isn't adding up with you right now. Unfortunately i think it's your playing style and I don't think you're a baddy, but I'm just never sure with you.
 
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