StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

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One thing I note is that when Stagg mentions PSV in this game, it's nearly always alongside someone else.

Stagg737 said:
Given overnight events, going to

Vote Nicholas Tree

Will reassess but feeling pretty comfortable with going here for now.

Vis flip puts AM solidly into village and I feel good about Zenge right now. Dubz is clearly unyeetable phasing wolf, so feel better there too.

Not feeling great about Alley. Want to look into Barks and PSV more.

Would like to hear much more (game relevant stuff) from Nate, Clem, and Lucy.
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Stagg737 said:
A comment to add to this since I'll inevitably forget:

Regardless of Nate's flip, I do want to look back more at Lawpy as he was the only person who was on both the Lucy and Stagg counterwagons D1. Lawpy was the second person on the Lucy wagon after PSV (order was PSV, Lawpy, Santy, Alley, Miranda) and stayed on until Santy and Miranda jumped off. He followed Santy onto Stoat and later followed Santy onto me and stayed there until vote close.

There were some weird shenanigans between him leaving Lucy and getting onto me which included voting Mighty at one point, but eventually jumped off that to vote for Stoat again and then me. Idk what that was about, but I could see this being a confused wolf pack wafflefest, so will eventually need re-evaluation.
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Stagg737 said:
I'm not going to do a Barks VCA in the next 15 minutes, but general impression on Barks based on iso is neutral to mild wolf leans. Has been making some pushes which haven't been successful, but does appear to have some decent reasoning behind those pushes. I don't think I see a Barks/PSV pack, as it would basically involve Barks pushing PSV without any notable PSV retaliation. Barks/Alley is imo unlikely, but I think Barks is a smart enough player in general to do it and from what I can remember Alley is also pretty solid. However, given Samac being village, if we trust what Dubz is saying then I think they're an extremely unlikely pack.

On iso there's A LOT of Barks/Lawpy interactions and it almost felt like the kind of convo I'd have in a mason PM. However, Lawpy seems to be pushing Barks more now and did vote for her at one point. Not sure if this is an unpairing attempt with Barks taking more heat or what. But I'd like others' thoughts on this potential pairing.
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Stagg737 said:
Why do we need to wait until PSV flips for you to suggest who would be in her pack?
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Stagg737 said:
I'm good with Alley, PSV, or Miranda based on VCA. I'd also be fine with Lawpy based on VCA, because even though I haven't technically done it yet he's the only person left who was on both Lucy and my counterwagons D1 when there were 2 wolves as the main wagons.
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Stagg737 said:
Why not PSV. Absolutely could be paired with Miranda. Same goes for Barks, she's just further down the POE. Also Genny, because we need to talk about Genny.

Since you're looking at unpartnering though, if I'm a wolf then who would my partner be? Because I feel like right now the most likely pairing is Miranda/Lawpy.
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There are some others I left out contained within larger posts (e.g., vote analysis or the large Barky ISOs). In this sense PSV is sort of being maneuvered within conversations as a piece of an argument rather than a standalone player that needs resolved. I'll need to determine if there are posts contrary to this trend that don't come up in a name search.
 
Stagg737 said:
I'm good with Alley, PSV, or Miranda based on VCA. I'd also be fine with Lawpy based on VCA, because even though I haven't technically done it yet he's the only person left who was on both Lucy and my counterwagons D1 when there were 2 wolves as the main wagons.
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Also, this is a pretty classic example of a "player salad", and I am annoyed to not have noticed prior. It's an old tell that has come and gone on The Syndicate, but perhaps it's still alive here until exactly right now when I explain its existence.

I'm okay with voting out X, Y, Z, or maaaaaybe W is the prototypical form of the tell. It isn't uncommon for mafia to include teammates in these things, so that's something I will consider for PSV, miranda, and Lawpy.
 
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PSV seemed to be anti-Stagg early in the game, turned that around later, and then returned to that suspicion yesterday. While that may be uneven, it'd have to represent more concrete bussing than Stagg --> PSV would represent in the reverse direction if they're teammates.
 
SAR's read on Stagg progressed somewhat similarly to PSV's -- early suspicion followed by town credit, with a return to suspicion last day phase. Stagg's read on SAR was pretty consistently in the village direction, which concerns me less than the PSV version in which Stagg tacked her onto other players so frequently.
 
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Lawpy said:
Who do you think is the wolfiest? Or basically, who do you think has reasons for being wolfy that outweigh the reasons for not being wolfy?
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My gut says Barky... that's who I feel the strongest about. Since pretty early on something has seemed off
But I have trouble getting my mind around the use of her abilities. Why would a wolf protect samac? Maybe because the pack was in danger it would seemingly keep village off her tail? That seems like reaching though.
 
But that claim has been the ONLY thing that has me doubting... otherwise Barks hasn't voted for a single wolf this entire game
 
I'll go ahead and try this trust fall thing per JJJ suggestion

Barks - probably the player I feel the worst about. The claim of protecting samac is the only thing that makes me doubt myself. I'd be surprised if Barks flipped village.

Lawpy - I think lawpy has generally done a lot to give opinions and analyze. Like myself, I was getting frustrated when pushed by Santy so I can empathize with them right now. Also the movement of votes to throw off mighty on D1 really feel v!lawpy. Less likely to be wolf because of this, but I'm concerned. I tried to make nice with Lawpy by sending some walnuts and they've yet to engage with me.

JJJ - Similar to lawpy, JJJ has done a great job of analyzing, giving opinions, and solid reads. I have no reason to really doubt them, but it's in the back of my mind.

PSV - SAR brought up a great point about PSV creating the tie on D1 between vis/mighty. I think this is the only piece that keeps me from leaning wolf as that IS a risky move and it doesn't seem likely that w!PSV would do that

SAR - It hasn't escaped my mind that SAR could be really deep wolfing here, but I really don't think that is the case. SAR was going to yeet me, but made the tie with Stagg. I don't see w!SAR bussing a packmate like that in late game.
 
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Sorry guys, Mondays are long and I promised my coworkers to bring a gender reveal cake tomorrow so my whole evening has been cakeing and then my buttercream I made yesterday tried to separate so I'm paddling it into submission.

I still intend to finish my Barks iso but I think the vote being either PSV or Barks today is probably the best case scenario given the reevaluating I've done in the past day cycle.

Lawp and Stagg's interactions really make me feel village. I don't see a world in which it's JJJ or Miranda. So while Barks is currently my top, PSV would be my next day elimination.
 
HRH Queeb SAR said:
Sorry guys, Mondays are long and I promised my coworkers to bring a gender reveal cake tomorrow so my whole evening has been cakeing and then my buttercream I made yesterday tried to separate so I'm paddling it into submission.
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you're making your own gender reveal cake?!
 
Okay, well, I didn't kill anyone because I was blocked last night.
No one is claiming that. If it's a villager I'm guessing they don't want to be killed, but gut tells me you aren't a villager.
 
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However, there were flavor differences between what happened to me last night and what happened when Barks jailed me and that's puzzling me (or barks blocked me and I was jailed last night...??? I don't remember what was claimed).
 
potentialsheltervet said:
However, there were flavor differences between what happened to me last night and what happened when Barks jailed me and that's puzzling me (or barks blocked me and I was jailed last night...??? I don't remember what was claimed).
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uh interesting I thought Barks only had 1x jail, 1x protect, 1x block...
 
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