StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

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Why would she do that.
Why would a noob wolf specifically do that.
Why would ANY PLAYER kill someone vouching for them in MYLO/LyLo/nylon or whatever this is
To mess with us? It’s possible she was coached and trained by vissy and staggs on how to mess with villagers in unusual plays and benefitted from the misdirections that led to santy, nates, alleys and now barky being misyeeted.

It’s strange but i see this more credible than Jays suddenly bussing his pack right off the bat and wanting to wolf alone.

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To mess with us? It’s possible she was coached and trained by vissy and staggs on how to mess with villagers in unusual plays and benefitted from the misdirections that led to santy, nates, alleys and now barky being misyeeted.

It’s strange but i see this more credible than Jays suddenly bussing his pack right off the bat and wanting to wolf alone.
He wasn't wolfing alone, though. They probably weren't anticipating the vig shot, nor Stagg getting yoten.
 
He wasn't wolfing alone, though. They probably weren't anticipating the vig shot, nor Stagg getting yoten.
No, vissy was doomed regardless of the vigshot. There’s no way she’s making it past D2.

Staggs was endangered in D1 when Nates and Santy voted there + samacs, WZ and me thinking about voting him + my going after him when D1 ended and initiating the deepwolfing theory

So a wolf!Jays would know early on that his pack was a liability and acted on it immediately

Vissy responded abrasively to Jays questioning of Staggs that just looks like the pack was unusually self destructive from the start if this is wolf!Jays
 
He wasn't wolfing alone, though. They probably weren't anticipating the vig shot, nor Stagg getting yoten.
I yate Stagg. I tied his vote when miranda led, who I had called to eliminate the previous day. I didn’t “anticipate” it. I did it. How does reconcile?
 
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I yate Stagg. I tied his vote when miranda led, who I had called to eliminate the previous day. I didn’t “anticipate” it. I did it. How does reconcile?
Yate
All I can say is, I think your pack was cursed from the beginning. I cannot say why any of you did the things you did. Vis and Stagg's interactions don't make sense. Vis declaring herself and alley as easy reads doesn't make sense. mighty bussing Stagg and then hesitating to move doesn't make sense.
None of it makes sense.
 
scared mean girls GIF
 
No joke but a wolf!Jays here would effectively be having a much more antagonistic wolfing style than DocE. Which is alarming in itself
I disagree with this interpretation. I don't know DocE, but JJJ hasn't been hurtful in any way. He hasn't been personal. He hasn't attacked anyone. Like it or not, deepwolfing is a way of playing the game.
Again, even if I'm right I want to make it clear he hasn't harmed anyone with his playstyle.
 
Yate
All I can say is, I think your pack was cursed from the beginning. I cannot say why any of you did the things you did. Vis and Stagg's interactions don't make sense. Vis declaring herself and alley as easy reads doesn't make sense. mighty bussing Stagg and then hesitating to move doesn't make sense.
None of it makes sense.
The wolfpack was cursed yes but it’s far more reasonable that you or mirandas are the last wolf in this pack than Jays. Because you were in similar bad situations before in Bowling and Literary Fiction and had to bus. And wolf!mirandas had to rely on misdirections and pocketing to protect her
 
The wolfpack was cursed yes but it’s far more reasonable that you or mirandas are the last wolf in this pack than Jays. Because you were in similar bad situations before in Bowling and Literary Fiction and had to bus. And wolf!mirandas had to rely on misdirections and pocketing to protect her
I'll say it again, I know it's not me. I'm not going to entertain that idea because I know it's wrong.
It would just be completely silly to kill a supporter in F4. Doesn't mean she didn't do it but it would be goofy. That's moreso affecting my decision than her PMing everyone although I do think that's quite bold for a noob wolf to do.
 
I disagree with this interpretation. I don't know DocE, but JJJ hasn't been hurtful in any way. He hasn't been personal. He hasn't attacked anyone. Like it or not, deepwolfing is a way of playing the game.
Again, even if I'm right I want to make it clear he hasn't harmed anyone with his playstyle.
You’re misunderstanding what i mean by antagonism. I’m not talking rudeness. I’m talking how self destructive the wolfpack was that wolf!Jays can’t trust his pack and had to power through by himself.

DocE is a WW veteran who played for champs several years ago and who’s known for brutal, antagonistic deepwolfing because he believes he can power through by himself when he senses any liability in his pack. That’s why back in the Skiing game in 2019, when DocE was converted, he immediately planned to bus his packmate Dina to the ground and fought hard. Dina wasn’t pleased and countered that and DocE got yeeted soon after.
 
You’re misunderstanding what i mean by antagonism. I’m not talking rudeness. I’m talking how self destructive the wolfpack was that wolf!Jays can’t trust his pack and had to power through by himself.

DocE is a WW veteran who played for champs several years ago and who’s known for brutal, antagonistic deepwolfing because he believes he can power through by himself when he senses any liability in his pack. That’s why back in the Skiing game in 2019, when DocE was converted, he immediately planned to bus his packmate Dina to the ground and fought hard. Dina wasn’t pleased and countered that and DocE got yeeted soon after.
I see.
I still believe he's the last wolf.
 
For reference:

 
I see.
I still believe he's the last wolf.
I still think it’s you

I'll say it again, I know it's not me. I'm not going to entertain that idea because I know it's wrong.
It would just be completely silly to kill a supporter in F4. Doesn't mean she didn't do it but it would be goofy. That's moreso affecting my decision than her PMing everyone although I do think that's quite bold for a noob wolf to do.
I don’t know what’s clearing you besides mechanics that aren’t really clearing anyways. You could’ve made that up to avoid suspicion. You acted on two villagers who are now dead and can’t confirm, then acted on Jays but said you were blocked. What if blocking was something you made up to try to frame Jays?

The Trouts comparison you mentioned earlier is interesting because you were a wolf in that game and was spared from the tie death and got lucky when Trouts was blindly tunneling WZ. Here if anything, the Trouts comparison would be barky who got misyeeted and you’re a wolf trying to take advantage of the opportunity that barky set up
 
I still think it’s you


I don’t know what’s clearing you besides mechanics that aren’t really clearing anyways. You could’ve made that up to avoid suspicion. You acted on two villagers who are now dead and can’t confirm, then acted on Jays but said you were blocked. What if blocking was something you made up to try to frame Jays?

The Trouts comparison you mentioned earlier is interesting because you were a wolf in that game and was spared from the tie death and got lucky when Trouts was blindly tunneling WZ. Here if anything, the Trouts comparison would be barky who got misyeeted and you’re a wolf trying to take advantage of the opportunity that barky set up
You're wrong. You can't know that, but you're wrong.
 
My concern: if PSV is mafia, then she entered this phase in a very difficult position. The only way out, in the eyes of the mafioso, would be do something big. And popping out with this case against me, built largely on mechanics, fits that description.

To suspect me is one thing. It’s LyLo. To have this whole case, dump it, and “be fine with the vote” is something else.
 
That’s the thing. We need more than your word. You have mechanics that aren’t confirmed on your side so i’m not sure what i should look for to reeval that you’re village
I just dropped my Stagg progression. That'd be deepwolfing that I've never done before.
I feel like you aren't even trying to hear me out because you've decided JJJ is irrevocably village and you're immutable on that point. I think that's why you're still alive, frankly.
No offense, Lawpy, but if I were a wolf you'd be long dead. You've been sussing me on and off for a while.
 
Yeet Stagg

Hmm
Unyeet Stagg
That you later unyeeted when the discussion was shifting away from Staggs and that my theory could be wrong

@Lawpy's theory from earlier about mighty being told to bus Stagg makes sense UNTIL mighty then moves to stoat a few minutes later and hesitates to move back to Stagg. If the point was to give Stagg a reason to self prez on him later and to give him some clearance from the crossvote, why the heck would mighty move at all?

It again to me looks like a wolf jumping on a misyeet opportunity because there were 2 villagers voting there and another 2 saying they'd consider it, and then hopping on the next available one when there was less support than expected.

Also this



Again doesn't strike me as something a wolf would push for? Like, you very much don't want to clear Zenge and AM d1, you want to avoid that as long as possible.

sifts through my own posts

Conclusion: Jay and SAR still village. I think Lawpy is fine and feel better about Barks. Stagg and PSV are possible but seem unlikely for stated reasons.

So I am left with alley, Miranda, and a mystery genny because I guess I need to reread her posts separately lol

And I'm done with rereading at least for now, got other things to do
 
That you later unyeeted when the discussion was shifting away from Staggs and that my theory could be wrong
And you weren't on Stagg at the final tally at all 🤷
No one has seered me. Barks blocked me when there were two kills and I couldn't watch JJJ N5. I'm trying to show you what measly proof I have that I'm village. Whether you choose to believe me is up to you, I guess, but can you please, please, PLEASE at least be 1% open to the idea that JJJ might not be village?
 
Fine. If you won't listen to me, can you listen to this?
Yeet PSV

Even though my gut says JJJ but I’ll be at work until close so it’s also a bit of self prez

Well in case I get yeeted while at work since Miranda says she plans to and I’m sure PSV will self prez, can you guys at least promise to actually reconsider everyone tomorrow?

I’m still a JOAT. I haven’t read enough to figure out why on earth anyone would think I’m a tinkerer. Maybe reevaluate more tomorrow as I’ve been saying forever?
 
And you weren't on Stagg at the final tally at all 🤷
No one has seered me. Barks blocked me when there were two kills and I couldn't watch JJJ N5. I'm trying to show you what measly proof I have that I'm village. Whether you choose to believe me is up to you, I guess, but can you please, please, PLEASE at least be 1% open to the idea that JJJ might not be village?
Yes pls but that was because alleys was facing the problem of mechanics. The difference however was samacs at least confirmed that, but i was looking for something, anything, beyond mechanics to village read alleys. And i found none. A mistake yes, which is why i’m trying to get you to show me why i’m wrong and making the same mistake like i did with alleys.

Barky blocked you in a night with 2 kills sure… but what if you weren’t the one who did the kills?

You claim to be blocked in N5 but i saw no instances of anyone else who was blocked. What did I miss?

There are 2 things that are ruling out a wolf!Jays

1. Vissy’s abrasive attacks on Jays. There really was no reason for that if they’re packmates

2. Jays’s vote on mighty >7 hours before D1 close in a 2-3-2 lead with original reasoning. If Staggs vote on vissy >3.5 hours before D1 close and with vissy and mighty suspicions consolidated was deepwolfing, Jays vote is in a different dimension

Maybe the wolfpack was anti-Jays that forced Jays to act individually. But it’s so speculative and assuming of a self destructive wolfpack from the start that it just doesn’t make sense

Maybe it is wolf!Jays and he’s pocketing me because i like his interaction analyses. But the bussing dynamics just aren’t making sense and i don’t know why i’d prioritize that when you have bussed before in Bowling and Literary Fiction when you were in a bad spot.
 
I just dropped my Stagg progression. That'd be deepwolfing that I've never done before.
I feel like you aren't even trying to hear me out because you've decided JJJ is irrevocably village and you're immutable on that point. I think that's why you're still alive, frankly.
No offense, Lawpy, but if I were a wolf you'd be long dead. You've been sussing me on and off for a while.
And i wanted to die. But i resigned myself to believing that anytime i play or sub, i’ll be dragged all the way to endgame.

I’m aware Jays could be pocketing me but that forces me to consider that Jays was bussing harder than Staggs. Which doesn’t make sense
 
Like the problem with night kill analysis is there’s a tendency to assume wolf kills are done rationally. The Clems kill made no sense to me for instance
They're both from the Syndicate. You think there was no chance Clem would think JJJ was wolfing before the rest of us?
Is it unreasonable that a wolf!mirandas killed SAR simply because SAR revealed she had a PR?
Yes.
 
Like I'm not saying it isn't surprising or coming out of left field. It is. That's what makes it a good move.
This doubt that you're feeling, this confusion, this unwillingness to believe JJJ is anything but town is exactly the reason he's behaved as he has.
Did you play WWatch?
 
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